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What does Vaccaro and Houston and fourth sound like for a second? Guy has nobody averaging over seven points at DB. Vaccaro is averaging twenty.
If you can get that, jump on it. I'd be surprised, though - even 4+Vaccaro for 3 is unlikely.What does Vaccaro and Houston and fourth sound like for a second? Guy has nobody averaging over seven points at DB. Vaccaro is averaging twenty.
New England Patriots gave up Doctson, Josh FA WR
Los Angeles Rams gave up Ogletree, Alec NYG LB
Los Angeles Rams gave up Brown, Zach FA LB; Year 2020 Round 6 Draft Pick from Pittsburgh Steelers
Seattle Seahawks gave up Smith, Telvin FA LB
Los Angeles Rams gave up Sheard, Jabaal IND DE; Marshall, Brandon FA LB; Van Noy, Kyle NEP LB; Year 2020 Round 4 Draft Pick from New York Giants
Seattle Seahawks gave up Year 2020 Round 3 Draft Pick from Seattle Seahawks
Los Angeles Rams gave up Burkhead, Rex NEP RB; Cobb, Randall DAL WR; McDougald, Bradley SEA S; Year 2020 Round 3 Draft Pick from New England Patriots
Chicago Bears gave up Guice, Derrius WAS RB
New England Patriots gave up Allen, Jonathan WAS DE; Year 2020 Round 5 Draft Pick from New England Patriots
Los Angeles Rams gave up Addison, Mario CAR DE
Los Angeles Rams gave up Davis, Thomas LAC LB; Reid, Eric CAR S
Seattle Seahawks gave up Year 2020 Round 4 Draft Pick from New York Giants
Los Angeles Rams gave up Quinn, Robert DAL DE; Year 2020 Round 6 Draft Pick from Los Angeles Rams
New York Giants gave up Year 2020 Round 4 Draft Pick from Atlanta Falcons
You seem to have plenty of draft picks. I would more look to get upside plays on younger guys that are behind someone that will be leaving or showing glimpses of some upper tier play when on the field in their minimal times. Owners sometimes want to hold on picks and are more willing to give up on project players for someone that can help now. If you hit on a few of those type deals you are competitive fairly quickly. This is where the research and watching them play is important. IDP is not as easy to find the diamond in the rough as you have to work a bit for it. But it gives you the opportunity to do just that if you do your homework.Ah, yes. Thanks for the contextualizing. My thinking can get quite obtuse, as the Big Lebowski might say. I have no three or five to speak of, but I get what you're saying. I have two firsts, two seconds, a fourth, and a sixth. Might be nice to throw a fourth in there for a three, though they certainly might value their three more than not. We'll see.
Thanks. I don't think I'm totally up to speed, but I subscribe to IDP Guys, check IDP Guru, look constantly at these threads, subscribe to Dynasty League Football, etc. I'm putting a bit of work in. Whether it's enough remains to be seen. I just have no FAAB to make anything work this year for me, otherwise I'd be more than competitive right away, actually.You seem to have plenty of draft picks. I would more look to get upside plays on younger guys that are behind someone that will be leaving or showing glimpses of some upper tier play when on the field in their minimal times. Owners sometimes want to hold on picks and are more willing to give up on project players for someone that can help now. If you hit on a few of those type deals you are competitive fairly quickly. This is where the research and watching them play is important. IDP is not as easy to find the diamond in the rough as you have to work a bit for it. But it gives you the opportunity to do just that if you do your homework.
Or do it Ebay style with a reserve that has to be met then you don't get totally screwed with only one bid.I’ve auctioned off a 6th before for FAB. Just a league-wide email saying you’ll sell it to the highest bidder. It could backfire and stick you with 1 FAB for it, but it might be worth a try.
This is a good point. These teams are usually around the bottom of the standings each year too, so you can sell them on the Zbucks for a pick to help your rebuild angle.Enderdog said:I went all in on a player nobody else bid on (it happens) in Zealots on the first waiver run a couple of Saturdays ago. I traded a 6th for $40 the next day.
There are always a couple of teams that lose around $200 at the ends of each season because they just don't spend it for whatever reason. It doesn't hurt to remind them of this.
I think you are checking the right spots. IDP guru and the podcast here is great. Fantasy sharks Gary Davenport is good too. I think a very useful tool is to look at defensive snaps too. It seems to correlate well with tackle production. I try to have guys with highest snap counts. IDP guru everydown linebacker list is great for tackle production. I also love the gems you can get by reading the blurbs from fantasy sharks and IDP guru. For example, it is where I learned Chinn was taking snaps at olb. And Ryan of giants is playing safety yet he is CB elligible as I understand it.Thanks. I don't think I'm totally up to speed, but I subscribe to IDP Guys, check IDP Guru, look constantly at these threads, subscribe to Dynasty League Football, etc. I'm putting a bit of work in. Whether it's enough remains to be seen. I just have no FAAB to make anything work this year for me, otherwise I'd be more than competitive right away, actually.
I'm starting Houston against the Jets or Clowney vs. Minnesota, but without a ton of confidence in Houston if he lines up opposite Becton. I'm just waiting for Clowney to round into shape. It's not easy to miss camp and come in and be an impact guy. Clowney is averaging seven points in my league, which isn't too bad, so I can't really complain about his performance. Same with Houston, actually.On my team I have a dilemma where Dante Fowler is questionable and is a game time decision. I am looking at just replacing him or streaming for a while. I’m considering Justin Houston.
Thanks for the thoughtful response. Actually, thanks to everybody upthread for thoughtful responses. But yeah, Mims was 2.4. My bad. I'm thinking that it was such a high pick it might as well have been a first-rounder. Lol.I had to look back at your draft b/c I thought you must have been wasted taking Mims at 1.4... 2.4 is much more reasonable. lol
I still think that's the right pick over Queen. While I understand and agree with the logic that taking an immediate starting lineup stud like Queen over the upside of a non-blue-chip WR, I still do not follow that logic when I draft. Like Tick (iirc?), I have had too much success with "next man up" LBs over the years. I let others pick LB in round 1 and 2 while I snap up the upside WR/RB. More important than that is your particular situation. When you are not expecting your team to be competitive, the stud LB that will score well right out of the gate is not great for your chances at a high pick the following season. Chances are high that there will be another stud LB (or more) in the next draft that you can draft when you need the starting lineup points to compete. Taking the WR that needs seasoning is better for a rebuilding team b/c they score less early on. Upside without immediate points is good for a rebuilding team.
ETA: Roster size makes a big difference in my draft strategy, though. My leagues are 50+ per team so there's room to add or carry some no-name guys based on an early summer blurb about them potentially taking over the MLB spot. Or to carry Kenny Young and Micah Kiser from May-September. lol
I'm actively doing so. I put him on the block after the first game so that people could see what they're getting. I've been -- while not rejected because I sent out feelers rather than offers -- turned down so far by the two teams I thought he might fit. I'll send out more offers forthcoming. I'll hold on to him for next year if he doesn't garner a late first to a win-now club. I don't see the value in a back-end 2nd round pick for him when he's scoring so many points when healthy, regardless of his twenty-eighth year. He's still got speed to burn.I'd shop Mostert. Maybe see if you can get Barkley-plus for Elliott?
Interesting. I feel the exact opposite with WR. Give me the LB studs and I'll take my chances at WR later. WR are too much of a crapshoot in tier 3. For every Allen Robinson there are half a dozen Christian Kirk upsiders that never pan out. I've always said I'd rather pay top dollar for a WR knowing what I'm getting than spending $5 on a dozen unknowns. This doesn't preclude taking those filler LB's, you can still accumulate them and flip for equity, or trade 2-for-1 for a better one, or my personal favorite is using them as throw-ins on bigger deals. Nothing better than using Eric Wilson to be the closer in a deal for DK Metcalf. This year was a bit more difficult because I really liked in particular Higgins, Aiyuk, and Edwards at their ADP's but I'm going LB at equal ADP levels.I had to look back at your draft b/c I thought you must have been wasted taking Mims at 1.4... 2.4 is much more reasonable. lol
I still think that's the right pick over Queen. While I understand and agree with the logic that taking an immediate starting lineup stud like Queen over the upside of a non-blue-chip WR, I still do not follow that logic when I draft. Like Tick (iirc?), I have had too much success with "next man up" LBs over the years. I let others pick LB in round 1 and 2 while I snap up the upside WR/RB. More important than that is your particular situation. When you are not expecting your team to be competitive, the stud LB that will score well right out of the gate is not great for your chances at a high pick the following season. Chances are high that there will be another stud LB (or more) in the next draft that you can draft when you need the starting lineup points to compete. Taking the WR that needs seasoning is better for a rebuilding team b/c they score less early on. Upside without immediate points is good for a rebuilding team.
ETA: Roster size makes a big difference in my draft strategy, though. My leagues are 50+ per team so there's room to add or carry some no-name guys based on an early summer blurb about them potentially taking over the MLB spot. Or to carry Kenny Young and Micah Kiser from May-September. lol
Am I reading the bolded correctly that you offered Zeke, Boyd and your 2021 1st for Barkley? I could be in the minority here, but I think you are lucky the other owner didn't jump all over that offer.I'm actively doing so. I put him on the block after the first game so that people could see what they're getting. I've been -- while not rejected because I sent out feelers rather than offers -- turned down so far by the two teams I thought he might fit. I'll send out more offers forthcoming. I'll hold on to him for next year if he doesn't garner a late first to a win-now club. I don't see the value in a back-end 2nd round pick for him when he's scoring so many points when healthy, regardless of his twenty-eighth year. He's still got speed to burn.
As far as Barkley-plus goes, I don't think I'm getting that. I already tried to trade for him pre-injury with Boyd, a first, and Elliott. I thought that was a decent offer. I got no response. That said, he's not that much younger than Elliott and will have missed 1.5 seasons out of 3 already. I'm thinking of sticking with Elliott. Shopping Elliott to a contender only comes if I get a windfall for him. Otherwise, I can't really deal for pennies on the dollar in that instance. Best to hope some savvy managing and rookie development on the defensive side of the ball will get me to a two-year window with him rather than without. I've got the foundation at QB in Mahomes in Newton, will hopefully have it at RB and WR once the next draft comes, lack it at LB and TE, especially. DB and DE are borderline fine/average/better than average.
Here is the RB and WR corps. Start 2 or 3 RBs and 4 or 5 WRs.
RB
Boone, Mike MIN RB (Q) 4.00 7
Breida, Matt MIA RB 7.00 11
Dillon, AJ GBP RB (R) 3.10 5
Edmonds, Chase ARI RB 15.85 8
Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB 45.40 10
Hyde, Carlos SEA RB 13.00 6
Mostert, Raheem SFO RB (O) 40.80 11
Robinson, James JAC RB (R) 56.90 7
WR
Cephus, Quintez DET WR (R)15.705
Chark, D.J. JAC WR (O) 23.90 7
Davis, Corey TEN WR 29.70 7
Edwards, Bryan LVR WR (R) 8.10 6
Gandy-Golden, Antonio WAS WR (R) 1.30 8
Godwin, Chris TBB WR 15.90 13
Hightower, John PHI WR (R) 0.80 9
Johnson, Tyler TBB WR (R)‐13
McLaurin, Terry WAS WR 36.60 8
Ruggs, Henry LVR WR (R) (O) 11.40 6
Smith, Tre'Quan NOS WR 15.00 6
Williams, Preston MIA WR 20.40 11
Yeah, I think so. I think I remember reading in my transaction log that I had offered that. It might have been Elliott, Boyd, and a 1st for Saquon and Diggs or Brown. That sounds more like it, but who knows?Am I reading the bolded correctly that you offered Zeke, Boyd and your 2021 1st for Barkley? I could be in the minority here, but I think you are lucky the other owner didn't jump all over that offer.
So where were you when I needed you? JK, man. On that note, Edwards looks to be a bit banged-up with his knee, and it looked worse than I'm hearing. We'll know soon, I guess. Queen is apparently overrunning and overreacting to everything and Harbaugh has Fort in a lot over he and Harrison. Queen has taken the field for about 72% or so of the snaps. No bueno for Queen GMs, who thought he'd come in and play every single down, though he's scored decently.Interesting. I feel the exact opposite with WR. Give me the LB studs and I'll take my chances at WR later.
Pre-injury though, that's what it would have taken for him.Am I reading the bolded correctly that you offered Zeke, Boyd and your 2021 1st for Barkley? I could be in the minority here, but I think you are lucky the other owner didn't jump all over that offer.
This right here. Maybe more, and apparently so.Pre-injury though, that's what it would have taken for him.
OK. Like I said, I'm in the minority then. Because I don't see the gap between Zeke and Barkley to be equal to an early to mid 1st rounder and Boyd. Before the injury or after for that matter.Pre-injury though, that's what it would have taken for him.
Ertz and Freeman for a 1st is a bull#### offer.Was offered Ertz and Devonta Freeman for a first-rounder. I didn't counter. I couldn't see anything that would be the foundation for a counter, so I just rejected the offer. This was late last week. I forgot to mention it because it wasn't much of a thought -- I don't want to burn the first unless I'm really in shape for a run to in it. (Don't worry. I'm not.) That's almost a first for free. If he wanted to do D'Andre Swift and Diontae Johnson (two guys he has) for a first, then we could talk, but he'd never take that, so I didn't even insult him. Just thanked him for the offer, said it was a pleasure and would look forward to anything else he thought of.
On the IDP side of the ball this week I did really well. Very happy with the results outside of Chase Young, and it's being said his groin isn't that serious. I expect a week or two off from him. I'll just start Odenigbo instead, who's averaging nine points the past two weeks, which is a happy circumstance right now. He took a donut his first game and killed me on DL.
Clowney is still on the block, without a great performance to get anyone movin'.
So where were you when I needed you? JK, man. On that note, Edwards looks to be a bit banged-up with his knee, and it looked worse than I'm hearing. We'll know soon, I guess. Queen is apparently overrunning and overreacting to everything and Harbaugh has Fort in a lot over he and Harrison. Queen has taken the field for about 72% or so of the snaps. No bueno for Queen GMs, who thought he'd come in and play every single down, though he's scored decently.
Thanks. It's a terrible offer. It's a "let's see if I can dump some guys on you and get a great pick back" offer. Guy probably thinks I don't know at all what I'm doing. Which I don't necessarily, but I have guideposts, at least.The Future Champs said:Ertz and Freeman for a 1st is a bull#### offer.
Give Queen plenty of time to figure it out. Maybe the time is spent on your bench, but nevertheless...
I want no part of Freeman, but Ertz is still valuable. Or is the thought that Ertz's value is down because Philly will let him walk and roll with Goedert next season?The Future Champs said:Ertz and Freeman for a 1st is a bull#### offer.
Give Queen plenty of time to figure it out. Maybe the time is spent on your bench, but nevertheless...
No, it isn't that terrible, but it is certainly a dump offer, even if Ertz is worth a good second at this point. I would have countered with Diontae, but he already told me Diontae wasn't really available last time and I didn't want to irritate a future potential partner.I want no part of Freeman, but Ertz is still valuable. Or is the thought that Ertz's value is down because Philly will let him walk and roll with Goedert next season?
I wouldn't have taken the trade, but it isn't so awful that I wouldn't counter with Diontae Johnson (who Rock said was on the other owner's roster) and Ertz for the 1st.
Rock also mentioned Swift, but I want no part of Matt P and the Lions RBs.
Diontae instead of Freeman would be a significant upgrade, and yes, Ertz still has some value, and I do think this is his last year in Philly.I want no part of Freeman, but Ertz is still valuable. Or is the thought that Ertz's value is down because Philly will let him walk and roll with Goedert next season?
I wouldn't have taken the trade, but it isn't so awful that I wouldn't counter with Diontae Johnson (who Rock said was on the other owner's roster) and Ertz for the 1st.
Rock also mentioned Swift, but I want no part of Matt P and the Lions RBs.
With IDP, I find my teams get better if I draft players I want to watch and I think are anchors. Just took Derrick Brown at the end of the 4th in a 16 team, 11 IDP league - we need to start a DT and all I had was Sheldon Richardson.
Shel has really looked great.DL
Richardson, Sheldon
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After reading Eyes Of The Guru, cuts changed a bit
If he's still available you should pick him back up.Richardson recorded four tackles, a sack and a pass breakup in Sunday's 34-20 win over Washington.
Spin: Richardson now has two sacks through three games, and he sits just one sack shy of last year's total through 16 games. The 29-year-old has also played at least 61 percent of defensive snaps in every game this season. He doesn't pile up tackles, but the recent trend in sacks is encouraging for his IDP prospects.
I think I've been involved with more trades than my leaguemates have been entire years.I have Mostert in a few leagues and I can't even get a response when trying to see if anyone's interested. Nobody seems to believe in him. At this point, I've given up and will just start him until something changes. I'm not great at trading either - I get by on volume, which probably drives my leaguemates nuts.
I have never understood why this is in place....especially in dynasty leagues where much of the value is longer term. You should be able to trade any player at any time....realizing if you trade a guy that has already played (whether in your lineup or not) the transition actually takes place for the next week. So if he is in your lineup you still get the current week points and if he is not the other guy still can't put him in his lineup.I think I've been involved with more trades than my leaguemates have been entire years.
And I'm still not done. There's a lot of work tot do. I negotiated all night to give Denzel Mims, James Robinson, Corey Davis, and a sixth for Cooper Kupp, DeVante Parker, Jon Bostic and ten blind bidding bucks, but Mims has already played and was ineligible to trade. The owner wants Mims and wanted to do it piecemeal, but that sounds too much like collusion to me so I said no and that all bets were off because of Sunday. Tentative agreements are a bad practice, in my experience. You can either trade or you can't. No wait and sees...
At least that's what I think. We'll see how he responds when he gets the email. I assume not great, as he's been pretty insistent on Robinson and negotiating, but not so insistent on paying up for him. Such is life.
I pray for my players every weekend. RNGesus abandons me at least 50% of the time.So...update on the offensive side and Bostic: Guy said he prayed on it over the weekend, and since the trade didn't go through, it was God telling him something. Namely, not to give too much. So, no trade.
But I now have a very inventive decline I can talk about. Still have Robinson, Mims, Davis, and company.
Right up until your opponent starts Dalvin Cook against you on Thursday night, then trades him to another donkey for CEH and he starts CEH against you. He used his same asset twice in the same week. Yes, that's some % the fault of the other owner for allowing it but it's also a BS result to have to deal with. You only get to benefit from a guy once per week. Same concept if the guy didn't play but he tacks him on - Damien Harris goes for 25 on Thursday so your opponent send Harris and Rodgers for Mahomes.I have never understood why this is in place....especially in dynasty leagues where much of the value is longer term. You should be able to trade any player at any time....realizing if you trade a guy that has already played (whether in your lineup or not) the transition actually takes place for the next week. So if he is in your lineup you still get the current week points and if he is not the other guy still can't put him in his lineup.
Not allowing this is wrong to me.
That makes sense. It can be solved by not allowing traded assets to play in the current week if anybody from the transaction has already played instead of not allowing the trade to happen.Right up until your opponent starts Dalvin Cook against you on Thursday night, then trades him to another donkey for CEH and he starts CEH against you. He used his same asset twice in the same week. Yes, that's some % the fault of the other owner for allowing it but it's also a BS result to have to deal with. You only get to benefit from a guy once per week. Same concept if the guy didn't play but he tacks him on - Damien Harris goes for 25 on Thursday so your opponent send Harris and Rodgers for Mahomes.
But then you get into the 2nd part of my example. Even if the guy wasn't started he might let the owner squeeze out a trade he wouldn't have had the other guy not seen him play. If Damien Harris fumbles twice and gets benched that Rodgers/Mahomes trade may not happen., Or if it's a guy that's hurt and the other owner just wanted to make sure he was healthy before committing to the trade. Now owner A gets to use the player's equity from Thursday to affect his lineup on Sunday with the benefit of hindsight.That makes sense. It can be solved by not allowing traded assets to play in the current week if anybody from the transaction has already played instead of not allowing the trade to happen.
Wait, can I trade my McKinnon shares for Harris? To the trade offers!Or the best one - "I didn't need Harris but once Joe Banana tested positive for COVID I had no bench options, so here's Harris for McKinnon".