Rex Grossman (1 Viewer)

[m_sell31]

I play in a 14 team league, we keep 15 players every year. I don't need a QB but I was looking at who was avialible in our Rookie/FA draft and saw Grossman.

To be an average QB #2 we would only have to be QB#21 or better on the year. It really seems like people here are down on his future. I know he had some real bad games last year but it was really only his first year starting, and he stayed healthy. They added another good TE, the young WR's should be even better plus add Hester to the mix, and he has plenty of weapons. I believe he threw 23 TD's last season. All he has to do is be a little more consistent and cut down on INT's a little and I don't see why he couldnt finish in the QB15-20 range. For as late as he is going in drafts it seems like value to me. Oh, and he gets to play DET, MIN, and GB twice!

Just wondering if i am the only one who thinks he represents value?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Just wondering if i am the only one who thinks he represents value?

You are not alone.

 

[jurb26]

He was QB15 last year and got upgrades all over the place on O. The guy is border line startable in any league.

 

[m_sell31]

He was QB15 last year and got upgrades all over the place on O. The guy is border line startable in any league.

Ok but it seesm like he is always getting bashed on here, many even saying he should/will be benched for Brian Griese

 

[John Black]

I agree Grossman is a solid #2 as in poop.

 

[PsychoMan]

Yes he gets bashed on here a lot. He'll do fine. I think he represents good to great value. I also see him as a medium risk, high reward kind of guy. You can get him pretty cheaply, and he has the potential to explode this year.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

He's a fine #2, but along with his upside, you also get the risk of a zonk in the form of a game in the negatives. When Rex was bad, he was very very bad. Thats why I have him lower than backup fantasy QB types with less upside.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He's a fine #2, but along with his upside, you also get the risk of a zonk in the form of a game in the negatives. When Rex was bad, he was very very bad. Thats why I have him lower than backup fantasy QB types with less upside.

It's hard to remember that last year was Rex's first full year as a starter. The up's and down's he exhibited are symptomatic of just about any first year starter. I think he'll be much more consistent this year. At the very least, I expect his INT's to go down considerably.

 

[Nookular Power]

He's a fine #2, but along with his upside, you also get the risk of a zonk in the form of a game in the negatives. When Rex was bad, he was very very bad. Thats why I have him lower than backup fantasy QB types with less upside.

It's hard to remember that last year was Rex's first full year as a starter. The up's and down's he exhibited are symptomatic of just about any first year starter. I think he'll be much more consistent this year. At the very least, I expect his INT's to go down considerably.

Yes and no -- you expect a young QB to show some inconsistency. But Rex took the term to a new level -- he really made it his own. And the worst part was that, as good as he looked some games, he put up some of his worst against crappy D's (the Arizona game, for example). Now, I say this as someone who's high on Rex and hopeful for great things (see the spotlight thread for my optimistic projections). To address the question of the OP -- you're not at all crazy for thinking he could be good value as a #2 QB, especially in a bigger league. He may never produce what I think is his upside, but should he remain inconsistent, you still might get lucky and start Rex when he's "on". Of those going in the 18 - 28 slots, he's as good a shot as any at giving you a monster game out of nowhere.

 

[BigRed]

He's a fine #2, but along with his upside, you also get the risk of a zonk in the form of a game in the negatives. When Rex was bad, he was very very bad. Thats why I have him lower than backup fantasy QB types with less upside.

...and why he isn't a fine #2 IMO. Well, depends on your mentality I guess. If you're up for huge risk/reward on at QB2 - not necessarily unreasonable - yeah he's worth a shot. I'm hoping for a bit better. Course league size etc comes into play too.

 

[kevinray]

If healthy Rex will have value. In all the Rex bashing I've seen the one point that hasn't really been brought up is how injury prone this guy was his first two years. Its not like he rode the pine his first two seasons to learn he sat out with broken this and broken that for both seasons. Theres injury risk with all players but Rex has shown that he'll get hurt more than avg.

 

[kensat30]

I wouldn't draft the guy.

Personally, I think it's doubtful Grossman is still starting by the end of the season. Griese should have gotten a chance to start last season. This season, it is almost a certainty. Just because Grossman and Berrian were stepping it up in a few games with some playground football last year, does not make Grossman the answer. He's not a good QB.

Bottomline, if you are throwing for either 250/3/0 or 150/0/3 in any given week, you are not going to last long in the NFL.

 

[Phlash]

If any other first year starter QB put up 3100+ and 23 TDs they'd all be talking about him as the next great QB. Rex has been horrendous at times, but he's also still learning. Once he gets the touch aspect of his game under control, he should be ready to put up great numbers.

 

[BigRed]

gotta love them apologists

 

[Hairy Snowman]

gotta love them apologists

Guys like this are what will make Rex GREAT value in most leagues. I personally see him finishing in the top 10.

 

[PsychoMan]

gotta love them apologists

Guys like this are what will make Rex GREAT value in most leagues. I personally see him finishing in the top 10.

As far as finishing in the top 10, it honestly wouldn't surprise me, but I'd be a little afraid to bet on it. Somewhere in the 9-14 range is very reasonable though IMO.

 

[ericttspikes]

gotta love them apologists

Guys like this are what will make Rex GREAT value in most leagues. I personally see him finishing in the top 10.

Yeah, there really is no point arguing with the haters. It's not like he's going high in any draft. He's ranked in Trent Green-Tavaris Jackson territory on this site. He's being taken behind guys like Campbell, Schaub, Leftwich, Pennington and McNair. Where's the risk? He will be the hands down steal of the draft at QB.

 

[ericttspikes]

gotta love them apologists

Guys like this are what will make Rex GREAT value in most leagues. I personally see him finishing in the top 10.

As far as finishing in the top 10, it honestly wouldn't surprise me, but I'd be a little afraid to bet on it. Somewhere in the 9-14 range is very reasonable though IMO.

I don't see him being taken anywhere near the 10 QB off the board. He's being projected in the 20-25 area, and that is ridiculous. I don't care how much anyone hates the dude, he is a steal in that range.

 

[Ozymandias]

We know about Grossman's first full year:

55% Completions, 3193 yards, 23 td's, 20 int's.

Name the Hall of Fame Quarterbacks whose records are these:

1. Year 2: 61% completions, 3303 yards, 19 td's, 24 int's

2. Year 1: 48% competions, 1663 yards, 7 td's, 14 int's

3. Year 2: 54% completions, 2282 yards, 8 td's, 13 int's

 

[vandyt]

He was QB15 last year and got upgrades all over the place on O. The guy is border line startable in any league.

Ok but it seesm like he is always getting bashed on here, many even saying he should/will be benched for Brian Griese

Good Fantasy Football stats =/= Good NFL playRexy is an awful starting QB, and deserves to be replaced by Griese.

 

[jurb26]

He was QB15 last year and got upgrades all over the place on O. The guy is border line startable in any league.

Ok but it seesm like he is always getting bashed on here, many even saying he should/will be benched for Brian Griese :(

Good Fantasy Football stats =/= Good NFL playRexy is an awful starting QB, and deserves to be replaced by Griese.

Riiight. Keep dreaming and holding onto Griese in that league. Rex may actually get hurt and make your wild fantasy a reality. Griese will not find the field any other way.

 

[AussieOyOyOy]

We know about Grossman's first full year:55% Completions, 3193 yards, 23 td's, 20 int's.Name the Hall of Fame Quarterbacks whose records are these:1. Year 2: 61% completions, 3303 yards, 19 td's, 24 int's2. Year 1: 48% competions, 1663 yards, 7 td's, 14 int's3. Year 2: 54% completions, 2282 yards, 8 td's, 13 int's

Favre, Elway and Young.Also, the great Aaron Brooks threw for 3572 yards with a a 27-15 TD-int ratio in his 2nd full year.It's too early to tell with Grossman. The guy obviously has talent, but he's certainly inconsistent. I think he's one of those guys whose career holds many possibilities, both good and bad. He could mature into a very effective quarterback, and he could be playing for Mark Cuban in three years.

 

[Ozymandias]

We know about Grossman's first full year:55% Completions, 3193 yards, 23 td's, 20 int's.Name the Hall of Fame Quarterbacks whose records are these:1. Year 2: 61% completions, 3303 yards, 19 td's, 24 int's2. Year 1: 48% competions, 1663 yards, 7 td's, 14 int's3. Year 2: 54% completions, 2282 yards, 8 td's, 13 int's

Favre, Elway and Young.Also, the great Aaron Brooks threw for 3572 yards with a a 27-15 TD-int ratio in his 2nd full year.It's too early to tell with Grossman. The guy obviously has talent, but he's certainly inconsistent. I think he's one of those guys whose career holds many possibilities, both good and bad. He could mature into a very effective quarterback, and he could be playing for Mark Cuban in three years.

Exactly. I cheated a bit with Favre, because he's not in the Hall yet. But no one doubts he will be. Some qb's struggle early, and then keep developing as those three did. Some burn out after a few good years, and retrogress, as Brooks did. I'd say Grossman's a good value as a QB2, particularly in a dynasty league.

 

[Gaddis]

He was QB15 last year and got upgrades all over the place on O. The guy is border line startable in any league.

Ok but it seesm like he is always getting bashed on here, many even saying he should/will be benched for Brian Griese

Good Fantasy Football stats =/= Good NFL playRexy is an awful starting QB, and deserves to be replaced by Griese.

Now that's just silly.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Grossman is one of my favorite sleepers this year. Yes, he tanked down the stretch with three games of three picks each. But, he started the first eight games (nine games) with only one game below ten points. Even with the horrible stretch to finish the season, Grossman still finished as QB15 for the year. He is working dilligently (from reports) to step up into the pocket and not throw off of his back foot which was a major problem last year.

I see QB1 numbers at QB3 price. The Bears drafted Olsen. They get Bradley healthy. I see good year for Rex. The Bears not addressing QB makes me feel they have confidence in Grossman.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

It's not like he's going high in any draft. He's ranked in Trent Green-Tavaris Jackson territory on this site. He's being taken behind guys like Campbell, Schaub, Leftwich, Pennington and McNair. Where's the risk? He will be the hands down steal of the draft at QB.

Despite my moniker I'm not a huge fan. I think that he makes a high risk/reward QB2, along the lines of Leftwich. Personally I would draft Leftwich before Grossman but he's a reach too. He'd probably be a good guy to play when he has a good matchup-Detroit, for example.He was bad on the road and against good defenses last year. I hope he improves but I'm not holding my breath.Ideally he'd make a good risk/reward backup for a team with a proven QB1 like Palmer, etc.

 

[m_sell31]

this was amazing to me....

19. Rex Grossman, Chicago: 3,193 yards, 23 TDs, 20 INTs. Good Rex is so good, but Bad Rex is so very, very bad. Playing his first full season, he had 21 touchdowns and two interceptions in 10 games. In the other six, he had two TDs and 18 INTs.

 

[PsychoMan]

Please axe this thread. I'd rather no one else catch on to this. I would be very happy to have Rex on all my teams this year. He has the potential to absolutely explode. Thing is, I think he'll spread it around a lot. Several WRs, RBs and TEs will get production so I'd be iffy on drafting any of them. But I do want Sexy Rexy.

Oh yeah, and Griese has apparently looked awful so far in practice ... they're already wondering if Orton will take over the #2 job. In other words, another 16 game season for Rex should be expected (barring injury).

 

[Penguin]

If you can get Rex around QB18-20 then I say grab him. At that point he's very low risk with a lot of upside. Personally I think he puts up better numbers in '07 then he had last year. As far as Brian Griese goes, I think his days as a starter in the NFL are over, he'll be a competant backup from this point out, JMHO

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

Word is that there is a good chance Brian Griese will lose the Backup job to Orton. Griese is crapping the bed so far in camp. Just brutal.

Rex isn't going to be replaced by Griese anytime soon. Griese is done.

 

[perry147]

Rex is good value this year. Many times he is one of the last starting QBs start taken.

 

[Peyton Marino]

I have him at QB12, which makes a viable No. 1 QB in 12 team leagues.

With an ADP in the double digits, the guy has value coming out his ###.

 

[Penguin]

I have him at QB12, which makes a viable No. 1 QB in 12 team leagues. With an ADP in the double digits, the guy has value coming out his ###.

I think his upside is around 10th-12th but I don't have him that high. If he crashes & burns he'll be in the low 20's. I have him around 18th depending on the scoring system but I think there's a good chance he exceeds that ranking.

 

[JHuber77]

People seem to forget that he is a QB#2. You aren't gonna start Grossman every week. If you have one of the top QB's, barring injury, you will start him exactly 1 time. So for everyone here to bash him is completely crazy.

 

[Nookular Power]

For all those with man love for Griese: link.

Towards the bottom of the "Highlighting" segment: "Kyle Orton took reps with the No. 2 offensive unit for the first time". I'd read another recent article (can't seem to find it...will post if I do) suggesting that Orton has had a great off-season, and should compete with Griese for the #2 job. And depending on the year Grossman has, may put himself in position to compete for the starting job in 2008.