Ronnie Brown In Danger Of Losing His Starting Job? (1 Viewer)

[Drunken Cowboy]

I've stopped reading the blurbs there and started reading the linked articles instead, for good reason:

''Who comes into the game warm or who needs to start the game to be warm is kind of an issue,'' Sparano said. ``Last week, Ronnie started the game, we got him touches early in the game, but there's Ricky kind of chomping at the bit to get in, and I wasn't sure how he would enter.''

Sparano said he liked Williams' 'energy' when he relieved Brown.

Seems like a mixed bag, but the second statement suggests that Brown is going to be the starter spelled by Ricky.

ETA: Found this too...

Thu, Aug 14 Coach Tony Sparano plans on getting Brown (knee) more extensive activity in Saturday's preseason game against the Jaguars, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports.

It doesn't matter who starts. Touches are all that matter.

 

[Jon_Moore]

From RotoWorldolphins coach Tony Sparano has yet to decide who is better suited to being a starter between Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams.Sparano likes Williams' energy when he comes in for Brown, and he compared the situation to the Cowboys "two-headed monster" with Marion Barber bringing energy behind Julius Jones. Brown remains a great player who will excel once he's fully healthy, but it's clear that he's going to lose significant value to Ricky early in the season.Source: Miami HeraldRelated: Ricky Williams

I don't see where it says the coach has mentioned anything of Brown NOT starting. No quote on that. Sounds like the writer's speculation.

 

[North]

This is deja vu for Brown as he went this this same thing last year at this time. This year however he has competition for the spot. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 50/50 split this year between he and Williams.

 

[Saint]

I have to agree with switz and a couple of others here. I mean let's look at this situation. I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well, the first year back he played way below his ADP. The fact is, Brown hasn't played a whole game at full speed since the injury. There is no way he is going to take a full workload early on. For folks drafting him as a RB1, you're nuts. Parcells tends to distribute the carries to his RBs, he is not a one RB fan. I can't see why he would change his style after many years of proven success.

Now I don't love Ricky and I don't hate Ronnie.... The point is.. if I am going to draft a conistent RB, Ronnie is not a guy I would be counting on as I think there is too much risk with Parcells and the ACL injury. On the other hand, Ricky in the 12th round with the upside of outplaying his ADP, well that does make sense.

My 2 cents....

*** Edited to correct earlier response based on gman's post... ***

 

[gman8343]

I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well... he hasn't produced since.

Edge hasn't produced since his ACL tear in 2001? I can understand someone saying he lost a step after his injury, or was never quite the same, but saying Edge hasn't produced since he was hurt makes absoultely no sense to me. He's put up 1500+ rushing yds twice and 1200+ rushing yds twice in the six season since his ACL tear, and the other two seasons he had 1300+ total yds. I'd say he's been productive.

 

[Saint]

I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well... he hasn't produced since.

Edge hasn't produced since his ACL tear in 2001? I can understand someone saying he lost a step after his injury, or was never quite the same, but saying Edge hasn't produced since he was hurt makes absoultely no sense to me. He's put up 1500+ rushing yds twice and 1200+ rushing yds twice in the six season since his ACL tear, and the other two seasons he had 1300+ total yds. I'd say he's been productive.

Allow me to correct.. you're right gman, he has been productive. I'll restate the 1st year after his injury he was less than 1,000 yards with only 2 TDs... He really wasn't productive the first year back from his injury.

 

[gman8343]

I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well... he hasn't produced since.

Edge hasn't produced since his ACL tear in 2001? I can understand someone saying he lost a step after his injury, or was never quite the same, but saying Edge hasn't produced since he was hurt makes absoultely no sense to me. He's put up 1500+ rushing yds twice and 1200+ rushing yds twice in the six season since his ACL tear, and the other two seasons he had 1300+ total yds. I'd say he's been productive.

Allow me to correct.. you're right gman, he has been productive. I'll restate the 1st year after his injury he was less than 1,000 yards with only 2 TDs... He really wasn't productive the first year back from his injury.

Gotcha, on that we're in agreement -- it took him a while to come back.

 

[Jon_Moore]

I have to agree with switz and a couple of others here. I mean let's look at this situation. I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well, the first year back he played way below his ADP. The fact is, Brown hasn't played a whole game at full speed since the injury. There is no way he is going to take a full workload early on. For folks drafting him as a RB1, you're nuts. Parcells tends to distribute the carries to his RBs, he is not a one RB fan. I can't see why he would change his style after many years of proven success.Now I don't love Ricky and I don't hate Ronnie.... The point is.. if I am going to draft a conistent RB, Ronnie is not a guy I would be counting on as I think there is too much risk with Parcells and the ACL injury. On the other hand, Ricky in the 12th round with the upside of outplaying his ADP, well that does make sense.My 2 cents....*** Edited to correct earlier response based on gman's post... ***

Oh, I don't think Ronnie is a top 12 running back this year. I think the James situation is a great comparison. He should start to show some signs of fantasy life late in the season, and be poised for a big 2009.Still, in the original post, there was nothing from the coach stating Williams would start. I think there's going to be a definite RBBC in Miami this year though. I just think Brown has more fantasy value than Williams

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well... he hasn't produced since.

Edge hasn't produced since his ACL tear in 2001? I can understand someone saying he lost a step after his injury, or was never quite the same, but saying Edge hasn't produced since he was hurt makes absoultely no sense to me. He's put up 1500+ rushing yds twice and 1200+ rushing yds twice in the six season since his ACL tear, and the other two seasons he had 1300+ total yds. I'd say he's been productive.

Allow me to correct.. you're right gman, he has been productive. I'll restate the 1st year after his injury he was less than 1,000 yards with only 2 TDs... He really wasn't productive the first year back from his injury.

By the same token, Jamal Lewis, Deuce Mcallister, and Javon Walker all came back from their injury and produced right on, if not better than their career averages.

 

[zoonation]

Anyone who doesn't realize that this will be a full blown RBBC are living out of their heads. Brown has never shown he can be a primary back for a full season...in college or the NFL. Ricky has always been a special talent, although admittedly with some issues. He is fresh though, and has one of he best football minds, from a coaching perspective.

reading people's opinions on this issue is hilarious; Brown will NEVER be a primary 300-350 carry back. He isn't durable enough. Miami knows they will have to run the ball and they have two great backs to do it. Why would anyone even try to convince themselves that they will feature Brown when the guy is coming off major ACL and there is a great option in Ricky on the roster. The NFL is about winning, not stats.

In the non-fantasy NFL the Dolphins will be pragmatic and make use of fresh legs and different running styles.

People, Ronny Brown will never be a horse; the '08 Dolphins are the new RBBC committee NFL personified.

 

[zoonation]

I have to agree with switz and a couple of others here. I mean let's look at this situation. I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well, the first year back he played way below his ADP. The fact is, Brown hasn't played a whole game at full speed since the injury. There is no way he is going to take a full workload early on. For folks drafting him as a RB1, you're nuts. Parcells tends to distribute the carries to his RBs, he is not a one RB fan. I can't see why he would change his style after many years of proven success.Now I don't love Ricky and I don't hate Ronnie.... The point is.. if I am going to draft a conistent RB, Ronnie is not a guy I would be counting on as I think there is too much risk with Parcells and the ACL injury. On the other hand, Ricky in the 12th round with the upside of outplaying his ADP, well that does make sense.My 2 cents....*** Edited to correct earlier response based on gman's post... ***

Oh, I don't think Ronnie is a top 12 running back this year. I think the James situation is a great comparison. He should start to show some signs of fantasy life late in the season, and be poised for a big 2009.Still, in the original post, there was nothing from the coach stating Williams would start. I think there's going to be a definite RBBC in Miami this year though. I just think Brown has more fantasy value than Williams

Not if you look at ADP. RW is optimal fantasy "value this year. Brown is not, with no upside and massive downside.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I have to agree with switz and a couple of others here. I mean let's look at this situation. I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well, the first year back he played way below his ADP. The fact is, Brown hasn't played a whole game at full speed since the injury. There is no way he is going to take a full workload early on. For folks drafting him as a RB1, you're nuts. Parcells tends to distribute the carries to his RBs, he is not a one RB fan. I can't see why he would change his style after many years of proven success.

Now I don't love Ricky and I don't hate Ronnie.... The point is.. if I am going to draft a conistent RB, Ronnie is not a guy I would be counting on as I think there is too much risk with Parcells and the ACL injury. On the other hand, Ricky in the 12th round with the upside of outplaying his ADP, well that does make sense.

My 2 cents....

*** Edited to correct earlier response based on gman's post... ***

Oh, I don't think Ronnie is a top 12 running back this year. I think the James situation is a great comparison. He should start to show some signs of fantasy life late in the season, and be poised for a big 2009.Still, in the original post, there was nothing from the coach stating Williams would start. I think there's going to be a definite RBBC in Miami this year though. I just think Brown has more fantasy value than Williams

Not if you look at ADP. RW is optimal fantasy "value this year. Brown is not, with no upside and massive downside.

Brown certainly has some very good upside to his ADP. If his knee doesnt hinder him, he can be a top 10 RB.

 

[zoonation]

I have to agree with switz and a couple of others here. I mean let's look at this situation. I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well, the first year back he played way below his ADP. The fact is, Brown hasn't played a whole game at full speed since the injury. There is no way he is going to take a full workload early on. For folks drafting him as a RB1, you're nuts. Parcells tends to distribute the carries to his RBs, he is not a one RB fan. I can't see why he would change his style after many years of proven success.

Now I don't love Ricky and I don't hate Ronnie.... The point is.. if I am going to draft a conistent RB, Ronnie is not a guy I would be counting on as I think there is too much risk with Parcells and the ACL injury. On the other hand, Ricky in the 12th round with the upside of outplaying his ADP, well that does make sense.

My 2 cents....

*** Edited to correct earlier response based on gman's post... ***

Oh, I don't think Ronnie is a top 12 running back this year. I think the James situation is a great comparison. He should start to show some signs of fantasy life late in the season, and be poised for a big 2009.Still, in the original post, there was nothing from the coach stating Williams would start. I think there's going to be a definite RBBC in Miami this year though. I just think Brown has more fantasy value than Williams

Not if you look at ADP. RW is optimal fantasy "value this year. Brown is not, with no upside and massive downside.

Brown certainly has some very good upside to his ADP. If his knee doesnt hinder him, he can be a top 10 RB.

not a chance...won't get the touches to do it. they are going to give ricky the ball...maybe a lot.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I have to agree with switz and a couple of others here. I mean let's look at this situation. I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well, the first year back he played way below his ADP. The fact is, Brown hasn't played a whole game at full speed since the injury. There is no way he is going to take a full workload early on. For folks drafting him as a RB1, you're nuts. Parcells tends to distribute the carries to his RBs, he is not a one RB fan. I can't see why he would change his style after many years of proven success.

Now I don't love Ricky and I don't hate Ronnie.... The point is.. if I am going to draft a conistent RB, Ronnie is not a guy I would be counting on as I think there is too much risk with Parcells and the ACL injury. On the other hand, Ricky in the 12th round with the upside of outplaying his ADP, well that does make sense.

My 2 cents....

*** Edited to correct earlier response based on gman's post... ***

Oh, I don't think Ronnie is a top 12 running back this year. I think the James situation is a great comparison. He should start to show some signs of fantasy life late in the season, and be poised for a big 2009.Still, in the original post, there was nothing from the coach stating Williams would start. I think there's going to be a definite RBBC in Miami this year though. I just think Brown has more fantasy value than Williams

Not if you look at ADP. RW is optimal fantasy "value this year. Brown is not, with no upside and massive downside.

Brown certainly has some very good upside to his ADP. If his knee doesnt hinder him, he can be a top 10 RB.

not a chance...won't get the touches to do it. they are going to give ricky the ball...maybe a lot.

We seem to be crossing signals. Im not saying he will be top 10. Im saying he does have some legitimate upside in comparison to his ADP.

 

[Jon_Moore]

I have to agree with switz and a couple of others here. I mean let's look at this situation. I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well, the first year back he played way below his ADP. The fact is, Brown hasn't played a whole game at full speed since the injury. There is no way he is going to take a full workload early on. For folks drafting him as a RB1, you're nuts. Parcells tends to distribute the carries to his RBs, he is not a one RB fan. I can't see why he would change his style after many years of proven success.

Now I don't love Ricky and I don't hate Ronnie.... The point is.. if I am going to draft a conistent RB, Ronnie is not a guy I would be counting on as I think there is too much risk with Parcells and the ACL injury. On the other hand, Ricky in the 12th round with the upside of outplaying his ADP, well that does make sense.

My 2 cents....

*** Edited to correct earlier response based on gman's post... ***

Oh, I don't think Ronnie is a top 12 running back this year. I think the James situation is a great comparison. He should start to show some signs of fantasy life late in the season, and be poised for a big 2009.Still, in the original post, there was nothing from the coach stating Williams would start. I think there's going to be a definite RBBC in Miami this year though. I just think Brown has more fantasy value than Williams

Not if you look at ADP. RW is optimal fantasy "value this year. Brown is not, with no upside and massive downside.

Brown certainly has some very good upside to his ADP. If his knee doesnt hinder him, he can be a top 10 RB.

not a chance...won't get the touches to do it. they are going to give ricky the ball...maybe a lot.

I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous. Brown has no upside and a ton of downside. He can't be a work horse back, they're going to give it to Ricky, alot? Can you tell me the last time Ricky played a 16 game season? 2003

It was 2005 the last time he played more than one game in the NFL.

Whatever those reasons are that he hasn't, he hasn't. Weed, flaking into retirement, suspensions, injuries. But, I should consider him reliable...and not Brown.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Me love me some Ricky. Say it slowly: Ricky is the best player on the Dolphins right now. There's a reason why everyone has said likewise all offseason. And until Ronnie can show he's back, that's going to remain the case.

This is a committee. As has been said all offseason, this is Julius and Marion part 2. I don't think Ronnie's in danger of losing his starting spot (for what it matters), as Sparano said himself he loves the energy Ricky brings in relief.

 

[Irish]

I have to agree with switz and a couple of others here. I mean let's look at this situation. I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well, the first year back he played way below his ADP. The fact is, Brown hasn't played a whole game at full speed since the injury. There is no way he is going to take a full workload early on. For folks drafting him as a RB1, you're nuts. Parcells tends to distribute the carries to his RBs, he is not a one RB fan. I can't see why he would change his style after many years of proven success.

Now I don't love Ricky and I don't hate Ronnie.... The point is.. if I am going to draft a conistent RB, Ronnie is not a guy I would be counting on as I think there is too much risk with Parcells and the ACL injury. On the other hand, Ricky in the 12th round with the upside of outplaying his ADP, well that does make sense.

My 2 cents....

*** Edited to correct earlier response based on gman's post... ***

Oh, I don't think Ronnie is a top 12 running back this year. I think the James situation is a great comparison. He should start to show some signs of fantasy life late in the season, and be poised for a big 2009.Still, in the original post, there was nothing from the coach stating Williams would start. I think there's going to be a definite RBBC in Miami this year though. I just think Brown has more fantasy value than Williams

Not if you look at ADP. RW is optimal fantasy "value this year. Brown is not, with no upside and massive downside.

Brown certainly has some very good upside to his ADP. If his knee doesnt hinder him, he can be a top 10 RB.

not a chance...won't get the touches to do it. they are going to give ricky the ball...maybe a lot.

I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous. Brown has no upside and a ton of downside. He can't be a work horse back, they're going to give it to Ricky, alot? Can you tell me the last time Ricky played a 16 game season? 2003

It was 2005 the last time he played more than one game in the NFL.

Whatever those reasons are that he hasn't, he hasn't. Weed, flaking into retirement, suspensions, injuries. But, I should consider him reliable...and not Brown.

Thanks for clarifying.

Team A who drafts player where Ronnie Brown is being drafted and then Ricky Williams>>>>>>>>>>>Team B who drafts Ronnie Brown and player where Ricky Williams is being drafted.

 

[Liquid Tension]

From RotoWorldolphins coach Tony Sparano has yet to decide who is better suited to being a starter between Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams.Sparano likes Williams' energy when he comes in for Brown, and he compared the situation to the Cowboys "two-headed monster" with Marion Barber bringing energy behind Julius Jones. Brown remains a great player who will excel once he's fully healthy, but it's clear that he's going to lose significant value to Ricky early in the season.Source: Miami HeraldRelated: Ricky Williams

I believe this to be true AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. Ronnie is coming back from major surgery and if Ricky is looking as good as they say then why rush Ronnie back, let his ease back in. I get the feeling Ronnie is a better game player than practice player anyway based on pre season issues in the past. That being said, I believe Ronnie is better when he gets the lather going and may struggle with a platoon type role?

 

[Liquid Tension]

I have to agree with switz and a couple of others here. I mean let's look at this situation. I don't care if Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB prior to the injury, as I recall Edge was the same way, got injured, and well, the first year back he played way below his ADP. The fact is, Brown hasn't played a whole game at full speed since the injury. There is no way he is going to take a full workload early on. For folks drafting him as a RB1, you're nuts. Parcells tends to distribute the carries to his RBs, he is not a one RB fan. I can't see why he would change his style after many years of proven success.

Now I don't love Ricky and I don't hate Ronnie.... The point is.. if I am going to draft a conistent RB, Ronnie is not a guy I would be counting on as I think there is too much risk with Parcells and the ACL injury. On the other hand, Ricky in the 12th round with the upside of outplaying his ADP, well that does make sense.

My 2 cents....

*** Edited to correct earlier response based on gman's post... ***

Oh, I don't think Ronnie is a top 12 running back this year. I think the James situation is a great comparison. He should start to show some signs of fantasy life late in the season, and be poised for a big 2009.Still, in the original post, there was nothing from the coach stating Williams would start. I think there's going to be a definite RBBC in Miami this year though. I just think Brown has more fantasy value than Williams

Parcells will have his footprint, but he is not the coach and many people forget about this...