Silva's is well-researched and reads extremely well but he's been wrong on several occasions about which CBs will shadow WRs and that is the main reason I read it. can't do that and not have it hurt your credibility. an example is he claimed Dez Bryant would get the Dolphins #2 corner while Laurent Robinson would get Vontae Davis, the Dolphins #1. post-game blurb was Davis shadowed Bryant all day. I specifically read his column to get his takes on who shadows WRs and not until then. now I can't trust it at all
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thehornet
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i read something today in the eagles seahags mathcup breakdown calling marshawn lynch a mediocre talent. Maybe I am being nitpicky here but the guy is a world class running back and has been phenomenal this year and has had other nice seasons with the bills. Even if he is a mediocre talent, why say this when it has nothing to do with the article? silva is probably just pissed he missed on him in drafts. the personal bias overweighs the actual critical analysis and that's when you know your site has jumped the shark. all of this probably started happening around the time they were bought by nbc. could be wrong.
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You realize he only chronicles their tendencies and teams can change those up at any time?
loose circuits
Footballguy
it's almost like they just read the boxscore and assume to know what is going on. I know Jordan Norwood started for the Browns 2 weeks ago so I picked him up while I read after the game on Rotoworld that Massaquoi started. There were numerous other comments I've made in the Rotoworld sucks thread where they have guessed and whiffed, not sure we needed a new one...they do have somewhat timely updates though...just not sure why they claim to know what's going on when they don't have attention to detail which is important
Peter Lemonjello
Footballguy
You guys do realize that they don't have a crystal ball, right?
Multiple Scores
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Pretty sure everyone realizes crystal balls are for fairy tales like snow white and the wizard of oz. Their analysis still stinks.
Dr. Octopus
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How would you possibly expect him to really know that - he's giving his opinion based on trends and a team's general policy. He's some dude that writes for a fantasy football website, he's not privy to any coaches game plans. It seems people take this "expert" thing a little too far in their expectations. We all just have to gather info, consider it and decide for ourselves if it makes any sense.I'd bet any in-depth study on any fantasy football "expert" is going to show they bat about .500 at best on any pre-game analysis/predictions they put out. That's not to slam them in anyway, it's just the nature of predicting things that are mostly unpredictable.
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CompetitiveEdgeFootball
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"SP Forum members file Class Action Lawsuit vs Rotoworld.com staff..."
thehornet
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more awfulness here:
and before i say anything, let me tell you i dont own greg little in fantasy leagues.
this is from today:
After watching tape of Greg Little, NFL Network's Mike Mayock suggested the rookie projects as more of a No. 2, possession-type receiver who would be helped by the addition of a vertical threat opposite him.
"He's very raw, but I think he can develop into a very good NFL receiver," said Mayock, who did concede Little needs to cut down on drops. "He's got good size and straight-line speed. But he certainly would benefit from having a Mike Wallace-type next to him." Little does have some Brandon Marshall to his game, but has been handicapped by the fact that all of his receptions come around the line of scrimmage, with a high number of defenders in the area. His week-to-week ceiling in fantasy has been about 80 receiving yards.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer Dec 7 - 6:56 PM
Mayock doesn't say anywhere in the article that Little is a number 2. Anywhere!!! This is the second time rotoworld has stated people thinking Little is a #2 with nothing backing it up? It's extrmeely irritating. Mayock said Little would benefit from a Wallace or a Green type reciever opposite of him. Well who wouldnt??!! Awful reporting again.
and before i say anything, let me tell you i dont own greg little in fantasy leagues.
this is from today:
After watching tape of Greg Little, NFL Network's Mike Mayock suggested the rookie projects as more of a No. 2, possession-type receiver who would be helped by the addition of a vertical threat opposite him.
"He's very raw, but I think he can develop into a very good NFL receiver," said Mayock, who did concede Little needs to cut down on drops. "He's got good size and straight-line speed. But he certainly would benefit from having a Mike Wallace-type next to him." Little does have some Brandon Marshall to his game, but has been handicapped by the fact that all of his receptions come around the line of scrimmage, with a high number of defenders in the area. His week-to-week ceiling in fantasy has been about 80 receiving yards.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer Dec 7 - 6:56 PM
Mayock doesn't say anywhere in the article that Little is a number 2. Anywhere!!! This is the second time rotoworld has stated people thinking Little is a #2 with nothing backing it up? It's extrmeely irritating. Mayock said Little would benefit from a Wallace or a Green type reciever opposite of him. Well who wouldnt??!! Awful reporting again.
Topes
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awfulness?I know how to pick a nit, but I just don't see where one could get too bunched up about that.While anybody could disagree with Maycock, I just don't find their characterization egregious.
They're kind of obligateded to provide summarization/spin.
They don't say that Maycock says Little is a number 2.
They say that Maycock suggests he projects as a number 2.
The word "suggests" satisfactorily denotes that Maycock does not explicitly state as much.
The word projects mitigates your "Mayock doesn't say anywhere in the article that Little is a number 2"
Hoss_Cartwright
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thehornet
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Mayock doesn't even come close to suggesting that Little is a number 2. I'm sorry but it's awful analysis. Maybe Little will be a WR2 in the NFL, but Mayock definitely does not suggest that here.'Topes said:
While anybody could disagree with Maycock, I just don't find their characterization egregious.
They're kind of obligateded to provide summarization/spin.
They don't say that Maycock says Little is a number 2.
They say that Maycock suggests he projects as a number 2.
The word "suggests" satisfactorily denotes that Maycock does not explicitly state as much.
The word projects mitigates your "Mayock doesn't say anywhere in the article that Little is a number 2"
Their commentary has made me grab Arian Foster, Jordy Nelson, Victor Cruz, Jimmy Graham, Charles Johnson, Colin McCarthy, Perry Riley, and a ####load of other dynasty fantasy players for cheap. I guess I just know how to weed out the unnecessary commentary and mix my own thoughts and opinion with theirs. Just because commentary is true and funny doesn't mean it's offensive. Ocho is a non-factor in fantasy and Asomugha does suck in Philly's system and Roy Williams has been a horrible WR for years and they have been making comments about it for years. You're either Ocho Cinco or you have him stashed on a team.
The only problem I have with them is they tend to lower trade value or raise trade value too easily on certain players.
The only problem I have with them is they tend to lower trade value or raise trade value too easily on certain players.
He suggests that he's a possession receiver which is usually the #2 in most offenses.Mayock doesn't even come close to suggesting that Little is a number 2. I'm sorry but it's awful analysis. Maybe Little will be a WR2 in the NFL, but Mayock definitely does not suggest that here.'Topes said:
While anybody could disagree with Maycock, I just don't find their characterization egregious.
They're kind of obligateded to provide summarization/spin.
They don't say that Maycock says Little is a number 2.
They say that Maycock suggests he projects as a number 2.
The word "suggests" satisfactorily denotes that Maycock does not explicitly state as much.
The word projects mitigates your "Mayock doesn't say anywhere in the article that Little is a number 2"
One of the players they had a hate on for in the preseason was Tarvaris Jackson. Now granted he isn't a very good player nor much of a viable fantasy option but he actually has had a decent season despite playing through a pretty bad pectoral injury. Looks at some of their preseason quips and it is funny now. According to the following analysis you would think Tarvaris Jackson was perhaps the worst starter in NFL history and Charlie Whitehurst was a vast improvement. In reality, Charlie Whitehurst might be one of the worst QB's I have ever seen and Tarvaris Jackson is a serviceable NFL QB .
July 30 - Coach Pete Carroll announced Saturday that Tarvaris Jackson will open camp as the Seahawks' starting quarterback.
Their analysis There will be no competition with Charlie Whitehurst. Jackson's familiarity with Darrell Bevell's offense gives him a built-in edge on Whitehurst, as does his natural talent. Skill aside, though, Jackson has been a next-week flop waiting to happen in the rare instances he's performed admirably as a starter. Bevell will try to get Jackson to play more consistently, but it's doubtful to happen. The Seahawks will vie to pull up the NFC West rear this year.
Aug 5 - Tarvaris Jackson completed 3-of-5 passes for just 13 yards in the Seahawks' preseason opener Thursday night.
Their analysis He hasn't gotten a lick better, and may have gotten worse. Outplayed by Charlie Whitehurst, Jackson showed no touch on short throws and was wildly inaccurate at the intermediate and deep levels. Skittish in the pocket when pressured, Jackson simply has no feel for the position. As much as we like Zach Miller and Sidney Rice as players, T-Jack will kill their fantasy values
Apparently his 5 pass attempts showed a lot that day?!
Aug 15 - Coach Pete Carroll said he is not opening the quarterback position to competition yet.
Their analysis Charlie Whitehurst thoroughly outplayed Tarvaris Jackson in the preseason opener, but Carroll isn't moving off his earlier declaration that T-Jack is his starter. If he remains stubborn, there's a good chance Jackson's woeful inaccuracy and inconsistency will handcuff this entire offense. We're expecting both quarterbacks to make starts this season.
Aug 21 - Tarvaris Jackson completed 11-of-21 passes for 75 yards and an interception in the Seahawks' preseason game against Minnesota.
Their analysis It was vintage Tarvaris, though to be fair the pick came on a Golden Tate drop. Still, it's an underwhelming performance for a player that is not as assured of a starting job as the Seahawks have publicly claimed. Charlie Whitehurst has been far more effective this preseason, and coach Pete Carroll may have to demote Jackson to clipboard duties in order to avoid a locker room/12th man mutiny.
July 30 - Coach Pete Carroll announced Saturday that Tarvaris Jackson will open camp as the Seahawks' starting quarterback.
Their analysis There will be no competition with Charlie Whitehurst. Jackson's familiarity with Darrell Bevell's offense gives him a built-in edge on Whitehurst, as does his natural talent. Skill aside, though, Jackson has been a next-week flop waiting to happen in the rare instances he's performed admirably as a starter. Bevell will try to get Jackson to play more consistently, but it's doubtful to happen. The Seahawks will vie to pull up the NFC West rear this year.
Aug 5 - Tarvaris Jackson completed 3-of-5 passes for just 13 yards in the Seahawks' preseason opener Thursday night.
Their analysis He hasn't gotten a lick better, and may have gotten worse. Outplayed by Charlie Whitehurst, Jackson showed no touch on short throws and was wildly inaccurate at the intermediate and deep levels. Skittish in the pocket when pressured, Jackson simply has no feel for the position. As much as we like Zach Miller and Sidney Rice as players, T-Jack will kill their fantasy values
Apparently his 5 pass attempts showed a lot that day?!
Aug 15 - Coach Pete Carroll said he is not opening the quarterback position to competition yet.
Their analysis Charlie Whitehurst thoroughly outplayed Tarvaris Jackson in the preseason opener, but Carroll isn't moving off his earlier declaration that T-Jack is his starter. If he remains stubborn, there's a good chance Jackson's woeful inaccuracy and inconsistency will handcuff this entire offense. We're expecting both quarterbacks to make starts this season.
Aug 21 - Tarvaris Jackson completed 11-of-21 passes for 75 yards and an interception in the Seahawks' preseason game against Minnesota.
Their analysis It was vintage Tarvaris, though to be fair the pick came on a Golden Tate drop. Still, it's an underwhelming performance for a player that is not as assured of a starting job as the Seahawks have publicly claimed. Charlie Whitehurst has been far more effective this preseason, and coach Pete Carroll may have to demote Jackson to clipboard duties in order to avoid a locker room/12th man mutiny.
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By the way their latest analysis of Tarvaris Jackson
Dec 1 - Tarvaris Jackson completed 13-of-16 passes for 190 yards and a touchdown against the Eagles in Week 13.
Their anaylsis - Jackson was guilty of holding the ball too long on three sacks, but his 137.0 passer rating is evidence of his efficiency in a run-dominant attack. He showed nice touch all night, highlighted by an 11-yard touchdown to Golden Tate in the back of the end zone. Jackson has a friendly matchup against the Rams in Week 14, but the Seahawks figure to ride Marshawn Lynch's hot hand once again
You wouldn't think they are talking about the same player would you?
Dec 1 - Tarvaris Jackson completed 13-of-16 passes for 190 yards and a touchdown against the Eagles in Week 13.
Their anaylsis - Jackson was guilty of holding the ball too long on three sacks, but his 137.0 passer rating is evidence of his efficiency in a run-dominant attack. He showed nice touch all night, highlighted by an 11-yard touchdown to Golden Tate in the back of the end zone. Jackson has a friendly matchup against the Rams in Week 14, but the Seahawks figure to ride Marshawn Lynch's hot hand once again
You wouldn't think they are talking about the same player would you?
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Topes
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"He's very raw, but I think he can develop into a very good NFL receiver," said Mayock, who did concede Little needs to cut down on drops. "He's got good size and straight-line speed. But he certainly would benefit from having a Mike Wallace-type next to him."He certainly seems to "come close to suggesting" that Little may develop into a number 2 receiver. Maycock doesn't say is. Rotoworld doesn't say that Maycock says is.Mayock doesn't even come close to suggesting that Little is a number 2. I'm sorry but it's awful analysis. Maybe Little will be a WR2 in the NFL, but Mayock definitely does not suggest that here.'Topes said:
While anybody could disagree with Maycock, I just don't find their characterization egregious.
They're kind of obligateded to provide summarization/spin.
They don't say that Maycock says Little is a number 2.
They say that Maycock suggests he projects as a number 2.
The word "suggests" satisfactorily denotes that Maycock does not explicitly state as much.
The word projects mitigates your "Mayock doesn't say anywhere in the article that Little is a number 2"
Whether Maycock has a leg to stand on or not is irrelevant. I see nothing egregious in their characterization of his words.
You just fishing here?
careful circumnavigating the filter there topes. unless that's a heckuva typo on mayock's name.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Hey Rotoworld bashers, can you point me to the site that gets all their predictions and analysis correct?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
RW is indeed great at breaking news.
However they are "journalism" but journalism is often nothing more than a business. It's not really professional, anyone can become a journalist, and whatever the journalist writes the editor can change, frame, or direct.
The headline and conclusions - the editorial part vs the reporting part - is often meant to generate readership or hits. they are there to make money. If the headline or analysis are misleading, so be it, it drives readership. In fact sometimes the wronger the better if it leads people to click to the site or buy a paper or change the channel becausde people want to hear what is being said.
What you want is the reporting - the facts, did someone practice, did they get an MRI, what happened on the fumble, etc.
Don't fall for the editorializing, you are just as qualified to reach your own conclusions and the reality is the editorial staff may be compromised on a number of levels. This applies to news of all kinds.
However they are "journalism" but journalism is often nothing more than a business. It's not really professional, anyone can become a journalist, and whatever the journalist writes the editor can change, frame, or direct.
The headline and conclusions - the editorial part vs the reporting part - is often meant to generate readership or hits. they are there to make money. If the headline or analysis are misleading, so be it, it drives readership. In fact sometimes the wronger the better if it leads people to click to the site or buy a paper or change the channel becausde people want to hear what is being said.
What you want is the reporting - the facts, did someone practice, did they get an MRI, what happened on the fumble, etc.
Don't fall for the editorializing, you are just as qualified to reach your own conclusions and the reality is the editorial staff may be compromised on a number of levels. This applies to news of all kinds.
Hey Guys,Please don't do threads like these. If you don't like a service or website, tell them. Please don't use this forum as a place to talk about how much you don't like other sites. And for what it's worth, I think Rotoworld is one an excellent site and do great work. J
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