Rookie 1.04- PPR- Post-Combine (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

1.01 Trent Richardson

1.02 Andrew Luck

1.03 Justin Blackmon

 

[J-Dawg]

I think Floyd is a steal at this point. RG3 has massive upside but I think Floyd is a safer bet to reach his potential and has now moved up to 1a with Blackmon for the top WR. In PPR, Floyd should definitely be a top 4 selection after the great combine he had.

 

[Shutout]

It was hard for me not to click the Floyd button but in terms of careers and value in FF, I think you have to go with RG III.

 

[ExaltedOne]

I am liking this draft more and more every day. Glad I have 3 picks in round 1.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

Call it 'The Cam Newton Effect.' If there was an elite TE in this year's draft I think we'd see the same thing due to the 'Gronk-Graham Effect.'

 

[Guinis72]

Voted Other = David Wilson

 

[Spike]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

My assumption is because people are looking at these players from a career perspective, not a 1-3 year timeframe.

 

[Shane Falco]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

pretty much makes this pointless

 

[Bronx Bomber]

I went with Martin here. I had him as my #2 RB before the combine and his workout cemented that for me. Unless he goes in a bad situation and Miller or Wilson goes to a great situation than I might consider one of them or RGIII.

 

[jurb26]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

It's pretty simple. There are only 3 elite prospects in this class; Luck, RG3 and Richardson. In dynasty, overal talent level is a huge factor because it raises the level of confidence in real life NFL success. People are voting for 2 QBs in the top 4 because at the end of the day the have a much higher level of confidence that both those QBs will not bust and will have lengthy and sustainable NFL careers. Those are things that typically lead to fantasy success.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

It's pretty simple. There are only 3 elite prospects in this class; Luck, RG3 and Richardson. In dynasty, overal talent level is a huge factor because it raises the level of confidence in real life NFL success. People are voting for 2 QBs in the top 4 because at the end of the day the have a much higher level of confidence that both those QBs will not bust and will have lengthy and sustainable NFL careers. Those are things that typically lead to fantasy success.

I see that side, however Luck/RGIII has to become an elite QB just to become startable in most FF formats(top 12). Michael Floyd would have to be top 36/48 WR in the NFL to be startable. Same with the RB's, etc. I just don't think that 2 QB's will go that high in many rookie formats.

 

[Shutout]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

It's pretty simple. There are only 3 elite prospects in this class; Luck, RG3 and Richardson. In dynasty, overal talent level is a huge factor because it raises the level of confidence in real life NFL success. People are voting for 2 QBs in the top 4 because at the end of the day the have a much higher level of confidence that both those QBs will not bust and will have lengthy and sustainable NFL careers. Those are things that typically lead to fantasy success.

Yep. Its all about value and especially in today's NFL, the old guard of drafting RBs until your eyes bleed is phasing out some. At the end of the day, a player who isn't producing is worthless and one who is commands good value.So its hard to pass on RG III and nobody is passing on Luck. It probably also doesn't hurt one bit that the recent history, as it has translated to FF, has been that QB value has been seriously boosted by Cam Newton. Although its rare and not the norm, it did happen and people tend to live in a "what have you done for me lately?" world (I believe its called the "recency effect" in business models). Add to that recent RBs that have come with such HIGH expectations have NOT panned out as advertised, it makes it easier to see what people are thinking. People are looking and saying "RG III could be the new Cam". And then they look at guys like Matthews and Ingram who were practically voted into the HOF on Boards like these before they ever played and people are disappointed.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

It's pretty simple. There are only 3 elite prospects in this class; Luck, RG3 and Richardson. In dynasty, overal talent level is a huge factor because it raises the level of confidence in real life NFL success. People are voting for 2 QBs in the top 4 because at the end of the day the have a much higher level of confidence that both those QBs will not bust and will have lengthy and sustainable NFL careers. Those are things that typically lead to fantasy success.

In my twelve leagues none of Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford or Matt Ryan went before pick #6, and the average spot for the first QB taken is about #12.So having two QBs in the top four picks is a new thing. I think that's down to the huge numbers in 2012 and specifically Cam Newton's huge numbers.

 

[coolnerd]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

It's pretty simple. There are only 3 elite prospects in this class; Luck, RG3 and Richardson. In dynasty, overal talent level is a huge factor because it raises the level of confidence in real life NFL success. People are voting for 2 QBs in the top 4 because at the end of the day the have a much higher level of confidence that both those QBs will not bust and will have lengthy and sustainable NFL careers. Those are things that typically lead to fantasy success.

Yep. Its all about value and especially in today's NFL, the old guard of drafting RBs until your eyes bleed is phasing out some. At the end of the day, a player who isn't producing is worthless and one who is commands good value.So its hard to pass on RG III and nobody is passing on Luck. It probably also doesn't hurt one bit that the recent history, as it has translated to FF, has been that QB value has been seriously boosted by Cam Newton. Although its rare and not the norm, it did happen and people tend to live in a "what have you done for me lately?" world (I believe its called the "recency effect" in business models). Add to that recent RBs that have come with such HIGH expectations have NOT panned out as advertised, it makes it easier to see what people are thinking. People are looking and saying "RG III could be the new Cam". And then they look at guys like Matthews and Ingram who were practically voted into the HOF on Boards like these before they ever played and people are disappointed.

I like a lot of this post. Everything is setting up for this to be the year where somthing different could occur than in the past. RBs are not coming into the league and automatically tearing it up, the top Wrs ae a half tier below the guys last year, and you have the two best QB prospects in awhile following a couple of fantasy season where having a difference making QB has been gold. Now, once the actual draft happens and a couple of RBs go to perfect spots maybe even in the late 1st, and if floyd goes higher than expected we may see things fall into place differently. Love the fact that blindly drafting RB high with the one or two best WRs mixed in at least for one year is changing.

 

[jurb26]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

It's pretty simple. There are only 3 elite prospects in this class; Luck, RG3 and Richardson. In dynasty, overal talent level is a huge factor because it raises the level of confidence in real life NFL success. People are voting for 2 QBs in the top 4 because at the end of the day the have a much higher level of confidence that both those QBs will not bust and will have lengthy and sustainable NFL careers. Those are things that typically lead to fantasy success.

In my twelve leagues none of Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford or Matt Ryan went before pick #6, and the average spot for the first QB taken is about #12.So having two QBs in the top four picks is a new thing. I think that's down to the huge numbers in 2012 and specifically Cam Newton's huge numbers.

None of the 4 guys you just listed were universially considered the elite talents that Luck and RG3 are. Most laughed that Car picked Newton 1.01 and NOBODY saw his performance coming. Actually, a lot questioned is ability to ever even become a decent NFL QB. Of the 4, Bradford was probably the most highly regarded. He isn't even in the same ball park as far as perception of the fantasy community when compared to Luck and RG3. IMO, Stafford is/was the same caliber prospect as both Luck and RG3 but I was in the minority on that and argued at great length on this boad about it. I actually had to agrue that Stafford was better than Bradford as most felt it was the other way around. Ryan wasn't even the 1.01 pick in the NFL draft and was easily the lowest caliber fantasy talent of the 6 QBs. It's not really an apples to apples comparision you are making. Regardless of that, the NFL landscape has changed the past 3 years. QBs are far more valuable now than they were even just 2 years ago. It's a combination of there being a changing envirornment in fantasy and an abnormal separation in talent between the elite QBs in this class vs. the rest of the field.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

It's pretty simple. There are only 3 elite prospects in this class; Luck, RG3 and Richardson. In dynasty, overal talent level is a huge factor because it raises the level of confidence in real life NFL success. People are voting for 2 QBs in the top 4 because at the end of the day the have a much higher level of confidence that both those QBs will not bust and will have lengthy and sustainable NFL careers. Those are things that typically lead to fantasy success.

In my twelve leagues none of Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford or Matt Ryan went before pick #6, and the average spot for the first QB taken is about #12.So having two QBs in the top four picks is a new thing. I think that's down to the huge numbers in 2012 and specifically Cam Newton's huge numbers.

None of the 4 guys you just listed were universially considered the elite talents that Luck and RG3 are. Most laughed that Car picked Newton 1.01 and NOBODY saw his performance coming. Actually, a lot questioned is ability to ever even become a decent NFL QB. Of the 4, Bradford was probably the most highly regarded. He isn't even in the same ball park as far as perception of the fantasy community when compared to Luck and RG3. IMO, Stafford is/was the same caliber prospect as both Luck and RG3 but I was in the minority on that and argued at great length on this boad about it. I actually had to agrue that Stafford was better than Bradford as most felt it was the other way around. Ryan wasn't even the 1.01 pick in the NFL draft and was easily the lowest caliber fantasy talent of the 6 QBs. It's not really an apples to apples comparision you are making. Regardless of that, the NFL landscape has changed the past 3 years. QBs are far more valuable now than they were even just 2 years ago. It's a combination of there being a changing envirornment in fantasy and an abnormal separation in talent between the elite QBs in this class vs. the rest of the field.

Those are all good points...however you completely ignored what is going to make your FF team better?Pairing RGIII with Josh Freeman and Jay Cutler?Picking Michael Floyd to compete with Michael Crabtree and Santonio Holmes for your WR3 and flex.It's the second one.RGIII and Luck have to become 2 of the top 8 scoring FF QB's very soon to have value. QB's 9-20 are a dime a dozen.1/3 of starting NFL QB's start in FFCompared toat least 2/3 of RB'sover half of WR's

 

[jurb26]

Those are all good points...however you completely ignored what is going to make your FF team better?Pairing RGIII with Josh Freeman and Jay Cutler?Picking Michael Floyd to compete with Michael Crabtree and Santonio Holmes for your WR3 and flex.It's the second one.RGIII and Luck have to become 2 of the top 8 scoring FF QB's very soon to have value. QB's 9-20 are a dime a dozen.1/3 of starting NFL QB's start in FFCompared toat least 2/3 of RB'sover half of WR's

You are ignoring the original point.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Those are all good points...however you completely ignored what is going to make your FF team better?Pairing RGIII with Josh Freeman and Jay Cutler?Picking Michael Floyd to compete with Michael Crabtree and Santonio Holmes for your WR3 and flex.It's the second one.RGIII and Luck have to become 2 of the top 8 scoring FF QB's very soon to have value. QB's 9-20 are a dime a dozen.1/3 of starting NFL QB's start in FFCompared toat least 2/3 of RB'sover half of WR's

You are ignoring the original point.

of?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Bradford was pretty highly rated - I'm not sure RGIII would be a slam dunk over him without the 2011 season fresh in everyone's mind. But maybe he would - no way to tell.

Nevertheless, Bradford was considered a superb prospect and went 6,9,10,11,12,13,16 in my rookie drafts that year. It'll be interesting to see if QBs continue to be taken earlier in the next few years.

Agree with the earlier post that it makes the game more fun when QBs and TEs are in the first round rookie mix.

 

[Shane Falco]

seriously if I'm picking 4-8 in my dynasty leagues I'm praying that some one takes RGIII and Luck before it gets to me. I can always use another RB or WR way before a QB.

Lot of crazy talk in this thread. Its FF not real football. HTH guys

 

[mlball77]

seriously if I'm picking 4-8 in my dynasty leagues I'm praying that some one takes RGIII and Luck before it gets to me. I can always use another RB or WR way before a QB.Lot of crazy talk in this thread. Its FF not real football. HTH guys

Yeah, I tend to see things like this as well. Typically, I never consider QBs in the top 10 picks. This year; however, with pick #5, I would at least look hard at Luck/RGIII if either were available (maybe I’m getting caught up in the hype?). If both went in the top 4, I’d be totally fine with that as well and would end up with Floyd or my #2 ranked rookie RB.

 

[duaneok66]

interesting discussion -

i just think that Luck and RGIII (with Richardson) are guys that will be fantasy factors for 10-12 years - you are guessing about the other skill positions (RB - WR) like people misfired on Matthews, Ingram, etc.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

You guys are killing me. I own the 1.05 in two leagues. Keep talking up Luck and RGIII damn it! I needs dem RBs/WRs to fall.

 

[smashingsilver]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

It's pretty simple. There are only 3 elite prospects in this class; Luck, RG3 and Richardson. In dynasty, overal talent level is a huge factor because it raises the level of confidence in real life NFL success. People are voting for 2 QBs in the top 4 because at the end of the day the have a much higher level of confidence that both those QBs will not bust and will have lengthy and sustainable NFL careers. Those are things that typically lead to fantasy success.

In my twelve leagues none of Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford or Matt Ryan went before pick #6, and the average spot for the first QB taken is about #12.So having two QBs in the top four picks is a new thing. I think that's down to the huge numbers in 2012 and specifically Cam Newton's huge numbers.

None of the 4 guys you just listed were universially considered the elite talents that Luck and RG3 are. Most laughed that Car picked Newton 1.01 and NOBODY saw his performance coming. Actually, a lot questioned is ability to ever even become a decent NFL QB. Of the 4, Bradford was probably the most highly regarded. He isn't even in the same ball park as far as perception of the fantasy community when compared to Luck and RG3. IMO, Stafford is/was the same caliber prospect as both Luck and RG3 but I was in the minority on that and argued at great length on this boad about it. I actually had to agrue that Stafford was better than Bradford as most felt it was the other way around. Ryan wasn't even the 1.01 pick in the NFL draft and was easily the lowest caliber fantasy talent of the 6 QBs. It's not really an apples to apples comparision you are making. Regardless of that, the NFL landscape has changed the past 3 years. QBs are far more valuable now than they were even just 2 years ago. It's a combination of there being a changing envirornment in fantasy and an abnormal separation in talent between the elite QBs in this class vs. the rest of the field.

Those are all good points...however you completely ignored what is going to make your FF team better?Pairing RGIII with Josh Freeman and Jay Cutler?Picking Michael Floyd to compete with Michael Crabtree and Santonio Holmes for your WR3 and flex.It's the second one.RGIII and Luck have to become 2 of the top 8 scoring FF QB's very soon to have value. QB's 9-20 are a dime a dozen.1/3 of starting NFL QB's start in FFCompared toat least 2/3 of RB'sover half of WR's

If I have a high 1st round pick, I'm not looking for a WR3. I want a future star. As it stands now, the odds of RG3 or Luck becoming elite seem much higher than Floyd or Miller. Not saying it won't happen for those other guys, but as has been mentioned all over these boards, they're not special talents. Luck and RG3 are special talents, and at the end of the day, that's what I want on my team.

 

[The Comedian]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

It's pretty simple. There are only 3 elite prospects in this class; Luck, RG3 and Richardson. In dynasty, overal talent level is a huge factor because it raises the level of confidence in real life NFL success. People are voting for 2 QBs in the top 4 because at the end of the day the have a much higher level of confidence that both those QBs will not bust and will have lengthy and sustainable NFL careers. Those are things that typically lead to fantasy success.

I see that side, however Luck/RGIII has to become an elite QB just to become startable in most FF formats(top 12). Michael Floyd would have to be top 36/48 WR in the NFL to be startable. Same with the RB's, etc. I just don't think that 2 QB's will go that high in many rookie formats.

I play in 16 team leagues and would be very surprised if both QB's were not gone by #4 in any of them. League format is part of the voting here.

 

[Patoons]

I don't get 2 QB's in the top 4 picks. This is FF people, not the NFL draft.

pretty much makes this pointless

It's taking over across the board. Was recently in a startup with 6 of the top 12 being QBs. To be honest, it's fine by me. Leaves more value later on.

 

[loose circuits]

we really should continue this conversation in the 1.05 thread so we don't keep bumping the old poll...