Ronnie Brown (1 Viewer)

[Lab]

I know it might be heresy, but could Ronnie Brown be overrated? Yes, he's good and he's got lots of potential, but are we all sure he's that good? Many mocks I have seen for 2008 put him in the 12-16 ADP range. Has he done enough to justify this?

In three years in the league, he still has never exceeded 5 TDs, and he's gotten 1000 yards only once. His streak of four games in 2007 over 100 yards (before he got injured) were against NYJ, Oak, Hou, Cle -- not very impressive defenses.

I'm not saying he's not good, and I'm not saying he doesn't have potential. I just don't know if he deserves to be ranked so highly. Bush, Maroney, and even Jacobs have proven more.

What do others think? What am I missing?

 

[Englishteacher]

NFL wise, I'm sure there are many opinions on Ronnie Brown. Fantasy wise though, he was an absolute monster last year before getting hurt. I think that had a lot to do with Cameron and how he wanted to run the team. You just have certain NFL situations that dictate things fantasy wise. Who knows what will happen this year in Miami.

 

[Blackjacks]

IF, and that's a key word, IF he could stay healthy I would feel like I got a steal getting in that position. However the facts are he is coming off of an injury that usually takes 10-12 months to recover from (he'll have to start training camp in 8 months after the surgery occured.) Add in the fact the hasn't been the model of consistency for health the last 2 years and I'll pass. I will however say I like Brown to make a big rebound after this year cause I do think his talent is special. Unfortunetly we haven't got to see it on a consistant basis to this point.

 

[gianmarco]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.

Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

 

[JPeso]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Brown is the superior talent. McGahee could be replaced in 2 years if he cannot do what Cameron wants him to do.

 

[gianmarco]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Brown is the superior talent. McGahee could be replaced in 2 years if he cannot do what Cameron wants him to do.

Even if Brown is the superior talent (which I'm not sure I agree with), he was still on an absolutely torrid pace until he got hurt outdoing even the likes of LT and Westbrook. If you think it's his talent that allowed him to put up those #'s, then great. My money will go on Cam Cameron as he's done it numerous times with other RB's and Ronnie had an exponential increase in production last year coinciding with the arrival of Cameron. He simply isn't talented enough nor is Miami good enough for him to even think of approaching the #'s he put up last year without Cam around. He may be good, but he's not THAT good.

 

[Yitbos69]

If by overrated you mean totally awesome.....then yes he is overrated

 

[RustyFA]

I must be much higher on him than most people. I think he shows great ability. Last year he was great. Perhaps the best in the NFL until he was hurt. I don't think 12-16 is bad in redraft or dynasty for him.

Miami did draft an OL with the #1 pick. That can only be an upgrade. Parcells has used his previous RBs well.

Cameron was the guy talking about another RB all offseason to "motivate" RB.

 

[JPeso]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Brown is the superior talent. McGahee could be replaced in 2 years if he cannot do what Cameron wants him to do.

Even if Brown is the superior talent (which I'm not sure I agree with), he was still on an absolutely torrid pace until he got hurt outdoing even the likes of LT and Westbrook. If you think it's his talent that allowed him to put up those #'s, then great. My money will go on Cam Cameron as he's done it numerous times with other RB's and Ronnie had an exponential increase in production last year coinciding with the arrival of Cameron. He simply isn't talented enough nor is Miami good enough for him to even think of approaching the #'s he put up last year without Cam around. He may be good, but he's not THAT good.

If you pass on Brown for McGahee in dynasty, you will be kicking yourself by mid-2008. We can agree to disagree now, and bump this up later. I know you will remember.

 

[cmv5]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.

Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Brown is the superior talent. McGahee could be replaced in 2 years if he cannot do what Cameron wants him to do.

Even if Brown is the superior talent (which I'm not sure I agree with), he was still on an absolutely torrid pace until he got hurt outdoing even the likes of LT and Westbrook. If you think it's his talent that allowed him to put up those #'s, then great. My money will go on Cam Cameron as he's done it numerous times with other RB's and Ronnie had an exponential increase in production last year coinciding with the arrival of Cameron. He simply isn't talented enough nor is Miami good enough for him to even think of approaching the #'s he put up last year without Cam around. He may be good, but he's not THAT good.

When given the opportunity to carry the load Ronnie Brown has delivered. He did this in 2006 as well. If anything, Cam Cameron held him back in the beginning of the season due ot stubbornness. It wasn't until the 3rd game against the Jets that Ronnie Brown couldn't be ignored anymore. Before that Cam was using Ronnie in a comittee with Chatman. What i have noticed is Ronnie Brown needs to get in a groove. He excels when he gets 20 carries or more. As long as his knee is healthy he will be solid. The talent has always been there, the opportunities haven't.

 

[Sweet Love]

I know Parcells is not the coach, but he does have influence here. (Another) IF he is healthy, Parcells will have no issue running him into the ground to see what he can do. While I would not want to be Brown in this situation, for FF ballers, this would be good short-term news. He made Adrian Murrell look like a very good running back when he had him and I remember a game where he made Murrell carry the ball 30+ times, just because...The kicker is that Murrell (I think it was in 97), had no viable backup, where Brown has RW. I think the safe bet with Beck and Henne at QB, is that Miami plans on running a lot. Question is, will Brown be healthy enough to take advantage.

 

[gregjcross]

I know it might be heresy, but could Ronnie Brown be overrated? Yes, he's good and he's got lots of potential, but are we all sure he's that good? Many mocks I have seen for 2008 put him in the 12-16 ADP range. Has he done enough to justify this? In three years in the league, he still has never exceeded 5 TDs, and he's gotten 1000 yards only once. His streak of four games in 2007 over 100 yards (before he got injured) were against NYJ, Oak, Hou, Cle -- not very impressive defenses. I'm not saying he's not good, and I'm not saying he doesn't have potential. I just don't know if he deserves to be ranked so highly. Bush, Maroney, and even Jacobs have proven more.What do others think? What am I missing?

I had to check if this was from last August when many said he was questionable #2 in fantasy. Um, yeah, he was outpacing LT2, Gore, SJAX, Addai and LJ among many others when he had hte freak injury which occured on a INT tackle.But edited to say, of course he is a risk until you see him make a cut on the new ACL. Seems players are recovering more quickly these days but you dont know until you know.

 

[Englishteacher]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.

Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

I like McGahee's situation now more than last year. Cameron is a very competent O Coordinator.

 

[jgb95]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.

Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

I like McGahee's situation now more than last year. Cameron is a very competent O Coordinator.

My only problem is Boller / Flacco at QB

 

[gianmarco]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.

Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

I like McGahee's situation now more than last year. Cameron is a very competent O Coordinator.

My only problem is Boller / Flacco at QB

Which is much worse than Cleo Lemon/Trent Green was last year?

 

[=Smackdown=]

Brown was the #1 RB in all purpose yards last year before the injury - the loss of Cameron will not slow him down.

Parcells, Sparano & Henning all like to run the ball. It might not be as soon as this year but the Dolphins Oline will be pretty good eventually . . .

LT - Long

LG - Smiley

C - Satele

RG - Murphy

RT - Carey

The Dolpins are going to run the ball to the left side a ton next year due to the acquisition of Jake Long + Ronnie Brown being a lefty.

 

[jgb95]

Brown was the #1 RB in all purpose yards last year before the injury - the loss of Cameron will not slow him down.Parcells, Sparano & Henning all like to run the ball. It might not be as soon as this year but the Dolphins Oline will be pretty good eventually . . .LT - LongLG - SmileyC - SateleRG - MurphyRT - CareyThe Dolpins are going to run the ball to the left side a ton next year due to the acquisition of Jake Long + Ronnie Brown being a lefty.

Good POINT!

 

[travdogg]

If people are looking at Brown's half season(or so) and thinking he can sustain that for an entire season than yes he's VERY overrated.

I have Brown and McGahee about 15th at RB. I think if I had to go with one I'd lean ever so slightly toward Brown. I'd be very nervous if either of them were my RB1.

 

[travdogg]

I know it might be heresy, but could Ronnie Brown be overrated? Yes, he's good and he's got lots of potential, but are we all sure he's that good? Many mocks I have seen for 2008 put him in the 12-16 ADP range. Has he done enough to justify this?

In three years in the league, he still has never exceeded 5 TDs, and he's gotten 1000 yards only once. His streak of four games in 2007 over 100 yards (before he got injured) were against NYJ, Oak, Hou, Cle -- not very impressive defenses.

I'm not saying he's not good, and I'm not saying he doesn't have potential. I just don't know if he deserves to be ranked so highly. Bush, Maroney, and even Jacobs have proven more.

What do others think? What am I missing?

I can see Bush and certainly Maroney, but I can't imagine anyone would take Jacobs over Brown.

 

[Kirby]

Parcells didn't even have his stuffed moved into his office and he had a letter out to Ricky's agent letting them know his contract would be renewed.

 

[JPeso]

I can see Bush and certainly Maroney, but I can't imagine anyone would take Jacobs over Brown.

That would be a big, big mistake.

 

[Gatorman]

Not sure what there is to say. Ronnie Brown is a fantasy enigma this year due to 1) a coaching change; 2) an injury; 3) A good backup; and 4) what should be an improved offensive line.

So lets go through these changes:

1) Coaching: This is going to be a run first team, and Brown *Should* be the primary ballcarrier. He is also likely the RB to stay in on third down since he is the best receiver of all the RBs we have here (at the moment). This is a Plus!

2) Injury: Ronnie will be coming back from an injury, which makes him a lower pick for me in leagues like No Mercy (where you pick very early), and a higher pick depending on how he shakes out in TC.

3) A good Backup: RW is still fairly young, but both with Miami last year and in Canada the year before he had season ending injuries very early in his "comebacks" Not sure if he should factor until we see if HE can avoid the injury bug (or another suspension, but we will assume that that is behind him for this discussion)

4) The O line. More impressive than his numbers last year, was the fact that he did them WHILE BEING HIT BEHIND THE LOS ON A LOT OF HIS CARRIES! If this O line can at least play Neutral at the LOS his YPC should go up immensly.

All of these things make me feel that RB could be one of those RB #2 that act like a #1 (much like he was picked last year). In early drafts I would put him around 18 or so. In later drafts where we get to see him take the field a little, I would be willing to move him up to around 15. Jacobs and McGahee have less ??? than ronnie, so if I am taking the safe route, I would go with them. If I have LT, Addai, or AP on my roster, RB could be the home run that wins me a championship (if he comes back like last eyar)

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I got him as the RB15 in SSL1. I think that's a reasonable place for him. The injury will slow him some and the coaching change will hurt a little, but I think those fears are a little overplayed.

 

[gianmarco]

Brown was the #1 RB in all purpose yards last year before the injury - the loss of Cameron will not slow him down.

2005 -- 4.4 ypc, 2.1 rec/game2006 -- 4.2 ypc, 2.5 rec/game2007 -- 5.1 ypc, 5.6 rec/gameAre you telling me his talent level all of a sudden jumped between last year and his 1st two years? Especially considering how bad the Dolphins were last year compared to previous years with their lack of supporting cast, don't you find it odd that his #'s jumped dramatically, especially his involvement in the passing game? It is no coincidence that the way he was used was similar to how LT was used in SD as a dual threat and why he was so effective. There is a MAJOR reason for this. His name of Cam Cameron. I'm not saying that Ronnie isn't a talented back, but I think some of you are going to be in for a rude awakening if you're not taking into account the hit his #'s are going to take due to losing Cameron to Baltimore. I think people overlook coaching changes too much in projecting fantasy players. It would be foolish to ignore the impact that the loss of Martz is going to have on the passing game in Detroit. They went from being ranked in the mid 20's to having a top 10 passing offense the last 2 yrs. No, Kitna is not THAT good. Certain guys like Norv Turner, Cam Cameron, and Mike Martz have PROFOUND effects on the teams they both join and leave. I really think it's foolish to ignore those effects. I don't think there is any way that Ronnie Brown can replicate the type of #'s he was having last year unless Cameron comes back.

 

[Horses Mouth]

If by overrated you mean totally awesome.....then yes he is overrated

 

[munchkin]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Was that Cameron running behind that putrid line last year? This isn't a Nintendo game where the coach stands on the sideline and controls the players moves. For sure Brown needs to stay healthy in order to reach his potential but all a coach can do is draw up plays. A coach can maximize a players talent but he can't make him perform. If healthy, I believe the new coaching staff will figure out how to use Brown's talents.

 

[gianmarco]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Was that Cameron running behind that putrid line last year? This isn't a Nintendo game where the coach stands on the sideline and controls the players moves. For sure Brown needs to stay healthy in order to reach his potential but all a coach can do is draw up plays. A coach can maximize a players talent but he can't make him perform. If healthy, I believe the new coaching staff will figure out how to use Brown's talents.

Then what's the reason Brown didn't light it up his first 2 yrs like he did in 2007?

 

[gregjcross]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Was that Cameron running behind that putrid line last year? This isn't a Nintendo game where the coach stands on the sideline and controls the players moves. For sure Brown needs to stay healthy in order to reach his potential but all a coach can do is draw up plays. A coach can maximize a players talent but he can't make him perform. If healthy, I believe the new coaching staff will figure out how to use Brown's talents.

Then what's the reason Brown didn't light it up his first 2 yrs like he did in 2007?

Brown was doing VERY WELL 2H of 2006 until he broke his hand in the Lions or Colts game I believe and even came back I think to finish a game or two strong. He was showing the power running despite a really bad O-Line. Two costly injuries around a lot of production is his story for now.

 

[gianmarco]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.

Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Was that Cameron running behind that putrid line last year? This isn't a Nintendo game where the coach stands on the sideline and controls the players moves. For sure Brown needs to stay healthy in order to reach his potential but all a coach can do is draw up plays. A coach can maximize a players talent but he can't make him perform. If healthy, I believe the new coaching staff will figure out how to use Brown's talents.

Then what's the reason Brown didn't light it up his first 2 yrs like he did in 2007?

Brown was doing VERY WELL 2H of 2006 until he broke his hand in the Lions or Colts game I believe and even came back I think to finish a game or two strong. He was showing the power running despite a really bad O-Line. Two costly injuries around a lot of production is his story for now.

Ronnie's 2006 Game LogI see 4 good games. 2 of them came vs. NYJ and one vs. Indy, both of which were atrocious vs. the run. 2 of those games also came in weeks 16/17 (not very helpful). Otherwise, I see a lot of average/below average games. I see nothing that resembles "VERY WELL". I certainly don't see anything resembling what he did in 2007.

 

[jurb26]

I don't think there is any way that Ronnie Brown can replicate the type of #'s he was having last year unless Cameron comes back.

Yes there is and it is very simple actually. 1. He stays healthy for the 1st time in his NFL career.2. Mia actually becomes competitive and Brown has TD opportunities in line with other starting fantasy RBs.

 

[munchkin]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Was that Cameron running behind that putrid line last year? This isn't a Nintendo game where the coach stands on the sideline and controls the players moves. For sure Brown needs to stay healthy in order to reach his potential but all a coach can do is draw up plays. A coach can maximize a players talent but he can't make him perform. If healthy, I believe the new coaching staff will figure out how to use Brown's talents.

Then what's the reason Brown didn't light it up his first 2 yrs like he did in 2007?

Maturity and willingness; dude was never a starter in college; success breeds success.

 

[jeff1013]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

I normally hate to criticize players and coaches but I would not give Crazy Cam the credit for anything positive that may or may have not happened with the dolphins...Just about every move that he made was a joke. While he may have been a very good offensive coordinator with the chargers (with LT I might add) time will tell if he can do it again.

 

[gregjcross]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.

Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Was that Cameron running behind that putrid line last year? This isn't a Nintendo game where the coach stands on the sideline and controls the players moves. For sure Brown needs to stay healthy in order to reach his potential but all a coach can do is draw up plays. A coach can maximize a players talent but he can't make him perform. If healthy, I believe the new coaching staff will figure out how to use Brown's talents.

Then what's the reason Brown didn't light it up his first 2 yrs like he did in 2007?

Brown was doing VERY WELL 2H of 2006 until he broke his hand in the Lions or Colts game I believe and even came back I think to finish a game or two strong. He was showing the power running despite a really bad O-Line. Two costly injuries around a lot of production is his story for now.

Ronnie's 2006 Game LogI see 4 good games. 2 of them came vs. NYJ and one vs. Indy, both of which were atrocious vs. the run. 2 of those games also came in weeks 16/17 (not very helpful). Otherwise, I see a lot of average/below average games. I see nothing that resembles "VERY WELL". I certainly don't see anything resembling what he did in 2007.

ok, well, ffirst you dont mention 157 yards vs. CHI, the D that brought them to the super bowl. Overall, considering that he had four good games and his O line was the worst in the league that year certainly says something about why he did what he did the in 2007 when the O line graduated to average with the play of OC Satelle and they got into a groove.

Is RB perfect? No way. Is he very good given the opportunity, hell yes.

 

[gianmarco]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.

Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Was that Cameron running behind that putrid line last year? This isn't a Nintendo game where the coach stands on the sideline and controls the players moves. For sure Brown needs to stay healthy in order to reach his potential but all a coach can do is draw up plays. A coach can maximize a players talent but he can't make him perform. If healthy, I believe the new coaching staff will figure out how to use Brown's talents.

Then what's the reason Brown didn't light it up his first 2 yrs like he did in 2007?

Brown was doing VERY WELL 2H of 2006 until he broke his hand in the Lions or Colts game I believe and even came back I think to finish a game or two strong. He was showing the power running despite a really bad O-Line. Two costly injuries around a lot of production is his story for now.

Ronnie's 2006 Game LogI see 4 good games. 2 of them came vs. NYJ and one vs. Indy, both of which were atrocious vs. the run. 2 of those games also came in weeks 16/17 (not very helpful). Otherwise, I see a lot of average/below average games. I see nothing that resembles "VERY WELL". I certainly don't see anything resembling what he did in 2007.

ok, well, ffirst you dont mention 157 yards vs. CHI, the D that brought them to the super bowl. Overall, considering that he had four good games and his O line was the worst in the league that year certainly says something about why he did what he did the in 2007 when the O line graduated to average with the play of OC Satelle and they got into a groove.

Is RB perfect? No way. Is he very good given the opportunity, hell yes.

I'm not saying he's not talented or that he's not good. I'm simply saying this. Last year, up until he got hurt, he was the #1 fantasy RB. #1. The Miami O-line + Ronnie Brown's talent level isn't good enough to repeat that. I just don't see him as one of the top, elite talents in the league like LT, SJ, AP, Westy. I think a BIG reason why he was able to put up those #'s last year was Cameron. I may be in the minority, I may be wrong, but that's how I see it. The drastic difference in his #'s last year compared to his first 2 yrs somewhat support the coinciding arrival of Cameron.If some of you truly believe he's capable to be the #1 RB in the league on Miami's offense, then that's fine. I just don't see it nor do I see anything close to it with Cameron being gone. If he were still there, I could see him being top 3-5 easily. But maybe that's just me.

 

[gregjcross]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.

Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Was that Cameron running behind that putrid line last year? This isn't a Nintendo game where the coach stands on the sideline and controls the players moves. For sure Brown needs to stay healthy in order to reach his potential but all a coach can do is draw up plays. A coach can maximize a players talent but he can't make him perform. If healthy, I believe the new coaching staff will figure out how to use Brown's talents.

Then what's the reason Brown didn't light it up his first 2 yrs like he did in 2007?

Brown was doing VERY WELL 2H of 2006 until he broke his hand in the Lions or Colts game I believe and even came back I think to finish a game or two strong. He was showing the power running despite a really bad O-Line. Two costly injuries around a lot of production is his story for now.

Ronnie's 2006 Game LogI see 4 good games. 2 of them came vs. NYJ and one vs. Indy, both of which were atrocious vs. the run. 2 of those games also came in weeks 16/17 (not very helpful). Otherwise, I see a lot of average/below average games. I see nothing that resembles "VERY WELL". I certainly don't see anything resembling what he did in 2007.

ok, well, ffirst you dont mention 157 yards vs. CHI, the D that brought them to the super bowl. Overall, considering that he had four good games and his O line was the worst in the league that year certainly says something about why he did what he did the in 2007 when the O line graduated to average with the play of OC Satelle and they got into a groove.

Is RB perfect? No way. Is he very good given the opportunity, hell yes.

I'm not saying he's not talented or that he's not good. I'm simply saying this. Last year, up until he got hurt, he was the #1 fantasy RB. #1. The Miami O-line + Ronnie Brown's talent level isn't good enough to repeat that. I just don't see him as one of the top, elite talents in the league like LT, SJ, AP, Westy. I think a BIG reason why he was able to put up those #'s last year was Cameron. I may be in the minority, I may be wrong, but that's how I see it. The drastic difference in his #'s last year compared to his first 2 yrs somewhat support the coinciding arrival of Cameron.If some of you truly believe he's capable to be the #1 RB in the league on Miami's offense, then that's fine. I just don't see it nor do I see anything close to it with Cameron being gone. If he were still there, I could see him being top 3-5 easily. But maybe that's just me.

He cant be a 1A back with a recovering ACL and a team playing a rookie QB. But by November, he could be doing very well again if things go decently and they dont overwork him in August/September.

 

[Wildman]

I'd just look at Edgerrin James, Jamal Lewis, and any other back's year removed from an ACL tear. I think Deuce McAllister had a decent season in '06 after his tear but that's about the best I remember and it was far from dominating. Considering the comparison of the teams of all these players to Brown's, I'd rather take a late round flier on Ricky Williams and Jalen Parmalee than pick Brown as my second or even third RB. The fact Lorenzo Booker was traded to Philly should tell you there's some confidence in Williams to do the job and Parmalee was a better fit for their current plan.

 

[az_prof]

Did Cam carry the ball? Please. Dude got fired for being incompetent and now you want to make him responsible for Brown having a good run????? If anything Parcell's being GM is an improvement.As far as those who mention Ricky, the guy is old and hasn't had a decent NFL season in a LONG time. He has never had a good work ethic and so now that he is old, when a work ethic is essential, I find it hard to believe that he will be the second coming of Emmett or Cmart and be a great 30+ year old back. Ricky will run the first four weeks as Brown recovers.

Brown was the #1 RB in all purpose yards last year before the injury - the loss of Cameron will not slow him down.

2005 -- 4.4 ypc, 2.1 rec/game2006 -- 4.2 ypc, 2.5 rec/game2007 -- 5.1 ypc, 5.6 rec/gameAre you telling me his talent level all of a sudden jumped between last year and his 1st two years? Especially considering how bad the Dolphins were last year compared to previous years with their lack of supporting cast, don't you find it odd that his #'s jumped dramatically, especially his involvement in the passing game? It is no coincidence that the way he was used was similar to how LT was used in SD as a dual threat and why he was so effective. There is a MAJOR reason for this. His name of Cam Cameron. I'm not saying that Ronnie isn't a talented back, but I think some of you are going to be in for a rude awakening if you're not taking into account the hit his #'s are going to take due to losing Cameron to Baltimore. I think people overlook coaching changes too much in projecting fantasy players. It would be foolish to ignore the impact that the loss of Martz is going to have on the passing game in Detroit. They went from being ranked in the mid 20's to having a top 10 passing offense the last 2 yrs. No, Kitna is not THAT good. Certain guys like Norv Turner, Cam Cameron, and Mike Martz have PROFOUND effects on the teams they both join and leave. I really think it's foolish to ignore those effects. I don't think there is any way that Ronnie Brown can replicate the type of #'s he was having last year unless Cameron comes back.

 

[az_prof]

I'd just look at Edgerrin James, Jamal Lewis, and any other back's year removed from an ACL tear. I think Deuce McAllister had a decent season in '06 after his tear but that's about the best I remember and it was far from dominating. Considering the comparison of the teams of all these players to Brown's, I'd rather take a late round flier on Ricky Williams and Jalen Parmalee than pick Brown as my second or even third RB. The fact Lorenzo Booker was traded to Philly should tell you there's some confidence in Williams to do the job and Parmalee was a better fit for their current plan.

Booker being traded could just as easily mean he sucks or that Brown is recovering well and the team expects him to be able to carry the load.

 

[geoff8695]

The good news is that Brown's upside resembles a career path similar to that of Jamal Lewis...

The bad news is that the downside is a career that is path similar to that of Kevin Jones...

Here's the most similar first 3yrs in the league comparisons I could find over the last 30 yrs. using the data dominator:

NAME POS YRs G RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD REC RECYD YD/REC RECTD FANT PT

1 Anthony Thomas rb 2001--2003 39 736 2928 3.98 19 55 377 6.85 0 444.50

2 Kevin Jones rb 2004--2006 40 608 2486 4.09 16 109 809 7.42 3 443.50

3 Tony Collins rb 1981--1983 41 587 2554 4.35 18 72 676 9.39 2 443.00

4 Julius Jones rb 2004--2006 37 721 2896 4.02 16 61 469 7.69 0 432.50

5 Ronnie Brown rb 2005--2007 35 567 2517 4.44 13 104 897 8.62 2 431.40

6 Jamal Lewis rb 2000--2002 32 617 2691 4.36 12 74 738 9.97 1 420.90

The bolded RBs are between 5'11" and 6'2" in height and 228 to 240 lbs. in weight, and in my opinion Kevin Jones and Ronnie Brown share the most similar overall skillsets and body types amongst those listed (both are 6'0" tall and 228 to 232lbs.).

I realize that invoking comparisons to Kevin Jones isn't going to win friends and influence people who are Ronnie Brown owners, however they both look like the exact same RB to me.

 

[munchkin]

The good news is that Brown's upside resembles a career path similar to that of Jamal Lewis...

The bad news is that the downside is a career that is path similar to that of Kevin Jones...

Here's the most similar first 3yrs in the league comparisons I could find over the last 30 yrs. using the data dominator:

NAME POS YRs G RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD REC RECYD YD/REC RECTD FANT PT

1 Anthony Thomas rb 2001--2003 39 736 2928 3.98 19 55 377 6.85 0 444.50

2 Kevin Jones rb 2004--2006 40 608 2486 4.09 16 109 809 7.42 3 443.50

3 Tony Collins rb 1981--1983 41 587 2554 4.35 18 72 676 9.39 2 443.00

4 Julius Jones rb 2004--2006 37 721 2896 4.02 16 61 469 7.69 0 432.50

5 Ronnie Brown rb 2005--2007 35 567 2517 4.44 13 104 897 8.62 2 431.40

6 Jamal Lewis rb 2000--2002 32 617 2691 4.36 12 74 738 9.97 1 420.90

The bolded RBs are between 5'11" and 6'2" in height and 228 to 240 lbs. in weight, and in my opinion Kevin Jones and Ronnie Brown share the most similar overall skillsets and body types amongst those listed (both are 6'0" tall and 228 to 232lbs.).

I realize that invoking comparisons to Kevin Jones isn't going to win friends and influence people who are Ronnie Brown owners, however they both look like the exact same RB to me.

Something tells me if you used a larger sampling of running backs that fell into those two height/weight ranges the outcome could look much different. I find it hard to believe there were only 5 rb's that played football in the last 30 years who fit those two criteria. You can't cherry pick three years from a player's career and transpose that info onto another player and deduce much from it. Brown could blow up or fall on his face but it will have more to do with the team around him and his health than anything else. Kevin Jones has a great skill set but he can't stay healthy. Jamal Lewis lost time to jail and fell out of playing shape. If, and it is a big if, Brown gets healthy he will be a good running back once again.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Brown is the superior talent. McGahee could be replaced in 2 years if he cannot do what Cameron wants him to do.

Even if Brown is the superior talent (which I'm not sure I agree with), he was still on an absolutely torrid pace until he got hurt outdoing even the likes of LT and Westbrook. If you think it's his talent that allowed him to put up those #'s, then great. My money will go on Cam Cameron as he's done it numerous times with other RB's and Ronnie had an exponential increase in production last year coinciding with the arrival of Cameron. He simply isn't talented enough nor is Miami good enough for him to even think of approaching the #'s he put up last year without Cam around. He may be good, but he's not THAT good.

Miami's team was bad last year and RB put up great numbers. Do I expect him to keep up that pace...NO, however, to ignore the talent level of RB would be unwise. The knee injury may take him down a notch, but RB was/is a serious talent, much better than any back in this draft IMO. I do not think Cameron deserves all the credit, the OL gave RB a little bit of room last year and he took advantage of it. The line play, coaching, talent of the running back and the game situation is important to help a backs fantasy production. Ronnie's talent level last year was clearly top 10 IMO and possibly top 5, the other factors can change year to year.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I know Parcells is not the coach, but he does have influence here. (Another) IF he is healthy, Parcells will have no issue running him into the ground to see what he can do. While I would not want to be Brown in this situation, for FF ballers, this would be good short-term news. He made Adrian Murrell look like a very good running back when he had him and I remember a game where he made Murrell carry the ball 30+ times, just because...The kicker is that Murrell (I think it was in 97), had no viable backup, where Brown has RW. I think the safe bet with Beck and Henne at QB, is that Miami plans on running a lot. Question is, will Brown be healthy enough to take advantage.

Don't be surprised if McCown is the opening day starter for the Dolphins.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I think the biggest reason that Brown is being overrated is the loss of Cam Cameron. I believe he is 99% of the reason Brown was the monster he was last year. To overlook the loss of Cameron and expect Ronnie to perform at the same level (even if he weren't injured) is naive.Likewise, McGahee should steadily be climbing up the rankings.

Brown is the superior talent. McGahee could be replaced in 2 years if he cannot do what Cameron wants him to do.

Even if Brown is the superior talent (which I'm not sure I agree with), he was still on an absolutely torrid pace until he got hurt outdoing even the likes of LT and Westbrook. If you think it's his talent that allowed him to put up those #'s, then great. My money will go on Cam Cameron as he's done it numerous times with other RB's and Ronnie had an exponential increase in production last year coinciding with the arrival of Cameron. He simply isn't talented enough nor is Miami good enough for him to even think of approaching the #'s he put up last year without Cam around. He may be good, but he's not THAT good.

Miami's team was bad last year and RB put up great numbers. Do I expect him to keep up that pace...NO, however, to ignore the talent level of RB would be unwise. The knee injury may take him down a notch, but RB was/is a serious talent, much better than any back in this draft IMO. I do not think Cameron deserves all the credit, the OL gave RB a little bit of room last year and he took advantage of it. The line play, coaching, talent of the running back and the game situation is important to help a backs fantasy production. Ronnie's talent level last year was clearly top 10 IMO and possibly top 5, the other factors can change year to year.

ETA: The Miami OL from a running standpoint was better this past year than in previous years (comparing putrid to poor). Some credit may be given to Cam, but Satele really helped as well.

 

[Banger]

The big difference between Brown last year and prior years wasn't really the rushing it was his receiving stats. Yes his YPC was better but in his few games (7) he ran against 3 of the worst defenses in the league (and beat up on them big time) and a below avg rush defense. Against good defenses (3) he averaged 3.6 ypc (47 yrds/game) and 0 tds, against the bad defenses he ran for 5.76 ypc and 4 tds.

The REAL difference in his stats and the thing that made him so valuable was his MUCH improved receiving stats. In his 7 games he had 39-389-1. In 2007, his receiving stats were 33-276 in 13 games and in '06 they were 32-232-1 in 17 games. So anyone saying that Cam's impact wasn't dramatic wasn't watching. Will the next OC use him in the same receiving capacity as Cam did? That's the big question and that will determine if he'll be a good RB, like he'd been in prior years, or a top RB.

ETA...consider Jamal Lewis last year... he ran for 5.12 ypc in 8 games vs. poor defenses (189-968) and 3.6 in 7 games vs. good defenses (93-336). R. Brown = Jamal rush wise, the difference is the receiving. If the new OC doesn't feature R. Brown and force feed him the ball, Brown ends up being a a good, not great RB. His receiving numbers extrapolated were 89-900. Those are LT type numbers and guess who his OC was, LT's old OC.

 

[gianmarco]

The big difference between Brown last year and prior years wasn't really the rushing it was his receiving stats. Yes his YPC was better but in his few games (7) he ran against 3 of the worst defenses in the league (and beat up on them big time) and a below avg rush defense. Against good defenses (3) he averaged 3.6 ypc (47 yrds/game) and 0 tds, against the bad defenses he ran for 5.76 ypc and 4 tds.

The REAL difference in his stats and the thing that made him so valuable was his MUCH improved receiving stats. In his 7 games he had 39-389-1. In 2007, his receiving stats were 33-276 in 13 games and in '06 they were 32-232-1 in 17 games. So anyone saying that Cam's impact wasn't dramatic wasn't watching. Will the next OC use him in the same receiving capacity as Cam did? That's the big question and that will determine if he'll be a good RB, like he'd been in prior years, or a top RB.

ETA...consider Jamal Lewis last year... he ran for 5.12 ypc in 8 games vs. poor defenses (189-968) and 3.6 in 7 games vs. good defenses (93-336). R. Brown = Jamal rush wise, the difference is the receiving. If the new OC doesn't feature R. Brown and force feed him the ball, Brown ends up being a a good, not great RB. His receiving numbers extrapolated were 89-900. Those are LT type numbers and guess who his OC was, LT's old OC.

Thank you. This is why I posted his receptions/game. It was this combined yardage that turned him from a RB#2 into the #1 overall RB until his injury. Unless they keep using him the same way (which is Cameron's specialty), he will not be an elite back, injury or not. It's amazing to me how much people downplay the impact that certain OC's and HC's have. Cameron may have been fired for being incompetent overall, but I just do not see Ronnie Brown and the Miami O-line, even when perfectly healthy, able to put up the #'s he did last year without Cameron. As clearly pointed out above, it's Ronnie's involvement in the passing game that made him so valuable.

 

[munchkin]

The big difference between Brown last year and prior years wasn't really the rushing it was his receiving stats. Yes his YPC was better but in his few games (7) he ran against 3 of the worst defenses in the league (and beat up on them big time) and a below avg rush defense. Against good defenses (3) he averaged 3.6 ypc (47 yrds/game) and 0 tds, against the bad defenses he ran for 5.76 ypc and 4 tds.

The REAL difference in his stats and the thing that made him so valuable was his MUCH improved receiving stats. In his 7 games he had 39-389-1. In 2007, his receiving stats were 33-276 in 13 games and in '06 they were 32-232-1 in 17 games. So anyone saying that Cam's impact wasn't dramatic wasn't watching. Will the next OC use him in the same receiving capacity as Cam did? That's the big question and that will determine if he'll be a good RB, like he'd been in prior years, or a top RB.

ETA...consider Jamal Lewis last year... he ran for 5.12 ypc in 8 games vs. poor defenses (189-968) and 3.6 in 7 games vs. good defenses (93-336). R. Brown = Jamal rush wise, the difference is the receiving. If the new OC doesn't feature R. Brown and force feed him the ball, Brown ends up being a a good, not great RB. His receiving numbers extrapolated were 89-900. Those are LT type numbers and guess who his OC was, LT's old OC.

Thank you. This is why I posted his receptions/game. It was this combined yardage that turned him from a RB#2 into the #1 overall RB until his injury. Unless they keep using him the same way (which is Cameron's specialty), he will not be an elite back, injury or not. It's amazing to me how much people downplay the impact that certain OC's and HC's have. Cameron may have been fired for being incompetent overall, but I just do not see Ronnie Brown and the Miami O-line, even when perfectly healthy, able to put up the #'s he did last year without Cameron. As clearly pointed out above, it's Ronnie's involvement in the passing game that made him so valuable.

Cam Cameron did not invent the forward pass. Is he a very good coordinator, yes, but he can't make chicken salad out of chicken ----. His play calling did affect the Brown's stats but he is not the only coach that passes the ball to rb's. Seems to me that Bill Parcells has coached a few games before and knows something about how to use his players. I think they realize how effective Brown was running and receiving.Again, you have to have talent to put up the kinds of numbers Brown was putting up last year, don't minimize his skills.

 

[Banger]

The big difference between Brown last year and prior years wasn't really the rushing it was his receiving stats. Yes his YPC was better but in his few games (7) he ran against 3 of the worst defenses in the league (and beat up on them big time) and a below avg rush defense. Against good defenses (3) he averaged 3.6 ypc (47 yrds/game) and 0 tds, against the bad defenses he ran for 5.76 ypc and 4 tds.

The REAL difference in his stats and the thing that made him so valuable was his MUCH improved receiving stats. In his 7 games he had 39-389-1. In 2007, his receiving stats were 33-276 in 13 games and in '06 they were 32-232-1 in 17 games. So anyone saying that Cam's impact wasn't dramatic wasn't watching. Will the next OC use him in the same receiving capacity as Cam did? That's the big question and that will determine if he'll be a good RB, like he'd been in prior years, or a top RB.

ETA...consider Jamal Lewis last year... he ran for 5.12 ypc in 8 games vs. poor defenses (189-968) and 3.6 in 7 games vs. good defenses (93-336). R. Brown = Jamal rush wise, the difference is the receiving. If the new OC doesn't feature R. Brown and force feed him the ball, Brown ends up being a a good, not great RB. His receiving numbers extrapolated were 89-900. Those are LT type numbers and guess who his OC was, LT's old OC.

Thank you. This is why I posted his receptions/game. It was this combined yardage that turned him from a RB#2 into the #1 overall RB until his injury. Unless they keep using him the same way (which is Cameron's specialty), he will not be an elite back, injury or not. It's amazing to me how much people downplay the impact that certain OC's and HC's have. Cameron may have been fired for being incompetent overall, but I just do not see Ronnie Brown and the Miami O-line, even when perfectly healthy, able to put up the #'s he did last year without Cameron. As clearly pointed out above, it's Ronnie's involvement in the passing game that made him so valuable.

Cam Cameron did not invent the forward pass. Is he a very good coordinator, yes, but he can't make chicken salad out of chicken ----. His play calling did affect the Brown's stats but he is not the only coach that passes the ball to rb's. Seems to me that Bill Parcells has coached a few games before and knows something about how to use his players. I think they realize how effective Brown was running and receiving.Again, you have to have talent to put up the kinds of numbers Brown was putting up last year, don't minimize his skills.

To extrapolate Brown's numbers over a season is a mistake. After 3-4 games L. Jordan was a top 3 RB last year. You have to have talent, a coach who gameplans and calls those plays, a lack of any other decent threats, an easy schedule, etc. He had the same talent in his first 2 years and he got a total of 64 catch's and last year he was on pace for 89. People thinking Brown is suddenly a top 5 back based off last year are making a big mistake IMO.

 

[geoff8695]

The good news is that Brown's upside resembles a career path similar to that of Jamal Lewis...

The bad news is that the downside is a career that is path similar to that of Kevin Jones...

Here's the most similar first 3yrs in the league comparisons I could find over the last 30 yrs. using the data dominator:

NAME POS YRs G RSH RSHYD YD/RSH RSHTD REC RECYD YD/REC RECTD FANT PT

1 Anthony Thomas rb 2001--2003 39 736 2928 3.98 19 55 377 6.85 0 444.50

2 Kevin Jones rb 2004--2006 40 608 2486 4.09 16 109 809 7.42 3 443.50

3 Tony Collins rb 1981--1983 41 587 2554 4.35 18 72 676 9.39 2 443.00

4 Julius Jones rb 2004--2006 37 721 2896 4.02 16 61 469 7.69 0 432.50

5 Ronnie Brown rb 2005--2007 35 567 2517 4.44 13 104 897 8.62 2 431.40

6 Jamal Lewis rb 2000--2002 32 617 2691 4.36 12 74 738 9.97 1 420.90

The bolded RBs are between 5'11" and 6'2" in height and 228 to 240 lbs. in weight, and in my opinion Kevin Jones and Ronnie Brown share the most similar overall skillsets and body types amongst those listed (both are 6'0" tall and 228 to 232lbs.).

I realize that invoking comparisons to Kevin Jones isn't going to win friends and influence people who are Ronnie Brown owners, however they both look like the exact same RB to me.

Something tells me if you used a larger sampling of running backs that fell into those two height/weight ranges the outcome could look much different. I find it hard to believe there were only 5 rb's that played football in the last 30 years who fit those two criteria. You can't cherry pick three years from a player's career and transpose that info onto another player and deduce much from it. Brown could blow up or fall on his face but it will have more to do with the team around him and his health than anything else. Kevin Jones has a great skill set but he can't stay healthy. Jamal Lewis lost time to jail and fell out of playing shape. If, and it is a big if, Brown gets healthy he will be a good running back once again.

The criteria that I used wasn't at all related to height & weight. Sorry if I made it sound that way. Instead it was tied to similar number of games played, rushing & receiving yards, number of TDs, and overall fantasy points scored during the first 3 years in the NFL. Of the RBs who had the most similar numbers, I found that several of them also happened to be large 'power back' types, and of that group, Kevin Jones appears to be the most similar to Ronnie Brown IMO. They both have the same body type/build/BMI, the same impressive skill set for a large RB, nearly identical statistics, and both played for lousy teams whose coaches and offensive philosophy utilized their receiving skills. Sadly, both have also had an eerily similar propensity for injury through the first three NFL seasons.

That doesn't mean that Ronnie Brown is doomed to mirror Kevin Jones for his entire NFL career or suffer a serious injury in his upcoming fourth NFL season, just because KJ did. However, it would certainly give me pause if I were a Ronnie Brown owner, and I would start thinking about just how realistic it is to expect Brown to ever reach his full potential. Im my mind I just can't justify expectations that Ronnie Brown is suddenly going to play an entire injury free season, maximize his considerable skills, and live up to his potential to perform as a RB1 for an entire season. He has had ample opportunity to do so (as has KJ), and it just hasn't happened. Since the perception of Ronnie Brown is still being shaped by his early season success of 2007, then I would honestly be seeking to trade him while he still has some trade value.

Also, if you really want to gamble on a Ronnie Brown type talent, then why not pay a whole lot less for Kevin Jones and get virtually the same RB for a fraction of the price...

 

[geoff8695]

To extrapolate Brown's numbers over a season is a mistake. After 3-4 games L. Jordan was a top 3 RB last year. You have to have talent, a coach who gameplans and calls those plays, a lack of any other decent threats, an easy schedule, etc. He had the same talent in his first 2 years and he got a total of 64 catch's and last year he was on pace for 89. People thinking Brown is suddenly a top 5 back based off last year are making a big mistake IMO.