rizzler
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massraider
Footballguy
This is a totally awesome, riveting discussion.
Hoss_Cartwright
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rizzler
Footballguy
broads... birds... dames.... it's all the same in the end.. isn't it?
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
It's the British/Canadian version of neighbor.
Why would I want to add a letter in order to spell a word incorrectly?I know... you Americans... it's one thing after another. Is it really that difficult to add one extra letter?Ignorant is not knowing how to spell "neighbor".It's not at all ignorant... It's fact.Especially down in my neighbour to the south... but even up here in the north.That is a very ignorant statement to make.blessed by Tebow himself... what more can one ask for?Seriously, as has been mentioned, spread offense is not as big a deal as traditionally has been. Teams WILL adjust their scheme for a player of Griffin's qualities.I really like this kid.
Good lord, I can't wait to watch this kid in the pro's.
For some reason... I feel like people (some) see a black QB, and assume all run, no brains. Really don't mean to bring race into it, but I think it's true.
Master's or not, people don't associate black with "brilliant", far too often.
Denying that there is an immense stigma that blacks are less "intelligent" is, in itself, ignorant.
rizzler
Footballguy
I operated STRONGLY under the suspicion that he knew it was spelled correctly (with a "u") up here...And was just fishing me along.He did play it well... if that was his intention, of course.
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Cookiemonster
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Agreed. I have heard RG3 referred to as "athletic" far more than "cerebral," even though his intelligence seems to be on an equal level if not ahead of his tremendous athletic talent, just as everybody implied last year that Cam Newton would struggle to learn the playbook and make reads throwing the ball, but had no problem projecting him for 700/10 rushing.ETA - I will say that this forum seems to be far, far ahead of those thoughts and feelings than mainstream America. Funny, you'll hear more of that crap from ESPN than the Shark Pool.'rizzler said:It's not at all ignorant... It's fact.Especially down in my neighbour to the south... but even up here in the north.'Steelfan7 said:That is a very ignorant statement to make.'rizzler said:blessed by Tebow himself... what more can one ask for?Seriously, as has been mentioned, spread offense is not as big a deal as traditionally has been. Teams WILL adjust their scheme for a player of Griffin's qualities.'TimTebow said:I really like this kid.
Good lord, I can't wait to watch this kid in the pro's.
For some reason... I feel like people (some) see a black QB, and assume all run, no brains. Really don't mean to bring race into it, but I think it's true.
Master's or not, people don't associate black with "brilliant", far too often.
Denying that there is an immense stigma that blacks are less "intelligent" is, in itself, ignorant.
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There is no value at the #1 this year. The Colts will not get anything close to the percieved value since the top QBs are so close.
BeTheMatch
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I don't think the QBs are perceived as being that close together. Sure, they might all be top-10 picks, which might make them seem close, but I think Luck is head and shoulders above Griffin and Barkley in terms of how he's viewed by NFL scouts/GMs.
I agree that Luck appears to be the best of the group. However Barkley and Griffin don't look to be so far behind him that the teams that need a QB are going to sell future #1s to get him.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I don't think they are perceived as close. Maybe to you fantasy people they are, but I'd be willing to bet every GM in the NFL ranks Luck head and shoulders above everyone else.
And I'm telling you that the teams that are in the market for a QB have too many needs to burn up to trade up for Luck. No matter how bad you Indy homers want it to happen. It's just not going to be worth it to trade up to grab him.
FUBAR
Footballguy
The only team in play IMO is the Redskins.
Who have way too many needs. Shannahan won't give up an additional #1 to move up 3-5 places.The only team in play IMO is the Redskins.
EBF
Footballguy
Yea, I tend to agree with this. Given the massive hyperbole attached to Luck, I find it unlikely that many pro front offices think Griffin and Barkley are nearly equivalent to him in value. If that were the case, we'd be looking at the best QB class in decades since Luck is widely thought to be a super elite prospect. I think Luck has been a victim of his own success. The hype got so huge that there was no way he could possibly live up to it. It doesn't help that most casual football fans have only seen him play against Oregon this year and last, which were both sub par performances from him. I think it's become fashionable to underrate him and hype the newer kids on the block like Griffin and Barkley. I still think Luck will be a solid #1 when the NFL draft rolls around.
Of course, that doesn't mean Griffin and Barkley can't be successful. Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, and Ben Roethlisberger have all had solid careers. It's not an either-or proposition. Just because you like Luck, Barkley, or Griffin doesn't mean you have to believe that the other two will bust. As a FF player, I'm excited about the depth in this class.
What I should have said origanlly is that Griffin/Barkley + multiple picks > Luck. At least to the teams that would be looking to move up (Washington, Miami, Cleveland etc.)
EBF
Footballguy
I'm still not sure it's true. I mean, if Luck is as good as advertised then there's very little margin for error if you're hoping to trade him away for fair value. If a guy like Barkley becomes a Flacco/Palmer type while Luck becomes a Brees/Rodgers type then you've surrendered a huge amount of value. If you move Luck then you really have to be 99% sure that either Barkley or Griffin will be just as good.
The QB position is massively important. The struggles of this year's Colts team demonstrate that. If I were at the helm of a team with a chance to draft an alleged "once per decade" franchise QB like Luck then I wouldn't get cute. Just pick him and be on with it. That's what I expect the Colts to do. The fact that Brian Polian is an assistant on the Stanford coaching staff means they'll have the book on Luck. If they know what they have then I don't think they'll let it go.
The QB position is massively important. The struggles of this year's Colts team demonstrate that. If I were at the helm of a team with a chance to draft an alleged "once per decade" franchise QB like Luck then I wouldn't get cute. Just pick him and be on with it. That's what I expect the Colts to do. The fact that Brian Polian is an assistant on the Stanford coaching staff means they'll have the book on Luck. If they know what they have then I don't think they'll let it go.
Hoss_Cartwright
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I don't want the Colts to trade the pick. I want them to draft Andrew Luck, period !
Crash Davis
Footballguy
I'm on the bandwagon, and as a Jets fan I absolutely do NOT want to see him end up in Miami. 
I'm hoping they beat Buffalo this week and push themselves out of the running for any of the big 3 QBs.
I'm hoping they beat Buffalo this week and push themselves out of the running for any of the big 3 QBs.
Thorpe
Footballguy
The Colts have to pay Manning 23 mil a year in 2012 and 2013, and then 10 mil a year for the two years after that. But the salary cap will go up in 2014 due to a new TV deal, and the Colts had been expected to rework Mannings contract. If they draft Luck at #1, they will be devoting something like 30% on QB salaries. I don't see how you can win doing that. Manning is 35, but he could easily play until he is 40 (which would be around when Luck's first contract would run through) , and I don't see the Colts cutting Manning at any point in his contract. I just don't see how the Colts can take a QB at #1.
As for RG3, he is a great prospect. 400M hurdlers are some of the best athletes in track and field, and you know he can throw from his completion percentage. Any QB that can win at Baylor has to be really good.
Has Barkley declared yet? I think he might stay another year in school, try to win a championship and be the #1 pick the next year.
As for RG3, he is a great prospect. 400M hurdlers are some of the best athletes in track and field, and you know he can throw from his completion percentage. Any QB that can win at Baylor has to be really good.
Has Barkley declared yet? I think he might stay another year in school, try to win a championship and be the #1 pick the next year.
Earlier in the year it was said that Barkley and Kalil would come out as a tandem and Kalil has declared for the draft. I don't know if Barkley has officially said he would.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Out of joy or sadness?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You're the only one that has brought it up in this thread though. It's fairly common knowledge that Griffin is highly intelligent. It's almost as if you WANT some one to call him a dummy so you can jump in and cry "racist".It's not at all ignorant... It's fact.Especially down in my neighbour to the south... but even up here in the north.That is a very ignorant statement to make.blessed by Tebow himself... what more can one ask for?Seriously, as has been mentioned, spread offense is not as big a deal as traditionally has been. Teams WILL adjust their scheme for a player of Griffin's qualities.I really like this kid.
Good lord, I can't wait to watch this kid in the pro's.
For some reason... I feel like people (some) see a black QB, and assume all run, no brains. Really don't mean to bring race into it, but I think it's true.
Master's or not, people don't associate black with "brilliant", far too often.
Denying that there is an immense stigma that blacks are less "intelligent" is, in itself, ignorant.
rizzler
Footballguy
Pure sadness.I want him on my Browns... but only out of Greed. would he thrive here? Likely not, unless we somehow lured him a weapon or two. Or if Little blooms quickly.
rizzler
Footballguy
Not at all. I'm merely making these statements from the same topic on other boards, and though discussion with friends.You're the only one that has brought it up in this thread though. It's fairly common knowledge that Griffin is highly intelligent. It's almost as if you WANT some one to call him a dummy so you can jump in and cry "racist".It's not at all ignorant... It's fact.Especially down in my neighbour to the south... but even up here in the north.That is a very ignorant statement to make.blessed by Tebow himself... what more can one ask for?Seriously, as has been mentioned, spread offense is not as big a deal as traditionally has been. Teams WILL adjust their scheme for a player of Griffin's qualities.I really like this kid.
Good lord, I can't wait to watch this kid in the pro's.
For some reason... I feel like people (some) see a black QB, and assume all run, no brains. Really don't mean to bring race into it, but I think it's true.
Master's or not, people don't associate black with "brilliant", far too often.
Denying that there is an immense stigma that blacks are less "intelligent" is, in itself, ignorant.
Through no fault of his own, Griffin is being portrayed as a "running QB", which to a degree, he is. But he also has numbers that overshadow those of Luck's, in the passing game.
It's more along the lines of the fact that people have seen McNabb, Young, Vick, Newton (to an extent) and just think "another gimmick QB". In fact, Ive had this argument with more than a few people who are completely unaware of the stats Griffin has put up in the passing game... Guys who watch College Ball, even.
When you tell it to them straight, they look at me like im a) an idiot b) lying to get a reaction.
Anyways, I don't care if he's white, black, yellow, purple, pink... It's about his game. ANd on this board at least, it seems to stay on course with that. But more often than not, it reverts to "gimmick QB". Even then, I don't pull the race card, even though it's likely 99% accurate that it's the direction they're headed.
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Footballguy
Please keep this on topic about RG3 skill and pro potential.
If anyone wants to discuss race, this is not the place.
If anyone wants to discuss race, this is not the place.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I find it hard to believe that someone "who watches College Ball" didn't know about the TD:Incompletion ratio he had going at the beginning of the year. Unless you mean someone who follows the local university but never watches Sportscenter.McNabb, Culpepper, McNair, Akili Smith, JaMarcus Russell, Jason Campbell, Byron Leftwich, and others I'm forgetting were not seen as "another gimmick QB". They were seen as pro-style QBs. That is not to say race didn't affect their evaluation, but to say they were seen as "gimmick QBs" is completely disingenuous.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I don't know why you keep harping on the stats angle. All of those guys you mentioned with the exception of Vick (and maybe Mcnabb, who lacked only attempts) had better passing stats in college than Luck or even Peyton did, yet they came with the same stigma. Heck, Tebow had better passing stats than Luck or Peyton and he came into league with most people considering him the worst passer the NFL had ever seen.I'm not disagreeing with you that RG3 is a good passer, but making the argument of "no no no guys, he's not just a runner like those other guys, look at his passing stats" is a bit silly when all those other guys had absurd passing stats too (and several of them did it against MUCH tougher defenses week in and week out).
cstu
Footballguy
College passing numbers mean squat in the NFL.Not at all. I'm merely making these statements from the same topic on other boards, and though discussion with friends.You're the only one that has brought it up in this thread though. It's fairly common knowledge that Griffin is highly intelligent. It's almost as if you WANT some one to call him a dummy so you can jump in and cry "racist".It's not at all ignorant... It's fact.Especially down in my neighbour to the south... but even up here in the north.That is a very ignorant statement to make.blessed by Tebow himself... what more can one ask for?Seriously, as has been mentioned, spread offense is not as big a deal as traditionally has been. Teams WILL adjust their scheme for a player of Griffin's qualities.I really like this kid.
Good lord, I can't wait to watch this kid in the pro's.
For some reason... I feel like people (some) see a black QB, and assume all run, no brains. Really don't mean to bring race into it, but I think it's true.
Master's or not, people don't associate black with "brilliant", far too often.
Denying that there is an immense stigma that blacks are less "intelligent" is, in itself, ignorant.
Through no fault of his own, Griffin is being portrayed as a "running QB", which to a degree, he is. But he also has numbers that overshadow those of Luck's, in the passing game.
It's more along the lines of the fact that people have seen McNabb, Young, Vick, Newton (to an extent) and just think "another gimmick QB". In fact, Ive had this argument with more than a few people who are completely unaware of the stats Griffin has put up in the passing game... Guys who watch College Ball, even.
When you tell it to them straight, they look at me like im a) an idiot b) lying to get a reaction.
Anyways, I don't care if he's white, black, yellow, purple, pink... It's about his game. ANd on this board at least, it seems to stay on course with that. But more often than not, it reverts to "gimmick QB". Even then, I don't pull the race card, even though it's likely 99% accurate that it's the direction they're headed.
cstu
Footballguy
There is no way in hell that the Colts will take a chance on trading away a possible 2nd Peyton Manning even if they perceive the other QB's to be close behind.
NorrisB
Footballguy
Luck and Luck
I never said they would.
Pipes
Footballguy
Stronger arm maybe but not a quicker release than RGIII
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
Who's this guy RG3? The best QB on the field last night, by a mile, was KP1.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You're obviously unfamiliar with Baylor's defense.Who's this guy RG3? The best QB on the field last night, by a mile, was KP1.
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
Wrong, I am. And I'm also very familiar with the defense RG3 was going up against.You're obviously unfamiliar with Baylor's defense.Who's this guy RG3? The best QB on the field last night, by a mile, was KP1.
rizzler
Footballguy
true, Washington's DEF is a stinker and a half, at 36pts/against per game...But chalk another one up for RG3, as his team put up more pts on the W, than Luck's Stanford did.(yep, I just did that. yep, it's annoying. yep, I'd be pissed if I saw someone else do this.. but I did it)Wrong, I am. And I'm also very familiar with the defense RG3 was going up against.You're obviously unfamiliar with Baylor's defense.Who's this guy RG3? The best QB on the field last night, by a mile, was KP1.
FavreCo
Footballguy
That's what I was thinking.
Kai's Hero
Footballguy
Two words ....... Keith Pricetrue, Washington's DEF is a stinker and a half, at 36pts/against per game...But chalk another one up for RG3, as his team put up more pts on the W, than Luck's Stanford did.(yep, I just did that. yep, it's annoying. yep, I'd be pissed if I saw someone else do this.. but I did it)Wrong, I am. And I'm also very familiar with the defense RG3 was going up against.You're obviously unfamiliar with Baylor's defense.Who's this guy RG3? The best QB on the field last night, by a mile, was KP1.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Kiper: 'No chance' Griffin III drafted ahead of Luck
Comments By Nate Davis, USA TODAY Baylor QB Robert Griffin III and Stanford QB Andrew Luck may have gone 1-2, respectively, when it came to Heisman Trophy voting in 2011, but don't expect that sequence to hold in the 2012 NFL draft.
"No chance," ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper said on SportsCenter on Thursday morning, reiterating that Luck is the most highly regarded prospect since fellow Cardinal QB John Elway in 1983.
Kiper also suggested Luck's supporting cast at Stanford wasn't as strong as the other offensive players surrounding Griffin at Baylor.
As for Griffin's NFL outlook?
"No question his stock is rising," said Kiper. "His bigger question is beating out (USC's) Matt Barkley.
"If you're looking for a battle for quarterback (in the draft), forget Andrew Luck ... the battle's Barkley and RGIII."
ESPN's Todd McShay called Luck a "once-in-a-decade type prospect" adding it's "Luck No. 1 and everybody else" while guessing Grifffin could go in the top 10-15 selections next spring.
looks like RGIII is at best the 3rd best prospect
Comments By Nate Davis, USA TODAY Baylor QB Robert Griffin III and Stanford QB Andrew Luck may have gone 1-2, respectively, when it came to Heisman Trophy voting in 2011, but don't expect that sequence to hold in the 2012 NFL draft.
"No chance," ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper said on SportsCenter on Thursday morning, reiterating that Luck is the most highly regarded prospect since fellow Cardinal QB John Elway in 1983.
Kiper also suggested Luck's supporting cast at Stanford wasn't as strong as the other offensive players surrounding Griffin at Baylor.
As for Griffin's NFL outlook?
"No question his stock is rising," said Kiper. "His bigger question is beating out (USC's) Matt Barkley.
"If you're looking for a battle for quarterback (in the draft), forget Andrew Luck ... the battle's Barkley and RGIII."
ESPN's Todd McShay called Luck a "once-in-a-decade type prospect" adding it's "Luck No. 1 and everybody else" while guessing Grifffin could go in the top 10-15 selections next spring.
looks like RGIII is at best the 3rd best prospect
geneyus
Footballguy
He'll get killed if he goes to the AFC North.
