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Rookie values Predraft vs Post Draft (1 Viewer)
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loose circuits
Footballguy
why Stephen Hill? Kendall Wright? Both should have chance to startYou don't feel good about Quick?
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jurb26
Footballguy
Hill has Sanchez or Tebow throwing to him and it would appear that will be the case for a decent amount of time. No thank you on that front. I do still like Hill as a player and am intregued but this has to lower his value.Wright, almost the same thing. I'm not confident in his QB either. I'm not dropping him a whole lot, but it hurts him IMO.Quick, I'm indifferent too. I don't think he is a WR1 and therefor landing in St. L where there are nothing but slot WRs and WR2s doesn't really make me fell better or worse about it.
mlball77
Footballguy
If I'm being honest, I'm a little disappointed. I just felt like a few guys I had interest in maybe didn't land in the best of spots and some I had only a little less interest in did land in those better spots. That said, I need to remind myself to focus more on talent over situation. Situations can change very quickly in the NFL. Sure, the window for RBs is smaller, and more impacted by initial situation, but overall, I need to be focused more on talent.
A lot of people are dropping Blackmon but I'm okay with Jax. Floyd as well - he should benefit from single coverage. Still like them both a lot.
A bit disappointed in Wright's landing spot but mostly because I thought Damian Williams/Nate Washington were good enough.
Very disappointed in Wilson's landing spot - I don't think he "beats out" Bradshaw, but will be part of a RBBC instead. Wish he would have gone to Cincy or somewhere with a legit opening.
Both Hill & Quick are projects so I didn't expect them to contribute right away. Would take Quick over Hill probably based on situation, but before the draft I liked Hill more.
Love Pead and Hillman's spots - both vault up the boards to me. Hillman will have more immediate impact if Peyton lets him get on the field, but I think both have a legit shot at becoming full time fantasy starters in the not too distant future.
Like Sanu's spot, dislike Randle's -- I liked Randle more going into the draft but would take Sanu over him now.
A bit disappointed in Wright's landing spot but mostly because I thought Damian Williams/Nate Washington were good enough.
Very disappointed in Wilson's landing spot - I don't think he "beats out" Bradshaw, but will be part of a RBBC instead. Wish he would have gone to Cincy or somewhere with a legit opening.
Both Hill & Quick are projects so I didn't expect them to contribute right away. Would take Quick over Hill probably based on situation, but before the draft I liked Hill more.
Love Pead and Hillman's spots - both vault up the boards to me. Hillman will have more immediate impact if Peyton lets him get on the field, but I think both have a legit shot at becoming full time fantasy starters in the not too distant future.
Like Sanu's spot, dislike Randle's -- I liked Randle more going into the draft but would take Sanu over him now.
Shutout
Footballguy
I am disappointed, overall if I have a pick outside the top 7 or so. It seems like a lot of these guys are going to bad locations. I know someone above said they are trying to focus on talent over situation but this draft isn't normal; these guys aren't going somewhere where they are behind old vets like Tony Gonzalez or aging QBs. The WRs are going to teams with bad QBs or with bonafide other options. THe TEs are going to teams with YOUNG, good TEs. Even the darkhorse QBs are going to teams that just added QBs. Overall, i'm left a little flat.
EBF
Footballguy
I like it.
I like it when players like Miller, Floyd, Pierce, and Randle get buried. It gives you a chance to get a good talent at a discount because so many people only focus on the short term. There will be some good players sliding down the board this year, and that's great news if you hold a late pick.
I like it when players like Miller, Floyd, Pierce, and Randle get buried. It gives you a chance to get a good talent at a discount because so many people only focus on the short term. There will be some good players sliding down the board this year, and that's great news if you hold a late pick.
TheWick
Footballguy
Is this any different from other years?
cstu
Footballguy
RB's usually go to better situations than this. Only Doug Martin went to a team where he should start right away.
Was it expected that someone like Pierce was going to get to start right away?This happens every year- look at the better RBs in the league now. Most of them did not walk right into the starters role as a rookie.
Chimp Magnet
Footballguy
Remember that Hillis signed a 1 year cheap deal. He's no lock to stick with the team. Gray could have value down the road.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
What's the Micheal Smith signing do to Martins value? Seem like a guy that's underrated but could easily make himself a part of an RBBC.
I think the question is more what he does to Blounts value. I dont think the future looks great for Blount as a Buc. Just my opinion.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Giants wouldn't have drafted Wilson in the first if they didn't at least see him as an every down back , 1b to Bradshaws 1a...given Bradshaws inability to stay healthy, I suspect they drafted him with the idea of being another Tiki Barber type of bell cow rb..As others have pointed out on this board, perhaps the injury to Bradshaws foot is worse than what people think...for the Giants to take a RB in the first round, it says a lot about Wilson, their plans for him, and about Bradshaws foot..I think the Blackmon to Jax thing makes his value drop like a stone tossed In a lake...Weedens value rises , same with Sanu now that he is going to play alongside AJ Green and Dalton.
Richardson too.
It's no worse than last year when the only guy after the draft who looked like the job was his was Daniel Thomas.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
LOL. If you take anything away from this draft it should be that the draftniks and so called experts do not what the hell they are talking. Case in point in Polk. All 32 teams take a pass on a guy many sites touted as a top 7 RB.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
FWIW he went undrafted for medical reasons is what the rumor is. Same reason why Miller fell so far, shoulder worriesLOL. If you take anything away from this draft it should be that the draftniks and so called experts do not what the hell they are talking. Case in point in Polk. All 32 teams take a pass on a guy many sites touted as a top 7 RB.
The Comedian
Footballguy
FWIW he went undrafted for medical reasons is what the rumor is. Same reason why Miller fell so far, shoulder worriesLOL. If you take anything away from this draft it should be that the draftniks and so called experts do not what the hell they are talking. Case in point in Polk. All 32 teams take a pass on a guy many sites touted as a top 7 RB.
More often than not, when the draftniks/pundits are WAY off on a guy, it's for medical reasons that the public isn't privy too. Or it's Jimmy Clausen.
The Comedian
Footballguy
Anyone who tells you that they're more excited about this rookie class after the NFL draft is probably about to try and trade you his pick.
It happens every year. Everyone gets excited ranking the top 10 rookies pre-draft thinking they are going to be plug and play, but a few QBs ranked in the 20-30s FF-wise go in the second and third rounds (and sometimes first round), then 3 or 4 of the pre-draft top 10 fall to the third or even four rounds and end up on a team behind behind a vet who is not going to give up his starting spot for a few years. And the hype fizzles. This is why it's so funny to see people down on Blackmon just because he went to Jax. He's one of the few rookies who actually is likely to be an day 1 start in the NFL.
clwn_posse
Footballguy
Luck - adding Fleener gives a bit more upside
Blackmon - would have rather seen him go to Minnesota, hard to get excited about the Jags offense
Floyd - not a bad spot but QB situation not ideal for numbers for those not named Fitzgerald
Wright - decent opportunity if Titans open up that offense
Jenkins - was my WR sleeper so, for me, this pick was too early and to the wrong team
Martin - great spot, moves him up on my board
Wilson - another great spot with Bradshaw injury problems, Giants like his football IQ
Quick - great spot, biggest mover on my board, I heard some mention of him during scouting but had no idea he could get this kind of opportunity
Fleener - solid spot, keeps him in the late first, early second consideration, would have liked him in NY Giant blue better
Hill - specter of Tebow kills his value
Jeffery - bump for him, one to watch in the preseason
Pead - great spot, doubt I will be in position to pick him with the picks I have
Broyles - big bump for him, Lions didn't need him but took him anyway
James - Like Jenkins I had him higher than most and hate the landing spot
Randle - not too bad a spot for him to further develop
Blackmon - would have rather seen him go to Minnesota, hard to get excited about the Jags offense
Floyd - not a bad spot but QB situation not ideal for numbers for those not named Fitzgerald
Wright - decent opportunity if Titans open up that offense
Jenkins - was my WR sleeper so, for me, this pick was too early and to the wrong team
Martin - great spot, moves him up on my board
Wilson - another great spot with Bradshaw injury problems, Giants like his football IQ
Quick - great spot, biggest mover on my board, I heard some mention of him during scouting but had no idea he could get this kind of opportunity
Fleener - solid spot, keeps him in the late first, early second consideration, would have liked him in NY Giant blue better
Hill - specter of Tebow kills his value
Jeffery - bump for him, one to watch in the preseason
Pead - great spot, doubt I will be in position to pick him with the picks I have
Broyles - big bump for him, Lions didn't need him but took him anyway
James - Like Jenkins I had him higher than most and hate the landing spot
Randle - not too bad a spot for him to further develop
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Regardless of the reason why Polk fell if you label yourself as "an expert" a reasonable expectation would be that you would have the same knowledge that was common among every NFL team. And not to side track my point with a specific name, A.J. Jenkins is a another example of how little these so called experts and draftnicks know. He was nowhere to be found in any sites top WRs. Yet we come to find out not only was he at the top of the 9ers chart, he was also coveted by the Rams.I am just relieved the draft is over so all this mock draft nonsense comes to an end.FWIW he went undrafted for medical reasons is what the rumor is. Same reason why Miller fell so far, shoulder worriesLOL. If you take anything away from this draft it should be that the draftniks and so called experts do not what the hell they are talking. Case in point in Polk. All 32 teams take a pass on a guy many sites touted as a top 7 RB.
Exactly- it's the same as most years.
Shutout
Footballguy
You think this hurts Randle? I actually thought it would make people take more interest than had he went to, say, Tampa or the Jets (thinking what Eli has done the past few years gives anybody on the team a little non-earned boost...the Manning effect is alive and well here too).
EBF
Footballguy
You might be right, but in general I would rather have the 1st-2nd WR on a bad team than the 3rd WR on a great team. I think Randle could've been the best WR on the roster for someone like St. Louis, Tampa, or Cleveland.
In 2010, with Sanchez tossing the rock the combination of Edwards and Holmes put up:
53 Catches / 904 Yards / 7TD (Edwards)
52 Catches / 746 Yards / 6TD (Holmes)*
I'd say there is a definite chance New York could potentially foster '2' 1,000 receivers. Edwards put up an astonishing 17.1YPC and I believe Hill fits that same mold; maybe even better.
*Denotes that Holmes missed 4 games due to suspension
53 Catches / 904 Yards / 7TD (Edwards)
52 Catches / 746 Yards / 6TD (Holmes)*
I'd say there is a definite chance New York could potentially foster '2' 1,000 receivers. Edwards put up an astonishing 17.1YPC and I believe Hill fits that same mold; maybe even better.
*Denotes that Holmes missed 4 games due to suspension
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Shutout
Footballguy
The problem with people who are doing mocks is there is so much bias in addition to so little true knowledge.You get a lot of canned, regurgitated "analysis" of these guys and a lot of buzz words, but little substance. You see guys talk about "if you watch him on tape" and "he's got that extra gear" and "he makes a guy open his hips" and "he has elite vision", and on and on and on.All this is laughable because about 2% of people actualyl have acces to true game tape and I would say its a very very smaller amount that actually have enough acess to multiple team's tape. Now to think that we frequent random FF boards where dozens of these guys eixst AND FREELY give out the info AND have the time to do it. C'mon..How many guys do you ever see that has the time to really do this that isn't getting paid by a major network or team to actually do it?And then of course, you see the word elite and beaslty thrown out ad naseum. Half of every class that comes out can't be elite, by definition. But of course the bigger issue is the bias. The vast majority of People doing mocks are like reporters that try to make the news instead of simply report it. In order to mock a draft, by definition, you have to do the entire thing...all 7 rounds...to truly understand what a team needs from pick 1 to pick 221. And let's face it, how many of those do you ever see done? Very few. Instead, what we get is people who pick out the "x" number of players that are fantasy relevant and they try to arrange them in a way where a good story is made and the player creates fantasy worthiness. So you get Blackmon to the Rams and Wright to the Texans and Polk to..anywhere..Regardless of the reason why Polk fell if you label yourself as "an expert" a reasonable expectation would be that you would have the same knowledge that was common among every NFL team. And not to side track my point with a specific name, A.J. Jenkins is a another example of how little these so called experts and draftnicks know. He was nowhere to be found in any sites top WRs. Yet we come to find out not only was he at the top of the 9ers chart, he was also coveted by the Rams.I am just relieved the draft is over so all this mock draft nonsense comes to an end.FWIW he went undrafted for medical reasons is what the rumor is. Same reason why Miller fell so far, shoulder worriesLOL. If you take anything away from this draft it should be that the draftniks and so called experts do not what the hell they are talking. Case in point in Polk. All 32 teams take a pass on a guy many sites touted as a top 7 RB.
Shutout
Footballguy
I'm with you. I can see it. I hope you're right because I will take randle if he falls to me. I hoped that he would and thought he might. But after he went to the Giants I started thinking maybe he was getting too much exposure.
stp-d
Footballguy
'Shutout said:The problem with people who are doing mocks is there is so much bias in addition to so little true knowledge.You get a lot of canned, regurgitated "analysis" of these guys and a lot of buzz words, but little substance. You see guys talk about "if you watch him on tape" and "he's got that extra gear" and "he makes a guy open his hips" and "he has elite vision", and on and on and on.All this is laughable because about 2% of people actualyl have acces to true game tape and I would say its a very very smaller amount that actually have enough acess to multiple team's tape. Now to think that we frequent random FF boards where dozens of these guys eixst AND FREELY give out the info AND have the time to do it. C'mon..How many guys do you ever see that has the time to really do this that isn't getting paid by a major network or team to actually do it?And then of course, you see the word elite and beaslty thrown out ad naseum. Half of every class that comes out can't be elite, by definition. But of course the bigger issue is the bias. The vast majority of People doing mocks are like reporters that try to make the news instead of simply report it. In order to mock a draft, by definition, you have to do the entire thing...all 7 rounds...to truly understand what a team needs from pick 1 to pick 221. And let's face it, how many of those do you ever see done? Very few. Instead, what we get is people who pick out the "x" number of players that are fantasy relevant and they try to arrange them in a way where a good story is made and the player creates fantasy worthiness. So you get Blackmon to the Rams and Wright to the Texans and Polk to..anywhere..'32 Counter Pass said:Regardless of the reason why Polk fell if you label yourself as "an expert" a reasonable expectation would be that you would have the same knowledge that was common among every NFL team. And not to side track my point with a specific name, A.J. Jenkins is a another example of how little these so called experts and draftnicks know. He was nowhere to be found in any sites top WRs. Yet we come to find out not only was he at the top of the 9ers chart, he was also coveted by the Rams.I am just relieved the draft is over so all this mock draft nonsense comes to an end.'The Comedian said:'ThePittbully said:FWIW he went undrafted for medical reasons is what the rumor is. Same reason why Miller fell so far, shoulder worries'32 Counter Pass said:LOL. If you take anything away from this draft it should be that the draftniks and so called experts do not what the hell they are talking. Case in point in Polk. All 32 teams take a pass on a guy many sites touted as a top 7 RB.
cstu
Footballguy
He was #11 at WalterFootball. I had him at 8 ahead of slow guys like Sanu and Criner.'32 Counter Pass said:Regardless of the reason why Polk fell if you label yourself as "an expert" a reasonable expectation would be that you would have the same knowledge that was common among every NFL team. And not to side track my point with a specific name, A.J. Jenkins is a another example of how little these so called experts and draftnicks know. He was nowhere to be found in any sites top WRs. Yet we come to find out not only was he at the top of the 9ers chart, he was also coveted by the Rams.'The Comedian said:'ThePittbully said:FWIW he went undrafted for medical reasons is what the rumor is. Same reason why Miller fell so far, shoulder worries'32 Counter Pass said:LOL. If you take anything away from this draft it should be that the draftniks and so called experts do not what the hell they are talking. Case in point in Polk. All 32 teams take a pass on a guy many sites touted as a top 7 RB.
I am just relieved the draft is over so all this mock draft nonsense comes to an end.
