Ronnie Brown In Danger Of Losing His Starting Job? (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

From RotoWorld:

Dolphins coach Tony Sparano has yet to decide who is better suited to being a starter between Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams.

Sparano likes Williams' energy when he comes in for Brown, and he compared the situation to the Cowboys "two-headed monster" with Marion Barber bringing energy behind Julius Jones. Brown remains a great player who will excel once he's fully healthy, but it's clear that he's going to lose significant value to Ricky early in the season.

Source: Miami Herald

Related: Ricky Williams

 

[Ripleys]

riiiiiight.

 

[stevegamer]

It's team Parcells, anything is possible with guys who are from the old regime(s).

 

[sholditch]

I've stopped reading the blurbs there and started reading the linked articles instead, for good reason:

''Who comes into the game warm or who needs to start the game to be warm is kind of an issue,'' Sparano said. ``Last week, Ronnie started the game, we got him touches early in the game, but there's Ricky kind of chomping at the bit to get in, and I wasn't sure how he would enter.''

Sparano said he liked Williams' 'energy' when he relieved Brown.

Seems like a mixed bag, but the second statement suggests that Brown is going to be the starter spelled by Ricky.

ETA: Found this too...

Thu, Aug 14 Coach Tony Sparano plans on getting Brown (knee) more extensive activity in Saturday's preseason game against the Jaguars, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports.

 

[bcr8f]

Reporters trying to recycle stories. Sparano has already said both will play.

 

[sholditch]

Given the lack of skill talent basically at all other positions, I could easily see a situation where both saw about 15-20 touches a game. Touches, not carries.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I dont doubt that R.brown will be spelled by Ricky heavily especially early in the season.

But this is not a RBBC IMO

 

[=Smackdown=]

RUN RICKY RUN LIVES !!!

 

[zamboni]

One has to remember that Parcells and Sparano did not draft Brown. There's no incumbent advantage here.

 

[Football Jones]

Not sure how Miami will play it early on this season. I do believe by week 6 we're going to see Brown getting the vast majority of touches & playing very well, tho.

 

[DoubleG]

This is obviously just a ploy...

...oh forget it.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

One has to remember that Parcells and Sparano did not draft Brown. There's no incumbent advantage here.

No, just a talent and committment advantage. The Dolphins would be crazy to make Ricky a big part of their offense.

 

[bcr8f]

Given the lack of skill talent basically at all other positions, I could easily see a situation where both saw about 15-20 touches a game. Touches, not carries.

They should both be used a lot in the passing game. I don't see Brown starting the season with that injury.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I've stopped reading the blurbs there and started reading the linked articles instead, for good reason:

''Who comes into the game warm or who needs to start the game to be warm is kind of an issue,'' Sparano said. ``Last week, Ronnie started the game, we got him touches early in the game, but there's Ricky kind of chomping at the bit to get in, and I wasn't sure how he would enter.''

Sparano said he liked Williams' 'energy' when he relieved Brown.

Seems like a mixed bag, but the second statement suggests that Brown is going to be the starter spelled by Ricky.

ETA: Found this too...

Thu, Aug 14 Coach Tony Sparano plans on getting Brown (knee) more extensive activity in Saturday's preseason game against the Jaguars, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports.

How is that any different than what the blurb said? Ronnie is definitely going to lose value to Ricky, especially early in the season.

Did not Julius Jones lose value to Marion Barber? Did not Sparano himself make the comparison? And isn't Ricky running much better right now than a hesitant Ronnie Brown coming off of ACL surgery?

I mean, the whole picture is right there in front of you. Do you just not want to see it?

 

[burd]

Ronnie Brown went in the 5th round and Ricky went in the 12th in a 10 team, redraft on Wednesday.

With so much speculation that the Dolphins are going to be bad this year, plus the possibility of a split backfield, I avoided both players. Although i do think the guy who picked up Ricky in the 12th played it smart in that he potentially gets a starting RB for only a 12th round pick.

 

[switz]

Well, if Ricky Williams' head is in the game, he's a far better RB than Ronnie Brown. Add to that Brown recovering from a knee injury, and it's pretty easy to see why Sparano hasn't made a clear decision on who will be the starter yet. I honestly think Williams will get the job.

 

[switz]

One has to remember that Parcells and Sparano did not draft Brown. There's no incumbent advantage here.

No, just a talent and committment advantage. The Dolphins would be crazy to make Ricky a big part of their offense.

Talent goes to Ricky, by a wide margin.Commitment? We'll see... Ricky historically hasn't had that much commitment to the NFL, though he has said time and again he loves "football" just not so much "NFL football"

 

[Banger]

Does R. Brown have an attitude problem or something? Last year he was getting replaced by Chatman, this year its Ricky. Does he need to motivation? I'm asking because I don't know but it just seems wierd.

 

[Irish]

One has to remember that Parcells and Sparano did not draft Brown. There's no incumbent advantage here.

No, just a talent and committment advantage. The Dolphins would be crazy to make Ricky a big part of their offense.

IMHO Ricky Williams is the more talented back. He also is the more flaky one though.

 

[FavreCo]

Does R. Brown have an attitude problem or something? Last year he was getting replaced by Chatman, this year its Ricky. Does he need to motivation? I'm asking because I don't know but it just seems wierd.

I don't know but Brown looked like he wanted to kick the coach's ### as he walked to the sidelines after taking the team down the field only to be replaced by...Chatman.

 

[ThePittbully]

It's team Parcells, anything is possible with guys who are from the old regime(s).

which regime is that?

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Does R. Brown have an attitude problem or something? Last year he was getting replaced by Chatman, this year its Ricky. Does he need to motivation? I'm asking because I don't know but it just seems wierd.

No, he's coming off an ACL injury, so (like any RB) he's just not that good until he's recovered. Meanwhile, Ricky is good. Beatwriters and coaches have mentioned several times that he's been by far the best offensive player in Dolphins camp.

 

[Banger]

Does R. Brown have an attitude problem or something? Last year he was getting replaced by Chatman, this year its Ricky. Does he need to motivation? I'm asking because I don't know but it just seems wierd.

No, he's coming off an ACL injury, so (like any RB) he's just not that good until he's recovered. Meanwhile, Ricky is good. Beatwriters and coaches have mentioned several times that he's been by far the best offensive player in Dolphins camp.

It just seems odd that nearly the same scenario played out last year with him and Chatman. Coincidence I guess....

 

[Gr00vus]

Does R. Brown have an attitude problem or something? Last year he was getting replaced by Chatman, this year its Ricky. Does he need to motivation? I'm asking because I don't know but it just seems wierd.

No, he's coming off an ACL injury, so (like any RB) he's just not that good until he's recovered. Meanwhile, Ricky is good. Beatwriters and coaches have mentioned several times that he's been by far the best offensive player in Dolphins camp.

I don't understand people not realizing Williams is the best player they have on offense right now - what has Ronnie Brown ever done to make people think he's a better RB than Williams? You shouldn't need a beatwriter or coach to make you understand this, it just is.

The only questions are age and mental attitude - which are somewhat offset by Brown's injury recovery and the low mileage on Ricky these last 4 years. And it sounds like Ricky is into it.

Brown's ADP is too high, and Williams' ADP makes him a bargain right now.

Expectations should be further tempered by the fact that the run D's in their division are pretty tough.

 

[sholditch]

Does R. Brown have an attitude problem or something? Last year he was getting replaced by Chatman, this year its Ricky. Does he need to motivation? I'm asking because I don't know but it just seems wierd.

I think this board has a reality problem.

 

[sholditch]

Does R. Brown have an attitude problem or something? Last year he was getting replaced by Chatman, this year its Ricky. Does he need to motivation? I'm asking because I don't know but it just seems wierd.

No, he's coming off an ACL injury, so (like any RB) he's just not that good until he's recovered. Meanwhile, Ricky is good. Beatwriters and coaches have mentioned several times that he's been by far the best offensive player in Dolphins camp.

I don't understand people not realizing Williams is the best player they have on offense right now - what has Ronnie Brown ever done to make people think he's a better RB than Williams? You shouldn't need a beatwriter or coach to make you understand this, it just is.

The only questions are age and mental attitude - which are somewhat offset by Brown's injury recovery and the low mileage on Ricky these last 4 years. And it sounds like Ricky is into it.

Brown's ADP is too high, and Williams' ADP makes him a bargain right now.

Expectations should be further tempered by the fact that the run D's in their division are pretty tough.

Man, I'm sorry, but the chest-puffing, why-is-everyone-so-much-dumber-than-me attitude in the SP has gotten completely out of hand.

 

[Todem]

I dont doubt that R.brown will be spelled by Ricky heavily especially early in the season.

But this is not a RBBC IMO

Wrong...flat out wrong. RBBC is the way it will be this season.

Ricky has looked tremendous all off season and so far through camp and his first pre-seson game. Ronniehas a long way to go. He is 10 months removed from an ACL injury people. Expect at least a 30% decline in what you think he will do.

It is becoming very clear here in South Florida that Ricky will touch it at least 10-15 times a game.

 

[MarcO]

Does R. Brown have an attitude problem or something? Last year he was getting replaced by Chatman, this year its Ricky. Does he need to motivation? I'm asking because I don't know but it just seems wierd.

No, he's coming off an ACL injury, so (like any RB) he's just not that good until he's recovered. Meanwhile, Ricky is good. Beatwriters and coaches have mentioned several times that he's been by far the best offensive player in Dolphins camp.

I don't understand people not realizing Williams is the best player they have on offense right now - what has Ronnie Brown ever done to make people think he's a better RB than Williams? You shouldn't need a beatwriter or coach to make you understand this, it just is.

The only questions are age and mental attitude - which are somewhat offset by Brown's injury recovery and the low mileage on Ricky these last 4 years. And it sounds like Ricky is into it.

Brown's ADP is too high, and Williams' ADP makes him a bargain right now.

Expectations should be further tempered by the fact that the run D's in their division are pretty tough.

the last time I saw Ricky run in the NFL he had 6 carries for 15 yards, and he did not exactly tear up the CFL. And since I can't watch Dolphin practices - I do need a beat writer or a coach to tell me.Call me crazy but I don't have much confidence in the guy even if, as you say, "he sounds like he's into it"...

 

[sholditch]

I dont doubt that R.brown will be spelled by Ricky heavily especially early in the season.

But this is not a RBBC IMO

Wrong...flat out wrong. RBBC is the way it will be this season.Ricky has looked tremendous all off season and so far through camp and his first pre-seson game. Ronniehas a long way to go. He is 8 months removed from an ACL injury people. Expect at least a 30% decline in what you think he will do.

It is becoming very clear here in South Florida that Ricky will touch it at least 10-15 times a game.

you've been sigged

 

[gregjcross]

I dont doubt that R.brown will be spelled by Ricky heavily especially early in the season.

But this is not a RBBC IMO

Wrong...flat out wrong. RBBC is the way it will be this season.

Ricky has looked tremendous all off season and so far through camp and his first pre-seson game. Ronniehas a long way to go. He is 8 months removed from an ACL injury people. Expect at least a 30% decline in what you think he will do.

It is becoming very clear here in South Florida that Ricky will touch it at least 10-15 times a game.

The Dolphisn would be insane to give Ronnie extensive carries coming off such an injury when Ricky Williams is healthy and sober. Sparano has been Crystal Clear that he wont overuse Brown early.

So, I can't see why this thread is so heated, when everyone has known all this stuff --that its a shared situation --- since March.

But, I guess some people like to spar about RBBC, have at it!

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Does R. Brown have an attitude problem or something? Last year he was getting replaced by Chatman, this year its Ricky. Does he need to motivation? I'm asking because I don't know but it just seems wierd.

No, he's coming off an ACL injury, so (like any RB) he's just not that good until he's recovered. Meanwhile, Ricky is good. Beatwriters and coaches have mentioned several times that he's been by far the best offensive player in Dolphins camp.

I don't understand people not realizing Williams is the best player they have on offense right now - what has Ronnie Brown ever done to make people think he's a better RB than Williams? You shouldn't need a beatwriter or coach to make you understand this, it just is.

How about being the best RB in fantasy football through 7 weeks last year, on a totally dismal offense? Don't get me wrong I do think this will be RBBC until RB proves he's over the ACL, which may not come until 2009. But Ronnie Brown is a talent, as seen by his 5.1 ypc last year, and being one of the games best receiving and blocking backs. I'd say that's what he's done recently.

 

[Todem]

Does R. Brown have an attitude problem or something? Last year he was getting replaced by Chatman, this year its Ricky. Does he need to motivation? I'm asking because I don't know but it just seems wierd.

No, he's coming off an ACL injury, so (like any RB) he's just not that good until he's recovered. Meanwhile, Ricky is good. Beatwriters and coaches have mentioned several times that he's been by far the best offensive player in Dolphins camp.

I don't understand people not realizing Williams is the best player they have on offense right now - what has Ronnie Brown ever done to make people think he's a better RB than Williams? You shouldn't need a beatwriter or coach to make you understand this, it just is.

How about being the best RB in fantasy football through 7 weeks last year, on a totally dismal offense? Don't get me wrong I do think this will be RBBC until RB proves he's over the ACL, which may not come until 2009. But Ronnie Brown is a talent, as seen by his 5.1 ypc last year, and being one of the games best receiving and blocking backs. I'd say that's what he's done recently.

That was my whole point as well. Ronnie is a talent (took him last year to finally show his true potential) and hopefully will make a full recovery.

 

[Peter Lemonjello]

One has to remember that Parcells and Sparano did not draft Brown. There's no incumbent advantage here.

No, just a talent and committment advantage. The Dolphins would be crazy to make Ricky a big part of their offense.

IMHO Ricky Williams is was the more talented back. He also is the more flaky one though.

This isn't 2002. I don't know that Ricky's better at this point in his career than what we saw from Ronnie last year.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Does R. Brown have an attitude problem or something? Last year he was getting replaced by Chatman, this year its Ricky. Does he need to motivation? I'm asking because I don't know but it just seems wierd.

No, he's coming off an ACL injury, so (like any RB) he's just not that good until he's recovered. Meanwhile, Ricky is good. Beatwriters and coaches have mentioned several times that he's been by far the best offensive player in Dolphins camp.

I don't understand people not realizing Williams is the best player they have on offense right now - what has Ronnie Brown ever done to make people think he's a better RB than Williams? You shouldn't need a beatwriter or coach to make you understand this, it just is.

Watch Ronnie run. Coming off injury Ricky is probably far better, but in my opinion the gap between a healthy Brown and Ricky isn't that wide. Ricky is better but Ronnie is pretty darn good.

 

[gump]

I'm supposed to believe that Ricky Williams, the Over 30 RB (gasp!) who came in for 6 carries last year and promptly exiting stage left with a shoulder injury, is more talented than the RB who was leading the NFL in total yards after 7 games?

I will have to see this with my own eyes to believe it.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I'm supposed to believe that Ricky Williams, the Over 30 RB (gasp!) who came in for 6 carries last year and promptly exiting stage left with a shoulder injury, is more talented than the RB who was leading the NFL in total yards after 7 games?I will have to see this with my own eyes to believe it.

If you want to make your case on a select set of individual facts and not the whole picture, I would like to ask which one has been selected to start in the Pro-Bowl?

 

[gump]

I'm supposed to believe that Ricky Williams, the Over 30 RB (gasp!) who came in for 6 carries last year and promptly exiting stage left with a shoulder injury, is more talented than the RB who was leading the NFL in total yards after 7 games?I will have to see this with my own eyes to believe it.

If you want to make your case on a select set of individual facts and not the whole picture, I would like to ask which one has been selected to start in the Pro-Bowl?

The only facts to me are the ones I saw last year with my own eyes. RB looked big, athletic, and fast...Ricky had 6 carries for 15 yards and looked old. It was raining...I'll give him that.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I'm supposed to believe that Ricky Williams, the Over 30 RB (gasp!) who came in for 6 carries last year and promptly exiting stage left with a shoulder injury, is more talented than the RB who was leading the NFL in total yards after 7 games?I will have to see this with my own eyes to believe it.

If you want to make your case on a select set of individual facts and not the whole picture, I would like to ask which one has been selected to start in the Pro-Bowl?

The only facts to me are the ones I saw last year with my own eyes. RB looked big, athletic, and fast...Ricky had 6 carries for 15 yards and looked old. It was raining...I'll give him that.

So you are basing your judgment on who is more talented on a single year, one in which one of the people you are comparing had six carries before being injured? Seems odd to me, but whatever works for you.

 

[gump]

I'm supposed to believe that Ricky Williams, the Over 30 RB (gasp!) who came in for 6 carries last year and promptly exiting stage left with a shoulder injury, is more talented than the RB who was leading the NFL in total yards after 7 games?I will have to see this with my own eyes to believe it.

If you want to make your case on a select set of individual facts and not the whole picture, I would like to ask which one has been selected to start in the Pro-Bowl?

The only facts to me are the ones I saw last year with my own eyes. RB looked big, athletic, and fast...Ricky had 6 carries for 15 yards and looked old. It was raining...I'll give him that.

So you are basing your judgment on who is more talented on a single year

Yes, since that year was '07. If this ACL injury has slowed RB, then I understand the gap may be closer. But still want to see it for myself...no way I believe what I'm hearing from this board and practice.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB in the league last year before he went down with a knee injury. Chatman was used by the idiot coach at the time to light a fire under Brown.

With that said, they'll be very carefull with Brown early on. Ricky will see most of the work early in the season with Brown getting more carries as the season progresses.

Say what you want about Ricky Williams - he's the biggest flake in the league, but the man can flat out run with the football.

 

[Irish]

One has to remember that Parcells and Sparano did not draft Brown. There's no incumbent advantage here.

No, just a talent and committment advantage. The Dolphins would be crazy to make Ricky a big part of their offense.

IMHO Ricky Williams is was the more talented back. He also is the more flaky one though.

This isn't 2002. I don't know that Ricky's better at this point in his career than what we saw from Ronnie last year.

This isn't 2007 either. Brown is recovering from a torn ACL. So far in their career's Williams has proven to be the more talented.

 

[Gr00vus]

Does R. Brown have an attitude problem or something? Last year he was getting replaced by Chatman, this year its Ricky. Does he need to motivation? I'm asking because I don't know but it just seems wierd.

No, he's coming off an ACL injury, so (like any RB) he's just not that good until he's recovered. Meanwhile, Ricky is good. Beatwriters and coaches have mentioned several times that he's been by far the best offensive player in Dolphins camp.

I don't understand people not realizing Williams is the best player they have on offense right now - what has Ronnie Brown ever done to make people think he's a better RB than Williams? You shouldn't need a beatwriter or coach to make you understand this, it just is.

The only questions are age and mental attitude - which are somewhat offset by Brown's injury recovery and the low mileage on Ricky these last 4 years. And it sounds like Ricky is into it.

Brown's ADP is too high, and Williams' ADP makes him a bargain right now.

Expectations should be further tempered by the fact that the run D's in their division are pretty tough.

Man, I'm sorry, but the chest-puffing, why-is-everyone-so-much-dumber-than-me attitude in the SP has gotten completely out of hand.

 

[kylechoffman]

Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB in the league last year before he went down with a knee injury. Chatman was used by the idiot coach at the time to light a fire under Brown.With that said, they'll be very carefull with Brown early on. Ricky will see most of the work early in the season with Brown getting more carries as the season progresses.Say what you want about Ricky Williams - he's the biggest flake in the league, but the man can flat out run with the football.

This is what most have been preaching around these parts all offseasonTo me, if you get ronnie, get ricky too. Its the only play to make, just like it was to get LJ when you selected priest in the first and chester last year and this if you selected ADP.

 

[footballnerd]

They need each other to stay healthy, RBBC no doubt.

 

[Floyd The Barber]

I've stopped reading the blurbs there and started reading the linked articles instead, for good reason:

''Who comes into the game warm or who needs to start the game to be warm is kind of an issue,'' Sparano said. ``Last week, Ronnie started the game, we got him touches early in the game, but there's Ricky kind of chomping at the bit to get in, and I wasn't sure how he would enter.''

Sparano said he liked Williams' 'energy' when he relieved Brown.

Seems like a mixed bag, but the second statement suggests that Brown is going to be the starter spelled by Ricky.

ETA: Found this too...

Thu, Aug 14 Coach Tony Sparano plans on getting Brown (knee) more extensive activity in Saturday's preseason game against the Jaguars, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports.

How is that any different than what the blurb said? Ronnie is definitely going to lose value to Ricky, especially early in the season.

Did not Julius Jones lose value to Marion Barber? Did not Sparano himself make the comparison? And isn't Ricky running much better right now than a hesitant Ronnie Brown coming off of ACL surgery?

I mean, the whole picture is right there in front of you. Do you just not want to see it?

Yes. This RB combo has had the Julius / MBIII blueprint all over it since the day Parcells signed on. To me it was only a question of which one assumed each role.

The smart money in all re-drafters is Ricky in the 8th-10th (or later) over Ronnie in the 2nd-4th.

Oh, and BTW, Ricky is totally unrestricted after this year...

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm supposed to believe that Ricky Williams, the Over 30 RB (gasp!) who came in for 6 carries last year and promptly exiting stage left with a shoulder injury, is more talented than the RB who was leading the NFL in total yards after 7 games?I will have to see this with my own eyes to believe it.

If you want to make your case on a select set of individual facts and not the whole picture, I would like to ask which one has been selected to start in the Pro-Bowl?

I'm honestly not understanding the whole "Ricky is clearly the more talented RB" line of thought. Ricky's career ypc is 4.0. Brown's is 4.4. Williams had one REALLY good year 6 years ago. Brown is certainly coming off of a bad injury and it's absolutely fair to consider that when comparing the two. But I'm not sure how anyone could possibly say that Ricky is so much more naturally talented than Brown.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

If this ACL injury has slowed RB, then I understand the gap may be closer.

We are sitting right at 9+ months since the surgery. Being so recent, I dont see how an "IF" can be used.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

generally when debating the raw talent of two top 3 nfl draft pick running backs the detractors look a little blatant withtheir bias.

 

[Peter Lemonjello]

I'm supposed to believe that Ricky Williams, the Over 30 RB (gasp!) who came in for 6 carries last year and promptly exiting stage left with a shoulder injury, is more talented than the RB who was leading the NFL in total yards after 7 games?I will have to see this with my own eyes to believe it.

If you want to make your case on a select set of individual facts and not the whole picture, I would like to ask which one has been selected to start in the Pro-Bowl?

I would ask which one hasn't had his head screwed on straight for the past four years?

 

[j3r3m3y]

I'm supposed to believe that Ricky Williams, the Over 30 RB (gasp!) who came in for 6 carries last year and promptly exiting stage left with a shoulder injury, is more talented than the RB who was leading the NFL in total yards after 7 games?I will have to see this with my own eyes to believe it.

If you want to make your case on a select set of individual facts and not the whole picture, I would like to ask which one has been selected to start in the Pro-Bowl?

I would ask which one hasn't had his head screwed on straight for the past four years?

And I could reply "Which one is coming off an ACL injury?"And that is kinda my point. It is useless to use single data points to determine who has the most "talent".