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Rookie 1st rnd WR draft production 2004 to 2013 (1 Viewer)

Bracie Smathers

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A story on NY Giants rookie WR Odell Beckam shared information of rookie WR production and they cranked out the 'average' production of the last 38 first round WRs drafted from 2004 to last year.

Too valuable to post in only the Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans or even Odell Beckam threads.

Should help any doing projections for rookie WRs. :yes:

Chopped off the lead-in so go to the link for the full read.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/06/odell_beckham_jr_realistic_statistical_expectation_for_giants_first-round_pick.html

Odell Beckham Jr.: Realistic statistical expectation for Giants' first-round pick

... Here's the breakdown of the 38 first-round wideouts in their maiden NFL seasons from 2004-13:

THE AVERAGE: 41 catches, 565 yards, 4 TDs

THE CEILING

Receptions:
Michael Clayton (2004, Bucs) -- 80
Dwayne Bowe (2007, Chiefs) -- 70
A.J. Green (2011, Bengals) -- 65
Justin Blackman (2012, Jags) -- 64
Kendall Wright (2012, Titans) -- 64

Yards:
Clayton (2004, Bucs) -- 1,193
Green (2011, Bengals) -- 1,057
Bowe (2007, Chiefs) -- 99
Julio Jones (2011, Falcons) -- 959
Lee Evans (2004, Bills) -- 843

TD Catches:
Evans (2004, Bills) -- 9
Larry Fitzgerald (2004, Cards) -- 8
Roy Williams (2004, Lions) -- 8
Jones (2011, Falcons) -- 8
Green (2011, Bengals) -- 7
Clayton (2004, Bucs) -- 7

THE FLOOR

Receptions:
A.J. Jenkins (2011, 49ers) -- 0
Robert Meachem (2007, Saints) -- 0
Rashaun Woods (2004, 49ers) -- 7
Michael Jenkins (2004, Falcons) -- 7
Darrius Heyward-Bay (2009, Raiders) -- 9

Yards:
A.J. Jenkins (2011, 49ers) -- 0
Meachem (2007, Saints) -- 0
Michael Jenkins (2004, Falcons) -- 119
Heyward-Bay (2009, Raiders) -- 124
Woods (2004, 49ers) -- 160

TD Catches:
A.J. Jenkins (2011, 49ers) -- 0
Meachem (2007, Saints) -- 0
Heyward-Bay (2009, Raiders) -- 1
Buster Davis (2007, Chargers) -- 1
Mike Williams (2005, Lions) -- 1
Reggie Williams (2004, Jags) -- 1
Woods (2004, 49ers) -- 1

The positive is that some of the best rookie performances have come in the past three years. The passing game continues to evolve, to the point where rookie receivers may have an even better chance of immediately providing significant contributions than they did, say, eight years ago.

The negative is that there have been more than a few first-round wide receiver flops. Of course, it happens at every position, but there seems to be an awful lot of uncertainty when it comes to projecting wideouts.

Still, the hope is that Beckham can beat out Jernigan and be an instant playmaker for a Giants offense that desperately needs him to be a major threat. The hope is that he can be the perfect compliment to Victor Cruz and Rueben Randle, who appears more likely for that 1,000-yard season than Beckham.

Of the 211 1,000-yard receivers over the past decade, only two have been rookie first-rounders. The odds are against Beckham to make that type of immediate contribution.

But 50-something catches for 800-plus yards and four or five touchdowns? The Giants would likely sign for that right now from their rookie wide receiver.
 
AJ Jenkins is the most baffling 1st round pick I've ever seen.
I know huh? One ok season, one productive season. Pretty decent combine 40, but not elite for a 6'0" guy. 4th WR taken (Blackmon, Floyd, Wright, Jenkins)

Unfair to pull this out now but Mayock was a fan:

Mayock's take: "Had a big senior season. Had him rated as my eighth wide receiver and a second-round pick. He's a vertical threat who gets in and out of his breaks smoothly. This is a good football player."

 
AJ Jenkins is the most baffling 1st round pick I've ever seen.
I know huh? One ok season, one productive season. Pretty decent combine 40, but not elite for a 6'0" guy. 4th WR taken (Blackmon, Floyd, Wright, Jenkins)

Unfair to pull this out now but Mayock was a fan:

Mayock's take: "Had a big senior season. Had him rated as my eighth wide receiver and a second-round pick. He's a vertical threat who gets in and out of his breaks smoothly. This is a good football player."
To be fair his senior season was unreal if you're looking purely at dominator ranking (market share).

 
Looking at the ceiling guys, they all have a couple things in common. All were immediately the most talented WR on their team from the time they were drafted. Also, all had a young/inexperienced QB who locked in on them all season.

If this has any bearing on the outcome of this year's guys, I would say Watkins has the best chance of achieving these type of numbers. Evans may benefit from having a stud WR like Vjax on the other side of him, but I don't think McCown will lock on to him. Eli won't be locking on to Beckham with Cruz and Randle there. Brees won't lock onto Cooks with Graham, Colston and Stills, although if he gets Sproles duty he may end up with 70+ catches. The only other guy I can see possibly being locked onto is Kelvin Benjamin, but that really depends on how fast he can pick up the offense. His lack of total football experience makes me a bit leery that he can produce right away.

 
Looking at the ceiling guys, they all have a couple things in common. All were immediately the most talented WR on their team from the time they were drafted. Also, all had a young/inexperienced QB who locked in on them all season.

If this has any bearing on the outcome of this year's guys, I would say Watkins has the best chance of achieving these type of numbers. Evans may benefit from having a stud WR like Vjax on the other side of him, but I don't think McCown will lock on to him. Eli won't be locking on to Beckham with Cruz and Randle there. Brees won't lock onto Cooks with Graham, Colston and Stills, although if he gets Sproles duty he may end up with 70+ catches. The only other guy I can see possibly being locked onto is Kelvin Benjamin, but that really depends on how fast he can pick up the offense. His lack of total football experience makes me a bit leery that he can produce right away.
:goodposting:

So long as they have the natural talent to succeed, I think that is a pretty good observation jmo87usc.

 
THE AVERAGE: 41 catches, 565 yards, 4 TDs
I'm not a fan of this number being thrown around so much... look at the last 5 seasons. If a guy is highlighted in red it means he didn't play more than 12 games (not start, just suit up) as a rookie. Because this whole 'rookie average' thing that keeps being mentioned around the fantasy community is complete BS in my eyes. If a rookie wideout in the last 5 seasons actually suited up for over 3/4 of the games (which we know Beckham, Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Benjamin will 100% be doing short of injury), here's how they performed.

2009

Darrius Heyward-Bey - 9/124/1

Michael Crabtree - 48/625/2

Jeremy Maclin - 56/773/4

Percy Harvin - 60/790/6

Hakeem Nicks - 47/790/6

Kenny Britt - 42/701/3

2010

Demaryius Thomas - 22/283/2

Dez Bryant - 45/561/6

2011

AJ Green - 65/1057/7

Julio Jones - 54/959/8

Jonathan Baldwin - 21/254/1

2012

Justin Blackmon - 64/865/5

Michael Floyd - 45/562/2

Kendall Wright - 64/626/4

AJ Jenkins - 0/0/0

2013

Tavon Austin - 40/418/4

DeAndre Hopkins - 52/802/2

Cordarrelle Patterson - 45/469/4

THE AVERAGE: 52 Receptions, 721 yards, 4.7 TDs

That is a much more reasonable stat line when we're trying to predict one of these guys who we know will see immediate field time from day one.

 
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THE AVERAGE: 41 catches, 565 yards, 4 TDs
I'm not a fan of this number being thrown around so much... look at the last 5 seasons. If a guy is highlighted in red it means he didn't play more than 12 games (not start, just suit up) as a rookie. Because this whole 'rookie average' thing that keeps being mentioned around the fantasy community is complete BS in my eyes. If a rookie wideout in the last 5 seasons actually suited up for over 3/4 of the games (which we know Beckham, Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Benjamin will 100% be doing short of injury), here's how they performed.

...THE AVERAGE: 52 Receptions, 721 yards, 4.7 TDs

That is a much more reasonable stat line when we're trying to predict one of these guys who we know will see immediate field time from day one.
Unfortunately the problem we really do not know for certain which players will or won't suit up for 3/4 of the games.

I do like using the most recent stats but also having the longer view with more data points is also a big help.

 
THE AVERAGE: 41 catches, 565 yards, 4 TDs
I'm not a fan of this number being thrown around so much... look at the last 5 seasons. If a guy is highlighted in red it means he didn't play more than 12 games (not start, just suit up) as a rookie. Because this whole 'rookie average' thing that keeps being mentioned around the fantasy community is complete BS in my eyes. If a rookie wideout in the last 5 seasons actually suited up for over 3/4 of the games (which we know Beckham, Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Benjamin will 100% be doing short of injury), here's how they performed.

...THE AVERAGE: 52 Receptions, 721 yards, 4.7 TDs

That is a much more reasonable stat line when we're trying to predict one of these guys who we know will see immediate field time from day one.
Unfortunately the problem we really do not know for certain which players will or won't suit up for 3/4 of the games.

I do like using the most recent stats but also having the longer view with more data points is also a big help.
See, I think we have a pretty good idea that Watkins and Evans will be starting most of the games if healthy, they were drafted to high to sit on the sidelines. Buffalo didn't give up a 2015 1st to move up and get Watkins to leave him on the bench in gym shorts. Same goes for OBJ, I can't see a scenario where he isn't suiting up every game and out on the field for a bulk of plays. Cooks is probably the biggest question mark of the above group but I think he too will see a good amount of playing time this season.

As for the 2nd thing, I actually don't think a longer view is relevant in the slightest form to this situation. Maybe including 2007 and 2008 could warrant some discussion but prior to that this was a whole different league. Even then, you had one or two offenses that were high flying. These days that's everyone more or less. The opportunity for rookie production is so much higher in the past 5 seasons that every before which is why I chose that number. It wasn't arbitrary. Here, lets look at it this way.

Here are the NFL passing stats from 2008 (6 years ago) to last season:

2008 - 16,526 Passing Attempts, 108,177 yards, 646 TDs

2009 - 17,033 Passing Attempts, 111,851 yards, 710 TDs

2010 - 17,269 Passing Attempts, 113,450 yards, 751 TDs

2011 - 17,410 Passing Attempts, 117,601 yards, 745 TDs

2012 - 17,788 Passing Attempts, 118,418 yards, 757 TDs

2013 - 18,136 Passing Attempts, 120,626 yards, 804 TDs

Do you see why I feel like the last 5 years is really all that's relevant? The gap between 2013 and 2008 is 1610 attempts, 12449 yards and 158 TDs

That's about the equivalent of 2.5 2013 Peyton Manning's added to the league between 2008 and 2013. We're talking an extra 2192.9 fantasy points to go around to receivers since then. It's such a glaring abnormality it's not only irrelevant it's actually reckless to include anything earlier than 2009. Because even 2008 vs 2009 was absolutely hilarious in it's gap... 507 Attempts, 3674 yards, 64 TDs. Apparently between 2008 and 2009 there was an expansion team that was just on fire or something... (joking of course).

 
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See, I think we have a pretty good idea that Watkins and Evans will be starting most of the games if healthy, they were drafted to high to sit on the sidelines. Buffalo didn't give up a 2015 1st to move up and get Watkins to leave him on the bench in gym shorts. Same goes for OBJ, I can't see a scenario where he isn't suiting up every game and out on the field for a bulk of plays. Cooks is probably the biggest question mark of the above group but I think he too will see a good amount of playing time this season.
As for the 2nd thing, I actually don't think a longer view is relevant in the slightest form to this situation. Maybe including 2007 and 2008 could warrant some discussion but prior to that this was a whole different league. Even then, you had one or two offenses that were high flying. These days that's everyone more or less. The opportunity for rookie production is so much higher in the past 5 seasons that every before which is why I chose that number. It wasn't arbitrary. Here, lets look at it this way.

Here are the NFL passing stats from 2008 (6 years ago) to last season:

2008 - 16,526 Passing Attempts, 108,177 yards, 646 TDs

2009 - 17,033 Passing Attempts, 111,851 yards, 710 TDs

2010 - 17,269 Passing Attempts, 113,450 yards, 751 TDs

2011 - 17,410 Passing Attempts, 117,601 yards, 745 TDs

2012 - 17,788 Passing Attempts, 118,418 yards, 757 TDs

2013 - 18,136 Passing Attempts, 120,626 yards, 804 TDs

Do you see why I feel like the last 5 years is really all that's relevant? The gap between 2013 and 2008 is 1610 attempts, 12449 yards and 158 TDs

That's about the equivalent of 2.5 2013 Peyton Manning's added to the league between 2008 and 2013. We're talking an extra 2192.9 fantasy points to go around to receivers since then. It's such a glaring abnormality it's not only irrelevant it's actually reckless to include anything earlier than 2009. Because even 2008 vs 2009 was absolutely hilarious in it's gap... 507 Attempts, 3674 yards, 64 TDs. Apparently between 2008 and 2009 there was an expansion team that was just on fire or something... (joking of course).
And this is why I love the Shark Pool, good discussion and great information sharing.

One thing that relates to all rookies is something that Todd McShay has mentioned more than once concerning rookies who don't make it. He said that their are basically two main reasons why rookies who were highly tauted had failed in the past, injuries and charactor issues which covers the gamit of off-field hijinx.

So although we'd like to think we know, we can't say for certain that a guy like a Justin BlackMON woudl relapse into his off-field issues or that a guy without charactor concerns like Crabtree wouldn't catch-on (no pun intended) right away.

So as much as I'd like to just agree with you since you share some awesome stats, I have to go back to what McShay has said about the two main reasons why guys did not succeed.

Also I don't like to dismiss or dimish stats, and you share some good ones to back up your point but last year two things stick out to me for the big bump in passing yards.

1. Peyton Manning's record breaking season.

Not sure that gets replicted this year.

2. The team that attempted the most passes in the NFL last season?

The Cleveland Browns under OC Norval Turner.

The Browns basically gave-up on the run after trading away RB Trent Richardson and they had nothing in the cubbard at RB after T-Rich left town.

Its not like they had great QB play having used three different QB but Norv passed, and passed, and passed, till the cows came home.

Not sure the Browns will do that since they:

- signed FA RB Ben Tate

- moved-up in the draft to take RB Terrance West

- drafted OG Joel Bitonio in the 2nd round instead of taking a WR

- might not have the NFL's leading WR Josh Gordon all year

But excellent contribution. :thumbup:

 
See, I think we have a pretty good idea that Watkins and Evans will be starting most of the games if healthy, they were drafted to high to sit on the sidelines. Buffalo didn't give up a 2015 1st to move up and get Watkins to leave him on the bench in gym shorts. Same goes for OBJ, I can't see a scenario where he isn't suiting up every game and out on the field for a bulk of plays. Cooks is probably the biggest question mark of the above group but I think he too will see a good amount of playing time this season.

As for the 2nd thing, I actually don't think a longer view is relevant in the slightest form to this situation. Maybe including 2007 and 2008 could warrant some discussion but prior to that this was a whole different league. Even then, you had one or two offenses that were high flying. These days that's everyone more or less. The opportunity for rookie production is so much higher in the past 5 seasons that every before which is why I chose that number. It wasn't arbitrary. Here, lets look at it this way.

Here are the NFL passing stats from 2008 (6 years ago) to last season:

2008 - 16,526 Passing Attempts, 108,177 yards, 646 TDs

2009 - 17,033 Passing Attempts, 111,851 yards, 710 TDs

2010 - 17,269 Passing Attempts, 113,450 yards, 751 TDs

2011 - 17,410 Passing Attempts, 117,601 yards, 745 TDs

2012 - 17,788 Passing Attempts, 118,418 yards, 757 TDs

2013 - 18,136 Passing Attempts, 120,626 yards, 804 TDs

Do you see why I feel like the last 5 years is really all that's relevant? The gap between 2013 and 2008 is 1610 attempts, 12449 yards and 158 TDs

That's about the equivalent of 2.5 2013 Peyton Manning's added to the league between 2008 and 2013. We're talking an extra 2192.9 fantasy points to go around to receivers since then. It's such a glaring abnormality it's not only irrelevant it's actually reckless to include anything earlier than 2009. Because even 2008 vs 2009 was absolutely hilarious in it's gap... 507 Attempts, 3674 yards, 64 TDs. Apparently between 2008 and 2009 there was an expansion team that was just on fire or something... (joking of course).
And this is why I love the Shark Pool, good discussion and great information sharing.One thing that relates to all rookies is something that Todd McShay has mentioned more than once concerning rookies who don't make it. He said that their are basically two main reasons why rookies who were highly tauted had failed in the past, injuries and charactor issues which covers the gamit of off-field hijinx.

So although we'd like to think we know, we can't say for certain that a guy like a Justin BlackMON woudl relapse into his off-field issues or that a guy without charactor concerns like Crabtree wouldn't catch-on (no pun intended) right away.

So as much as I'd like to just agree with you since you share some awesome stats, I have to go back to what McShay has said about the two main reasons why guys did not succeed.

Also I don't like to dismiss or dimish stats, and you share some good ones to back up your point but last year two things stick out to me for the big bump in passing yards.

1. Peyton Manning's record breaking season.

Not sure that gets replicted this year.

2. The team that attempted the most passes in the NFL last season?

The Cleveland Browns under OC Norval Turner.

The Browns basically gave-up on the run after trading away RB Trent Richardson and they had nothing in the cubbard at RB after T-Rich left town.

Its not like they had great QB play having used three different QB but Norv passed, and passed, and passed, till the cows came home.

Not sure the Browns will do that since they:

- signed FA RB Ben Tate

- moved-up in the draft to take RB Terrance West

- drafted OG Joel Bitonio in the 2nd round instead of taking a WR

- might not have the NFL's leading WR Josh Gordon all year

But excellent contribution. :thumbup:
2012 - 2013 wasn't a massive bump in yardage only about 2000 yards, the jump, we really saw was in TDs. And I definitely see that trend continuing. Peyton won't toss up 55 again, but Rodgers will be healthy again so the Packers will throw more. Eli has to rebound. RG3 will probably rebound. Foles will regress but overall the eagles offense will likely out produce it's last year totals. The Vikings will probably pass more this year, so will the Seahawks, Bucs and 49ers. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a massive jump in yardage and another 20-30 TDs this year.

 
Since I was curious . . .

Over the same timeframe, there were 41 WRs drafted in the 2nd round. They did not produce anywhere near as well as the 1st round guys. On average 25-334-2.

But there were a number of guys that panned out later on including Vincent Jackson, Greg Jennings, Sidney Rice, DeSean Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Golden Tate, Randall Cobb, and Alshon Jeffery.

 
Evans may benefit from having a stud WR like Vjax on the other side of him, but I don't think McCown will lock on to him.
Can tell you one thing - McCown was NOT locking on to his #1 when he was in Chicago.

I expect more of the same in TB

 
great thread.

The observation jmo87usc made early on is very interesting and it makes me wonder who is going to emerge in Jacksonville. Not a lot of talent down there and depending on how Lee/Robinson look, there may be a nice late round pick there with tremendous upside if they are playing behind in a lot of games.

 
Khy said:
2012 - 2013 wasn't a massive bump in yardage only about 2000 yards, the jump, we really saw was in TDs. And I definitely see that trend continuing. Peyton won't toss up 55 again, but Rodgers will be healthy again so the Packers will throw more. Eli has to rebound. RG3 will probably rebound. Foles will regress but overall the eagles offense will likely out produce it's last year totals. The Vikings will probably pass more this year, so will the Seahawks, Bucs and 49ers. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a massive jump in yardage and another 20-30 TDs this year.
Aarron Rodgers will be back. RG III came back last year and wasn't the same. Tom Brady wasn't the same the year after he missed when he tore his ACL so guys like E.J. Manuel and Brian Hoyer, both coming off ACL injuries may not be 100% and neither of them are/were proven commodities.

Point being that even if Rodgers comes back someone else will inevitably get injured. Happens every year but the outliners that came to my mind last year was Peyton's record breaking season and the scewed passing stats that showed the Cleveland Browns had the most passing attempts over any other NFL team.

The rules favor the passing game but the Seahawks won the SB last year with tough-D and on offense they base that offense off a solid rushing attack. That team destroyed the Broncos and the rest of the league took note. I think we'll teams try to emulate the SF/SEA model with more emphasis on the rushing attack combined with solid-D.

The general trend is obviously increased passing stats but I think select teams are shifting gears to building a strong defense ang going with more game/clock/field management based off a solid rushing attack on offense. Just my :2cents:

 
Anarchy99 said:
Since I was curious . . .

Over the same timeframe, there were 41 WRs drafted in the 2nd round. They did not produce anywhere near as well as the 1st round guys. On average 25-334-2.

But there were a number of guys that panned out later on including Vincent Jackson, Greg Jennings, Sidney Rice, DeSean Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Golden Tate, Randall Cobb, and Alshon Jeffery.
Good stuff!

It would be really interesting to see how WRs taken in the 1st and 2nd rounds favored in their 2nd and 3rd years so see what effect that round drafted had longer term. I would naturally think players taken higher would have the best chance of success and would produce higher numbers immediately but that if a player was taken in the 2nd round that they would have been seen as a talent that 'probably' would need a bit more time to blossom. Lots of guys come to mind, Greg Jennings. Chad 'Ocho-Cinco' Johnson, Sidney Rice, were taken in the 2nd round and took a lil-time before coming around. Err just thought of two others, Josh Gordon (supplemental 2nd rounder) and Anquan Boldin but Bolding blew-up out of the gate.

Great info on WRs taken in the 2nd round but wonder how the comparison would be with 1st and 2nd round WRs over time because I think the WRs taken in the 2nd would logically require more time to hone their skills and win a shot at a starting job.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Since I was curious . . .

Over the same timeframe, there were 41 WRs drafted in the 2nd round. They did not produce anywhere near as well as the 1st round guys. On average 25-334-2.

But there were a number of guys that panned out later on including Vincent Jackson, Greg Jennings, Sidney Rice, DeSean Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Golden Tate, Randall Cobb, and Alshon Jeffery.
Good stuff!

It would be really interesting to see how WRs taken in the 1st and 2nd rounds favored in their 2nd and 3rd years so see what effect that round drafted had longer term. I would naturally think players taken higher would have the best chance of success and would produce higher numbers immediately but that if a player was taken in the 2nd round that they would have been seen as a talent that 'probably' would need a bit more time to blossom. Lots of guys come to mind, Greg Jennings. Chad 'Ocho-Cinco' Johnson, Sidney Rice, were taken in the 2nd round and took a lil-time before coming around. Err just thought of two others, Josh Gordon (supplemental 2nd rounder) and Anquan Boldin but Bolding blew-up out of the gate.

Great info on WRs taken in the 2nd round but wonder how the comparison would be with 1st and 2nd round WRs over time because I think the WRs taken in the 2nd would logically require more time to hone their skills and win a shot at a starting job.
Shooting from the hip, I think part of the explanation lies in the opportunity afforded to first round picks. Without any research or analysis, I would guess teams that took a WR in the first round had an immediate need and would give that player a chance to get on the field quickly. But someone taken in the second round may be put in a spot where he could be brought along slower or other receivers had a bit more of a stranglehold on playing time. Harder to carve out a role as a 4th or 5th receiver instead of a 2nd or 3rd receiver.

 
THE AVERAGE: 41 catches, 565 yards, 4 TDs
I'm not a fan of this number being thrown around so much... look at the last 5 seasons. If a guy is highlighted in red it means he didn't play more than 12 games (not start, just suit up) as a rookie. Because this whole 'rookie average' thing that keeps being mentioned around the fantasy community is complete BS in my eyes. If a rookie wideout in the last 5 seasons actually suited up for over 3/4 of the games (which we know Beckham, Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Benjamin will 100% be doing short of injury), here's how they performed.

...THE AVERAGE: 52 Receptions, 721 yards, 4.7 TDs

That is a much more reasonable stat line when we're trying to predict one of these guys who we know will see immediate field time from day one.
Unfortunately the problem we really do not know for certain which players will or won't suit up for 3/4 of the games.

I do like using the most recent stats but also having the longer view with more data points is also a big help.
See, I think we have a pretty good idea that Watkins and Evans will be starting most of the games if healthy, they were drafted to high to sit on the sidelines. Buffalo didn't give up a 2015 1st to move up and get Watkins to leave him on the bench in gym shorts. Same goes for OBJ, I can't see a scenario where he isn't suiting up every game and out on the field for a bulk of plays. Cooks is probably the biggest question mark of the above group but I think he too will see a good amount of playing time this season.

As for the 2nd thing, I actually don't think a longer view is relevant in the slightest form to this situation. Maybe including 2007 and 2008 could warrant some discussion but prior to that this was a whole different league. Even then, you had one or two offenses that were high flying. These days that's everyone more or less. The opportunity for rookie production is so much higher in the past 5 seasons that every before which is why I chose that number. It wasn't arbitrary. Here, lets look at it this way.

Here are the NFL passing stats from 2008 (6 years ago) to last season:

2008 - 16,526 Passing Attempts, 108,177 yards, 646 TDs

2009 - 17,033 Passing Attempts, 111,851 yards, 710 TDs

2010 - 17,269 Passing Attempts, 113,450 yards, 751 TDs

2011 - 17,410 Passing Attempts, 117,601 yards, 745 TDs

2012 - 17,788 Passing Attempts, 118,418 yards, 757 TDs

2013 - 18,136 Passing Attempts, 120,626 yards, 804 TDs

Do you see why I feel like the last 5 years is really all that's relevant? The gap between 2013 and 2008 is 1610 attempts, 12449 yards and 158 TDs

That's about the equivalent of 2.5 2013 Peyton Manning's added to the league between 2008 and 2013. We're talking an extra 2192.9 fantasy points to go around to receivers since then. It's such a glaring abnormality it's not only irrelevant it's actually reckless to include anything earlier than 2009. Because even 2008 vs 2009 was absolutely hilarious in it's gap... 507 Attempts, 3674 yards, 64 TDs. Apparently between 2008 and 2009 there was an expansion team that was just on fire or something... (joking of course).
Khy this is an interesting point that you bring up and I agree that over the last 5 years there has been significant change in the NFL in terms of total plays being run and the higher frequency of passing plays compared to running plays.


2013 total plays 33302 18136pa 13871ra

Team averages 1040.7 plays 556.8pa 433.5ra

2012 total plays 32882 17788pa 13925ra

Team averages 1027.6 plays 555.9pa 435.2ra

2011 total plays 32569 17410pa 13971ra

Team averages 1017.8 plays 544.1pa 436.6ra

2010 total plays 32319 17269pa 13920ra

Team averages 1010 plays 539.7pa 435ra 4.2ypc

2009 total plays 32222 17033pa 14088ra

Team averages 1006.9 plays 532.3pa 440.3ra

2008 31681 plays 16526pa 14119ra

Team averages 990 plays 516pa 441ra

2007 32133 plays 17045pa 13986ra

Team averages 1004 plays 532pa 437ra

2006 32000 plays 16389pa 14447ra

Team averages 1000 plays 512pa 451ra

2005 32021 plays 16464pa 14375ra

Team averages 1000 plays 515pa 449ra

2004 31978 plays 16354pa 14428ra

Team averages 999 plays 511pa 450ra

So you see the total plays keep going up corresponding with an increase in pass attempts compared to rushing attempts. This is no accident either as evaluation and studies have incentivised coaches to keep calling more passing plays because it improves their chances at points and 1st downs which win games.

This also has to do with the valuation of personnel. Teams will draft offensive linemen for their pass protecting abilities over their run blocking. So the players who are better run blockers are not valued as highly. This somewhat locks teams into passing the ball more as their team is not really built to run the ball well. It takes a long term commitment with front office and coaching staff in agreement to run the ball and there are only a few teams in the league who seem committed to that philosophy. While the rest of the teams are focusing on what they consider to be the highest priority, passing the ball to win.

However the event that I believe has changed the league the most was the enforcement of the no chuck rule in 2004. It may have taken a season or 2 for that momentum to shift, you see in 2007 rushing attempts dropped to 437ra for the 1st time then followed by 2 years of a correction to the 440 level before settling in at about 435ra the last 4 years.

The largest jump in total plays has been occurring over the last 3 seasons however. I think this is due to more teams adopting the no huddle or up tempo offensive philosophy. Momentum on that seems to be building also as more teams adopt the philosophy across the NFL. Right now I think close to 50% of the teams are planning to employ this increased pacing in their offenses. So I am thinking that plays go up again in 2014. The run heavy up tempo offense seems like one of the few things keeping rushing attempts league wide from falling even further than they have.

So I agree this is a more favorable environment for all WR including rookies. There has been a big boost for rookie TE production over the past few seasons as well. At the same time I do consider 2004 to be a relevant time frame to consider, because that is when I think the major change began due to the no chuck rule being re-enforced at that time. If you go back to seasons prior to 2004 the run ratios are for the most part with teams running the ball 440 or more times a season compared to the 435 they seem to be now.

Great rookie seasons come from all eras however. So I wouldn't go so far as to say looking at anything before 2009 is irrelevant. It still comes down to each player and situation.
 
I would be interested in seeing the context of the drafted receivers quantified. Hard to achieve though. There is a big difference in a WR with a terrible QB and no other options and one who is getting brought into the fold of an established system.

 
THE AVERAGE: 41 catches, 565 yards, 4 TDs
I'm not a fan of this number being thrown around so much... look at the last 5 seasons. If a guy is highlighted in red it means he didn't play more than 12 games (not start, just suit up) as a rookie. Because this whole 'rookie average' thing that keeps being mentioned around the fantasy community is complete BS in my eyes. If a rookie wideout in the last 5 seasons actually suited up for over 3/4 of the games (which we know Beckham, Watkins, Evans, Cooks, Benjamin will 100% be doing short of injury), here's how they performed.

...THE AVERAGE: 52 Receptions, 721 yards, 4.7 TDs

That is a much more reasonable stat line when we're trying to predict one of these guys who we know will see immediate field time from day one.
Unfortunately the problem we really do not know for certain which players will or won't suit up for 3/4 of the games.

I do like using the most recent stats but also having the longer view with more data points is also a big help.
See, I think we have a pretty good idea that Watkins and Evans will be starting most of the games if healthy, they were drafted to high to sit on the sidelines. Buffalo didn't give up a 2015 1st to move up and get Watkins to leave him on the bench in gym shorts. Same goes for OBJ, I can't see a scenario where he isn't suiting up every game and out on the field for a bulk of plays. Cooks is probably the biggest question mark of the above group but I think he too will see a good amount of playing time this season.

As for the 2nd thing, I actually don't think a longer view is relevant in the slightest form to this situation. Maybe including 2007 and 2008 could warrant some discussion but prior to that this was a whole different league. Even then, you had one or two offenses that were high flying. These days that's everyone more or less. The opportunity for rookie production is so much higher in the past 5 seasons that every before which is why I chose that number. It wasn't arbitrary. Here, lets look at it this way.

Here are the NFL passing stats from 2008 (6 years ago) to last season:

2008 - 16,526 Passing Attempts, 108,177 yards, 646 TDs

2009 - 17,033 Passing Attempts, 111,851 yards, 710 TDs

2010 - 17,269 Passing Attempts, 113,450 yards, 751 TDs

2011 - 17,410 Passing Attempts, 117,601 yards, 745 TDs

2012 - 17,788 Passing Attempts, 118,418 yards, 757 TDs

2013 - 18,136 Passing Attempts, 120,626 yards, 804 TDs

Do you see why I feel like the last 5 years is really all that's relevant? The gap between 2013 and 2008 is 1610 attempts, 12449 yards and 158 TDs

That's about the equivalent of 2.5 2013 Peyton Manning's added to the league between 2008 and 2013. We're talking an extra 2192.9 fantasy points to go around to receivers since then. It's such a glaring abnormality it's not only irrelevant it's actually reckless to include anything earlier than 2009. Because even 2008 vs 2009 was absolutely hilarious in it's gap... 507 Attempts, 3674 yards, 64 TDs. Apparently between 2008 and 2009 there was an expansion team that was just on fire or something... (joking of course).
Khy this is an interesting point that you bring up and I agree that over the last 5 years there has been significant change in the NFL in terms of total plays being run and the higher frequency of passing plays compared to running plays.


2013 total plays 33302 18136pa 13871ra

Team averages 1040.7 plays 556.8pa 433.5ra

2012 total plays 32882 17788pa 13925ra

Team averages 1027.6 plays 555.9pa 435.2ra

2011 total plays 32569 17410pa 13971ra

Team averages 1017.8 plays 544.1pa 436.6ra

2010 total plays 32319 17269pa 13920ra

Team averages 1010 plays 539.7pa 435ra 4.2ypc

2009 total plays 32222 17033pa 14088ra

Team averages 1006.9 plays 532.3pa 440.3ra

2008 31681 plays 16526pa 14119ra

Team averages 990 plays 516pa 441ra

2007 32133 plays 17045pa 13986ra

Team averages 1004 plays 532pa 437ra

2006 32000 plays 16389pa 14447ra

Team averages 1000 plays 512pa 451ra

2005 32021 plays 16464pa 14375ra

Team averages 1000 plays 515pa 449ra

2004 31978 plays 16354pa 14428ra

Team averages 999 plays 511pa 450ra

So you see the total plays keep going up corresponding with an increase in pass attempts compared to rushing attempts. This is no accident either as evaluation and studies have incentivised coaches to keep calling more passing plays because it improves their chances at points and 1st downs which win games.

This also has to do with the valuation of personnel. Teams will draft offensive linemen for their pass protecting abilities over their run blocking. So the players who are better run blockers are not valued as highly. This somewhat locks teams into passing the ball more as their team is not really built to run the ball well. It takes a long term commitment with front office and coaching staff in agreement to run the ball and there are only a few teams in the league who seem committed to that philosophy. While the rest of the teams are focusing on what they consider to be the highest priority, passing the ball to win.

However the event that I believe has changed the league the most was the enforcement of the no chuck rule in 2004. It may have taken a season or 2 for that momentum to shift, you see in 2007 rushing attempts dropped to 437ra for the 1st time then followed by 2 years of a correction to the 440 level before settling in at about 435ra the last 4 years.

The largest jump in total plays has been occurring over the last 3 seasons however. I think this is due to more teams adopting the no huddle or up tempo offensive philosophy. Momentum on that seems to be building also as more teams adopt the philosophy across the NFL. Right now I think close to 50% of the teams are planning to employ this increased pacing in their offenses. So I am thinking that plays go up again in 2014. The run heavy up tempo offense seems like one of the few things keeping rushing attempts league wide from falling even further than they have.

So I agree this is a more favorable environment for all WR including rookies. There has been a big boost for rookie TE production over the past few seasons as well. At the same time I do consider 2004 to be a relevant time frame to consider, because that is when I think the major change began due to the no chuck rule being re-enforced at that time. If you go back to seasons prior to 2004 the run ratios are for the most part with teams running the ball 440 or more times a season compared to the 435 they seem to be now.

Great rookie seasons come from all eras however. So I wouldn't go so far as to say looking at anything before 2009 is irrelevant. It still comes down to each player and situation.
Good post, but just to clarify on the bold. What I meant when I said it's irrelevant is that prior to that point the league was throwing roughly 3 full QBs less attempts/yards/tds than they are now. That to me is enough to make the prior years irrelevant because the averages will keep getting lower and lower the more historical data you include. Sure, you'll randomly get inclusions like Clayton or Moss but for everyone of those there was another 3-6 WRs every year that went in the 1st and had DHB style seasons. The whole point of my post was to show that over the past 5 years every WR drafted in the first round who saw significant playtime WAS a fantasy relevant WR at some point in the season. Even if that was after week 8, they were still a solid WW target and produced at a decent clip for you.

 
Yet another way to look at things . . .

In the past 10 years, there have been 26 rookie WRs to score 100+ fantasy points in a season. The breakdown:

12 first round picks

5 second round picks

4 third round picks

2 fourth round picks

1 fifth round pick

1 seventh round pick

1 undrafted

 
The whole point of my post was to show that over the past 5 years every WR drafted in the first round who saw significant playtime WAS a fantasy relevant WR at some point in the season. Even if that was after week 8, they were still a solid WW target and produced at a decent clip for you.
This is pretty much what we, as fantasy players, have to determine. I'm not sure it's really all that novel of an idea to be honest. Opportunity = fantasy success nearly all of the time.

 
See, I think we have a pretty good idea that Watkins and Evans will be starting most of the games if healthy, they were drafted to high to sit on the sidelines. Buffalo didn't give up a 2015 1st to move up and get Watkins to leave him on the bench in gym shorts. Same goes for OBJ, I can't see a scenario where he isn't suiting up every game and out on the field for a bulk of plays. Cooks is probably the biggest question mark of the above group but I think he too will see a good amount of playing time this season.

As for the 2nd thing, I actually don't think a longer view is relevant in the slightest form to this situation. Maybe including 2007 and 2008 could warrant some discussion but prior to that this was a whole different league. Even then, you had one or two offenses that were high flying. These days that's everyone more or less. The opportunity for rookie production is so much higher in the past 5 seasons that every before which is why I chose that number. It wasn't arbitrary. Here, lets look at it this way.

Here are the NFL passing stats from 2008 (6 years ago) to last season:

2008 - 16,526 Passing Attempts, 108,177 yards, 646 TDs

2009 - 17,033 Passing Attempts, 111,851 yards, 710 TDs

2010 - 17,269 Passing Attempts, 113,450 yards, 751 TDs

2011 - 17,410 Passing Attempts, 117,601 yards, 745 TDs

2012 - 17,788 Passing Attempts, 118,418 yards, 757 TDs

2013 - 18,136 Passing Attempts, 120,626 yards, 804 TDs

Do you see why I feel like the last 5 years is really all that's relevant? The gap between 2013 and 2008 is 1610 attempts, 12449 yards and 158 TDs

That's about the equivalent of 2.5 2013 Peyton Manning's added to the league between 2008 and 2013. We're talking an extra 2192.9 fantasy points to go around to receivers since then. It's such a glaring abnormality it's not only irrelevant it's actually reckless to include anything earlier than 2009. Because even 2008 vs 2009 was absolutely hilarious in it's gap... 507 Attempts, 3674 yards, 64 TDs. Apparently between 2008 and 2009 there was an expansion team that was just on fire or something... (joking of course).
And this is why I love the Shark Pool, good discussion and great information sharing.One thing that relates to all rookies is something that Todd McShay has mentioned more than once concerning rookies who don't make it. He said that their are basically two main reasons why rookies who were highly tauted had failed in the past, injuries and charactor issues which covers the gamit of off-field hijinx.

So although we'd like to think we know, we can't say for certain that a guy like a Justin BlackMON woudl relapse into his off-field issues or that a guy without charactor concerns like Crabtree wouldn't catch-on (no pun intended) right away.

So as much as I'd like to just agree with you since you share some awesome stats, I have to go back to what McShay has said about the two main reasons why guys did not succeed.

Also I don't like to dismiss or dimish stats, and you share some good ones to back up your point but last year two things stick out to me for the big bump in passing yards.

1. Peyton Manning's record breaking season.

Not sure that gets replicted this year.

2. The team that attempted the most passes in the NFL last season?

The Cleveland Browns under OC Norval Turner.

The Browns basically gave-up on the run after trading away RB Trent Richardson and they had nothing in the cubbard at RB after T-Rich left town.

Its not like they had great QB play having used three different QB but Norv passed, and passed, and passed, till the cows came home.

Not sure the Browns will do that since they:

- signed FA RB Ben Tate

- moved-up in the draft to take RB Terrance West

- drafted OG Joel Bitonio in the 2nd round instead of taking a WR

- might not have the NFL's leading WR Josh Gordon all year

But excellent contribution. :thumbup:
2012 - 2013 wasn't a massive bump in yardage only about 2000 yards, the jump, we really saw was in TDs. And I definitely see that trend continuing. Peyton won't toss up 55 again, but Rodgers will be healthy again so the Packers will throw more. Eli has to rebound. RG3 will probably rebound. Foles will regress but overall the eagles offense will likely out produce it's last year totals. The Vikings will probably pass more this year, so will the Seahawks, Bucs and 49ers. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a massive jump in yardage and another 20-30 TDs this year.
Don't forget... The Bills will likely get 35-40 TDs through the air this year... :thumbup:

:homer:

 
Yet another way to look at things . . .

In the past 10 years, there have been 26 rookie WRs to score 100+ fantasy points in a season. The breakdown:

12 first round picks

5 second round picks

4 third round picks

2 fourth round picks

1 fifth round pick

1 seventh round pick

1 undrafted
This is great stuff.

Showing the importance of draft status to fantasy success.

So taking this information showing far greater success of 1st round picks and then using the long-term average of 1st round picks from 2004 to 2013:

- THE AVERAGE: 41 catches, 565 yards, 4 TDs

Then using the data point of the most recent average of 1st round WRs noting the general up-tick of passing stats over the past five years 'if a 1st round WR suited up for 3/4s of the games':

...THE AVERAGE: 52 Receptions, 721 yards, 4.7 TDs

Then noting the average rookie production of 2nd round WRs taken from 2004 to 2013 we see.

- On average 25 receptions -334 receiving yards - 2 receiving TDs

Would be great to see this information spread out over the first couple of years to see when/if players hit or produced on average over time.

Great contributions and kots of solid data points to help to try and gauge how this rookie WR crop might pan out especially since many WRs went in the 2nd round or later so knowing how those prospects produced over time would be very-helpful. :thumbup:

 
Would be great to see this information spread out over the first couple of years to see when/if players hit or produced on average over time.
2009

Darrius Heyward-Bey

  • Year 1: 9/124/1
  • Year 2: 26/366/1
  • Year 3: 64/975/4
Michael Crabtree

  • Year 1: 48/625/2
  • Year 2: 55/741/6
  • Year 3 - 72/874/4
Jeremy Maclin

  • Year 1: 56/773/4
  • Year 2: 70/964/10
  • Year 3: 63/859/5
Percy Harvin -32

  • Year 1: 60/790/6
  • Year 2: 71/868/5
  • Year 3: 87/967/6
Hakeem Nicks

  • Year 1: 47/790/6
  • Year 2: 79/1052/11
  • Year 3: 76/1192/7
Kenny Britt -

  • Year 1: 42/701/3
  • Year 2: 42/775/9
  • Year 3: 17/289/3 **Played 3 Games**
2010

Demaryius Thomas

  • Year 1: 22/283/2
  • Year 2: 32/551/4
  • Year 3: 94/1434/10
Dez Bryant

  • Year 1: 45/561/6
  • Year 2: 63/928/9
  • Year 3: 92/1382/12
2011

AJ Green

  • Year 1: 65/1057/7
  • Year 2: 97/1350/11
  • Year 3: 98/1426/11
Julio Jones

  • Year 1: 54/959/8
  • Year 2: 79/1198/10
  • Year 3: 41/580/2 **Played 5 games**
Jonathan Baldwin

  • Year 1: 21/254/1
  • Year 2: 20/32/1
  • Year 3: 3/28/0
2012

Justin Blackmon

  • Year 1: 64/865/5
  • Year 2: 29/415/1 **Played 4 games**
Michael Floyd

  • Year 1: 45/562/2
  • Year 2: 65/1041/5
Kendall Wright

  • Year 1: 64/626/4
  • Year 2: 94/1079/2
AJ Jenkins

  • Year 1: 0/0/0
  • Year 2: 8/130/0
Okay... so first before we start to average lets take the odd men out. AJ Jenkins and Jon Baldwin were both complete flops. The never even got a real chance it seems. So I'm not going to be using them for the averages. In year 2 I'll say if you didn't catch at least 40 receptions you probably weren't used as a 1st round WR and that's kind of besides the point of this experiment. So our cutoff for season 1 & 2 will be 40 receptions for the averages. We have to assume that these 1st round guys will have an actual chance to be a starter on their teams and I think 40 is a good measurable cutoff. It'd be silly to include the guys like Jenkins and Baldwin in this numbers experiment as they simply weren't for outside reasons. Also I'll be ignoring a player who was hurt or suspended for any relevant length of the season. The only 2 in this case are Blackmon's year 2 and Britt's year 3 both of which only played 3-4 games so they'll be excluded.

So... we already have year 1 averages above. Here are the year 2's: 72/1000/7.8

Year 3 averages: 81 receptions, 1139 yards, 7.38 TDs

So by year two almost all of these guys who got a chance were producing at mid-high WR2s with a ceiling of elite WR1s. So if you wanted just cleaner way to look at these numbers, below are the averages over each of their first three years. As well as what they're fantasy points (base PPR 1 point, 0.1 yard, 6 pt TD) would've been and relative positioning based on last seasons finishes.

First Round WR Averages:

Rookie Seasons: 52 Receptions, 721 yards, 4.7 TDs - 152.3 FP - WR40 (WR4) - Highest: 212.7 FP (AJ Green - WR18) - So between 212.7 and 152.3 is a solid projection in your rookie years

Second Seasons: 72 Receptions, 1000 yards, 7.9 TDs - 219.4 FP - WR16 (High WR2)

Third Seasons: 81 Receptions, 1139 yards, 7.38 TDs - 239.18 FP - WR13 (High WR2/Low WR1)

So yeah, a first round WR is a really solid projection of a WR4 with WR2/3 upside. After that, the myth of the 2nd round breakout is all but proven to be true at least with a 1st round WR. We see a massive jump in receptions, yardage and touchdowns for a total averaged climb of about 67 fantasy points.

 
Bottom lining the information into bullet points and piling them onto the previous complied stats.

This information should be a great help to anyone who is entering a rookie/dynasty draft to help them try and determine how these guys might pan-out over time.

I will caution that throwing the outliners away like A.J. Jenkins and John Baldwin is unwise because the NFL drafted those guys in the first round when the stakes are much higher than FF so if they can miss and pick the wrong players then ........

So I think a great way to minimize the risk is if you can take TWO first-round WRs that at least one of them 'should' hit and produce the numbers that Khy compiled where those misses were tossed to the side so we can see how much well the best rookie WRs produced. :thanks:

Here are the year 2's: 72/1000/7.8

Year 3 averages: 81 receptions, 1139 yards, 7.38 TDs

- So between 212.7 and 152.3 is a solid projection in your rookie years

72 Receptions, 1000 yards, 7.9 TDs - 219.4 FP - WR16 (High WR2)

81 Receptions, 1139 yards, 7.38 TDs - 239.18 FP - WR13 (High WR2/Low WR1)
So the compiled information so-far.

First the fantasy relevant seasons over the past decade broken down by draft status:

In the past 10 years, (2004-2013) there have been 26 rookie WRs to score 100+ fantasy points in a season. The breakdown:

- 12 first round picks

- 5 second round picks

- 4 third round picks

- 2 fourth round picks

- 1 fifth round pick

- 1 seventh round pick

1 undrafted

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Second rookie seasons for all 1st round WRs over the past decade:

the long-term average of 1st round picks from 2004 to 2013:

- THE AVERAGE: 41 catches, 565 yards, 4 TDs

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Third rookie seasons over the past five seasons for 1st round rookie WRs who started minimum of 3/4 of their rookie season:



stats over the past five years 'if a 1st round WR suited up for 3/4s of the games':

...THE AVERAGE:

52 Receptions, 721 yards, 4.7 TDs

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Fourth the average production of all 2nd round rookie WRs over the past decade in their rookie season:

2nd round WRs taken from 2004 to 2013

we see.

- On average 25 receptions -334 receiving yards - 2 receiving TDs

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