Revis Island -- no longer deserted (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

Sal Palantonio on ESPN:Jets and Revis headed for "a long, messy and disruptive contract holdout."The final long term offer the Jets made to Revis included NO fully guaranteed money. The 11th-hour short term offer was called "laughable" by those in the Revis camp. Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum offered to meet with Revis personally, and he was turned down. Revis will not show up to camp without a contract.This could get ugly.UPDATE:

NEW YORK -- Darrelle Revis and the New York Jets have agreed to a new contract, ending the All-Pro cornerback's holdout a week before the team's season opener.The team announced the agreement in principle early Monday morning, but released no contract terms.Revis' holdout began Aug. 1, when the team reported for training camp in Cortland. He was scheduled to make $1 million in the fourth year of his six-year rookie deal, but has said he wants to become the league's highest-paid cornerback.The Daily News reported Sunday night that coach Rex Ryan flew to Revis' home in South Florida over the weekend to try to help get a deal done.The Jets open their season next Monday night at home against Baltimore.

 

[pollardsvision]

Good for Revis. NFL players should do what they can whenever they feel like they need to get paid.

Unfortunately for him, though, I don't see how he'll get what he wants here. As good as he is and as much as he deserves to make more, I don't see how he has any leverage here (and there's no way in hell he's getting more than Nnamdi's crazy contract).

 

[=Smackdown=]

Maybe the Jets should keep bringing in and paying aging has-beens in an effort to sell PSL's instead of taking care of their star player first?

 

[=Smackdown=]

Good for Revis. NFL players should do what they can whenever they feel like they need to get paid.Unfortunately for him, though, I don't see how he'll get what he wants here. As good as he is and as much as he deserves to make more, I don't see how he has any leverage here (and there's no way in hell he's getting more than Nnamdi's crazy contract).

During their short careers NFL players only get to hold the hammer a few times.Revis currently holds that hammer - and he knows it - and it's a big hammer at that. He has ALL the leverage - their D relies heavily on him.

 

[pollardsvision]

Good for Revis. NFL players should do what they can whenever they feel like they need to get paid.Unfortunately for him, though, I don't see how he'll get what he wants here. As good as he is and as much as he deserves to make more, I don't see how he has any leverage here (and there's no way in hell he's getting more than Nnamdi's crazy contract).

During their short careers NFL players only get to hold the hammer a few times.Revis currently holds that hammer - and he knows it - and it's a big hammer at that. He has ALL the leverage - their D relies heavily on him.

Sure, he has about as much leverage as an NFL player with 3 years left on a contract can possibly have.Still, he's an NFL player with 3 years left on his contract. I don't think that amounts to very much leverage.The options for the Jets aren't exciting, but Revis' options are worse.He can either play while underpaid or not play, not get paid, get fined, lose a year, etc. If the Jets don't want to give him more, he has 2 options, one of which is horrible.Unlike Revis, the Jets will make money and play football whether Revis suits up or not.I don't think it's right, but that seems to be the way things go in the NFL. The best franchises don't get that way by paying players what they're worth.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Maybe the Jets should keep bringing in and paying aging has-beens in an effort to sell PSL's instead of taking care of their star player first?

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Good for Revis. NFL players should do what they can whenever they feel like they need to get paid.Unfortunately for him, though, I don't see how he'll get what he wants here. As good as he is and as much as he deserves to make more, I don't see how he has any leverage here (and there's no way in hell he's getting more than Nnamdi's crazy contract).

During their short careers NFL players only get to hold the hammer a few times.Revis currently holds that hammer - and he knows it - and it's a big hammer at that. He has ALL the leverage - their D relies heavily on him.

Sure, he has about as much leverage as an NFL player with 3 years left on a contract can possibly have.Still, he's an NFL player with 3 years left on his contract. I don't think that amounts to very much leverage.

It seems that it's SOP for players to complain about their contracts this year. Feel is a poor choice of words regarding contracts because there's always a new one and players cannot beeotch about their deal every other month.

 

[nysportsfan]

Maybe the Jets should keep bringing in and paying aging has-beens in an effort to sell PSL's instead of taking care of their star player first?

Cromartie and Holmes are has-beens?

 

[Sabertooth]

So Revis gave up 20m in guarantees? Not too bright, that could be a big snag in ongoing negotiations. He needs that money + more money now to "win" which is the all important thing here.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Maybe the Jets should keep bringing in and paying aging has-beens in an effort to sell PSL's instead of taking care of their star player first?

Cromartie and Holmes are has-beens?

Maybe not.But an argument could be made that LT, JT and Brunell are.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Obviously a huge story, but all will be forgotten soon. We've been through this before: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=2976504

A marathon Tuesday night session that included intense negotiations, and a little noshing, finally concluded in a Wednesday evening agreement between the New York Jets and first-round draft choice Darrelle Revis.

The University of Pittsburgh cornerback, who was the 14th player chosen overall in April, missed 21 days of training camp and 23 practice sessions. The Jets had hoped to have the deal completed in time for their Wednesday afternoon practice, but fell short of that goal.

According to ESPN.com's John Clayton, Revis' contract with the Jets is believed to be a six-year deal for approximately $36 million.

"It was tough," Revis said Wednesday night. "Basically being a competitor and being the type of football player that I am, I didn't want to sit there and see my teammates playing. I was frustrated for a while, but I just looked at the positive side of it and let my agents handle it."

Jets management was pleased to have their No. 1 pick in the fold.

"We're glad it's over," Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum said Wednesday night.

Not since linebacker James Farrior in 1997 had the Jets had an unsigned draft pick going into training camp. Revis' holdout is the longest for the franchise since wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, the top overall selection in the 1996 draft, missed 24 days while his first NFL contract was being hammered out.

The agreement means that just one player, first overall selection JaMarcus Russell, remains unsigned. The former LSU quarterback is not believed to be close to an agreement with the Oakland Raiders.

Stalled over the length of the contract, with the Jets holding firm to a six-year proposal and Revis and agents Neil Schwartz and Jonathan Feinsod preferring a five-year term, the two sides began substantive discussions last Friday. That led to day-long bargaining which began Tuesday morning and stretched into the wee hours of Wednesday.

Much of Wednesday was then spent fine-tuning the contract and reviewing it.

At one point Tuesday, as they neared a breakthrough on some key issues, the parties sent for take-out dinner from a local restaurant so that they could continue negotiations on full stomachs. Coach Eric Mangini spent part of the evening visiting with Revis' mother, who flew in from her home near Pittsburgh to help hasten the bargaining process.

The two camps issued a joint statement on Tuesday evening, acknowledging that a deal was close, but that it remained a complicated arrangement. Discussions broke after midnight on Wednesday, then resumed a few hours later.

Tannenbaum suggested the complexity of the contract document, which was 47 pages, demanded close review from all parties involved.

"I think it's a fair contract," Schwartz said. "I think it's good for both sides. We expect Darrelle to be here for a number of years, and we're glad that the contract's behind us and we're looking forward to seeing him out on the field."

Schwartz echoed Tannenbaum's sentiments.

"All the John Hancocks are going to be on the contract, so it's definitely a win-win," Schwartz said.

Revis was the first cornerback chosen in the draft and was expected to compete seriously for a starting job as a rookie, probably on the right side. How much his prolonged absence from training camp will affect his chances to land a starting spot, as he competes with veterans Andre Dyson, David Barrett and Justin Miller remains to be seen.

"I'm still learning," said Revis, wearing a gray Jets T-shirt. "I'm still young. I'm still a rookie. I'm not a veteran in this game. I've still got a lot of work to do. I'm going to keep on working hard and doing what the coaches tell me to do."

Tannenbaum said Revis had already received his playbook from coach Eric Mangini and would participate in the team's walkthrough Friday. It was uncertain if Revis would play in the Jets' game against Minnesota on Friday night.

"He'll play when Eric feels he's ready," Tannenbaum said.

In 35 games at Pitt, including 34 starts, Revis, 22, developed into one of the country's best coverage cornerbacks. He registered 129 tackles, 5½ tackles for loss, eight interceptions, 25 passes defensed, one forced fumble and two recoveries. Revis also averaged 10.3 yards on 54 punt returns and scored twice on runbacks.

He is regarded as having prototype size (5-feet-11½, 204 pounds) and top-end speed (4.38 seconds in the 40), and is blessed with superb overall athleticism. The nephew of former NFL defensive tackle Sean Gilbert, Revis is an instinctive player who has great body control and explosive burst to the ball.

Revis wants his money. He deserves it. But eventually, he's going to sign for whatever he can get. Meanwhile, the Jets are in a Super Bowl window. They have the opportunity to become one of the most popular teams in the league with the new stadium, Hard Knocks, 2014 Super Bowl, etc. All of that means nothing if the team stinks. Both sides will want to get this done.

 

[nysportsfan]

Maybe the Jets should keep bringing in and paying aging has-beens in an effort to sell PSL's instead of taking care of their star player first?

Cromartie and Holmes are has-beens?

Maybe not.But an argument could be made that LT, JT and Brunell are.

Almost every team brings in aging veterans. The important thing is that the Jets made some key acquisitions with young, solid talent.

 

[Reaper]

Maybe the Jets should keep bringing in and paying aging has-beens in an effort to sell PSL's instead of taking care of their star player first?

They didn't pay Anyone big money to come over as a FA. Come on, those small $$$ FA deals have exactly ZERO effect on the Revis deal. ZERO....The Revis camp is looking at the Asomongu contract but as I've read he only gets that top dollar for 1 season so, the Revis camp is kinda playing games here... Also Revis is under contract for the next 3 seasons so, again this is a little whacky... Not as simple as paying him $1.00 more than that deal cuz that deal is out of sync.....IMO, players need to understand the salary cap and what it means to be a team player - look no further than Lebron and co - They took less money to play on a good team - You want to set a new salary record, then go to Oakland.But, in the long run, the Jets have a top Rookie CB and Cromartie who can use the extra work right now and Revis who needs to stay healthy for game 1.Can't say I'm concerned yet...

 

[Reaper]

Maybe the Jets should keep bringing in and paying aging has-beens in an effort to sell PSL's instead of taking care of their star player first?

Cromartie and Holmes are has-beens?

No. And they also didn't "Get Paid" either- both guys are cheap, looking for new deals and are very possibly Very Talented "Hold the Fort" guys as Parcells says...

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm on record as not being a huge fan of Sal Pal's "journalistic style" , ahem, and his pull quote this time seems par for the course to me over overstating something in grandiose fashion simply to stand out from the litany of people who simply reported that Revis was holding out.

In almost all of these cases, the player shows up when the games matter. And Revis happens to play a position where he can reasonably be asked to step right back into the mix and perform at a high level since he's generally asked to just be himself and blanket a guy. This isn't a kid who has money stockpiled, and if there's a lockout next year then what's he going to do?

The idea that most players have the resolve to really miss out on years of salary just doesn't hold water for me. I don't know Revis' financial situation, but I would be SHOCKED if he's socked enough money away that he wouldn't feel the pinch of not getting his game checks in 2010.

I've already started to see some stuff floating around about how this is a "new era" of players and the Vincent Jackson/Marcus McNeill situations as being in evidence of that. Yet as we all should know, their situations are completely different. Neither of those guys is under contract, having not signed their RFA tenders. And A.J. Smith called their bluff by reducing their tenders. My point being, sitting out a grueling NFL season and losing $500K hurts, but it's a LOT different than passing up millions.

Revis will play for the Jets when games matter IMHO. This is just early August news cycle drama.

 

[TLEF316]

Asking the jets to top a contract from senile Al davis is absurd. Offering revis an extension with no guaranteed money is equally absurd.

If revis wants to be on a winning team, he'll sign for around 14 mil per and leave some money for mangold and harris.

The idea that the jets are disrespectiing him by bringing in "high priced has beens" is just stupid, but I expect no less from this board's biggest jet hater

 

[=Smackdown=]

The idea that the jets are disrespectiing him by bringing in "high priced has beens" is just stupid, but I expect no less from this board's biggest jet hater

I'm honored.Didn't say they were disresepcting him. Just said that they should have locked up their star player first before spending any money on the AARP guys they brought in for the PSL fundraiser.He's the best CB in the league.His coach falls all over himself to praise the guy.Guess what? You opened your fat mouth - now pay the man what he's worth.And the idea that Revis should take a home town discount for the benefit of the team is laughable IMO.

 

[Ilov80s]

Schefter is reporting that this holdout has cost him $20 million of guaranteed money he had coming for 2011-2012.

 

[TLEF316]

The idea that the jets are disrespectiing him by bringing in "high priced has beens" is just stupid, but I expect no less from this board's biggest jet hater

I'm honored.Didn't say they were disresepcting him. Just said that they should have locked up their star player first before spending any money on the AARP guys they brought in for the PSL fundraiser.He's the best CB in the league.His coach falls all over himself to praise the guy.Guess what? You opened your fat mouth - now pay the man what he's worth.And the idea that Revis should take a home town discount for the benefit of the team is laughable IMO.

Its not a home town discount. The asomougha deal is unreasonable and will never be matched under the current salary rules. Revis should be paid more than any db in the league if you disregard that contract. I think assante samuel is the next highest paid. His contract should be the starting point for negotiations.

 

[Hedgehog]

Love Revis but where is his leverage?

He has 3 years left on his deal...now the last 2 years are not guaranteed as a result of his holdout....Jets are hamstrung by a bunch of NFL rules on guarantees in an uncapped year as well as underwhelming PSL sales. I think I read if he doesnt repot by 8/10 he risks losing a year torward FA....but either way how could he hold out for a year with a lockout coming? Hope he saved a bunch of dough to not get paid for 1.5-2 years. Is he going to waste 2 years in his prime? I seriously doubt it. He'll be back soon and the JEts will give him something to save face.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The idea that the jets are disrespectiing him by bringing in "high priced has beens" is just stupid, but I expect no less from this board's biggest jet hater

I'm honored.Didn't say they were disresepcting him. Just said that they should have locked up their star player first before spending any money on the AARP guys they brought in for the PSL fundraiser.He's the best CB in the league.His coach falls all over himself to praise the guy.Guess what? You opened your fat mouth - now pay the man what he's worth.And the idea that Revis should take a home town discount for the benefit of the team is laughable IMO.

Its not a home town discount. The asomougha deal is unreasonable and will never be matched under the current salary rules. Revis should be paid more than any db in the league if you disregard that contract. I think assante samuel is the next highest paid. His contract should be the starting point for negotiations.

I think Revis and his agent could make a good argument that he should paid like a premier QB or LT. And easily the highest paid defensive player. He's 25 years old. And I don't blame him for trying to get everything he wants. I do think the Jets will give in soon, though, and pony up as much as they realistically can.

 

[Sabertooth]

If he's worth that much, what is Charles Woodson, the superior football player worth?

 

[Reaper]

Love Revis but where is his leverage?

He has 3 years left on his deal...now the last 2 years are not guaranteed as a result of his holdout....Jets are hamstrung by a bunch of NFL rules on guarantees in an uncapped year as well as underwhelming PSL sales. I think I read if he doesnt repot by 8/10 he risks losing a year torward FA....but either way how could he hold out for a year with a lockout coming? Hope he saved a bunch of dough to not get paid for 1.5-2 years. Is he going to waste 2 years in his prime? I seriously doubt it. He'll be back soon and the JEts will give him something to save face.

I'll go a step further and I've seen Woody in interviews stress this - The PSL's have absolutely nothing to do with Player contracts - Not in NY at least.... Maybe in a smaller market.

You don't run a successful Football Team based on anything other than fitting the best possible players into a SALARY CAP situation...... "The Problem" if you want to call it that is that the Jets have had some great drafts in a row and need to set their Cap numbers up for the long haul in a prudent manner.... That's ALL it has to do with... How much can they pay Revis and still have money to field what they think is a long term SB contending team - At some point, Contract demands can get beyond that number and you move on, simple as that.....

Woody understands that and has stated that he has different people working on each issue and they don't compare notes - it's 2 seperate events and books. Besides, the Jets set a market for PSLs at a high price like any of us would do and have now lowered that price and are much closer to selling out... The market is there, the season ticket list has been 15+ years strong - they just needed to find the right price point to sell them.

Besides - Bottom Line, You sell PSL's and tickets by winning. Guys like Jason Taylor don't sell many tickets at this stage of the game.

 

[Chase Stuart]

If he's worth that much, what is Charles Woodson, the superior football player worth?

Not only is Woodson not a superior football player, but he's turning 34 this season. Will be moved to FS soon.

 

[Instinctive]

If he's worth that much, what is Charles Woodson, the superior football player worth?

Look, Woodson's good and all, but he's not on Revis' planet of production. Revis and Nnamdi are incredible. Like the Peyton and Brees of CBs.ETA: Woodson is like the Brett Favre or Matt Hasselbeck. He's productive, but he's not that great, and he's in a great place to support his production. Could be done very very soon.

 

[Sabertooth]

If he's worth that much, what is Charles Woodson, the superior football player worth?

Look, Woodson's good and all, but he's not on Revis' planet of production. Revis and Nnamdi are incredible. Like the Peyton and Brees of CBs.ETA: Woodson is like the Brett Favre or Matt Hasselbeck. He's productive, but he's not that great, and he's in a great place to support his production. Could be done very very soon.

Ok, then why was Woodson given the defensive MVP last season and not the superalmighty Revis? Certainly not because he plays in a bigger market or because his team went further into the playoffs.

 

[Ghost Rider]

If he's worth that much, what is Charles Woodson, the superior football player worth?

Look, Woodson's good and all, but he's not on Revis' planet of production. Revis and Nnamdi are incredible. Like the Peyton and Brees of CBs.ETA: Woodson is like the Brett Favre or Matt Hasselbeck. He's productive, but he's not that great, and he's in a great place to support his production. Could be done very very soon.

Ok, then why was Woodson given the defensive MVP last season and not the superalmighty Revis? Certainly not because he plays in a bigger market or because his team went further into the playoffs.

I suppose this is where Revis supporters say that he was robbed of that award last year, and that Woodson is likely to decline given his age, but right now, given what happened last year, Revis and Woodson are relative equals.

 

[Winky the tunnel ferret]

The final long term offer the Jets made to Revis included NO fully guaranteed money.

Ridiculous.

 

[Jason Wood]

I know there are reports that the Jets offered Revis no guaranteed money, but I really have to wonder if that's a case of the details getting lost in translation. I could see if their new offer had no ADDITIONAL guaranteed money [which in and of itself would be a ridiculous proposal to make] but the idea that the Jets would take guarantees off the table would be impossible to understand.

 

[Winky the tunnel ferret]

I know there are reports that the Jets offered Revis no guaranteed money, but I really have to wonder if that's a case of the details getting lost in translation. I could see if their new offer had no ADDITIONAL guaranteed money [which in and of itself would be a ridiculous proposal to make] but the idea that the Jets would take guarantees off the table would be impossible to understand.

 

[Sweet Love]

Maybe the Jets should keep bringing in and paying aging has-beens in an effort to sell PSL's instead of taking care of their star player first?

They didn't pay Anyone big money to come over as a FA.

Come on, those small $$$ FA deals have exactly ZERO effect on the Revis deal. ZERO....

The Revis camp is looking at the Asomongu contract but as I've read he only gets that top dollar for 1 season so, the Revis camp is kinda playing games here... Also Revis is under contract for the next 3 seasons so, again this is a little whacky... Not as simple as paying him $1.00 more than that deal cuz that deal is out of sync.....

IMO, players need to understand the salary cap and what it means to be a team player - look no further than Lebron and co - They took less money to play on a good team - You want to set a new salary record, then go to Oakland.

But, in the long run, the Jets have a top Rookie CB and Cromartie who can use the extra work right now and Revis who needs to stay healthy for game 1.

Can't say I'm concerned yet...

As a Jets fan, i second these two bolded statements. They brought in guys who wanted to play there. When the Pats got guys like Seau to play for dirt cheep, people kept groaning how the "rich get richer", and this is the same thing for the Jets now. The Pats biggest mistake was by not infusing youth WHILE bringing on these older vets. On the second part, yes, I am concerned as Revis is just an incredible player, but you are talking about the #1 Defense in the land. I would expect them to finish in the 2-4 range at best in 2010 even with Revis (as it is hard to duplicate such a great season), and with the addition of Cromartie and the rookie, PLUS the re-addition of Jenkins (remember, before he was injured, many thought he was the defensive MVP), they should be just fine regardless. Look at it this way (and again this is worst-case): Jenkins, Cromartie & Kyle Wilson (2010) versus Pouha, Revis, Sheppard (2009). That seems pretty even in my eyes.

 

[JAA]

The funny thing to think about is that the Jets can suspend him and not pay him for 3 more years. lol

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Maybe the Jets should keep bringing in and paying aging has-beens in an effort to sell PSL's instead of taking care of their star player first?

They didn't pay Anyone big money to come over as a FA. Come on, those small $$$ FA deals have exactly ZERO effect on the Revis deal. ZERO....The Revis camp is looking at the Asomongu contract but as I've read he only gets that top dollar for 1 season so, the Revis camp is kinda playing games here... Also Revis is under contract for the next 3 seasons so, again this is a little whacky... Not as simple as paying him $1.00 more than that deal cuz that deal is out of sync.....IMO, players need to understand the salary cap and what it means to be a team player - look no further than Lebron and co - They took less money to play on a good team - You want to set a new salary record, then go to Oakland.But, in the long run, the Jets have a top Rookie CB and Cromartie who can use the extra work right now and Revis who needs to stay healthy for game 1.Can't say I'm concerned yet...

The name is Nnamdi Asomugha, and he is still the best CB in the game.The difference between Revis and Nnamdi is, Nnamdi was a free agent, Revis has 3 years left on his deal. Everyone is quick to dismiss Nnamdi and say Revis is the best cornerback in the league, but I just dont see it. QB’s dont fear Revis to the point that they ignore him completely. Only one QB in the last 2 years has attempted more than 1 pass against Nnamdi, that was Favre as a Jet. I think that speaks for itself. Nnamdi is still the best.Notice, it's always Revis compared to Nnamdi and not ever the other way around. Like Kobe is compared to Jordan. That tells it all.

 

[Sabertooth]

Maybe the Jets should keep bringing in and paying aging has-beens in an effort to sell PSL's instead of taking care of their star player first?

They didn't pay Anyone big money to come over as a FA. Come on, those small $$$ FA deals have exactly ZERO effect on the Revis deal. ZERO....The Revis camp is looking at the Asomongu contract but as I've read he only gets that top dollar for 1 season so, the Revis camp is kinda playing games here... Also Revis is under contract for the next 3 seasons so, again this is a little whacky... Not as simple as paying him $1.00 more than that deal cuz that deal is out of sync.....IMO, players need to understand the salary cap and what it means to be a team player - look no further than Lebron and co - They took less money to play on a good team - You want to set a new salary record, then go to Oakland.But, in the long run, the Jets have a top Rookie CB and Cromartie who can use the extra work right now and Revis who needs to stay healthy for game 1.Can't say I'm concerned yet...

The name is Nnamdi Asomugha, and he is still the best CB in the game.The difference between Revis and Nnamdi is, Nnamdi was a free agent, Revis has 3 years left on his deal. Everyone is quick to dismiss Nnamdi and say Revis is the best cornerback in the league, but I just dont see it. QB’s dont fear Revis to the point that they ignore him completely. Only one QB in the last 2 years has attempted more than 1 pass against Nnamdi, that was Favre as a Jet. I think that speaks for itself. Nnamdi is still the best.Notice, it's always Revis compared to Nnamdi and not ever the other way around. Like Kobe is compared to Jordan. That tells it all.

And yet amazingly, Charles Woodson is the reigning Defensive MVP and he plays corner as well.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Maybe the Jets should keep bringing in and paying aging has-beens in an effort to sell PSL's instead of taking care of their star player first?

They didn't pay Anyone big money to come over as a FA. Come on, those small $$$ FA deals have exactly ZERO effect on the Revis deal. ZERO....The Revis camp is looking at the Asomongu contract but as I've read he only gets that top dollar for 1 season so, the Revis camp is kinda playing games here... Also Revis is under contract for the next 3 seasons so, again this is a little whacky... Not as simple as paying him $1.00 more than that deal cuz that deal is out of sync.....IMO, players need to understand the salary cap and what it means to be a team player - look no further than Lebron and co - They took less money to play on a good team - You want to set a new salary record, then go to Oakland.But, in the long run, the Jets have a top Rookie CB and Cromartie who can use the extra work right now and Revis who needs to stay healthy for game 1.Can't say I'm concerned yet...

The name is Nnamdi Asomugha, and he is still the best CB in the game.The difference between Revis and Nnamdi is, Nnamdi was a free agent, Revis has 3 years left on his deal. Everyone is quick to dismiss Nnamdi and say Revis is the best cornerback in the league, but I just dont see it. QB’s dont fear Revis to the point that they ignore him completely. Only one QB in the last 2 years has attempted more than 1 pass against Nnamdi, that was Favre as a Jet. I think that speaks for itself. Nnamdi is still the best.Notice, it's always Revis compared to Nnamdi and not ever the other way around. Like Kobe is compared to Jordan. That tells it all.

And yet amazingly, Charles Woodson is the reigning Defensive MVP and he plays corner as well.

Seriously, is Woodson, who is by the way a nice Raider castoff, even in this discussion?There is talent, and then there is genious.The "awesome-one"

 

[Sabertooth]

Maybe the Jets should keep bringing in and paying aging has-beens in an effort to sell PSL's instead of taking care of their star player first?

They didn't pay Anyone big money to come over as a FA. Come on, those small $$$ FA deals have exactly ZERO effect on the Revis deal. ZERO....The Revis camp is looking at the Asomongu contract but as I've read he only gets that top dollar for 1 season so, the Revis camp is kinda playing games here... Also Revis is under contract for the next 3 seasons so, again this is a little whacky... Not as simple as paying him $1.00 more than that deal cuz that deal is out of sync.....IMO, players need to understand the salary cap and what it means to be a team player - look no further than Lebron and co - They took less money to play on a good team - You want to set a new salary record, then go to Oakland.But, in the long run, the Jets have a top Rookie CB and Cromartie who can use the extra work right now and Revis who needs to stay healthy for game 1.Can't say I'm concerned yet...

The name is Nnamdi Asomugha, and he is still the best CB in the game.The difference between Revis and Nnamdi is, Nnamdi was a free agent, Revis has 3 years left on his deal. Everyone is quick to dismiss Nnamdi and say Revis is the best cornerback in the league, but I just dont see it. QB’s dont fear Revis to the point that they ignore him completely. Only one QB in the last 2 years has attempted more than 1 pass against Nnamdi, that was Favre as a Jet. I think that speaks for itself. Nnamdi is still the best.Notice, it's always Revis compared to Nnamdi and not ever the other way around. Like Kobe is compared to Jordan. That tells it all.

And yet amazingly, Charles Woodson is the reigning Defensive MVP and he plays corner as well.

Seriously, is Woodson, who is by the way a nice Raider castoff, even in this discussion?There is talent, and then there is genious.The "awesome-one"

I guess Randy Moss is a Raiders castoff too huh? I've watched a lot of football and Woodson is one of the very best to play the game. He's the complete package, great blitzer, excellent in run support, can cover with anyone. I think he gets knocked for his age when that should be a testament to his talent level.I think he's very much in the discussion for best corner. Obviously his DMVP last season is a big piece of evidence in support of my argument.

 

[Jason Wood]

I don't really see the point of this tangent about debating Revis vs. Woodson vs. Asomugha. Aso is already getting $15mm per season guaranteed, so his talents are being recognized and it's his contract that's the litmus test Revis is pursuing. Meanwhile Woodson is so much older than those guys that, even coming off a DPOY award, his career is nearing its end so you would never think to pay a guy like that similar dollars. The point is Revis is a young, true shut down corner with MAYBE two other guys comparable to him. And he plays on a defense that literally lets him lock up the opposing teams best receiver one on one...yet he does the job. That's worth a LOT of money, and I don't know that anyone (including Jets management) would disagree with that. The only issue is the Jets finances and what they're willing/able to do relative to the uncapped year and pending labor situation.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Good for Revis. NFL players should do what they can whenever they feel like they need to get paid.Unfortunately for him, though, I don't see how he'll get what he wants here. As good as he is and as much as he deserves to make more, I don't see how he has any leverage here (and there's no way in hell he's getting more than Nnamdi's crazy contract).

During their short careers NFL players only get to hold the hammer a few times.Revis currently holds that hammer - and he knows it - and it's a big hammer at that. He has ALL the leverage - their D relies heavily on him.

Holdout. No money this year.Lockout. No money next year.Holdout. No money that year.Then 28 on the market after not playing for 3 years. Not much of a hammer.

 

[Jason Wood]

Agreed with Snotbubbles. I think the disconnect here is the years. Revis has ZERO leverage. He's got three years under contract, and does anyone really think a guy who hasn't made huge bank yet would be willing to sit out one year much less three on principle?

 

[Workhorse]

If I'm a Jets fan, I'm terrified that Revis is being advised by Sean Gilbert in this holdout.

 

[Instinctive]

I think Charles Woodson is a different type of corner than Revis and Nnamdi. He's nto a shutdown guy, he plays in a different scheme where he practically always has help and he makes a huge difference in the RUN game. Extremely different, IMO, than the shutdown cover guys like Revis and Nnamdi.

(And, after this year...Mike Jenkins---since somebody always has an incredible season at corner, he's my pick)

 

[rufan]

The name is Nnamdi Asomugha, and he is still the best CB in the game.The difference between Revis and Nnamdi is, Nnamdi was a free agent, Revis has 3 years left on his deal. Everyone is quick to dismiss Nnamdi and say Revis is the best cornerback in the league, but I just dont see it. QB’s dont fear Revis to the point that they ignore him completely. Only one QB in the last 2 years has attempted more than 1 pass against Nnamdi, that was Favre as a Jet. I think that speaks for itself. Nnamdi is still the best.Notice, it's always Revis compared to Nnamdi and not ever the other way around. Like Kobe is compared to Jordan. That tells it all.

Aso only covers one side of the field, which means he is not always matched up with the #1. Revis always covers the #1, regardless of side. And very often, Rex has the safety cheat the other way, thus enticing the QB to throw in his direction. Teams will not completely disregard their #1 receiver, as they are often the biggest playmaker on the field, therefore, Revis gets more balls thrown in his direction.

 

[Raider Nation]

The name is Nnamdi Asomugha, and he is still the best CB in the game.

The difference between Revis and Nnamdi is, Nnamdi was a free agent, Revis has 3 years left on his deal. Everyone is quick to dismiss Nnamdi and say Revis is the best cornerback in the league, but I just dont see it. QB's dont fear Revis to the point that they ignore him completely. Only one QB in the last 2 years has attempted more than 1 pass against Nnamdi, that was Favre as a Jet. I think that speaks for itself. Nnamdi is still the best.

Notice, it's always Revis compared to Nnamdi and not ever the other way around. Like Kobe is compared to Jordan. That tells it all.

Aso only covers one side of the field, which means he is not always matched up with the #1. Revis always covers the #1, regardless of side. And very often, Rex has the safety cheat the other way, thus enticing the QB to throw in his direction. Teams will not completely disregard their #1 receiver, as they are often the biggest playmaker on the field, therefore, Revis gets more balls thrown in his direction.

FYI, it's certainly not because Nnamdi is incapable of shutting down anyone and everyone. It was scheme-related.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...&p=11279485

I expect the staff to stick him on the #1's more often this season.

 

[Moniker]

The name is Nnamdi Asomugha, and he is still the best CB in the game.

The difference between Revis and Nnamdi is, Nnamdi was a free agent, Revis has 3 years left on his deal. Everyone is quick to dismiss Nnamdi and say Revis is the best cornerback in the league, but I just dont see it. QB’s dont fear Revis to the point that they ignore him completely. Only one QB in the last 2 years has attempted more than 1 pass against Nnamdi, that was Favre as a Jet. I think that speaks for itself. Nnamdi is still the best.

Notice, it's always Revis compared to Nnamdi and not ever the other way around. Like Kobe is compared to Jordan. That tells it all.

Only a slight exaggeration in 2009, according to ProFootball Focus:Asomugha

Thrown at: 28 times

Revis

Thrown at: 111 times

Where it gets interesting is this:

Receptions on Asomugha: 21 (of 28 times thrown at for a 75% reception rate)

Receptions on Revis: 41 (of the 111 times thrown at for a 36.9% reception rate - by far the best in the league)

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.ph...&numgames=1

 

[nysportsfan]

This debate is getting tiresome as we've had it here a bunch of times. Both Revis and Asomugha are great corners, do different things, and excel a their positions. Woodson was the best defensive player last year, the most versatile, and deserved the award. Is he the best cornerback? No, probably not. But is he a better all around defensive back, yes.

 

[captain_amazing]

Wait. So what is the point of this thread again?

About Revis's holdout

Or

Who is the best CB currently?

 

[Raider Nation]

Wait. So what is the point of this thread again? About Revis's holdoutOrWho is the best CB currently?

Wait... you mean... A THREAD GOT HIJACKED???Someone call 60 Minutes.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Now former Ravens coach Brian Billick is sticking his head in on this issue, blaming the Raiders for Revis situation.

Raiders and Revis; link for P.M. updates

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

Tuesday, August 3rd, 2010 at 4:01 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Sometimes the Raiders just can't win, and we're not talking about the last seven years.

To hear former Baltimore Ravens coach Brian Billick tell it in an interview on Sirius XM's Mad Dog Radio, the whole Darrelle Revis holdout with the New York Jets can be laid squarely at the feet of the Raiders because they had the temerity to pay top dollar for their own prized cornerback.

I think the big difficulty for this is the fact that the top cornerback contract in the league right now is Nnamdi Asomugha. And to let the Raiders, who are notoriously bad negotiators, to let them set the standard you now have to negotiate against, that's a cap guy or a general manager's worst nightmare,” Billick said.

Because the agent for Darrelle Revis is simply going to say, `Hey, this is the contract we're basing it off of.’ He's not going to listen to, `No, no, that doesn’t count. That's the Raiders.’ ”

A few points:

Asomugha played his original contract to its completion, was an exclusive rights franchise player and then got his mega-deal before it happened again.

Revis has two years to go on his original deal.

In a very tense season because of the additional year players needed to become an unrestricted free agent this year, Oakland quickly and quietly got all their tenders in without complaint.

Rather than play the low-ball game, as San Diego did with big-name players such as Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeill, the Raiders paid top dollar and beyond (Stanford Routt comes to mind). They gave a second-round tender to a Pro Bowl long-snapper.

Say what you will about tender levels given to Routt, Hiram Eugene and Jon Condo, but they're in camp and practicing. And their contracts aren't guaranteed, by the way.

Ownership just hates it when someone goes above the going rate, and Billick's pro-management take is probably natural for a guy who'd like to be a head coach again.

Interesting Billick would invoke the cap guy,” because there currently is no cap. The Jets are free to pay whatever they want, provided they're creative enough to get around the 30 percent rule and spread out guaranteed money.

Like it or not, Asomugha is the contract standard. That's how it works.

If the Raiders are such bad negotiators, how is that with one notable exception they always have their draft class in on time? And very seldom have players complaining about money in the media?

If Asomugha is in uniform and Revis is not, which team is the bad negotiator?

Heading out for the afternoon practice soon. Barring news that requires an update, practice highlights can be found on my Twitter page.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010...or-p-m-updates/

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The name is Nnamdi Asomugha, and he is still the best CB in the game.

The difference between Revis and Nnamdi is, Nnamdi was a free agent, Revis has 3 years left on his deal. Everyone is quick to dismiss Nnamdi and say Revis is the best cornerback in the league, but I just dont see it. QB’s dont fear Revis to the point that they ignore him completely. Only one QB in the last 2 years has attempted more than 1 pass against Nnamdi, that was Favre as a Jet. I think that speaks for itself. Nnamdi is still the best.

Notice, it's always Revis compared to Nnamdi and not ever the other way around. Like Kobe is compared to Jordan. That tells it all.

Only a slight exaggeration in 2009, according to ProFootball Focus:Asomugha

Thrown at: 28 times

Revis

Thrown at: 111 times

Where it gets interesting is this:

Receptions on Asomugha: 21 (of 28 times thrown at for a 75% reception rate)

Receptions on Revis: 41 (of the 111 times thrown at for a 36.9% reception rate - by far the best in the league)

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.ph...&numgames=1

I am not going to contest the analysis of your link but I would argue that these statistics are open to interpretation. Here is a link that goes into some detailed analysis of the top 50 CB's of 2009. http://www.dallascowboyfansunited.com/foru...php?t-9773.html

1. Nnamdi Asomugha, Oakland Raiders

Season Totals: 29 attempts, 4.97 YPA, 62.07 Forced INC%, 0 TDs, 1 INT

My two cents: Was this the best season every for a CB? Asomugha was only thrown at 29 times the entire season and allowed just 9 receptions. He allowed two catches (both to Tony Gonzalez) over an eight game span in the middle of the season. He allowed 144 yards receiving for the season, and 46 of those came on one play against the Chargers where he misjudged an underthrown pass to Vincent Jackson. If a CB has had a better season than this, I’d like to see the numbers.

2. Corey Webster, New York Giants

Season Totals: 66 attempts, 3.92 YPA, 65.15 Forced INC%, 1 TD, 3 INTs

My two cents: Did Corey Webster seriously not make the Pro Bowl? I have come to terms with the Pro Bowl being absolutely meaningless, but that is just ridiculous. There wasn’t an NFC CB to even come close to the level on which Webster played. He led all CBs with a 3.92 YPA, and a 65.15 forced incompletion percentage. The only TD he allowed was to Terrell Owens in a week nine victory.

3. Darrelle Revis, New York Jets

Season Totals: 72 attempts, 4.96 YPA, 51.39 Forced INC%, 1 TD, 5 INTs

My two cents: This guy really stepped up his game this season. Only Nnamdi Asomugha played the position better in the AFC. Not only was Revis one of the best coverage CBs in the league, he also picked off five passes. If this guy improves (or even stays level) the Jets have a CB they can build a defense around.

4. Charles Woodson, Green Bay Packers

Season Totals: 65 attempts, 5.69 YPA, 56.92 Forced INC%, 0 TDs, 7 INTs

My two cents: I’m amazed that Woodson seems to get better with age. I would have to imagine that this was the best season of his career. While impressive, let’s forget about his seven INTs for a second. A YPA under 6, and a forced incompletion percentage over 50, is just ridiculous. Something else that should be noted is the Packers style of defense. Not only do they play mostly man-to-man coverage, but their pass rush was very weak this year. Ok, now you can remember that he picked off seven passes which led all CBs.

Now in this analysis, Aso gave up 9/29 completed/attempted passes for a 32.1% rate which is better than Revis 36.9%.All of this is subject to interpretation, as the grader of this analysis can assign blame on a missed assignment subjectively.

 

[TLEF316]

The "logic" in that article about billick makes no sense to me.

Obviously no team wants their players holding out or publicly complaining. But the lack of these things doesn't mean a team is good at negotiating. Any management group can have happy players if they just bend over and give every one of their players stupid contracts.

The jets could pay Revis 18 mil a year with 75 mil guaranteed and he'd be in camp this afternoon. But that certainly wouldn't make Mike Tannenbaum a good negotiator. It would make him as big an idiot as Al Davis. And it would put the jets straight on the path back to mediocrity, or worse