It probably was the fact that he was riding a Hayabusa that saved his butt. Most Harleys will not have the braking system of the Hayabusa. Although he did not have time to stop completely, he could slow it down to the point he survived.While it may have taken a face full of windsheild for Ben to learn, Ben's PR people have certainly learned from the Winslow famaly's bungled handling of the press after his accident.The Hiyabusa was given to Ben for promotional considerations. He did not actively go out and seek that particular bike.Don't disagree. But Roethlisberger didn't appear to learn anything from Winslow until now. In fact, he got worse saying Winslow rode a sport bike and he didn't. Then moved to a Hiyabusa.JSmart people learn from other peoples mistakes.Yes, it was a good bit later. I think it was well received but I don't think it was as effective as what Roethlisberger did. And part of that it is timing. That would fall under the first answer in Winston's post when he asked how else a person could handle it: "Don't release a statement this quickly"This is not as easy as it looks.Actually that statement did not come until quite some time had passed. The Winslow family cited the Hipaa act of medical confidentiality and virtually nothing was forthcoming on KW II's injuries for weeks.When that statement finally came out it was roundly derided as too little too lateYes he did Aaron. And it was well done and well received like this one. Jdid Kellen Winslow release anything similar after his accident a year ago? I don't recall.
Thursday, May 26, 2005
Winslow statement
I want to first and foremost thank the Cleveland Browns organization, the coaching staff, medical staff, my teammates and fans of the Cleveland Browns who have continued to pray for my recovery. I cannot express how moved I am by the support and words of encouragement I have received from all over the country.
To those members of the Cleveland Browns family who I have disappointed by my decision to ride a motorcycle, I humbly apologize. In hindsight it was unwise to attempt to learn to ride a motorcycle without a professional instructor in a controlled environment. While many of you are disappointed that I will not be on the field with my teammates for this upcoming season, no one is more disappointed in this fact than me.
I worked extremely hard to recover from last season’s injury. To the entire Cleveland Browns family, I pledge to work twice as hard to recover from the injuries sustained from my motorcycle accident.
- Kellen Winslow Jr.
J
He still has his Hogs. Just happened to be riding the rice burner when the little old lady pulled out in front of him.![]()
Besides the prepared statement released by Ben's PR guys, they have just now released this picture of him, post op.
Big Ben
we really need training camp to start
Baby... Roeth?Besides the prepared statement released by Ben's PR guys, they have just now released this picture of him, post op.
Big Ben
Best post yet.This reminds me of Chris Rock's bit about people getting credit for stuff they are supposed to do.
Hey, Ben, way to step up! You've got my respect now, for figuring out that riding a motorcycle is dangerous.![]()
Please. He didn't even say he was gonna stop riding.
This reminds me of Chris Rock's bit about people getting credit for stuff they are supposed to do.
Hey, Ben, way to step up! You've got my respect now, for figuring out that riding a motorcycle is dangerous.![]()
Please. He didn't even say he was gonna stop riding.
The other part is that Winslow had acted like a jackass long before he ever got on that motorcycle.Yes, it was a good bit later. I think it was well received but I don't think it was as effective as what Roethlisberger did. And part of that it is timing. That would fall under the first answer in Winston's post when he asked how else a person could handle it: "Don't release a statement this quickly"This is not as easy as it looks.Actually that statement did not come until quite some time had passed. The Winslow family cited the Hipaa act of medical confidentiality and virtually nothing was forthcoming on KW II's injuries for weeks.When that statement finally came out it was roundly derided as too little too lateYes he did Aaron. And it was well done and well received like this one. Jdid Kellen Winslow release anything similar after his accident a year ago? I don't recall.
Thursday, May 26, 2005
Winslow statement
I want to first and foremost thank the Cleveland Browns organization, the coaching staff, medical staff, my teammates and fans of the Cleveland Browns who have continued to pray for my recovery. I cannot express how moved I am by the support and words of encouragement I have received from all over the country.
To those members of the Cleveland Browns family who I have disappointed by my decision to ride a motorcycle, I humbly apologize. In hindsight it was unwise to attempt to learn to ride a motorcycle without a professional instructor in a controlled environment. While many of you are disappointed that I will not be on the field with my teammates for this upcoming season, no one is more disappointed in this fact than me.
I worked extremely hard to recover from last season’s injury. To the entire Cleveland Browns family, I pledge to work twice as hard to recover from the injuries sustained from my motorcycle accident.
- Kellen Winslow Jr.
J
It was nice of his attorney to write up and then issue that statement to the media.
edit: Glad he's ok, but he had about as much to do with that statement as I did.
Don't release a statement this quickly. Don't talk about wearing a helmet. Act defiant about a helmet like he did last year. Don't acknowledge the role you play with your team and accept the fact it's not just about you, don't write it well and wind up sounding like T.O.... That would be for starters that lots of people might do in this situation that wouldn't earn a "well done".How else would any rational person handle it?J
It was nice of his attorney to write up and then issue that statement to the media.
edit: Glad he's ok, but he had about as much to do with that statement as I did.
Capella's probably right, I'm sure he didn't "write" the statement. However, from what I know of Ben, the guy seems to know the right things to say and when to say them, so I am sure that the sentiment and the tone of the statement are his, if not the precise wording.And you know for sure...how exactly?It was nice of his attorney to write up and then issue that statement to the media.
edit: Glad he's ok, but he had about as much to do with that statement as I did.
Who would really care? It happened. I think the nice thing about Big Ben is he doesn't seem to concern himself with playing the media game as you are proposing him to do.
It was nice of his attorney to write up and then issue that statement to the media.
edit: Glad he's ok, but he had about as much to do with that statement as I did.
I am an attorney who has crafted many statements for clients over the years. There isn't scientific proof here, but from experience, I can smell an attorney or publicist statement from a mile away.And you know for sure...how exactly?It was nice of his attorney to write up and then issue that statement to the media.
edit: Glad he's ok, but he had about as much to do with that statement as I did.
Thanks Winston. You're an attorney, right? You guys make a living wordsmithing messages and knowing how to manage them. It's money well earned.JFair enough. Though I disagree with you a bit, I agree the message was goodThat's what I'm saying Winston. TO and his people had multiple chances to do statements like this last year with his troubles and never got it remotely as right as what Roethlisberger issued here. PR is not as easy as it looks in my opinion.I guess I should rephrase. How would any rational person with an agent and/or a publicist handle it? Joe, if TO had went over the handlebars, don't you think he would have issued a similar statement?Don't release a statement this quickly. Don't talk about wearing a helmet. Act defiant about a helmet like he did last year. Don't acknowledge the role you play with your team and accept the fact it's not just about you, don't write it well and wind up sounding like T.O.... That would be for starters that lots of people might do in this situation that wouldn't earn a "well done".How else would any rational person handle it?J
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Anyone with half a brain knows that Big Ben didn't actually write the statement. The point is that the statement is timely and well done, and Big Ben actually gave the okay for it to be released. I agree that it seems like a no-brainer, but we see these things fumbled all the time, so apparently it's not as easy as it seems.I am an attorney who has crafted many statements for clients over the years. There isn't scientific proof here, but from experience, I can smell an attorney or publicist statement from a mile away.And you know for sure...how exactly?It was nice of his attorney to write up and then issue that statement to the media.
edit: Glad he's ok, but he had about as much to do with that statement as I did.
This is what I'm talking about. He's a class guy with a lot of respect for the game and the fans. I'm sure he wanted to issue this statement and the sentiment behind it is largely his. I have no doubt that someone penned it for him, but who cares, really?For those of you who insist that Ben had little to do with the statement issued, I offer up a previously issued statement by Ben that was from his days at Miami of Ohio. It was issued following a 33-7 loss to LSU and was printed in the newspaper in Baton Rouge. I've always liked him since then...
"Coach Saban,
This is Ben Roethlisberger, the quarterback at Miami. I hope you get to read this ... I wanted to first and foremost congratulate you and the team on the game on Saturday. You guys are the best team that I have ever played against and I think you guys will go a long way this year ... Your defense was very confusing and had us on the run all game. But that is not the main reason that I am writing you this e-mail, I really was impressed with your team after the game. They had the most class out of any team that I have ever played against in high school or college and I commend you for that. Many of the players, including your big name players, came up to me after the game and congratulated me and told us good luck and have a safe trip home. I just want to commend you and your team for all of the class you have ... best of luck and win the SEC.
Ben Roethlisberger
Quarterback
Miami (Ohio) University"
I like this post.It has nothing to do with graduating from LSU. At all. I mean itThis is what I'm talking about. He's a class guy with a lot of respect for the game and the fans. I'm sure he wanted to issue this statement and the sentiment behind it is largely his. I have no doubt that someone penned it for him, but who cares, really?For those of you who insist that Ben had little to do with the statement issued, I offer up a previously issued statement by Ben that was from his days at Miami of Ohio. It was issued following a 33-7 loss to LSU and was printed in the newspaper in Baton Rouge. I've always liked him since then...
"Coach Saban,
This is Ben Roethlisberger, the quarterback at Miami. I hope you get to read this ... I wanted to first and foremost congratulate you and the team on the game on Saturday. You guys are the best team that I have ever played against and I think you guys will go a long way this year ... Your defense was very confusing and had us on the run all game. But that is not the main reason that I am writing you this e-mail, I really was impressed with your team after the game. They had the most class out of any team that I have ever played against in high school or college and I commend you for that. Many of the players, including your big name players, came up to me after the game and congratulated me and told us good luck and have a safe trip home. I just want to commend you and your team for all of the class you have ... best of luck and win the SEC.
Ben Roethlisberger
Quarterback
Miami (Ohio) University"
I have no doubt that Ben did not write the statement. It reeks of a P.R. release. That said, so what? It was run by him, approved by him as going out in his name, it is attributed to him, and he will be responsible for living up to it.
Nothing wrong with having a well crafted statement released on one's behalf, particularly when it will be highly scrutinized and dissected. Sure, spontaneous and from the heart is great, but given the attention this was sure to garner, and the fact that he is the face (however disfigured) of the Steeler organization makes the professional crafting prudent.
I'll be convinced the statement is sincere when there are multiple reports of Roethlisberger seem riding a motorcyle wearing a helmet in the future. Until then, it's just "what he's supposed to say", without any indication one way or the other as to having any real meaning.
It was nice of his attorney to write up and then issue that statement to the media.
edit: Glad he's ok, but he had about as much to do with that statement as I did.
Because I have common sense?And you know for sure...how exactly?It was nice of his attorney to write up and then issue that statement to the media.
edit: Glad he's ok, but he had about as much to do with that statement as I did.
His statement, regardless of who wrote it, will probably save some lives. Is that not the important thing?I'm as happy as the next guy that he'll be okay. The real problem is that in the end this will be a story about a celebrity/athlete who does something totally stupid, says he's sorry, and then becomes even more of a hero because of the whole incident. Makes no sense to me and doesn't happen in the real world.
What are you talking about?This was well done. I think that's how I started this post.I have to say I am a little surprised at Joe's naivete and how quickly he was to defend Ben. Everyone is glad Ben is OK, but to think that he wasn't just given a piece of paper crafted by his agent/PR person is ridiculously naive.
I too would think that Joe would have a better understanding of how people who are represented works.
Exactly. I doubt anyone in the world thinks Roethlisberger actually wrote out the recent statement. But it's a statement representing him that he endorses. Not sure how that is confusing or naive to some people.This is what I'm talking about. He's a class guy with a lot of respect for the game and the fans. I'm sure he wanted to issue this statement and the sentiment behind it is largely his. I have no doubt that someone penned it for him, but who cares, really?For those of you who insist that Ben had little to do with the statement issued, I offer up a previously issued statement by Ben that was from his days at Miami of Ohio. It was issued following a 33-7 loss to LSU and was printed in the newspaper in Baton Rouge. I've always liked him since then...
"Coach Saban,
This is Ben Roethlisberger, the quarterback at Miami. I hope you get to read this ... I wanted to first and foremost congratulate you and the team on the game on Saturday. You guys are the best team that I have ever played against and I think you guys will go a long way this year ... Your defense was very confusing and had us on the run all game. But that is not the main reason that I am writing you this e-mail, I really was impressed with your team after the game. They had the most class out of any team that I have ever played against in high school or college and I commend you for that. Many of the players, including your big name players, came up to me after the game and congratulated me and told us good luck and have a safe trip home. I just want to commend you and your team for all of the class you have ... best of luck and win the SEC.
Ben Roethlisberger
Quarterback
Miami (Ohio) University"
we really need training camp to startThis couldn't be more true....
I'm not following that one. How will his statement save lives?His statement, regardless of who wrote it, will probably save some lives. Is that not the important thing?
So your "well done" was to his PR rep / agent?Come on.What are you talking about?This was well done. I think that's how I started this post.I have to say I am a little surprised at Joe's naivete and how quickly he was to defend Ben. Everyone is glad Ben is OK, but to think that he wasn't just given a piece of paper crafted by his agent/PR person is ridiculously naive.
I too would think that Joe would have a better understanding of how people who are represented works.
We talked about others like Winslow's camp with the Postons and T.O. with Rosenhaus where it wasn't as well done. What part of that is hard to understand?
J
"Well done" to Roethlisberger for issuing the statement. That's how it works. When you issue a statement to the press, it doesn't matter who wrote the words, what matters is that you issued it. Whether it's Bill Gates, Goerge Bush, Ben Roesthlisberger or you. That's kind of why PR people are employed.So your "well done" was to his PR rep / agent?Come on.What are you talking about?This was well done. I think that's how I started this post.I have to say I am a little surprised at Joe's naivete and how quickly he was to defend Ben. Everyone is glad Ben is OK, but to think that he wasn't just given a piece of paper crafted by his agent/PR person is ridiculously naive.
I too would think that Joe would have a better understanding of how people who are represented works.
We talked about others like Winslow's camp with the Postons and T.O. with Rosenhaus where it wasn't as well done. What part of that is hard to understand?
J
That is on HIM. He is 100% responsible for everything his agent or PR guy writes that Roethlisberger endorses. For good or bad, when he issues stuff that says "Ben Roethlisberger releases a statement" the ultimate responsibility falls on Roethlisberger.The following statement was released by Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger on Thursday:
I agree it doesn't matter, because it came "from Ben" (his people, whoever....).I wonder if the statement read, "I have no plans to discontinue riding a two-wheeled conveyance at this time", if Ben would catch a break from these same folks because this statement obviously did not come from his lips.I can't figure out why it even matters if he wrote it or not. Part of being a professional is surrounding yourself with people who can guide you in the right direction, and if he has excellent PR people to support him, so what?
For what it's worth, this reads as though it was penned by Ben himself and not a PR guy/attorney. Note the repeated use of the same words, the clumsy expressions, the slightly childish feel to the whole thing. It reads like it was written by a football player.This is Ben Roethlisberger, the quarterback at Miami. I hope you get to read this ... I wanted to first and foremost congratulate you and the team on the game on Saturday. You guys are the best team that I have ever played against and I think you guys will go a long way this year ... Your defense was very confusing and had us on the run all game. But that is not the main reason that I am writing you this e-mail, I really was impressed with your team after the game. They had the most class out of any team that I have ever played against in high school or college and I commend you for that. Many of the players, including your big name players, came up to me after the game and congratulated me and told us good luck and have a safe trip home. I just want to commend you and your team for all of the class you have ... best of luck and win the SEC.
Yeah, I noticed the same. The difference between the two written pieces, is painfully obvious.For what it's worth, this reads as though it was penned by Ben himself and not a PR guy/attorney. Note the repeated use of the same words, the clumsy expressions, the slightly childish feel to the whole thing. It reads like it was written by a football player.This is Ben Roethlisberger, the quarterback at Miami. I hope you get to read this ... I wanted to first and foremost congratulate you and the team on the game on Saturday. You guys are the best team that I have ever played against and I think you guys will go a long way this year ... Your defense was very confusing and had us on the run all game. But that is not the main reason that I am writing you this e-mail, I really was impressed with your team after the game. They had the most class out of any team that I have ever played against in high school or college and I commend you for that. Many of the players, including your big name players, came up to me after the game and congratulated me and told us good luck and have a safe trip home. I just want to commend you and your team for all of the class you have ... best of luck and win the SEC.