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So Griffin hasn't been a stud, but he's in the top-10 for the year, top-10 over the last month, and he had a crap game this week, but still ended up top-10 based on garbage time stats.

That being said, he has SF coming up on MNF. If he's your starting QB, do you roll with him in this (probably) vital matchup? Some FF playoffs start in week 13, many more start in week 14. A win in week 12 could go a long way to securing a playoff berth, bye week, etc.

Do RGIII owners start him on MNF in a tough matchup, after his performance against Philly (and his recent games against Den & SD), or do you start a backup/WW guy in the Keenum, Fitzpatrick, McGloin range?

 
Points wise he has been fine but this is the toughest matchup for him in a few weeks. I am taking a huge chance and going with Eli this week. I need the upside and I don't think there will be a lot here for RGIII.

 
Outside of the Denver game, RGIII's floor has been around 15-17 points or so depending on your league's scoring. Granted, he hasn't faced a pass defense as good as SF's yet but with that floor and his upside he's a pretty difficult guy to sit unless you have another proven top-level QB1 to use. Of the OP's choices I think Keenum is tempting since the matchup is really good for him. I wouldn't want to sit Griffin for the likes of McGoin or Fitzpatrick, though.

 
Dallas has allowed the most FF points to opposing QBs this year, so I can see Eli, but Ryan gets NO, who is one of the worst matchups for QBs. If Ryan had a better matchup, I might start Ryan. Those 2 guys have a history of being able to put up big games. Unproven guys like Keenum, McGloin, Fitz, Tolzien are risker plays.

 
Right now I have Glennon in. Reed may not play, Garson was gimpy after the Eagles game and Hankerson is done for the year. SF has a tough pass D and is steaming. Plus, the locker seems like it's a mess right now.

 
packersfan said:
Outside of the Denver game, RGIII's floor has been around 15-17 points or so depending on your league's scoring. Granted, he hasn't faced a pass defense as good as SF's yet but with that floor and his upside he's a pretty difficult guy to sit unless you have another proven top-level QB1 to use. Of the OP's choices I think Keenum is tempting since the matchup is really good for him. I wouldn't want to sit Griffin for the likes of McGoin or Fitzpatrick, though.
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I wasn't really asking about those "guys" exactly, rather I was trying to throw a "type" of QB: unproven guys with decent/good/great matchups that might be available on the WW. That being said, while I agree that Keenum has the best matchup, his situation is also unclear. Is Kubiak going to pull him again at half time? That would concern me if I was starting him.

 
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Bayhawks said:
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battlebaby said:
Isotopes said:
Thinking about starting Ryan over him on Thursday Night
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Struggling QB + TNF + Saints D = :thumbdown:
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Flip side is Ryan could be throwing all night and load up in garbage time like he did against the Bucs.
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TB is the fifth best FF matchup for QBs, NO is the 4th worst.
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Way to completely miss his point. Much higher chance of seeing garbage time against NO than against TB.

 
Warrior said:
Bayhawks said:
packersfan said:
battlebaby said:
Isotopes said:
Thinking about starting Ryan over him on Thursday Night
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Struggling QB + TNF + Saints D = :thumbdown:
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Flip side is Ryan could be throwing all night and load up in garbage time like he did against the Bucs.
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TB is the fifth best FF matchup for QBs, NO is the 4th worst.
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Way to completely miss his point. Much higher chance of seeing garbage time against NO than against TB.
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I didn't miss his point, and you are wrong, anyway. We can assume that NO will cause Atlanta to have "garbage time," but it's not a certainty. We know, for 100% certainty, that TB put Atlanta into "garbage time." Furthermore, Atlanta was down 38-7 in the 3rd quarter, which is much earlier than "garbage time" normally starts.

The fact is that TB put Atlanta into "garbage time" much earlier than normal, AND TB's pass D is worse, making it more likely for Ryan to accumulate "garbage time" FF points. So, Ryan will likely have less "garbage time" AND play a tougher pass defense while he is trying to accumulate those garbage points. Even with over a quarter of garbage time, Ryan "only" put up 250/2.

Anyway, back to the point of the thread, is RGIII in the "never bench your studs" category, especially if your alternative is a low-end backup/WW QB with a great matchup?

 
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Warrior said:
Bayhawks said:
packersfan said:
battlebaby said:
Isotopes said:
Thinking about starting Ryan over him on Thursday Night
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Struggling QB + TNF + Saints D = :thumbdown:
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Flip side is Ryan could be throwing all night and load up in garbage time like he did against the Bucs.
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TB is the fifth best FF matchup for QBs, NO is the 4th worst.
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Way to completely miss his point. Much higher chance of seeing garbage time against NO than against TB.
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But wouldn't all those other QBs that played NO already have had similar chances to put up garbage time points? Doesn't matter when the points come...if the defense shuts a QB down all game and then gives up a bunch of garbage time points, they're still going to be ranked as a better fantasy matchup.

Even if you play Ryan hoping that he bucks this trend in garbage time, I just don't see the upside of playing him over RG3.

 
Im going with Keenum. I think Kubiak has been grilled all week and isnt going to pull him again. I also think Case bounces back and hooks up with Andre....a lot. Im worried about all the hits Griffin takes, his beat up receiving corps, and this is a nasty defense. I just trust him less this week. He just hasnt looked right all year. My biggest worry is Keenums pass protection....im pretty confident hell make plays if he gets some time

 
Houston turmOiler said:
Im going with Keenum. I think Kubiak has been grilled all week and isnt going to pull him again. I also think Case bounces back and hooks up with Andre....a lot. Im worried about all the hits Griffin takes, his beat up receiving corps, and this is a nasty defense. I just trust him less this week. He just hasnt looked right all year. My biggest worry is Keenums pass protection....im pretty confident hell make plays if he gets some time
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Jax only has 15 sacks all season; I would think Keenum should get time to throw.

 
I have a claim in for Keenum (released last night) if someone gets him first my next choice is Tolzien. He could have a real good game against Minnesota.

I don't want to start RG3.

 
I'm rolling him out there, but I have wrapped up a playoff spot and I'm going against a weak team....if it was must win, I would be much more nervous.

A few weeks ago I picked up Foles because I didn't like the way RG3 looked, and last week I started Foles thinking he gave me the best chance to win. RG3 did get enough garbage time stats trying to cath up that he matched Foles in points. RG3 should once again get those gabage time points and a decent amount rushing , so unless I just had a can't pass up matchup with a decent QB (Eli vs Dal) I would not change.

One other thing that we should factor is that both teams want to run the ball which will limit possessions and shorten the game. I still expect Washington to be down and RG3 to be putting up 2nd half stats. I would say he gets around 18 pts.....I don't see hiom blowing up, so if you think you need a huge game you might want to gamble elsewhere

 
Big players make big plays in big games.

Don't over think this one - start RG3 with confidence Monday night.

 
tommyGunZ said:
Big players make big plays in big games.

Don't over think this one - start RG3 with confidence Monday night.
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So RGIII hasn't had a big game this year then? His points come in garbage time. Good for fantasy football. But talking like he's done anything "big" this year is sort of silly.

 
Thats exactly my problem with him. Hes not playing like a big timer and hes making a lot of these plays in garbage time. And the last two weeks, when the outcome of the game hung in the balance, he didnt quite get it done. Not big time man. Im not saying he cant but hes a player in a bit of a funk right now and hes sitting firmly on my bench for this one

 
Ughh...I want to start him so bad

RGIII on Primetime? Could be a statement game, but dat SF defense

Would you sit him for either

Glennon @ DET

or

Palmer vs IND?

or

Eli @ DAL

 
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andyk803 said:
Ughh...I want to start him so bad

RGIII on Primetime? Could be a statement game, but dat SF defense

Would you sit him for either

Glennon @ DET

or

Palmer vs IND?

or

Eli @ DAL
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I usually just sit idely and watch people pee in the shark pool.

But, You've been asking these questions in different threads all day. Why don't you just make your own decision on who to start? Or look at expert rankings and pick the player ranked the highest.

 
Whether Griffin is big time or not doesn't seem to be impacting his fantasy production. It also doesn't matter when he gets his points as long as he gets them (which he generally has). He's a Top 10 QB in many/most scoring systems. So from a fantasy perspective he's getting it done and as I pointed out earlier he's only had one real bad fantasy game (vs. Denver). I don't think you sit him this week because he's not big time. You sit him either because you have another Top 10 QB with a better matchup or because you believe the matchup is too great for Griffin to overcome.

 
I don't care how mant FF points he gets, as long as they lose.

-Rams fan who wants a top 5 pick from them

RG3, the gift that keeps giving

 
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i'll be starting kapernick instead of RGIII this week. think kap can do to the redskins d a bit better then RG will be able to do to the 49ers d

 
I understand the injury he's coming back from but I'm still surprised we're 10 games into the season and he still doesn't have a rushing TD. He's had some decent rushing games; you'd think he'd luck into one or two at some point. That he's been a Top 10 fantasy QB without the aid of meaningful rushing production is pretty remarkable. I'm not sure too many people believed that would be the case.

 
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i'll be starting kapernick instead of RGIII this week. think kap can do to the redskins d a bit better then RG will be able to do to the 49ers d
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Any QB facing the Redskins gains significant value. Someone like Kaepernick becomes almost a Must Start in my opinion, even taking into consideration all the issues San Francisco currently has with the passing game.

 
Didn't SF hold Newton's team to ten points? And if I'm not mistaken the Saints were AVERAGING 38 at home before beating the Niners. I don't like this matchup at all.

 
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I understand the injury he's coming back from but I'm still surprised we're 10 games into the season and he still doesn't have a rushing TD. He's had some decent rushing games; you'd think he'd luck into one or two at some point. That he's been a Top 10 fantasy QB without the aid of meaningful rushing production is pretty remarkable. I'm not sure too many people believed that would be the case.
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FWIW, he has been tackled on the 1yd line a few times while rushing.

 
I have been blindly starting RG3 all season, but I believe there needs to be further discussion on RG3. An FBG Rank of #5 is much higher than I would have guessed. Most sites (ESPN, CBS, YAHOO) have RG3 floating between 8-12. Yet still higher than any possible matchup replacement which would be:

Palmer home vs Indy

Scott Tolzien home vs Min

McCown @ St. Louis

Fitzpatrick @ Oakland

Matt McGloin home vs TEN

I am trying to make an argument for Palmer by arguing that he has played tough DEF's in early weeks and the Cards are now heating up as their schedule gets softer.

I am also reasoning that any QB against Minnesota may do well, so Tolzien is an option....

What us RG3 owners can not have is a repeat of Week #8......

 
Starting Tolzien over RG3. Love the matchup vs Minn and part of my fear with RG3 is that he'll get knocked out by an SF sack. He's been taking some vicious hits last few weeks.

 
Going with Brady at this point over RGIII ... Foles is on bye so I have to pick one.

Yahoo has projections of 19.43 for Brady and 17.49 for RGIII.

 
RG3 has been saving himself in garbage time. If you just look at his final stats, he looks WAY better than he does if you actually watch the game. He had like 4 points going into the 4th quarter last week? You think he's going to throw a 50 yard pass to his full back every week and get away with it?

Sit him if you can. Unfortunately, every league I own him in I also have Foles, so I have to go with RG3. I'm expecting between 10-20 points from him, probably on the lower end.

 
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