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Ron Wolf on Samkon Gado (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Man in the yellow hat
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Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Dominic Rhodes (pre-ACL)Started final 10 games as replacement for injured Edgerrin James…was 233-1,104, 9 TDs rushing, 34-224 receiving (1,328 scrimmage yards) and 14-25.4, 1 TD KOR…rushing yards marked most ever by an undrafted rookie free agent in NFL history
Fred Lane
Jack Ham & Eggs
Footballguy
I have Ahman Green in two leagues, so if he puts up big numbers and holds his job that's great. But Samkon Gado isn't a fly-by-nighter. This dude came straight off the practice squad and lit it up. He's very young, has good size, great speed, and by all accounts is very bright and a hard worker. Not a bad package to start out with.
Also, his knee injury was pretty minor. He sat the remainder of the year because you don't ruin a prized young player when your season is going nowhere.
His fantasy value in the short-term may be limited, but why anyone would think Gado's long-term future doesn't appear at least reasonably bright is absolutely beyond me. He's already flashed the skills and they aren't going to just disappear overnight. If anything, due to his inexperience, he should refine them and get even better.
Also, his knee injury was pretty minor. He sat the remainder of the year because you don't ruin a prized young player when your season is going nowhere.
His fantasy value in the short-term may be limited, but why anyone would think Gado's long-term future doesn't appear at least reasonably bright is absolutely beyond me. He's already flashed the skills and they aren't going to just disappear overnight. If anything, due to his inexperience, he should refine them and get even better.
Red Apples
Footballguy
sam gado is the real deal.
you heard it here first.
you heard it here first.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
One of the worst offensive lines....I think not....Chad Clifton and Mark Tausher are one of the best tandem tackle sets in the NFL....yes the interior wasn't good....but they are very good.Gado also did this with Brett Favre as his QB(that allows for only 7 man fronts most of the time and Driver was a go to WR.
nightshift
Footballguy
Not really. Green isn't healthy now. Probably get re-injured early and Gado will be faetured from that point forward.
H.K.
Footballguy
Maybe the defenses were keying on Green to shut down the run, then when Ahman got hurt they focused on stopping the pass? Here are some interesting numbers to chew on:Favre's numbers in games 1-5 with defenses preparing for Ahman:
Completion % 64.5
Yards Passing 1,256
Pass yards per game 251
TD's 12
INT's 8
Packer points per game: 24.8
Favre's numbers in Weeks 8-14, defenses preparing for an offense without Green, but with Gado:
Completion % 56.9
Yards Passing 1,455
Pass Yards per game 207
TD's 4
INT's 11
Packer points per game: 14.3
There are probably numerous other reasons for Favre's sharp decline in performance (i.e. - schedule or injuries), but I highly doubt that DC's across the NFL gave Gado the same focus they gave Ahman when preparing for the Packers. Doesn't it make sense that Favre had an easier time with the threat of a Pro- Bowl Green behind him to keep defenses honest, and Gado benefited from not getting the same defensive focus from game plans?. Think about it for just a second - Who would you prepare for if you played Green Bay last season: the undrafted fifth string rookie RB or the Canton bound Super Bowl winning QB?
OK, shifting gears to my previous question, so far we have found four undrafted FA RB's who have made an impact recently:
Holmes - stud, but he played at a major college program and ended up in a system tailor made for RB's with an awesome OL
Rhodes - one year wonder
Lane - another flash in the pan
FWP - Major talent for a Div 1 college program who got lost in the shuffle of a coaching change while there, but shined behind a great OL in PIT....still barely got over 50% of the RB carries....2006 will be a telling year for him.
Anyone see a trend? Gado seems to have a situation more similar to Lane and Rhodes than he does Holmes & FWP with regards to pedigree and system.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
GADO IS GOD 
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trader jake
Guest
interesting, but flaVVed: the packers "game" against the saints makes this statistical comparison almost worthless
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Donnybrook
Footballguy
The Viking D, on the other hand, owned him. 10 carries for 7 yards.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
I believe Michael Pittman was undrafted and he's been a reasonably effective starter/feature back in his career.
I like what Gado did and he helped me a lot in my main money league.
One thing we haven't mentioned though was the season ending injury he had. It was a tear of some knee ligament. Nt the major one, ACL. Maybe it was the PCL. But, that is something to consider. Gado will have some rehabbing to do in the offseason himself. And given that he never played at Liberty and he had a season ending injury for the Packers after what a 6-8 game stretch, we are overlooking the downside of Gado, that he could have injuries/ injury capacity that will limit his effectiveness. We have a small sample size to work with so we can't tell on the injury front.
He will have issues with job security. Green though is 30 and full of injury worms so there is some upside in that situation. Downside is we don't know the plans of Packer's brass. MOney says if they don't resign Dookie, they draft a back in the mid to late rounds to at least be a #3 RB. Green's on a one year deal and even if Gado can be a starter, they need a #2 back in the fold as you don't count Green as an all year solution at the position.
Oh, Marcell Shipp started for a year as well.
I like what Gado did and he helped me a lot in my main money league.
One thing we haven't mentioned though was the season ending injury he had. It was a tear of some knee ligament. Nt the major one, ACL. Maybe it was the PCL. But, that is something to consider. Gado will have some rehabbing to do in the offseason himself. And given that he never played at Liberty and he had a season ending injury for the Packers after what a 6-8 game stretch, we are overlooking the downside of Gado, that he could have injuries/ injury capacity that will limit his effectiveness. We have a small sample size to work with so we can't tell on the injury front.
He will have issues with job security. Green though is 30 and full of injury worms so there is some upside in that situation. Downside is we don't know the plans of Packer's brass. MOney says if they don't resign Dookie, they draft a back in the mid to late rounds to at least be a #3 RB. Green's on a one year deal and even if Gado can be a starter, they need a #2 back in the fold as you don't count Green as an all year solution at the position.
Oh, Marcell Shipp started for a year as well.
Big Score
Footballguy
I agree with this premise holds some water for maybe Gado's first two good games. Even then I would expect any DC worth his salt to make half time adjustments if Gado and the running game were beating up on the D.After Gado's first & second good games, I'd say the cats out of the bag and DC's would've definitely begun game planning for him.
However, more than likely most posters thinking Green will be the #1 back for Green Bay this year are right, barring complete melt down or injury.
I agree with this but I also think H.K. makes a valid point: there is just no way you are going to take Gado as seriously as you would take Green especially early in the season. Its true that later in the season Gado was clearly the only thing working for the Pack, but if it was game 2 of the season and i knew Walker was hurt, stopping Green would be my primary concern. If its late in the season Favre would still scare me more than Gado- just a resume thing.
H.K.
Footballguy
OK, here are the numbers after removing the Saints game (which was 52-3)Favre
260 Yards passing per game w/Green vs. 207 w/Gado
9 TD's passing w/ Green in four games vs. 4 TD's passing with Gado in 7 games
8 Int's passing w/Green in four games vs. 11 Int's passing with Gado in 7 games
Packers scored 18 points per game w/Green, vs. 14.3 with Gado
Favre's numbers are still much better than what he did after they lost Ahman.
BTW, as long as we are playing the "take out his best game" card, here is what the Gado looks like when you take out his game vs. the Lions -
114 Carries
411 Yards
3.6 YPC
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Jack Ham & Eggs
Footballguy
We could take out Green's best game ... no, wait, he didn't have any.BTW, as long as we are playing the "take out his best game" card, here is what the Gado looks like when you take out his game vs. the Lions -
114 Carries
411 Yards
3.6 YPC
OK, he did have a good first game. After that, stink bombs.The problem with including Favre's huge game was that it made his stats go from mediocre to really good ... and Green didn't even play in that game! He didn't have diddly to do with that performance, so no way he should get credit.If any Gado game should be thrown out, and I typically oppose the selective arguments like "except for this game" or even worse "except for that carry", it's the first start of his career. He averaged 4.4 ypc after that. Six more starts and he was really good in five of them. He finished VERY well.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
With Najeh leaving town (or at least it looks like he is) expect the Packers to go into the draft with Gado as the #2. But I bet they look at RB with a 2nd day pick, possibly a 3rd rounder. Then it will be open competition for the #2 spot.
But, the #2 spot will have a good chance of seeing playing time considering Ahman's injuries the last couple of years....
But, the #2 spot will have a good chance of seeing playing time considering Ahman's injuries the last couple of years....
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Why exactly are you bumping seemingly every Gado thread ever created?Had to bump one more...some good stuff in this thread.Have a great weekend boys!
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
It's only three threads and it's good reading considering he was traded this week. Deal with it and move along.Why exactly are you bumping seemingly every Gado thread ever created?
taz
Footballguy
Why exactly are you bumping seemingly every Gado thread ever created?
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
I could start another Larry Johnson is a bust thread.Why exactly are you bumping seemingly every Gado thread ever created?
This year and Last year!
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
Because Flavved has become a self fulfilling prophecy. In the beginning he thought Gado was a poor player and he said it so many times that he actually convinved himself that he was worse than he is. Now Flavved is ignoring all information as he has deluded himself to the fact that Gado has no value. Flavved is bumping his manic rantings about Gado as he sees Gado as having the opportunity to be a full time starter as his opportunity to validate his foolishness because he is "sure" Gado will fail, and he wants to be known as the genius who knew better. It is sad how when Gado suceeds he will deny it until the bitter end pointing to a poor game, a insignifigant hole in his play, or perhaps the surrounding cast and will remain the crackpopt that everyone likes to laugh at. Of course I could be wrong since I have had Flavved on ignore for some time, if Flavved has seen the light about Gado someone let me know so I can once again enjoy Flavved posts with the new and improved rational Flavved.Why exactly are you bumping seemingly every Gado thread ever created?
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
It's amazing the impact I can have on some people.Because Flavved has become a self fulfilling prophecy. In the beginning he thought Gado was a poor player and he said it so many times that he actually convinved himself that he was worse than he is. Now Flavved is ignoring all information as he has deluded himself to the fact that Gado has no value. Flavved is bumping his manic rantings about Gado as he sees Gado as having the opportunity to be a full time starter as his opportunity to validate his foolishness because he is "sure" Gado will fail, and he wants to be known as the genius who knew better. It is sad how when Gado suceeds he will deny it until the bitter end pointing to a poor game, a insignifigant hole in his play, or perhaps the surrounding cast and will remain the crackpopt that everyone likes to laugh at. Of course I could be wrong since I have had Flavved on ignore for some time, if Flavved has seen the light about Gado someone let me know so I can once again enjoy Flavved posts with the new and improved rational Flavved.Why exactly are you bumping seemingly every Gado thread ever created?
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
But it was a "manic ranting"Good call fla\/\/ed.And it isn't hard to read into that. Green and Davenport are free agents so yes, Gado will go into the OFF-SEASON as the leading candidate to start at halfback while those two are free agents.I'm pleased with how Gado performed and can't wait to see him get ready for 2006. However, I feel the Packers will bring back Green and let those two fight it out in training camp. Gado will make for the best Green insurance the Packers can have. If Gado can beat out Green, that will be great too.
(and all of that above is thrown out the window if the Packers get Reggie Bush)
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
I see Flavved has posted under me.
If he is saying "You know what, I do think Gado is bad, but maybe not as bad as I originally thought you may be right!" Someone let me know as Flavved has regained his senses.
But he is probably saying "I am not obsessed with Sam Gado, despite posting in "Ron Wolf on Samkon Gado", "Love that Gado!", "Gado's World 2006 -- Are you on the bandwagon?","Samkon Gado Traded to Houston for Morency, "Poll: Wali Lundy, Ron Dayne or Samkon Gado" in the last 48 hours.
Poor guy is in denial.
If he is saying "You know what, I do think Gado is bad, but maybe not as bad as I originally thought you may be right!" Someone let me know as Flavved has regained his senses.
But he is probably saying "I am not obsessed with Sam Gado, despite posting in "Ron Wolf on Samkon Gado", "Love that Gado!", "Gado's World 2006 -- Are you on the bandwagon?","Samkon Gado Traded to Houston for Morency, "Poll: Wali Lundy, Ron Dayne or Samkon Gado" in the last 48 hours.
Poor guy is in denial.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
You have him on Ignore too? Good times.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Ok....lets breakdown your comments in your previous attack on me.
Where I have written that Gado has no value in Houston? What info am I ignoring? That the Packers gave up on Gado? That Gado isn't guaranteed to be the starter in Houston? That Houston has indicated it may be a RBBC?
So far the Gado detractors have been more correct about Gado than the Gado supporters. Also, show me these "manic rantings" about Gado?
I don't know what a crackpopt is?
What light is there to see so far for Gado? I hope it works out for him in Houston but at this point all it is wishful thinking to think he will do well in Houston because they run a similar system as the Packers do. There are others here that write much more negative things about Gado than I do.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Please god, don't.Fla\/\/ed said:I could start another Larry Johnson is a bust thread.taz said:Mungo Burrows said:Why exactly are you bumping seemingly every Gado thread ever created?Fla\/\/ed said:
