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oh traded? well my gosh what a high punishment. and now the local media loves him. well i guess that is worthwhile enough. esp given his deserved deservedness of the illustrious chief award. and, tbc, i am certatin that no pittsburgh media "chief award" winner has ever raped a girl. so, that is indeed proof enough for me.
you seem to paint yourself as an educated observer of the events. the records show that roethlisbergers pennsylvania police cohort physically restrained the friends of the female in question (notice i did not say victim, nor alleged victim) from tending to her despite their interpretation of a dire situation.then read about how the local police immediately disregarded due diligence.
and then read the public police report of the drunk coed.
and then read her sober reflection where she states she does now want to be the center of attention in such a case.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/cri...ergers-bad-play
again, i think you are well aware of the divulgences, and i think it is pathetic how you purport to misdirect others who are not as well versed. the facts are public. ben forced his way into a stall with the coed wearing the dtf sticker and the traveling pa authorities were complicit in allowing roeth to get what he wanted and the local ga authorities were complicit in perpetuating a coverup.
ptsteelers
Footballguy
No, the "Facts" are not public. What is public ... their side of what happened.I still believe Ben did some bad things, I do, but the "fact" is that the reports I have seen list speculation, opinion, drunken recollection and different stories. The only "fact" is the police did not have enough to prosecute and we, including you, will never know what really happened.Do I doubt it happened? No. Where there is smoke ... but is it fact? No
The Jacket
Footballguy
Being on a team that wins a football game = it's OK, we forgive you raping a young chick in the bathroom stall.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Sorry you don't think people deserve second chances. That's your right though. We all get to hold to our own beliefs/opinions.
onlyseventeenpoints?
Footballguy
It's true.
You, also, seem to paint yourself as an educated observer of the events. However, the records don't show that Roethlisberger's "pennsylvania police cohort" physically restrained anyone. Her friends' testified that this happened. The "police cohorts" said it did not. Now, I don't know either group of people, so I can't say which group (if either) is telling the whole truth. Unless you know 1 (or both) groups, I doubt that you are qualified to make that determination, either.
What we do know is that the DA down there chose not to proceed with a criminal case (even though he appeared to want to "get" Roethlisberger-check out his press conference when he announced no charges would be filed).
With that knowledge, it makes you wonder just how credible the girl, or her friends, were.
agreed. i was a bit too liberal with my verbiage. my critical thinking, which if anything i would classify as biased in favor of the players, based on the reports ive read, leads me to believe ben indeed committed rape.No, the "Facts" are not public. What is public ... their side of what happened.I still believe Ben did some bad things, I do, but the "fact" is that the reports I have seen list speculation, opinion, drunken recollection and different stories. The only "fact" is the police did not have enough to prosecute and we, including you, will never know what really happened.Do I doubt it happened? No. Where there is smoke ... but is it fact? No
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I guess I got confused. I could have sworn there were 4 separate allegations. There were only 2. Which does help a bit, but it still ain't great. But the other stuff still holds true.Did you read the police report? At BEST an NFL athlete got an under-aged girl so drunk that in many states that could be seen as a crime/form of sexual assualt and took advantage of her in that condition while his two police officer buddies kept her friends from being able to go back and check on her like bouncers at a Miami Club.I'd love to hear how you know this to be true.
At worst all the above is true only instead of taking "advantage' of her, he outright raped her.
Just because a girl (after seeing how high priced attorney's would likely treat her in other celebrity assault cases a la Kobe etc) decides that she doesn't want to go through all that, doesn't make what happened any less reprehensible & certainly not from a PR perspective.
Oh and that little diddy happened to be the 4th time in recent memory that Ben was accused of sexual battery/assault. Now once again, no charges/no guilt (and the ensuing prison/jail/probation type stuff) but did anyone think that Giotti was a saint simply because they weren't able to make charges stick to him?
Sure it makes him not guilty, but it doesn't mean he qualifies for a great story of redemption (though in deference to Ben-- he has seemed to "get it" more and has at least made positive strides in his personal behavior. Maybe worthy of a high-five, but not really a 60 minutes piece on what a great guy he is.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
nearly indisputable facts (not teh he said/she said stuff)1. he plied an underaged coed with alcohol.2. he took her into a bathroom.3. his bodyguards/buddies/police officers then poroceded to guard that door while he engaging in intercourse and related sexual activity with said underaged girl.4. her friends realiing she was gone too long attempt to interrupt/intercede and are not allowed to do so by said police officers/bodyguards.That is a few crimes right there, without even exploring the 'dis she consent to what was occurring'.My opinionThey good ol boyed it, and she felt it, and wanted no part of the circus that she knew was coming. She felt kind of bad because she did some dumb things, but likely said no at some point and ben didnt give a ####. That had the friend been able to go back we'd have a few more witnesses too.No, the "Facts" are not public. What is public ... their side of what happened.I still believe Ben did some bad things, I do, but the "fact" is that the reports I have seen list speculation, opinion, drunken recollection and different stories. The only "fact" is the police did not have enough to prosecute and we, including you, will never know what really happened.Do I doubt it happened? No. Where there is smoke ... but is it fact? No
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
FWIW don't put me on that team. Regardless of what he did, he wasn't convicted or even charged with jack. It seemed to be a combination of ego and alcohol and it definately seems to have changed him for the better. Many of us are dumbasses and do dumb, awful, evil #### when young or when really wasted. It seems he has finally learned from this (albeit a small smaple size) and I for one applaud him for it. I hope he keeps it up. At least some good came out of this. Roethlisberger case spawns legal action for State Police
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 16, 2010, 8:57 AM EST
The Big Ben misadventures in Milledgeville have created plenty of problems for the Steelers’ starting quarterback. The situation also has led to a presumably unwanted legal entanglement for the Pennsylvania State Police.
In the wake of the news that Ben Roethlisberger faced an allegation of sexual assault, reports emerged that Roethlisberger hired a pair of off-duty police officers to serve as his security guards. And both men have experienced scrutiny in the wake of the disclosure that they were working on the side for Roethlisberger.
Coraopolis police officer Anthony Barravechio could lose his job, and the involvement of a Pennsylvania State Police employee on Roethlisberger’s security detail has resulted in an attempt by the Associated Press to obtain from the State Police records regarding employee moonlighting.
The State Police resisted, and the AP filed a claim with Pennsylvania’s open-records agency. Per the AP, Pennsylvania’s open-records agency has ruled that the State Police must release the documents.
The AP apparently is interested in the full range of the moonlighting projects in which Edward Joyner has engaged, who reportedly has worked as Big Ben bodyguard, travel agent, contractor, dry cleaning deliveryman, personal shopper, car detailer, and valet, all while working sufficiently hard for the State Police to produce 602 hours of overtime in 2009. Prior reports indicate potential inconsistencies in the paperwork regarding the approvals that Joyner obtained for his side projects, including a suggestion that a key signature was forged.
The State Police may appeal the decision, which would then place it into the Pennsylvania court system.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Police documents from the investigation of Ben Roethlisberger's alleged sexual assault have been made public, and many of the details are deeply unsettling. Roethlisberger, who was not charged with any crime (perhaps because he possibly reached a secret settlement with his accuser), is awaiting punishment from the NFL or Pittsburgh Steelers.
According to documents posted at the Smoking Gun, one witness says Roethlisberger strolled through part of a Milledgeville, Ga. bar with his penis on display. The witness also claims that the Steelers quarterback's bodyguards aided in his actions that night:
One witness, Ann Marie Lubatti, told investigators that she saw one of Roethlisberger's bodyguards guide the alleged victim to a side door. Lubatti said that she immediately approached another bodyguard and said, "This isn't right. My friend is back there with Ben. She needs to come back right now." Lubatti, who described Roethlisberger as "noticeably intoxicated," said she was rebuffed by the bodyguard, who remarked, "I don't know what you are talking about," according to the below statement.
When Lubatti later spotted her friend, the alleged victim said, "We need to go now." Lubatti said the woman told her that Roethlisberger "walked back to where she was with his penis already out of his pants. She told him that they shouldn't be doing this and that it wasn't right." The woman told Lubatti that Roethlisberger had followed her into the bathroom and shut the door. "She continued to say she didn't want to have sex, but he kept saying, "No, it's OK." Lubatti said that her friend told of having unprotected sex with Roethlisberger. After hearing her friend's account, Lubatti and another woman, Nicole Biancofiore, "walked up to the first cop we saw and told them what happened."
It is not the first time that Roethlisberger's bodyguards have been implicated in the evening's events. One witness previously claimed that bodyguards blocked access to the bathroom where the alleged sexual assault took place. Another said that the two-time Super Bowl champion "aggressively" hit on a bar patron.
Meanwhile, TMZ reports that officer who initially responded to the sexual assault accusation has quit after the documents reveal he allegedly referred to the accuser as a "f--king #####." This follows a report that he posed for pictures with Roethlisberger that same night.
Click here for many more details from the Smoking Gun.
According to documents posted at the Smoking Gun, one witness says Roethlisberger strolled through part of a Milledgeville, Ga. bar with his penis on display. The witness also claims that the Steelers quarterback's bodyguards aided in his actions that night:
One witness, Ann Marie Lubatti, told investigators that she saw one of Roethlisberger's bodyguards guide the alleged victim to a side door. Lubatti said that she immediately approached another bodyguard and said, "This isn't right. My friend is back there with Ben. She needs to come back right now." Lubatti, who described Roethlisberger as "noticeably intoxicated," said she was rebuffed by the bodyguard, who remarked, "I don't know what you are talking about," according to the below statement.
When Lubatti later spotted her friend, the alleged victim said, "We need to go now." Lubatti said the woman told her that Roethlisberger "walked back to where she was with his penis already out of his pants. She told him that they shouldn't be doing this and that it wasn't right." The woman told Lubatti that Roethlisberger had followed her into the bathroom and shut the door. "She continued to say she didn't want to have sex, but he kept saying, "No, it's OK." Lubatti said that her friend told of having unprotected sex with Roethlisberger. After hearing her friend's account, Lubatti and another woman, Nicole Biancofiore, "walked up to the first cop we saw and told them what happened."
It is not the first time that Roethlisberger's bodyguards have been implicated in the evening's events. One witness previously claimed that bodyguards blocked access to the bathroom where the alleged sexual assault took place. Another said that the two-time Super Bowl champion "aggressively" hit on a bar patron.
Meanwhile, TMZ reports that officer who initially responded to the sexual assault accusation has quit after the documents reveal he allegedly referred to the accuser as a "f--king #####." This follows a report that he posed for pictures with Roethlisberger that same night.
Click here for many more details from the Smoking Gun.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
very interesting
No charges against Roethlisberger hints at possible settlement with accuser
PUBLISHED Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:48 pm EDT
Mike Florio SN Icon Sporting News
Journalists are sometimes accused of burying the lead, when the most compelling piece of information appears almost as an afterthought in the middle or bottom of a news item.
Ocmulgee (Ga.) Judicial Circuit District Attorney Fred Bright arguably buried the lead on Monday when announcing that charges would not be pursued against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. After discussing the evidence that prompted the decision, Bright added in ?oh by the way? fashion that the alleged victim in the sexual assault case had indicated, in a letter written by her lawyer on March 17, that she no longer wished to pursue the matter. As the letter indicates, the alleged victim chose to abandon the matter not because she believed she hadn?t been sexually assaulted, but because she concluded that participating in a public trial with intense media scrutiny conflicted with her long-term best interests.
Ocmulgee (Ga.) Judicial Circuit District Attorney Fred Bright arguably buried the lead on Monday when announcing that charges would not be pursued against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. After discussing the evidence that prompted the decision, Bright added in ?oh by the way? fashion that the alleged victim in the sexual assault case had indicated, in a letter written by her lawyer on March 17, that she no longer wished to pursue the matter. As the letter indicates, the alleged victim chose to abandon the matter not because she believed she hadn?t been sexually assaulted, but because she concluded that participating in a public trial with intense media scrutiny conflicted with her long-term best interests.
Most parents of 20-year-old daughters likely would agree with that sentiment. But it created a major problem for Bright. In most criminal cases (except in the event of a murder, where the victim is physically incapable of cooperation), no viable prosecution can proceed if the victim has no desire to participate. Given the very high American standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, a case premised on the star witness being a reluctant victim has no chance of success.
Frankly, Bright should have made that point from the outset of his remarks. It would have made it far easier to understand the situation if Bright merely had said, ?Look, there were only two people in that bathroom. One of them isn?t talking. The other one doesn?t wish to proceed. It?s a case no one can win.?
Let?s be candid about this. The alleged victim and her family didn?t promptly hire a lawyer with the goal of having someone communicate on their behalf with the prosecutor. They hired a lawyer to advise them as to the alleged victim?s rights -- and in turn to represent her interests in conjunction with an eventual civil claim.
Even if the amount of settlement reflects only the expenses that would have been incurred by Roethlisberger if the prosecution had proceeded and/or the costs of defending against a civil suit, the amount would have been sizable. Still, and as suggested in the wake of the initial charges, it would have been very prudent for Roethlisberger to attempt to use his vast financial resources to put this matter behind him.
In 1993, Michael Jackson paid more than $20 million to a boy who accused the late singer of molestation. The boy then refused to testify in the criminal proceeding, and the case went away. More recently, talk of a looming civil settlement seemed to derail the rape prosecution of NBA star Kobe Bryant.
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In both of those cases, reports of a settlement created a cloud of guilt. The lesson for lawyers handling similar matters became clear -- when striking such deals, ensure complete and total confidentiality.
If done properly, no one would know that a settlement had been negotiated. Sure, some may suspect it. But there wouldn?t be a report in the newspaper or on television. The information would be tightly controlled, and the penalties for disclosure by the alleged victim would include forfeiture of most if not all of the payment.
For Roethlisberger, it would reflect sound business judgment. For the alleged victim, it would provide compensation for whatever she endured, and it would allow her to get on with her life. Though a desire to maintain secrecy implies impropriety, the simple fact is that if Roethlisberger paid any amount of money to resolve the claims, a large chunk of the general population would regard the development as an admission that he did something wrong.
In this case, guilt and innocence are bright lines that don?t mesh with the gray areas of consent and intoxication and reasonable doubt. But alleged victims who hire lawyers rarely decide to walk away with no strings attached. That?s why it would be naive to assume that the alleged victim in this case simply dropped the matter. Few lawyers ever get a $102 million tiger by the tail; when they do, they don?t like to let go easily.
Whether it?s morally right or wrong is irrelevant. If the alleged victim dropped the matter in the wake of a settlement paid by Roethlisberger, the decision will have been the product of two adults making a reasoned decision regarding the resolution of a mutual problem. And it would produce a form of justice no different than the settlement of any other civil claim involving behavior that also potentially violates one or more criminal laws.
Mike Florio writes and edits ProFootballTalk.com and is a regular contributor to Sporting News. Check out PFT for up-to-the minute NFL news.
Read more: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010...r#ixzz1CDbHw4ph
No charges against Roethlisberger hints at possible settlement with accuser
PUBLISHED Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:48 pm EDT
Mike Florio SN Icon Sporting News
Journalists are sometimes accused of burying the lead, when the most compelling piece of information appears almost as an afterthought in the middle or bottom of a news item.
Ocmulgee (Ga.) Judicial Circuit District Attorney Fred Bright arguably buried the lead on Monday when announcing that charges would not be pursued against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. After discussing the evidence that prompted the decision, Bright added in ?oh by the way? fashion that the alleged victim in the sexual assault case had indicated, in a letter written by her lawyer on March 17, that she no longer wished to pursue the matter. As the letter indicates, the alleged victim chose to abandon the matter not because she believed she hadn?t been sexually assaulted, but because she concluded that participating in a public trial with intense media scrutiny conflicted with her long-term best interests.
Ocmulgee (Ga.) Judicial Circuit District Attorney Fred Bright arguably buried the lead on Monday when announcing that charges would not be pursued against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. After discussing the evidence that prompted the decision, Bright added in ?oh by the way? fashion that the alleged victim in the sexual assault case had indicated, in a letter written by her lawyer on March 17, that she no longer wished to pursue the matter. As the letter indicates, the alleged victim chose to abandon the matter not because she believed she hadn?t been sexually assaulted, but because she concluded that participating in a public trial with intense media scrutiny conflicted with her long-term best interests.
Most parents of 20-year-old daughters likely would agree with that sentiment. But it created a major problem for Bright. In most criminal cases (except in the event of a murder, where the victim is physically incapable of cooperation), no viable prosecution can proceed if the victim has no desire to participate. Given the very high American standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, a case premised on the star witness being a reluctant victim has no chance of success.
Frankly, Bright should have made that point from the outset of his remarks. It would have made it far easier to understand the situation if Bright merely had said, ?Look, there were only two people in that bathroom. One of them isn?t talking. The other one doesn?t wish to proceed. It?s a case no one can win.?
Let?s be candid about this. The alleged victim and her family didn?t promptly hire a lawyer with the goal of having someone communicate on their behalf with the prosecutor. They hired a lawyer to advise them as to the alleged victim?s rights -- and in turn to represent her interests in conjunction with an eventual civil claim.
Even if the amount of settlement reflects only the expenses that would have been incurred by Roethlisberger if the prosecution had proceeded and/or the costs of defending against a civil suit, the amount would have been sizable. Still, and as suggested in the wake of the initial charges, it would have been very prudent for Roethlisberger to attempt to use his vast financial resources to put this matter behind him.
In 1993, Michael Jackson paid more than $20 million to a boy who accused the late singer of molestation. The boy then refused to testify in the criminal proceeding, and the case went away. More recently, talk of a looming civil settlement seemed to derail the rape prosecution of NBA star Kobe Bryant.
�
In both of those cases, reports of a settlement created a cloud of guilt. The lesson for lawyers handling similar matters became clear -- when striking such deals, ensure complete and total confidentiality.
If done properly, no one would know that a settlement had been negotiated. Sure, some may suspect it. But there wouldn?t be a report in the newspaper or on television. The information would be tightly controlled, and the penalties for disclosure by the alleged victim would include forfeiture of most if not all of the payment.
For Roethlisberger, it would reflect sound business judgment. For the alleged victim, it would provide compensation for whatever she endured, and it would allow her to get on with her life. Though a desire to maintain secrecy implies impropriety, the simple fact is that if Roethlisberger paid any amount of money to resolve the claims, a large chunk of the general population would regard the development as an admission that he did something wrong.
In this case, guilt and innocence are bright lines that don?t mesh with the gray areas of consent and intoxication and reasonable doubt. But alleged victims who hire lawyers rarely decide to walk away with no strings attached. That?s why it would be naive to assume that the alleged victim in this case simply dropped the matter. Few lawyers ever get a $102 million tiger by the tail; when they do, they don?t like to let go easily.
Whether it?s morally right or wrong is irrelevant. If the alleged victim dropped the matter in the wake of a settlement paid by Roethlisberger, the decision will have been the product of two adults making a reasoned decision regarding the resolution of a mutual problem. And it would produce a form of justice no different than the settlement of any other civil claim involving behavior that also potentially violates one or more criminal laws.
Mike Florio writes and edits ProFootballTalk.com and is a regular contributor to Sporting News. Check out PFT for up-to-the minute NFL news.
Read more: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2010...r#ixzz1CDbHw4ph
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Ben Roethlisberger Tapes: New PHOTOS & VIDEO Released
First Posted: 06- 9-10 12:40 PM | Updated: 08- 9-10 05:12 AM
(AP / PAUL NEWBERRY and KATE BRUMBACK) MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. — The college student who accused Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of sexually assaulting her said she didn't try to fight him off because he appeared earlier in the night to have a short temper.
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"I noticed throughout the night he kind of had like a short temper, like he would get really like defensive," she told police in her second interview with them on March 5, about 12 hours after she said the assault took place. She didn't elaborate further on what made her think the quarterback had a short temper.
The accuser's interview is among more than 50 audio and video recordings released Wednesday by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Prosecutors determined there wasn't enough evidence to warrant criminal charges after the investigation concluded.
The 20-year-old college student accused Roethlisberger of sexually assaulting her in the bathroom of a Milledgeville nightclub early on March 5 after a night of barhopping.
Police on Wednesday released an audio recording taken shortly after the woman said the assault took place, as well as a video of the interview taken the next afternoon.
In the video of the second interview, the woman was wearing a navy blue T-shirt and jeans had her blond hair pulled back. She told police she didn't think trying to fight Roethlisberger would help.
"I figured it wouldn't help anything," she said. "I didn't want, obviously, him to hurt me any more than he was going to."
The quarterback received a six-game suspension from the NFL for his behavior. Roethlisberger's attorney has denied he did anything wrong.
About five weeks after the woman's accusation, Ocmulgee Circuit District Attorney Fred Bright said that following exhaustive interviews and inconclusive medical exams, the student's accusations could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Bright also said the accuser had asked him not to prosecute.
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in April suspended the quarterback without pay for six games for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy. Goodell said the 28-year-old's carousing failed to meet the league's expectations for player behavior.
Roethlisberger spoke to reporters briefly last week after a Steelers voluntary practice. He said he's ready to make major changes to a lifestyle that cast him as an example of behavior by privileged pro athletes with a sense of entitlement.
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First Posted: 06- 9-10 12:40 PM | Updated: 08- 9-10 05:12 AM
(AP / PAUL NEWBERRY and KATE BRUMBACK) MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. — The college student who accused Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of sexually assaulting her said she didn't try to fight him off because he appeared earlier in the night to have a short temper.
(SCROLL DOWN FOR VIDEOS & PHOTO)
(CLICK HERE FOR MORE PICTURES)
"I noticed throughout the night he kind of had like a short temper, like he would get really like defensive," she told police in her second interview with them on March 5, about 12 hours after she said the assault took place. She didn't elaborate further on what made her think the quarterback had a short temper.
The accuser's interview is among more than 50 audio and video recordings released Wednesday by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Prosecutors determined there wasn't enough evidence to warrant criminal charges after the investigation concluded.
The 20-year-old college student accused Roethlisberger of sexually assaulting her in the bathroom of a Milledgeville nightclub early on March 5 after a night of barhopping.
Police on Wednesday released an audio recording taken shortly after the woman said the assault took place, as well as a video of the interview taken the next afternoon.
In the video of the second interview, the woman was wearing a navy blue T-shirt and jeans had her blond hair pulled back. She told police she didn't think trying to fight Roethlisberger would help.
"I figured it wouldn't help anything," she said. "I didn't want, obviously, him to hurt me any more than he was going to."
The quarterback received a six-game suspension from the NFL for his behavior. Roethlisberger's attorney has denied he did anything wrong.
About five weeks after the woman's accusation, Ocmulgee Circuit District Attorney Fred Bright said that following exhaustive interviews and inconclusive medical exams, the student's accusations could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Bright also said the accuser had asked him not to prosecute.
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in April suspended the quarterback without pay for six games for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy. Goodell said the 28-year-old's carousing failed to meet the league's expectations for player behavior.
Roethlisberger spoke to reporters briefly last week after a Steelers voluntary practice. He said he's ready to make major changes to a lifestyle that cast him as an example of behavior by privileged pro athletes with a sense of entitlement.
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Adebisi
Footballguy
If Ben and his goons showed up at your door to pick your hypothetical daughter up for a date, and they were going to some rowdy college bar for the night, you wouldn't have any reservations about that? For argument's sake, let's say he had thrown no touchdowns and three interceptions during a Steelers loss the preceding Sunday.
This is quite the journalistic effort. It is very even-handed, and provides a very fair, un-biased look at the situation
That was sarcasm, BTW. This type of report, and the mis-guided people who read the "Smoking Gun," and consider it reliable "news" is one of the reasons celebrities shouldn't go out in public.Let's look at some of this "journalism:"FIRST
The article suggests that a witness saw Roethlisberger walking through the bar with his penis out. Yet, the only corroborating "evidence" they provide is this:
So the "witness" to this penis flashing didn't even see it, she was told it happened by a 3rd source? The same 3rd source who changed her story several times because she couldn't remember what happened? Yeah, that's credible.SECONDThe source for this story is this woman, Ann Marie Lubatti, who happens to be one of the alleged victim's friends, and she also happens to be the girl who made the alleged victim tell the police what happened. **BTW-the girl originally told the police that she wasn't assaulted, and it was only after her friends "convinced" her that she changed her story (for the first time). This woman has a vested interest in this situation, so she is hardly an un-biased witness. That's not to say that what she says doesn't have any merit, but without any effort on the part of the "journalist" to speak to the other parties (security guards who allegedly ignored her pleas) or 3rd party witnesses, this article is obviously slanted.THIRD
This section is basically the meat of this article, and it is entirely hearsay. This "witness" didn't witness anything, she is merely repeating what she claims the alleged victim told her.This may be exactly what happened, or it may be completely false, or it may be something in between. We dont' know what is true. But uneducated people, who are unable to look at ALL the facts, and evaluate the information and the sources that this information comes from, read stuff like this on the Smoking Gun or TMZ and think "wow, it's in print or on the internet, so it MUST be true!"
Chest Rockwell
Footballguy
CrossEyed
Footballguy
You guys who are so sure what happened in that bar and that it was 100% on Ben, have you watched the
? Seems kind of odd that she can remember so many details but can't remember any of the details of what actually happened in the bathroom. She knows she was raped but couldn't even remember what position she was in. How does that happen?As I've said many times before, I think Ben acted horribly that night and I am not defending any of his actions. I think he was a complete pig. But I think the young lady involved bears some of the responsibility for what happened. She was under age, in a bar, drinking, and wearing a "DTF" button.
? Seems kind of odd that she can remember so many details but can't remember any of the details of what actually happened in the bathroom. She knows she was raped but couldn't even remember what position she was in. How does that happen?As I've said many times before, I think Ben acted horribly that night and I am not defending any of his actions. I think he was a complete pig. But I think the young lady involved bears some of the responsibility for what happened. She was under age, in a bar, drinking, and wearing a "DTF" button.
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