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You can infer it, but there are many other valid reasons the organization would say this.
You don't seem to be inferring anything here.
You can speculate, but that is something different.
Given the reasons for his lack of play time, do you honestly think this will affect his ability to play running back in '08? It was a suspension and freak shoulder injury, I don't see this as a valid argument to discount him.
No, this discussion was being had before the sprained finger.
I think you are putting too much emphasis on this fact.
Let me know how many RB's have come back from a three year absence where only 8 games were due to a non-leg related injury and I will look at the list and tell you which ones were successful.In addition, he does not need to maintain the starting spot to have value, it seems apparent that at worst he will split the load with Ronnie. I personally believe RW has more upside this year as the phins will likely protect Brown a bit and Brown is still less than a year from having his ACL rebuilt. I admit I could be wrong, but if you think Ricky is going to be riding the pine because he hasn't played the last three years I think you just haven't been paying attention.
As far as I know it is the first time under these specific circumstances that anyone has tried. Given how good he was and how relatively simple the position is I don't see any valid reason to assume he can't perform well. Better than Ronnie Brown is debatable but if Ronnie were on the PUP list Williams would be a second round pick in every draft. You really have to look deeper than "He hasn't played in three years" to understand the situation in my opinion.Edit to add: He was in game shape last year until injury and was playing in Canada, sure it isn't the same but it isn't like he has been at home watching Judge Judy for three years.
Somebody stepped on him.Have you not watched him at all in TC or preseason?
And this is exactly where the "you just aren't paying enough attention" argument applies. A 250 pound lineman jumped on his back landing on his shoulder blade. How "in shape" he was had absolutely zero to do with that injury. Do you claim he wouldn't have been injured had he been in better shape?
It is my understanding that there is very little emphasis on the rushing attack in the CFL in general. I admit it is noteworthy though.
I think they will both be useful as a RB3, and obviously I think Ricky will be a little better, but only because I think they will go easy on Brown the first few weeks and due to the comments those within the organization have made about RW.That being said Brown for half of what Ricky cost is a steal. I would be happy with either as my RB3, and I had to choose which one to keep and which to cut last Friday. It was a tough choice.I just love preseason hype. I just got Ronnie for $9 in my Keeper Auction league ($200 cap) and Ricky went for $19I was just shocked by how many people were way down on R. Brown, some people even made fun of me because he wasn't the "starter" any more.
Just out of curiosity what other RB's went for similar amounts?
Dolphin fan here:5-11 fever! Can't wait to catch it!
Dolphin fan here:5-11 fever! Can't wait to catch it!
After last season's debacle, I couldn't agree more!I think Parcells/Sparano have put the team together nicely after the mess that has been growing steadily sincethe end of the Wannstadt years. They will surprise, bag a couple high profile upsets, and generally be competitive.I'll be happy with 5, but I'm gonna say 6.Back on topic, to defend my namesake against all the skeptics who worry about his age and recent (lack of) history:truth is, Ricky's just a different kettle of fish. He keeps himself in much better shape than the average mid-20's RB. Couple that with: --a rejuvenated OL --Ronnie coming off a major injury--how he's looked, even to his coaches (new regimes are normally more skeptical of inherited players)--his relatively fresh legs for his age AND --his still evident talent (it didn't just disappear)and you have, at the end of the day, a damn fine RB3!how about 900 yds (+200 rec.) 5-8 TDs?
I feel like both the bolded points are incorrect. Even at 28 Ricky was reaching the point where he had been run into the ground not just through the NFL but through college and high school as well. You don't just run with his style and get away with it until your 32... you just don't. On the way he keeps himself in shape but I recall him being down to about 185 during his comeback trail now I know he is more than that now but it is not easy on a 31 y/o running backs body to be fluctuating that kind of weight no matter who it is.Dolphin fan here:5-11 fever! Can't wait to catch it!
I think Parcells/Sparano have put the team together nicely after the mess that has been growing steadily since
the end of the Wannstadt years. They will surprise, bag a couple high profile upsets, and generally be competitive.
I'll be happy with 5, but I'm gonna say 6.
Back on topic, to defend my namesake against all the skeptics who worry about his age and recent (lack of) history:
truth is, Ricky's just a different kettle of fish. He keeps himself in much better shape than the average mid-20's RB. Couple that with:
--a rejuvenated OL
--Ronnie coming off a major injury
--how he's looked, even to his coaches (new regimes are normally more skeptical of inherited players)
--his relatively fresh legs for his age
AND
--his still evident talent (it didn't just disappear)
and you have, at the end of the day, a damn fine RB3!
how about 900 yds (+200 rec.) 5-8 TDs?
I'm not positive, but I don't think a player can actually choose when his body is going to break down physically.
Ronnie Brown owner prayers are not being answered.
Ronnie Brown owner prayers are not being answered.
Brown has looked quite good tonight. No idea if he's going to get the nod or be eased back into the season (I'd say eased back in, seems the most logical choice), but Brown is showing a lot right now, not sure why you would post this at this time.
$9 Fargis $10 Ahman Green & Deuce $11 Deangelo Williams$12 Fred Taylor
They only play 3 downs and bigger field. Much more passing based game.
I expect 60-40 in favor of ronnie. Eventually becoming more of 75-25 as the season progresses.
while I don't love this, with how RW has played this preaseason I'll wait and see how this plays out.
huh?Oh and
Reasonb why is that it really a completely different game. It's like comparison of lacrosse and polo stats.
You're right, sometimes it does go too far. But, I do love this place BECAUSE there are differing opinions. (i.e. the EBF vs. the non BMI believers) Not sure why you think this thread is objectionable though. It's just full of the guys on one side of the RW/RB fence or the other (myself included) - trying to justify in their minds that they made the right choice on draft/keeper day. And they're all entitled to their opinions - as long as they keep the tool factor down.Some may lack the appropriate persuasion/debate/argument skills to get their point across, and resort to flaming. For the most part, the guys (and girls
) here are reasonable - even when they are presenting differing opinions. THAT's what brings me back. Maybe after a while, you get to know the cast of characters a little better and it doesn't seem so bad.The only thing that really bothers me is when guys discount other's comments/views by bashing leagues/formats/etc. w/ comments like 'your league must be full of grade schoolers if X happened'. Hang in there, and learn to use the IGNORE function - it will greatly improve your user experience. Oh, and RW @ RB4 for me. Cost was a 7th in a 14 team league vs. RB who went in the 3rd or 4th.
Watched the entire game...he looked good. I was encouraged tonight. He let it loose. Ricky has also looked very good too this pre-season. Let's not dismiss that either.I think Ricky has earned the start for week one. If he stays hot it will be 50/50. If Ronnie has set backs then it goes up. If Ricky falters Ronnie gets more carries.Either way it is a good problem for my Dolphins. Fantasy wise it could be a nightmare....but the Dolphins will run a lot so both will get at least 10 carrries unless one really outplays the other.That is what it looks like now since we finally saw Ronnie in extended action. Let's see how Ronnie's knee reacts to his first real extended action tomorrow.
He was definitely explosive. He created his own holes, his line was getting handled in the trenches. He cut well and it didn't appear that he was favoring his knee at all. He showed some power too, as well.
Todem said:
This about sums it up
Tough to say right now, both are good near the goaline - they might alternate series to start the season.I watched the game and I didn't see the Miami Oline get pushed around and dominated. Henne had plenty of time to throw. It was the Saints who only had 99 yards of total offense. Understand they were missing a bunch of their offensive stars but the Miami DLine played well
I think who ever series it is will get the chance to finish it off out of the gate. That's about all I can tell from a locals perspective.
You're just asking for something that there's obviously going to be a small sample size for. Even if there were 1 or 2 guys that fit the criteria, it wouldn't matter if either one did or didn't do it as the sample size is simply too small.However, I will submit the name John Riggins. He didn't have 3 yrs in between, but he did have 2 yrs in between. When he returned in 1981 after sitting out all of 1980, he scored 13 TDs at the age of 32. Then in 1983, at the age of 34, he had 375 carries for 1347 yds and 24 TDs. Oh, and he followed that up the following year with 327 carries for 1239 yds and 14 TDs at the age of 35.So, are the situations identical? No, but they are awfully close. I'm sure you'll find a way to dismiss the comparison and that's fine. It's a good thing some people in this world don't avoid a situation simply because it's never happened before. "There's a first time for just about everything". If there is a guy talented enough who is already showing he still has his "stuff", it's Ricky.
There is such heated debate about a scenario that has been practically set in stone since April. Ricky and Ronnie will both lead the Dolphins offense and share touches, spllitting between 30-35 a game. Nobody, and I mean nobody, knows how many each will get by week 8 because there are WAY too many variables, primarily the health of each. And the only reason this heated debate situation has come up (only among fantasy freaks) is Brown's questionable knee, which was actually sparked by a minor thumb ding. Ricky will do well when he gets the ball. Ronnie has to prove he is the player he was last year and started to do so in May, which is what i suppose is making this a "question" situation in the first place. I dont see what all the fuss is about. 15 touches each until one gets hurt. If the Dolphins turn into a running tank with their improved OL, everyone will be happy, as they are in JAx.
