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I wonder how this will impact the Pats the first 4 games. In my opinion they are a different team when Harrison is playing.
Absolutely they are a different team without him and many Pats fans feel he is almost as important to the defense as TB is to the offense. IMO, it is no coincidence that NE has not made it back to the SB while Harrison has been injured. This is a huge punch in the stomach to that team to start the season; particularly with SD coming to town in week 2.HGH is a banned substance, so if you do the crime you got to do the time and I have no problem with that. However, IMO there is a difference between what Merriman did and what Harrison did. The former while young and healthy used steroids to gain a competitive advantage; while the latter a much older player used HGH while trying to recover from injuries faster. Still wrong, but there is a big difference IMO. I know Rodney is not well liked so by all means, let the flaming commence ;)
didn't they draft a top notch safety this season?he'll start now..Harrison is more of a guy that NE needs in the playoffs, not as much during the reg season. I don't see this as such as crushing blow as others do..if Bellichick wasn't around helping with defensive schemes, I would be worried. but, its only 4 weeks, and they play the Jets,Chargers,Bills,Bengals..not impossible to go at least 3-1, if not 4-0..don't forget, SD lost Wade Phillips to the Cowboys so how much their defense slips without him, remains to be seen.
 
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44-7 with him. 15-9 without. They need Harrison. Beating San Diego and Tomlinson is going to be tough without Harrison. I dont sweat the Jets, Cinci and Buffalo.....New England is crushing those teams without him. They'll open up 3-1, imo.

 
They're gonna have to do something. The majority of pros taking HGH are trying to accelerate the healing/recovery process. The NFL needs to fund a series of scientific studies to determine if HGH is the real deal or it's hype and they need to figure out if there is a safe amount to use (under the care of a 3rd party doctor).

If Harrison says that he was just trying to stick around, who can really blame him for wanting to be there for his guys and for wanting to earn the money on his contract.

 
Cowboys AC Wade Wilson suspended 5 games, apparently the AC mentioned earlier.

ETA: Saw it on ESPN scrolling news ticker.

 
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The NFL substance abuse posturing is silly. I'd figure a significant minority, if not indeed a majority, of players in the NFL have used at some point or another. The size of the players, the speed of the players, the intensity of the hits - all the things the fans clamor for - you don't get that without a price. Performance enhancers are a big part of the price. People are living in a fantasy world thinking this stuff isn't prevalent. Is it even "cheating" at this point? I don't know, seems more like a requirement if you want to play pro ball.

The Pats will be fine without Harrison for 4 games, maybe they lose one as a result. But it actually may work out to their advantage as it will be 4 less games and weeks of practices for Harrison, which could go a decent way towards keeping him healthy for later in the season and the playoffs when they'll really need him.

 
NE_REVIVAL said:
Tubalcane said:
I wonder how this will impact the Pats the first 4 games. In my opinion they are a different team when Harrison is playing.
Absolutely they are a different team without him and many Pats fans feel he is almost as important to the defense as TB is to the offense. IMO, it is no coincidence that NE has not made it back to the SB while Harrison has been injured. This is a huge punch in the stomach to that team to start the season; particularly with SD coming to town in week 2.HGH is a banned substance, so if you do the crime you got to do the time and I have no problem with that. However, IMO there is a difference between what Merriman did and what Harrison did. The former while young and healthy used steroids to gain a competitive advantage; while the latter a much older player used HGH while trying to recover from injuries faster. Still wrong, but there is a big difference IMO. I know Rodney is not well liked so by all means, let the flaming commence :goodposting:
So we believe what Rodney says, but Merriman was lying? By the way, both instances are cheating, a competitive advantage. The age of the player doesn't matter. There is a difference in the two players, however. One of them has $200,000 in dirty hits in his career.
 
I posted this in the coach's suspension topic as well, and double posting is usually in bad taste, but this saves me the time of retyping.

I have not seen these two mentioned previously, but I suspect this all stems from the Signature Compounding Pharmacy (FL) investigation started by Albany NY Prosecuting Attorney Soares.

Frankly, this is a violation of many people's medical privacy and that is being ignored in the McCarthyistic lynching of any people/organizations associated with performance enhancement. Why this is such a major issue (yes, it is an ethical issue, but the degree to which state governmental agencies and federal offices are pursuing it is completely out of proportion with the real issues of concern) is beyond me.

Consider this, many of the people who will be busted in the next month (no surprise they waited until the season started to gain more publicity) is that they are listed as receiving human growth hormone (hGH), testosterone (T) and possibly other drugs (e.g. anastrozole - an aromatase inhibitor) from the company who compounded and mailed the products. They were busted, BALCO style with more cameras than cops, because they had licensed physicians who were prescribing life-enhancing compounds/drugs to people they had not personally examined or screened with blood test to determine the presence/absence of approved clinical conditions. In other words, doctors were prescribing drugs to people who claimed via phone or internet, that they had symptoms of hGH or T deficiency.

The people, including many pro wrestlers and athletes, but many, many, more every day people, received the drugs from a (then) licensed pharmacy. In the eyes of the PATIENTS (though Soares claims they are customers as they were not examined in the context of a recognized physician-patient relationship), these drugs were being legally obtained because they were being prescribed by a doctor and sent from a pharmacy, not obtained from a part-time gym manager or personal trainer who kept a stash under the spare tire in the trunk.

These people (only the famous ones) are now being ostracized for following the rules of conduct and legally obtaining hGH, T, etc. For those employed in organizations that ban the compounds, a medical waiver could have been obtained if the condition was legitimate. The prescribing doctor would have been responsible for that. Obviously, the anti-doping violation is separate from the LEGAL status of the acts.

This is outrageous for two reasons.

1) This violates medical privacy and these people should collectively sue. They are not doctors and are not expected to know if the transaction was consistent with usual professional conduct. The doctors and pharmacy were licensed at the time.

2) the press is selectively reporting who was involved in LEGAL transactions. Professional conduct does not reflect on the patient, only the doctor/pharmacist. Why not list everyone (there were tens if not hundreds of thousands of prescriptions filled)?

This is no different from reporting the HIV status of people or who was receiving Viagra, anti-depressants, etc.

The media and the prosecuting attorneys are given carte blanche because this involves "steroids" and it is a buzz word.

A Washington DC madam was prevented from releasing her client list, as was Heidi Fleis (sp?) because it would be embarassing to the right people. Some Idaho Senator just resigned because he allegedly solicited gay sex in a public bathroom. Who else was arrested in that sting? Why is gay sex solicitation headline news but political prostitution is off-limits.

It is biased and openly just the press and politician (including prosecutors) vying for publicity during short-sighted crusades. Spend the time getting rid of the crack, crank and child abuse problems that plague the US. Most of us really don't care if adults are trying to be healthier in this culture of obesity and if athletes who entertain us and make their living need assistance in recovering from the wear and tear of professional sports, let them do so under medical supervision following guidelines developed using evidence based medicine, not a witch hunt.

We are learning that we have few role models in this era of drunk cosmonauts, homicidal diaper-wearing astronauts, drunk politicians, etc, etc, etc. It is time to really examine the rules and enforce the ones that matter and make sense.
 
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NE_REVIVAL said:
Tubalcane said:
I wonder how this will impact the Pats the first 4 games. In my opinion they are a different team when Harrison is playing.
Absolutely they are a different team without him and many Pats fans feel he is almost as important to the defense as TB is to the offense. IMO, it is no coincidence that NE has not made it back to the SB while Harrison has been injured. This is a huge punch in the stomach to that team to start the season; particularly with SD coming to town in week 2.HGH is a banned substance, so if you do the crime you got to do the time and I have no problem with that. However, IMO there is a difference between what Merriman did and what Harrison did. The former while young and healthy used steroids to gain a competitive advantage; while the latter a much older player used HGH while trying to recover from injuries faster. Still wrong, but there is a big difference IMO. I know Rodney is not well liked so by all means, let the flaming commence :pickle:
So we believe what Rodney says, but Merriman was lying? By the way, both instances are cheating, a competitive advantage. The age of the player doesn't matter. There is a difference in the two players, however. One of them has $200,000 in dirty hits in his career.
Harrison took responsibility for his actions while Merriman continues to lie about it.Harrison took HGH while trying to recover from injuries; Merriman used steroids for what reason other than to gain an advantage?Age, injury doesn't give Harrison a free pass, but IMO it does make a difference.
 
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NE_REVIVAL said:
Tubalcane said:
I wonder how this will impact the Pats the first 4 games. In my opinion they are a different team when Harrison is playing.
Absolutely they are a different team without him and many Pats fans feel he is almost as important to the defense as TB is to the offense. IMO, it is no coincidence that NE has not made it back to the SB while Harrison has been injured. This is a huge punch in the stomach to that team to start the season; particularly with SD coming to town in week 2.HGH is a banned substance, so if you do the crime you got to do the time and I have no problem with that. However, IMO there is a difference between what Merriman did and what Harrison did. The former while young and healthy used steroids to gain a competitive advantage; while the latter a much older player used HGH while trying to recover from injuries faster. Still wrong, but there is a big difference IMO. I know Rodney is not well liked so by all means, let the flaming commence :rolleyes:
didn't they draft a top notch safety this season?he'll start now..Harrison is more of a guy that NE needs in the playoffs, not as much during the reg season. I don't see this as such as crushing blow as others do..if Bellichick wasn't around helping with defensive schemes, I would be worried. but, its only 4 weeks, and they play the Jets,Chargers,Bills,Bengals..not impossible to go at least 3-1, if not 4-0..don't forget, SD lost Wade Phillips to the Cowboys so how much their defense slips without him, remains to be seen.
The Chargers and Bengals games could have huge post-season seeding consequences for the Pats. Harrison is a leader on defense, and any year he isn't there the defense suffers a bit.
 
Harrison took responsibility for his actions while Merriman continues to lie about it.Harrison took HGH while trying to recover from injuries; Merriman used steroids for what reason other than to gain an advantage?
:confused: :wall: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Guys like you really give New England fans a bad reputation. Thanks for the laughs though.
 
NE_REVIVAL said:
Tubalcane said:
I wonder how this will impact the Pats the first 4 games. In my opinion they are a different team when Harrison is playing.
Absolutely they are a different team without him and many Pats fans feel he is almost as important to the defense as TB is to the offense. IMO, it is no coincidence that NE has not made it back to the SB while Harrison has been injured. This is a huge punch in the stomach to that team to start the season; particularly with SD coming to town in week 2.HGH is a banned substance, so if you do the crime you got to do the time and I have no problem with that. However, IMO there is a difference between what Merriman did and what Harrison did. The former while young and healthy used steroids to gain a competitive advantage; while the latter a much older player used HGH while trying to recover from injuries faster. Still wrong, but there is a big difference IMO. I know Rodney is not well liked so by all means, let the flaming commence :thumbdown:
So we believe what Rodney says, but Merriman was lying? By the way, both instances are cheating, a competitive advantage. The age of the player doesn't matter. There is a difference in the two players, however. One of them has $200,000 in dirty hits in his career.
Harrison took responsibility for his actions while Merriman continues to lie about it.Harrison took HGH while trying to recover from injuries; Merriman used steroids for what reason other than to gain an advantage?Age, injury doesn't give Harrison a free pass, but IMO it does make a difference.
No, it doesn't. If HGH allows you to be on the field when you naturally wouldn't be, how is that not an extreme advantage? In fact, I think it's more of an advantage than steroids give you on the field. The difference between being on the field and off is huge. Also, who's to say HGH doesn't improve your performance? Probably not Bonds.
 
Harrison and Merriman are no different. Trying to "accelerate healing" via a banned substance is, to be flat, cheating.

 
Pats fans are the most biased fans there ever were. Harrison obtained this stuff ilegally right? And this is no cream or pill, this stuff has to be injected. If it were fine to use this HGH the way cortisone gets used, then a team doctor would administer the shot. This is a controlled substance, and for good reason. If Thomas Jones gets named, I'd say suspend him too.... after all, that Dallas AC was in Chicago when Jones was, and Jones has arms that aren't natural (yes, Jets fan here)

The more players that get caught, the less likely others will be inclined to juice. That is fine by me. But please, stop with the lame excuses.... it's pitiful, really.

 
he should be suspended at least 8 games....if Goodell is worth his metal - he would.

why let the notorious, as voted by the NFL players themselves, league's "dirtiest" player - get off doing junk that makes him a harder hitting, bigger #####??!!

we give life bans for illegal dog fighters....just sayin'.

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he should be suspended at least 8 games....if Goodell is worth his metal - he would. why let the notorious, as voted by the NFL players themselves, league's "dirtiest" player - get off doing junk that makes him a harder hitting, bigger #####??!!we give life bans for illegal dog fighters....just sayin'. :lmao:
"We" give "life(time)" bans to "dog fighters"? :lmao:
 
he should be suspended at least 8 games....if Goodell is worth his metal - he would. why let the notorious, as voted by the NFL players themselves, league's "dirtiest" player - get off doing junk that makes him a harder hitting, bigger #####??!!we give life bans for illegal dog fighters....just sayin'. :yes:
Because it is a clear defined supesion. The players association and the league have an agreement on what type of punishment a illegal substance carries. It is not a situation where he has violated the players conduct clause or anything.
 

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