Joe T
Footballguy
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_2909119He did win the Heisman... and he is a good fit for the Broncos system. I'd say they've done well with guys who have less credentials than this guy.
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Ron Dayne, Starting RB Denver Broncos (1 Viewer)
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Joe T
Footballguy
http://www.jacksonholestartrib.com/article...05100078080.txtThis is any man's race boys.Hold on to your hats.I do feel bad for the guys that took Bell so high already though.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
another pre-season, another over hyped ron dayne pre-season.Heisman = nothing. Dayne will be lucky not to get cut.
I know you're fishing here, Joe T., but Ive just got to take the hook.
I still think it is Bell's job to lose. As far as I have heard, he hasn't done anything to lose it. Anderson is looking strong by all accounts, and I've reported that sources have been saying since camp opened that Dayne looks great. Now there is another blurb in the Rocky Mountain News this morning about how he looks like a new man.
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Shanahan also said he believed running back Ron Dayne, signed in free agency, has continued to make the most of his practice opportunities.
"Ron Dayne really has helped himself," Shanahan said.
Now, I take coachspeak with a huge grain of salt, since they invariably say tyhat everyone looks good. However, as opposed to the contradictions between Shanahan's remarks on Clarett to those of camp observers, the camp watchers have concurred that Dayne looks really good.
Yesterday I heard that Dayne had been moved to #2 on the depth chart from two different training camp sources.
If this keeps up when the real hitting starts, I could forsee a move back to FB for Anderson. That would be a shame for Kyle Johnson, but it would get two very good runners on the field at the same time for DEN.
I still think it is Bell's job to lose. As far as I have heard, he hasn't done anything to lose it. Anderson is looking strong by all accounts, and I've reported that sources have been saying since camp opened that Dayne looks great. Now there is another blurb in the Rocky Mountain News this morning about how he looks like a new man.
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Shanahan also said he believed running back Ron Dayne, signed in free agency, has continued to make the most of his practice opportunities.
"Ron Dayne really has helped himself," Shanahan said.
Now, I take coachspeak with a huge grain of salt, since they invariably say tyhat everyone looks good. However, as opposed to the contradictions between Shanahan's remarks on Clarett to those of camp observers, the camp watchers have concurred that Dayne looks really good.
Yesterday I heard that Dayne had been moved to #2 on the depth chart from two different training camp sources.
If this keeps up when the real hitting starts, I could forsee a move back to FB for Anderson. That would be a shame for Kyle Johnson, but it would get two very good runners on the field at the same time for DEN.
This messageboard wreaks of sheep. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon to bash a guy like Ron Dayne. Starting last summer Ron Dayne became a changed player and started showing a burst he hadn't dispalyed since college. Tom Coughlin didn't give Ron Dayne much opportunity last year, except on short yardage where the O-line couldn't give Dayne a crease. Anyways, I'm not at all surprised Dayne is doing well.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
Bob Henry
Footballguy
I'm no Dayne apologist, but he still has accomplished more than Mo Clarett who gets a lot more positive hype. I still believe this is Bell's race to lose.. or Anderson's but it's hard to imagine Anderson hold down the job a full 16 games given his age and recent injuries. Yet the guy has the attitude and work ethic to do it - if anyone could in the same situation.
CalBear
Footballguy
Ron Dayne averaged 3.4 yards per carry in 2004; below his career average of 3.5 ypc. He actually started the first game, and had 45 yards on 13 carries (3.5 ypc). After 9 carries for 12 yards in game 2 (1.3 ypc), Coughlin had seen enough, and stuck with Tiki Barber, who averaged 4.7 ypc in the same offense. Mike Cloud averaged 4.3 ypc in the same offense and scored 3 TDs to Dayne's 1 despite getting less than half the number of carries.Dayne is a chump.
strykerpks
Footballguy
To be fair, your topic states "Starting" RB, while Shanny states "getting some playing time"Big difference.
That being said, I'm a Badger fan so I would love to see Dayne flourish in Denver. However he's got a big hill to climb. I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon just yet, but I'll hold off on the yearly Dayne bashing as well.
ICON211
Footballguy
I don't believe that Ron Dayne ever really got a fair shot with the Giants. Big backs need to get lots of carries to get going and punish a defense. Dayne was constantly shuffled in and out and never was allowed to get a rhythm. At the end under Coughlin he would sit on the bench until a third and one came up and Coughlin would trot him onto the field and everyone in the stadium knew he was getting the ball, then he people would kill him for failing. IMO the guy never really got a shot to show what he might be capable of.
Plenty of guys have excelled in that type of role so I don't think that's a valid argument.
CalBear
Footballguy
Here is Ron Dayne's resume of 15+ carry games:
+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| 1 ari | 23 78 | -2 | 1 || 2 phi | 21 50 | 0 | 0 || 3 chi | 19 69 | 0 | 0 || 7 dal | 21 108 | 0 | 1 || 9 phi | 25 93 | 12 | 1 || 10 cle | 19 64 | 0 | 0 || 13 ari | 24 85 | 0 | 1 || 14 was | 18 57 | 1 | 0 || 2 kan | 16 46 | 0 | 1 || 3 nor | 19 111 | 7 | 1 || 4 was | 16 39 | 0 | 0 || 5 ram | 20 88 | 9 | 1 || 6 phi | 16 32 | 15 | 0 || 8 dal | 17 52 | 30 | 0 || 9 ari | 19 49 | 8 | 1 || 15 dal | 19 80 | 0 | 2 |312 carries for 1101 yards, 3.5 ypc average. So he doesn't do any better when he gets the ball a lot.Dayne's fourth-quarter performance since 2002: 3.23 yards per carry. So he does even worse late in the game.
The guy's a chump.
Once upon a time, there was a RB from the University of Oregon that was drafted into the NFL with great fanfare & aplomb from the NFL team. Yet even though this team was a perennial loser and needed a starting RB desperately, this RB just could never gain any traction. He was so bad that the team let him go to DEN for loose change & some pocket lint. This RB then got converted to a FB so that he could stay in the league and draw a paycheck. Over his first 3 years playing, he averaged a measly 2.4 ypc with exactly 1 TD.The all of a sudden, DEN RBs started dropping like flies. One got his finger broken in a facemask, another one tore a groin on special teams, and a third tore his ACL. Suddenly there was no one left but the loser RB turned FB to run the football. So Mikey the coach turns to his FB and says, "Hey kid, do you think you can at least hold onto the ball and push the pile forward a few plays a game?" So the RB turned FB lines up at RB, and Whoosh! Off he goes! He plays what amounts to 10 complete games as a featured RB, and in those 10 games' worth of carries, he averages 118.3 ypg rushing and scores 8 TDs.
True story. Happened last year to previous complete flop Rueben Droughns.
So please drop the sheep crap. Dayne accomplished one hell of a lot more than Droughns did prior to arriving in DEN, and Droughns went off when he got the chance in the DEN rushing game. Please don't tell me that Dayne can't run in that system if a guy like Droughns can put up huge numbers (or O Gary, for that matter - who also showed that outside of DEN he was nothing more than an also-ran).
Do I think dayne wins the job? No way. Do I think he could run for very good yards in the DEN system given the chance? Absolutely.
NYG Endzone
Footballguy
Misconception. Ron Dayne is NOT a bruising type back. But he is big. His problem with the Giants was that he thought he could dance behind the line instead of making better judgments and hitting the holes quick.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
My problem with Dayne has been that, though a big man, he has not run as a power back. He seems tentative. He dances indecisively before making his cuts, and when he does go it is with short tentative steps. I want to see him make one decisive and powerful move with longer stides and higher knee action. This guy needs to pattern his game after the Bus, Riggins, Cszonka, O.J Anderson.It will be interesting to see if Denver gets him squared away. Is Bobby Turner still the R.B. coach? He has done some good things with the backs given him. If so, I say there is some chance dayne resurrects his career, though I am betting on Bell as the starter and with Anderson as a full back with increased passes coming his way ala a kind of Henderson/Tony Fischer role.
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Banger
Footballguy
Dayne has gotten chance after chance, he's been out of shape at times, had a bad attitude and been in the doghouse, etc. Something has to be said about EARNING your chances as well, being so good that they can't keep you off the field and Dayne has never done that. I live in the NY area and year after year and in the offseason you would hear that Dayne looks great, he's lost weight and now we'll see the return of thunder and lightning. Every year it was the same thing, regardless of the coach. Then when the bullets started flying he would fall on his face/get stuffed at the line and the Giants would go to what worked - Tiki. He's had plenty of chances in the past and has done nothing with them. Could it be that he just isn't that good?
CalBear
Footballguy
Droughns was a late third-round pick, #81 overall. Hardly "great fanfare" around most third-round running backs, especially when they are drafted by the Lions.Droughns had just a total of 39 carries in three years before he came to Denver; you can't compare his career to Dayne's at all. Droughns had done nothing; Dayne has failed repeatedly.
August 16, 2004Something no one is mentioning about Ron Dayne 2004 is a Contract Year
March 3, 2004
Ron Dayne news changes his attitude.
June 17, 2003
Ron Dayne, in 2004??
Etc etc etc every single year. This isnt a bandwagon, its the common sense mobile. Its not bashing to say that Michael Bays next movie is going to be cheesy and full of explosions, that the next Aerosmith album will have 6 interchangeable songs with slightly different lyrics, or that Ron Dayne will average less than 4 yards a carry even if he's playing behind an all HOF o-line. Its just looking at history and drawing the obvious conclusion.
If Dayne had a yard for every 'Dayne finally hitting his stride' thread every posted he might actually be a thousand yard rusher. Just do a search on his name, if that doesnt bring you back to earth there is no hope for you.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Dayne has always struck me as soft for a man his size. He wants to be a dancing tailback in the Sanders, Allen mold when he should run like Brockington or Wilder.Come on Dayne you #####, toughen up and get a career. It's out there just waiting for you. What's that, you say like the leopard you refuse to change yours spots, that's a shame.
General Malaise
Footballguy
he was a mid third round pick sandwiched between JR Redmond and Doug Chapman. Not sure fanfare and aplomb are accurate here.Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Careful GM. I sense an "open your mouth and close your eyes and get ready for a big surprise" moment in your future if you do not answer carefully.I'm telling you, there was. Would I lie to you, GM?
he was a mid third round pick sandwiched between JR Redmond and Doug Chapman. Not sure fanfare and aplomb are accurate here.
B-Deep
Footballguy
2 pages on the stay Puff Marshmallow Man winning the Broncos job. Really? Seriously? I'd put the odds on Tony Dorsett coming out of retirement and reviving his legendary Bronco career to win the starting job just slightly ahead of the odds that Dayne wins the job.Somewhere in Wisconsin there is a Krispy Kreme waiting to hire Dayne, I wish he'd just find it already.
General Malaise
Footballguy
That's not true. he was named the starter in Detroit for the game against Tampa Bay on November 11th. I only know because I actually started him and got his sizzling 13 for 30 that day.
General Malaise
Footballguy
of course you would!This was the same year they signed James Stewart...I must have missed the fanfare and aplomb in Detroit.I'm telling you, there was. Would I lie to you, GM?
he was a mid third round pick sandwiched between JR Redmond and Doug Chapman. Not sure fanfare and aplomb are accurate here.
ffldrew
Footballguy
For those of you outside of Denver reading this here is a bit of informationThe writer Jim Armstrong is orginally from Wisconsin, he went to the University of Wisconsin and perhaps he has a bit of badger red colored glasses on here.So before you start to take a hit off the Ron Dayne crack pipe - be warned!
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doomsdaydoc
Footballguy
DAYNE CANNOT BE THE #1 BACK
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
The Denver backfield is like the hydra, if you cut one, two more backs grow back in it's place.No, just 5 of the last 6.I agree, but it does seem like we say this every year.
