Rocky McIntosh (1 Viewer)

[WOW6616]

On the Redskins depth chart McIntosh is listed as the WILB, he had 8 solos 2 assists 1 sack and 1 pass defended. London Fletcher who is listed as the SILB had 7 solos and 4 assists. Anyone who watched the game know who stayed in on passing downs? Who has more value going forward?

 

[Nightly Mistake]

I know for a fact Fletcher was in there on passing downs. He's always in.

I'm pretty sure McIntosh was in on at least some passing downs, perhaps getting pulled in some packages. I vaguely recall his tackles seeming to come more on running plays.

 

[Sidewinder16]

McIntosh played every snap.

 

[WOW6616]

McIntosh played every snap.

Thanks Sidewinder16

 

[hippyk]

Man, so I guess McIntosh is the guy to own? Fletcher being the SILB. Wish I would have known that before trading for Fletcher.

McIntosh played every snap.

Thanks Sidewinder16

 

[Mistabishi]

McIntosh played every snap.

Thanks Sidewinder16

Thanks from me too.

 

[Jayrod]

So a couple of weeks before the season, I asked a question about Rocky now being a 3-down ILB in some catchall IDP thread and got no response.

Meanwhile Boley has lots of commentary and looks to be an every down WLB.

So I decide to pull the trigger on Boley and another owner grabs Rocky a week later.

Now I'm really kicking myself because NY looks to be switching up their LB's for different personell packages and Rocky never comes off of the field. Awesome. My gut said to grab Rocky for multiple reasons, but I bought into the Boley hype.

The more I do this thing, the more I realize that opportunity is the first factor to consider with IDP. Next is scheme and finally talent....but without the snaps, the rest doesn't matter.

 

[Nightly Mistake]

So a couple of weeks before the season, I asked a question about Rocky now being a 3-down ILB in some catchall IDP thread and got no response.Meanwhile Boley has lots of commentary and looks to be an every down WLB.So I decide to pull the trigger on Boley and another owner grabs Rocky a week later.Now I'm really kicking myself because NY looks to be switching up their LB's for different personell packages and Rocky never comes off of the field. Awesome. My gut said to grab Rocky for multiple reasons, but I bought into the Boley hype.The more I do this thing, the more I realize that opportunity is the first factor to consider with IDP. Next is scheme and finally talent....but without the snaps, the rest doesn't matter.

As a 'Skins fan I'll tell you, we simply didn't know exactly how this would go prior to the season. It's a new scheme, which doesn't really fit the personnel well (this defense was built as a 4-3), and one of the question marks was McIntosh. All we knew was that Fletcher and Landry and the two CB's would be on the field a lot; otherwise it was up in the air.

 

[Jene Bramel]

So a couple of weeks before the season, I asked a question about Rocky now being a 3-down ILB in some catchall IDP thread and got no response.

Meanwhile Boley has lots of commentary and looks to be an every down WLB.

So I decide to pull the trigger on Boley and another owner grabs Rocky a week later.

Now I'm really kicking myself because NY looks to be switching up their LB's for different personell packages and Rocky never comes off of the field. Awesome. My gut said to grab Rocky for multiple reasons, but I bought into the Boley hype.

The more I do this thing, the more I realize that opportunity is the first factor to consider with IDP. Next is scheme and finally talent....but without the snaps, the rest doesn't matter.

With the continued increase in traffic, it's sometimes hard to get to every post. The level of conversation has been so good and covering so many players lately that it's probably time to start considering a search by player name like folks do in the SP.This isn't particular to you, Jayrod, but as an example, there have been a few notes on McIntosh in the Forum and subscriber content throughout the summer.

From Aug 15 in the Training Camp Blog thread:

Things noted from the early preseason games and post-game comments:

**Rocky McIntosh at WILB and in the nickel. Andre Carter started at LOLB.

From the Gut IDP Aug 24

***I'm not down on London Fletcher in Washington's new 3-4 as much as I love the value of Rocky McIntosh. This 3-4 scheme won't be as favorable as Miami's, but McIntosh is playing the WILB position and he's been taking all the nickel snaps thus far in the preseason. I've been burned on guys like Keith Brooking and Kevin Burnett in the past two seasons in a similar situation, but there's no reason not to continue to take shots at this kind of upside with your last linebacker roster spot. If McIntosh hits, he's a LB2. If he flops, he's much easier to cut than a Lawrence Timmons or Keith Bulluck or James Harrison.

McIntosh was also noted as an every-down linebacker throughout the preseason in the every-down linebacker thread and was discussed in the preseason roundtable podcasts.To be fair, I've argued that Boley was in the same tier as McIntosh (and possibly a half-tier higher). The usage patterns surprised me this week, too. It'll be interesting to see how that develops over the next 2-3 weeks, since I'd expect many nickel snaps and heavy duty for Boley against the Colts this week.

 

[Jayrod]

So a couple of weeks before the season, I asked a question about Rocky now being a 3-down ILB in some catchall IDP thread and got no response.

Meanwhile Boley has lots of commentary and looks to be an every down WLB.

So I decide to pull the trigger on Boley and another owner grabs Rocky a week later.

Now I'm really kicking myself because NY looks to be switching up their LB's for different personell packages and Rocky never comes off of the field. Awesome. My gut said to grab Rocky for multiple reasons, but I bought into the Boley hype.

The more I do this thing, the more I realize that opportunity is the first factor to consider with IDP. Next is scheme and finally talent....but without the snaps, the rest doesn't matter.

With the continued increase in traffic, it's sometimes hard to get to every post. The level of conversation has been so good and covering so many players lately that it's probably time to start considering a search by player name like folks do in the SP.This isn't particular to you, Jayrod, but as an example, there have been a few notes on McIntosh in the Forum and subscriber content throughout the summer.

From Aug 15 in the Training Camp Blog thread:

Things noted from the early preseason games and post-game comments:

**Rocky McIntosh at WILB and in the nickel. Andre Carter started at LOLB.

From the Gut IDP Aug 24

***I'm not down on London Fletcher in Washington's new 3-4 as much as I love the value of Rocky McIntosh. This 3-4 scheme won't be as favorable as Miami's, but McIntosh is playing the WILB position and he's been taking all the nickel snaps thus far in the preseason. I've been burned on guys like Keith Brooking and Kevin Burnett in the past two seasons in a similar situation, but there's no reason not to continue to take shots at this kind of upside with your last linebacker roster spot. If McIntosh hits, he's a LB2. If he flops, he's much easier to cut than a Lawrence Timmons or Keith Bulluck or James Harrison.

McIntosh was also noted as an every-down linebacker throughout the preseason in the every-down linebacker thread and was discussed in the preseason roundtable podcasts.To be fair, I've argued that Boley was in the same tier as McIntosh (and possibly a half-tier higher). The usage patterns surprised me this week, too. It'll be interesting to see how that develops over the next 2-3 weeks, since I'd expect many nickel snaps and heavy duty for Boley against the Colts this week.

Shoot, Jene, I didn't mean for that to sound like I was mad at you guys for not touting him enough. I'm mad at myself for not diving into it further and noting that he was going to be on the field all of the time. I read most of the IDP pre-season articles and have gained a ton of insight from them.I just wish I had gone more with my gut on this one. I owned Rocky in my IDP league a couple of years ago and I loved how consistant he was, but gained some other better options over time and dropped him. My gut reaction to hearing he was an every down guy and seeing him on the weakside was that I wanted him, but I only had room for one more guy at the time. I was sold on Bolely simply because there was more discussion on him and I thought I would be just swinging for the fences with my LB5. I knew the unknown was a risk, but it was the same with McIntosh. Now with the injury to Levy, I was pressed to start Boley and now I'm wondering what to do with him. (I've since picked up Andra Davis and dropped a backup D-lineman)

 

[hippyk]

Thanks Jene! How does McIntosh's move impact Fletcher? Does Fletcher still remain the tackle machine we have all known in the past or does McIntosh pass him as the guy to own?

So a couple of weeks before the season, I asked a question about Rocky now being a 3-down ILB in some catchall IDP thread and got no response.

Meanwhile Boley has lots of commentary and looks to be an every down WLB.

So I decide to pull the trigger on Boley and another owner grabs Rocky a week later.

Now I'm really kicking myself because NY looks to be switching up their LB's for different personell packages and Rocky never comes off of the field. Awesome. My gut said to grab Rocky for multiple reasons, but I bought into the Boley hype.

The more I do this thing, the more I realize that opportunity is the first factor to consider with IDP. Next is scheme and finally talent....but without the snaps, the rest doesn't matter.

With the continued increase in traffic, it's sometimes hard to get to every post. The level of conversation has been so good and covering so many players lately that it's probably time to start considering a search by player name like folks do in the SP.This isn't particular to you, Jayrod, but as an example, there have been a few notes on McIntosh in the Forum and subscriber content throughout the summer.

From Aug 15 in the Training Camp Blog thread:

Things noted from the early preseason games and post-game comments:

**Rocky McIntosh at WILB and in the nickel. Andre Carter started at LOLB.

From the Gut IDP Aug 24

***I'm not down on London Fletcher in Washington's new 3-4 as much as I love the value of Rocky McIntosh. This 3-4 scheme won't be as favorable as Miami's, but McIntosh is playing the WILB position and he's been taking all the nickel snaps thus far in the preseason. I've been burned on guys like Keith Brooking and Kevin Burnett in the past two seasons in a similar situation, but there's no reason not to continue to take shots at this kind of upside with your last linebacker roster spot. If McIntosh hits, he's a LB2. If he flops, he's much easier to cut than a Lawrence Timmons or Keith Bulluck or James Harrison.

McIntosh was also noted as an every-down linebacker throughout the preseason in the every-down linebacker thread and was discussed in the preseason roundtable podcasts.To be fair, I've argued that Boley was in the same tier as McIntosh (and possibly a half-tier higher). The usage patterns surprised me this week, too. It'll be interesting to see how that develops over the next 2-3 weeks, since I'd expect many nickel snaps and heavy duty for Boley against the Colts this week.

 

[dgreen]

Thanks Jene! How does McIntosh's move impact Fletcher? Does Fletcher still remain the tackle machine we have all known in the past or does McIntosh pass him as the guy to own?

In week 1, they were basically identical players when it came to tackles. McIntosh had 8-2 and Fletcher had 7-4.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Thanks Jene! How does McIntosh's move impact Fletcher? Does Fletcher still remain the tackle machine we have all known in the past or does McIntosh pass him as the guy to own?

Discussed this on the podcast this week if you're interested in a little more flavor.The two are (sort of) independent. The roles are similar to what they've been in the past, with McIntosh's being slightly better and Fletcher's slightly worse depending on how many blockers get to him on the second level.It was a tale of two halves last week. Fletcher played well in both, but the results were different. For most of the first half, Fletcher played very well downhill but was taking on a lot of offensive lineman at the point of attack and leaving the scraps to Landry and McIntosh. Later in the first half and most of the second, Fletcher didn't use himself as a missile as much as filling, engaging and shedding and his tackle numbers improved. McIntosh and Landry still did well for themselves.It'll be interesting to see which Fletcher shows up more often and if his body can hold up if the Redskins don't keep guards from scraping up to hit him on 75% of the run plays.Right now, I think it's reasonably close. Both mid-LB2 with upside in any given week. Once the Haynesworth situation settles, it might be a little more clear. I'm nervous that both may have trouble making it through a full season, though.

 

[hippyk]

Thank you Jene!

Thanks Jene! How does McIntosh's move impact Fletcher? Does Fletcher still remain the tackle machine we have all known in the past or does McIntosh pass him as the guy to own?

Discussed this on the podcast this week if you're interested in a little more flavor.The two are (sort of) independent. The roles are similar to what they've been in the past, with McIntosh's being slightly better and Fletcher's slightly worse depending on how many blockers get to him on the second level.It was a tale of two halves last week. Fletcher played well in both, but the results were different. For most of the first half, Fletcher played very well downhill but was taking on a lot of offensive lineman at the point of attack and leaving the scraps to Landry and McIntosh. Later in the first half and most of the second, Fletcher didn't use himself as a missile as much as filling, engaging and shedding and his tackle numbers improved. McIntosh and Landry still did well for themselves.It'll be interesting to see which Fletcher shows up more often and if his body can hold up if the Redskins don't keep guards from scraping up to hit him on 75% of the run plays.Right now, I think it's reasonably close. Both mid-LB2 with upside in any given week. Once the Haynesworth situation settles, it might be a little more clear. I'm nervous that both may have trouble making it through a full season, though.

 

[BuckeyeChaos]

how would you rank McIntosh with guys like Lofa Tatupu and D Johnson of KC? Who would you rather have for your backup LB?

 

[PhantomJB]

how would you rank McIntosh with guys like Lofa Tatupu and D Johnson of KC? Who would you rather have for your backup LB?

Yes. I am looking for the same type of relative ranking vs. guys like Gary Brackett and Daryl Washington. In fact, Jene would it be possible to talk about McIntosh in relation to the LB tier article written in August (without discussing too much specific content, of course)? In that article he was slotted as "LB4 depth with upside." I'm assuming Week 1 changed that thinking or maybe the jury is still out. Gets to WW decision making while guys are still available.

 

[Jene Bramel]

how would you rank McIntosh with guys like Lofa Tatupu and D Johnson of KC? Who would you rather have for your backup LB?

Yes. I am looking for the same type of relative ranking vs. guys like Gary Brackett and Daryl Washington. In fact, Jene would it be possible to talk about McIntosh in relation to the LB tier article written in August (without discussing too much specific content, of course)? In that article he was slotted as "LB4 depth with upside." I'm assuming Week 1 changed that thinking or maybe the jury is still out. Gets to WW decision making while guys are still available.

Unless you're in a deep league, hopefully you've got McIntosh rostered as your presumptive LB4 or LB5. It would appear he's hitting his upside -- the role is right, he's got a track record of production when healthy, and he's healthy. I don't think one game puts him into the start every week regardless of matchup category, so he gets bumped into that monstrous LB2/LB3 tier that fluctuates every week based on matchups.Though some of it is early season sample size related, the matchups have been tough to call in the first two weeks. Poor teams playing poor teams, good teams playing good teams. I had a very hard time pulling a second situation to highlight in my Poor Tackle Opp Matchup section this week and finally decided not to push it and left it at just one highlight after doing much the same thing last week.But I think that's what you'll do with guys in this category until someone declares himself more or less useful.Using the guys in the posts above as a general example this week...Rocky McIntosh >> Good WILB with strong competition for tackles v above-average matchup >> Safe LB2.Lofa Tatupu >> Okay MLB with average competition for tackles v so-so matchup >> LB3.Derrick Johnson >> Very good WILB with below average competition for tackles, v so-so matchup, big play upside >> Strong LB2Gary Brackett >> Poss declining MLB with strong competition for tackles v great matchup >> Risky LB2.Daryl Washington >> WILB with upside, base defensive only, avg comp for tackles, decent matchup >> Risky LB3.Current rest of season expectation considering talent and current role with some crystal ball of change factored in...McIntosh >> LB3 with upside (trending up)Tatupu >> LB3Johnson >> LB2 with upside (trending up)Brackett >> LB3 (unclear decline vs opportunity upside will make him either LB3+ or LB4 soon)Washington >> Matchup LB4 (with LB2 upside bubbling under the surface)Run the same process with about 20 other names and you're getting somewhere.

 

[BuckeyeChaos]

how would you rank McIntosh with guys like Lofa Tatupu and D Johnson of KC? Who would you rather have for your backup LB?

Yes. I am looking for the same type of relative ranking vs. guys like Gary Brackett and Daryl Washington. In fact, Jene would it be possible to talk about McIntosh in relation to the LB tier article written in August (without discussing too much specific content, of course)? In that article he was slotted as "LB4 depth with upside." I'm assuming Week 1 changed that thinking or maybe the jury is still out. Gets to WW decision making while guys are still available.

Unless you're in a deep league, hopefully you've got McIntosh rostered as your presumptive LB4 or LB5. It would appear he's hitting his upside -- the role is right, he's got a track record of production when healthy, and he's healthy. I don't think one game puts him into the start every week regardless of matchup category, so he gets bumped into that monstrous LB2/LB3 tier that fluctuates every week based on matchups.Though some of it is early season sample size related, the matchups have been tough to call in the first two weeks. Poor teams playing poor teams, good teams playing good teams. I had a very hard time pulling a second situation to highlight in my Poor Tackle Opp Matchup section this week and finally decided not to push it and left it at just one highlight after doing much the same thing last week.But I think that's what you'll do with guys in this category until someone declares himself more or less useful.Using the guys in the posts above as a general example this week...Rocky McIntosh >> Good WILB with strong competition for tackles v above-average matchup >> Safe LB2.Lofa Tatupu >> Okay MLB with average competition for tackles v so-so matchup >> LB3.Derrick Johnson >> Very good WILB with below average competition for tackles, v so-so matchup, big play upside >> Strong LB2Gary Brackett >> Poss declining MLB with strong competition for tackles v great matchup >> Risky LB2.Daryl Washington >> WILB with upside, base defensive only, avg comp for tackles, decent matchup >> Risky LB3.Current rest of season expectation considering talent and current role with some crystal ball of change factored in...McIntosh >> LB3 with upside (trending up)Tatupu >> LB3Johnson >> LB2 with upside (trending up)Brackett >> LB3 (unclear decline vs opportunity upside will make him either LB3+ or LB4 soon)Washington >> Matchup LB4 (with LB2 upside bubbling under the surface)Run the same process with about 20 other names and you're getting somewhere.

Thanks Jene

 

[PhantomJB]

how would you rank McIntosh with guys like Lofa Tatupu and D Johnson of KC? Who would you rather have for your backup LB?

Yes. I am looking for the same type of relative ranking vs. guys like Gary Brackett and Daryl Washington. In fact, Jene would it be possible to talk about McIntosh in relation to the LB tier article written in August (without discussing too much specific content, of course)? In that article he was slotted as "LB4 depth with upside." I'm assuming Week 1 changed that thinking or maybe the jury is still out. Gets to WW decision making while guys are still available.

Unless you're in a deep league, hopefully you've got McIntosh rostered as your presumptive LB4 or LB5. It would appear he's hitting his upside -- the role is right, he's got a track record of production when healthy, and he's healthy. I don't think one game puts him into the start every week regardless of matchup category, so he gets bumped into that monstrous LB2/LB3 tier that fluctuates every week based on matchups.Though some of it is early season sample size related, the matchups have been tough to call in the first two weeks. Poor teams playing poor teams, good teams playing good teams. I had a very hard time pulling a second situation to highlight in my Poor Tackle Opp Matchup section this week and finally decided not to push it and left it at just one highlight after doing much the same thing last week.But I think that's what you'll do with guys in this category until someone declares himself more or less useful.Using the guys in the posts above as a general example this week...Rocky McIntosh >> Good WILB with strong competition for tackles v above-average matchup >> Safe LB2.Lofa Tatupu >> Okay MLB with average competition for tackles v so-so matchup >> LB3.Derrick Johnson >> Very good WILB with below average competition for tackles, v so-so matchup, big play upside >> Strong LB2Gary Brackett >> Poss declining MLB with strong competition for tackles v great matchup >> Risky LB2.Daryl Washington >> WILB with upside, base defensive only, avg comp for tackles, decent matchup >> Risky LB3.Current rest of season expectation considering talent and current role with some crystal ball of change factored in...McIntosh >> LB3 with upside (trending up)Tatupu >> LB3Johnson >> LB2 with upside (trending up)Brackett >> LB3 (unclear decline vs opportunity upside will make him either LB3+ or LB4 soon)Washington >> Matchup LB4 (with LB2 upside bubbling under the surface)Run the same process with about 20 other names and you're getting somewhere.

Thanks Jene

x2. Above and beyond the call of duty, as always. Especially helpful early like this when there is a lot in flux coming out of the preseason.Warning: FBG props below.The Reading the Defense article this week was a phenomenal read. For those that haven't read Dr. Bramel's stuff in the past, it is well worth the time as it not only is very educational but seems to always get to the heart of key IDP decision-making.

 

[alg]

Nice analysis Jene.

 

[John 14:6]

You're amazing, Jene. You should be working in a commentator booth. I've never heard such detailed analysis of defenses.

 

[Slevin Kelevra]

Any news on Rocky concussion ?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Any news on Rocky concussion ?

He practiced at full speed today and is expected to play on Sunday.

 

[Slevin Kelevra]

Any news on Rocky concussion ?

He practiced at full speed today and is expected to play on Sunday.

Thanks

 

[Badm]

Reading on skins message board that Fox has a chance to compete with Rocky.

 

[future_itisnow]

McIntosh is currently penciled in as a starter on the inside with Fletcher. 2010 all over again as it stands now. Fox was listed as Fletcher's backup on the depth chart released this morning.

http://www.redskins.com/team/depth-chart.html

Perry Riley owners were holding out hope that he would get his shot this season...not likely now.