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Sleeper? If you mean the kind that falls asleep waiting for a pass to be thrown his way then yeah. Seriously, the Falcons are a running team with a running QB that throws sometimes to his TE. Every once in a while he screws up the play and the ball sails long and a WR is there to catch it.As for White v Jenkins, they are both pretty good and would be stars on other teams. They probably look forward to see who can claim the first 40 catches between them. Afterall, that's about what they'll get if they're lucky.
As a #4 or #5 I'd say that works well.I guess I don't know what I'm doing then because I picked him up in 3 of my 4 Survivor drafts as my WR4 or WR5.
Back on topic... It's not an extremely unlikely event that Atlanta ranks near the bottom in receiving yards like last year (2900) and comes with with a good fantasy WR.
45/600/3
I can't answer for Diesel, but I expect Roddy to score more than Jenkins for a couple of reasons:1) White is the speed, burner, #1 WR; Jenkins is the #2 possession type
Better WR and will be a more focal point of the offense.Jenkins is very pedestrian IMO.
So is Vick as a passer. Until I see it I'll believe it. And only at the expense of Crumpler and Jenkins as well and that make the odds even longer. Sounds like the White "fluff" piece is fooling a few folks into believeing that despite several years of proven inability to effectively throw the football that somehow it's alll changing this year? Yeah right.
Don't you mean that you'll believe it when you see it?Anyway, ATL attempted 60 more passes in 2005 than they did in 2004. They increased their WR production by 13 receptions, 300 yards and 2 TDs. With Dunn a year older, Duckett on the trading block and Norwood a rookie, I think those trends continue this season. So even if Vick makes no progress as a passer, I think they may throw it 40-50 more times, completing 15-20 of those to WRs. Reading the White "fluff" piece makes me think that he is progressing as the #1 WR they anticipated and therefore he should command a greater percentage of the increase in production than Jenkins. Again, we're leaving Crumpler's production and Vick's passing ability constant. If Crumpler goes through some injuries or something, or (Gasp!) Vick gets more accurate, then White could really surprise some people.
No I think 1-2 years and you question somewhat. But his career is defined now and it's not changing. In fact, everyone is forgetting his declaration earlier this spring that he plans to get back to what got him here and that's running.
This is a great example of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It just doens't work.
What do you mean?
IOW-if it walks like a duck, smells like duck and talks like a duck, then it must a QB that can throw like a duck. And that's not good.What do you mean?
OK. But as much as a QB does shape his WRs fantasy prospects, those prospects are not derived 100% from the QB. You have to see how the WR has changed as well. I think White has gotten better than he was in his rookie season last year. Last year he held out, had an injury and came into the NFL from a smaller school. This year, he shouldn't have those issues. So, with Vick not getting any better, I think White will get open more often/catch more of the passes intended to him. So that lifts his stats up some. I also think that the Falcons will throw a little more this year. So that should raise his stats a little more, again, regardless of whether Vick gets any better. I think that White can be a top 40 WR by year's end and be a great WR4/occasional WR3. Don't let your negative feelings toward Vick, however justified, make you too negative toward White, Jenkins or Crumpler.IOW-if it walks like a duck, smells like duck and talks like a duck, then it must a QB that can throw like a duck. And that's not good.What do you mean?
Good post but I think you're off the mark a tad. I like Vick, he's just not a good passer. Nothing personal but we're talking fantasy football here.OK. But as much as a QB does shape his WRs fantasy prospects, those prospects are not derived 100% from the QB. You have to see how the WR has changed as well. I think White has gotten better than he was in his rookie season last year. Last year he held out, had an injury and came into the NFL from a smaller school. This year, he shouldn't have those issues. So, with Vick not getting any better, I think White will get open more often/catch more of the passes intended to him. So that lifts his stats up some. I also think that the Falcons will throw a little more this year. So that should raise his stats a little more, again, regardless of whether Vick gets any better. I think that White can be a top 40 WR by year's end and be a great WR4/occasional WR3. Don't let your negative feelings toward Vick, however justified, make you too negative toward White, Jenkins or Crumpler.IOW-if it walks like a duck, smells like duck and talks like a duck, then it must a QB that can throw like a duck. And that's not good.What do you mean?
I disagree and think they will run less this year out of set plays, not including Vick scrambling. I think White is poised to pass Jenkins as the WR1. Guess we'll see.I completely understand you feel that way. But what are you basing your opinion on? Have you heard or read anything to support your conclusions? Reading what you posted above it seems you are reading an aweful lot into their circumstances. When you read what they are actually saying it possible to believe they might even throw less. I'm nt saying it's what they should do but it's what they're saying they are likely to do.In any case I like how you are looking at the possible scenarios and what their potential impacts are. I'd buy into it if there was actually some evidence or discussion to support it would happen. Just haven't seen anything outside of a "fluff" piece on White. BTW-I think he's going to be a good WR.
I completely understand you feel that way. But what are you basing your opinion on? Have you heard or read anything to support your conclusions? Reading what you posted above it seems you are reading an aweful lot into their circumstances. When you read what they are actually saying it possible to believe they might even throw less. I'm nt saying it's what they should do but it's what they're saying they are likely to do.In any case I like how you are looking at the possible scenarios and what their potential impacts are. I'd buy into it if there was actually some evidence or discussion to support it would happen. Just haven't seen anything outside of a "fluff" piece on White. BTW-I think he's going to be a good WR.
Have you even read my posts?I posted the statistics from 2004 and 2005 in a post above, which showed a downward trend in running the ball and an upward trend in passing the ball over the last two years. I opinioned that the trend would continue because on the running side, Dunn is older, Duckett is on the trade block so he's not the answer, and Norwood is only a rookie. I opinioned that the trend would continue on the passing side because of the "fluff" piece on White that shows that he is catching more balls, putting on muscle and working out more with Vick and Schaub. 
Thanks for not beating me up so to speak. I wasn't looking for a fight. One of the great things about discussions like this is that you can sell your opinions and I can mine. AWho knows, we might even sell each other and move on our thoughts.As for your post, I guess what's absent then is your unwillingness to ackowledge what they're saying they're going to do. What's your response to Vick and coach saying they plan to utilize Vick's running skill more? I see that's absent from your opined theory. Not sure how that applies in your thinking on this.I completely understand you feel that way. But what are you basing your opinion on? Have you heard or read anything to support your conclusions? Reading what you posted above it seems you are reading an aweful lot into their circumstances. When you read what they are actually saying it possible to believe they might even throw less. I'm nt saying it's what they should do but it's what they're saying they are likely to do.In any case I like how you are looking at the possible scenarios and what their potential impacts are. I'd buy into it if there was actually some evidence or discussion to support it would happen. Just haven't seen anything outside of a "fluff" piece on White. BTW-I think he's going to be a good WR.
Editted to take out early morning harshness.
It also could mean more running opportunites couldn't it? While the theory makes sense it doesn't correlate to White suddenely being the #1 or that he's going to get that many more passes.Look, what's completely absent from this discussion is tha fact that ATL is a running team. Period. They do not pass well so they tend to do what it is they do well which is run. There is absolutely no evidence that will change. Any discussion to that end is nothing more than wishful thinking.
I do not believe that Vick will end up running alot more to be honest. There are alot of coaches and players saying things in June that will not end up being correct. Not as much smoke now as before the draft, but still alot of "smoke" articles, which in my opinion can be just as dangerous to believe as "fluff" articles. Here's my take on them saying that Vick will run more: Vick has a very big ego (as do alot of players). Mora seems to have a very big ego. Here comes this Vince Young guy into the league that some scouts and analysts say can be a bigger, stronger (but not faster) Michael Vick with a better arm. I think Mike is upset by these statements and wants to show the world that there is only one Mike Vick. So he and Mora want to talk to the media about how Mike is going to go back to being the Michael Vick that won that Vikings game in overtime with the amazing run. They may roll him out more so that they aren't trying to fit a square peg (mobile QB) into a round hole (pocket passer). But if they really call more running plays for Vick, one of two things will happen, IMHO:Thanks for not beating me up so to speak. I wasn't looking for a fight. One of the great things about discussions like this is that you can sell your opinions and I can mine. AWho knows, we might even sell each other and move on our thoughts.As for your post, I guess what's absent then is your unwillingness to ackowledge what they're saying they're going to do. What's your response to Vick and coach saying they plan to utilize Vick's running skill more? I see that's absent from your opined theory. Not sure how that applies in your thinking on this.I completely understand you feel that way. But what are you basing your opinion on? Have you heard or read anything to support your conclusions? Reading what you posted above it seems you are reading an aweful lot into their circumstances. When you read what they are actually saying it possible to believe they might even throw less. I'm nt saying it's what they should do but it's what they're saying they are likely to do.In any case I like how you are looking at the possible scenarios and what their potential impacts are. I'd buy into it if there was actually some evidence or discussion to support it would happen. Just haven't seen anything outside of a "fluff" piece on White. BTW-I think he's going to be a good WR.
Editted to take out early morning harshness.
Just because White has improved it doesn't mean he's suddenly going to have better stats. Sure he might take over from Jenkins (and I'm not sold on that yet as Jenkin's getting better too) as the #1 but what's that mean in terms of fantasy production? Not that much it seems.
Nobody is arguing that Family Matters. There is absolutely no doubt that Atlanta is a running team.
