Roy Hall IND WR (1 Viewer)

[Tillmanisahero]

With his size and speed why hasn't he been more productive in College?

Was it the system? His attitude? Intellect lacking?

How has he looked in camp?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Looking solid in camp..... shhhhh.

Too much talent in front of him at OSU.

Stash him in a dynasty league if you can.

 

[JohnnyU]

Maybe because he wasn't that productive at OSU? Let's see....he had 46 receptions and 511 yds and 3 TDs in 3 years. One could say that he was playing at OSU and couldn't crack the starting lineup, but is still good. Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

 

[Tillmanisahero]

Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

Why do you think that was?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Maybe because he wasn't that productive at OSU? Let's see....he had 46 receptions and 511 yds and 3 TDs in 3 years. One could say that he was playing at OSU and couldn't crack the starting lineup, but is still good. Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

Seems like the reason he was a backup at OSUwas Anthony Gonzalez and Tedd Ginn Jr.Keep an eye on this kid.

 

[JohnnyU]

Maybe because he wasn't that productive at OSU? Let's see....he had 46 receptions and 511 yds and 3 TDs in 3 years. One could say that he was playing at OSU and couldn't crack the starting lineup, but is still good. Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

Seems like the reason he was a backup at OSUwas Anthony Gonzalez and Tedd Ginn Jr.Keep an eye on this kid.

Maybe so, but there are about 5 other WR sleepers I'd rather keep my eye on. It's not like he will ever beat out AG. Harrison is good for another 3 years, so Hall will be on the WW for most of that after the excitement wears off. I can't see anyone carrying Hall for 3 years, only to see him eventually get to be WR #3 in IND. By then someone who looks just like him would have come along.

 

[Bob Henry]

Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

Why do you think that was?

It's a great question. Hall did play behind some noteable guys like Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn and Anthony Gonzalez. Just look at where those three were drafted. Robiskie is a great talent, too.. As to why he didn't do more? I can't answer that. I'll throw some ideas out there though...maybe he was more willing to fill the special teams role and do the smaller things the coaches wanted. Hall was utilized around the goal line, 3rd downs and other key situations, so the coaching staff obviously had trust in him. ..maybe he's just not as talented as those other receivers. That might not be such a bad thing either. It could be a numbers thing. He has great size and speed. His hands, to my knowledge, don't appear to be in question. Otherwise, why would the Buckeyes use him so much in key situations?I think Gonzalez is the better 1-2 year fantasy prospect, but after that, Hall is probably a better value and he could have just as much of a ceiling long-term.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

Why do you think that was?

It's a great question. Hall did play behind some noteable guys like Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn and Anthony Gonzalez. Just look at where those three were drafted. Robiskie is a great talent, too.. As to why he didn't do more? I can't answer that. I'll throw some ideas out there though...maybe he was more willing to fill the special teams role and do the smaller things the coaches wanted. Hall was utilized around the goal line, 3rd downs and other key situations, so the coaching staff obviously had trust in him. ..maybe he's just not as talented as those other receivers. That might not be such a bad thing either. It could be a numbers thing. He has great size and speed. His hands, to my knowledge, don't appear to be in question. Otherwise, why would the Buckeyes use him so much in key situations?I think Gonzalez is the better 1-2 year fantasy prospect, but after that, Hall is probably a better value and he could have just as much of a ceiling long-term.

Bob brings up some great points here that I want to echo:1) Hall was an outstanding special teams player, a big hitter, and a guy that had no problem being very physical.2) Hall had some clutch catches during his days with the BuckeyesHe was behind three first round picks, I wouldn't assume that it was a shortcoming on his part that kept him out of the lineup.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I think we fantasy guys overanalyze college stats. Sometimes, a player's talent and game translates better to the NFL than another player. The Buckeyes had some great WRs during that time and I think we have to give Hall the benefit of the doubt. Also, the "other" WRs on those teams were a better fit for the offense than Hall. He could fail miserably. He could succeed. I do not know. But, I do know that I have confidence in Moore to evaluate the talent and know how to utilize him.

In deep leagues, Hall could definitely be a viable waiver wire pickup.

 

[Tillmanisahero]

I am just puzzled...He is faster that Holmes and nearly as fast as Ginn. He reportedly has good hands and is very physical. I was just wondering if he is a poor route runner or if it is some other problem.

In my experience in trying to predict WR sleepers it often revolves around some mental aspect of the game like route running. Look at Harrison, physically he is nothing special (NFL wise) but yet he will be in the Hall of Fame (Granted the system and Peyton helped...but still)

 

[JohnnyU]

I am just puzzled...He is faster that Holmes and nearly as fast as Ginn. He reportedly has good hands and is very physical. I was just wondering if he is a poor route runner or if it is some other problem.In my experience in trying to predict WR sleepers it often revolves around some mental aspect of the game like route running. Look at Harrison, physically he is nothing special (NFL wise) but yet he will be in the Hall of Fame (Granted the system and Peyton helped...but still)

Harrison would be in the HOF with Chad Pennington at QB.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Maybe because he wasn't that productive at OSU? Let's see....he had 46 receptions and 511 yds and 3 TDs in 3 years. One could say that he was playing at OSU and couldn't crack the starting lineup, but is still good. Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

Seems like the reason he was a backup at OSUwas Anthony Gonzalez and Tedd Ginn Jr.Keep an eye on this kid.

Maybe so, but there are about 5 other WR sleepers I'd rather keep my eye on. It's not like he will ever beat out AG. Harrison is good for another 3 years, so Hall will be on the WW for most of that after the excitement wears off. I can't see anyone carrying Hall for 3 years, only to see him eventually get to be WR #3 in IND. By then someone who looks just like him would have come along.

very shortsighted, imo

Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

Why do you think that was?

It's a great question. Hall did play behind some noteable guys like Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn and Anthony Gonzalez. Just look at where those three were drafted. Robiskie is a great talent, too.. As to why he didn't do more? I can't answer that. I'll throw some ideas out there though...maybe he was more willing to fill the special teams role and do the smaller things the coaches wanted. Hall was utilized around the goal line, 3rd downs and other key situations, so the coaching staff obviously had trust in him. ..maybe he's just not as talented as those other receivers. That might not be such a bad thing either. It could be a numbers thing. He has great size and speed. His hands, to my knowledge, don't appear to be in question. Otherwise, why would the Buckeyes use him so much in key situations?I think Gonzalez is the better 1-2 year fantasy prospect, but after that, Hall is probably a better value and he could have just as much of a ceiling long-term.

 

[Tillmanisahero]

He was behind three first round picks, I wouldn't assume that it was a shortcoming on his part that kept him out of the lineup.

But why was he behind them? He has superior physical tools.

 

[JohnnyU]

Maybe because he wasn't that productive at OSU? Let's see....he had 46 receptions and 511 yds and 3 TDs in 3 years. One could say that he was playing at OSU and couldn't crack the starting lineup, but is still good. Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

Seems like the reason he was a backup at OSUwas Anthony Gonzalez and Tedd Ginn Jr.Keep an eye on this kid.

Maybe so, but there are about 5 other WR sleepers I'd rather keep my eye on. It's not like he will ever beat out AG. Harrison is good for another 3 years, so Hall will be on the WW for most of that after the excitement wears off. I can't see anyone carrying Hall for 3 years, only to see him eventually get to be WR #3 in IND. By then someone who looks just like him would have come along.

very shortsighted, imo

Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

Why do you think that was?

It's a great question. Hall did play behind some noteable guys like Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn and Anthony Gonzalez. Just look at where those three were drafted. Robiskie is a great talent, too.. As to why he didn't do more? I can't answer that. I'll throw some ideas out there though...maybe he was more willing to fill the special teams role and do the smaller things the coaches wanted. Hall was utilized around the goal line, 3rd downs and other key situations, so the coaching staff obviously had trust in him. ..maybe he's just not as talented as those other receivers. That might not be such a bad thing either. It could be a numbers thing. He has great size and speed. His hands, to my knowledge, don't appear to be in question. Otherwise, why would the Buckeyes use him so much in key situations?I think Gonzalez is the better 1-2 year fantasy prospect, but after that, Hall is probably a better value and he could have just as much of a ceiling long-term.

Cool, you think Hall is better than Gonzalez. Do I play in a league with you? There was a guy in MOX 1 that used to call himself Ron Mexico, but that was the catch phrase back then, and even he doesn't call his team that anymore.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Maybe because he wasn't that productive at OSU? Let's see....he had 46 receptions and 511 yds and 3 TDs in 3 years. One could say that he was playing at OSU and couldn't crack the starting lineup, but is still good. Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

Seems like the reason he was a backup at OSUwas Anthony Gonzalez and Tedd Ginn Jr.Keep an eye on this kid.

Maybe so, but there are about 5 other WR sleepers I'd rather keep my eye on. It's not like he will ever beat out AG. Harrison is good for another 3 years, so Hall will be on the WW for most of that after the excitement wears off. I can't see anyone carrying Hall for 3 years, only to see him eventually get to be WR #3 in IND. By then someone who looks just like him would have come along.

very shortsighted, imo :X

Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

Why do you think that was?

It's a great question. Hall did play behind some noteable guys like Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn and Anthony Gonzalez. Just look at where those three were drafted. Robiskie is a great talent, too.. As to why he didn't do more? I can't answer that. I'll throw some ideas out there though...maybe he was more willing to fill the special teams role and do the smaller things the coaches wanted. Hall was utilized around the goal line, 3rd downs and other key situations, so the coaching staff obviously had trust in him. ..maybe he's just not as talented as those other receivers. That might not be such a bad thing either. It could be a numbers thing. He has great size and speed. His hands, to my knowledge, don't appear to be in question. Otherwise, why would the Buckeyes use him so much in key situations?I think Gonzalez is the better 1-2 year fantasy prospect, but after that, Hall is probably a better value and he could have just as much of a ceiling long-term.

Cool, you think Hall is better than Gonzalez. Do I play in a league with you?

Did I say that, I don't think so.You seem to read things into my posts that just aren't there.I would take AG over Hall every day of the week,but if you read my initial post, I view Hall as a nice stashin a dynasty league. He sat behind some very talented WRs,in OSU and I'm not ready to write the kid off before his career even gets started.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

He was behind three first round picks, I wouldn't assume that it was a shortcoming on his part that kept him out of the lineup.

But why was he behind them? He has superior physical tools.

Just because he's bigger and just as fast in a straight line doesnt mean he has superior tools.

 

[Bri]

He was behind three first round picks, I wouldn't assume that it was a shortcoming on his part that kept him out of the lineup.

wouldn't it have to be?

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Well, maybe he was a backup at OSU for a reason.

Why do you think that was?

It's a great question. Hall did play behind some noteable guys like Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn and Anthony Gonzalez. Just look at where those three were drafted. Robiskie is a great talent, too.. As to why he didn't do more? I can't answer that. I'll throw some ideas out there though.

..maybe he was more willing to fill the special teams role and do the smaller things the coaches wanted. Hall was utilized around the goal line, 3rd downs and other key situations, so the coaching staff obviously had trust in him.

..maybe he's just not as talented as those other receivers. That might not be such a bad thing either. It could be a numbers thing. He has great size and speed. His hands, to my knowledge, don't appear to be in question. Otherwise, why would the Buckeyes use him so much in key situations?

I think Gonzalez is the better 1-2 year fantasy prospect, but after that, Hall is probably a better value and he could have just as much of a ceiling long-term.

Bob brings up some great points here that I want to echo:1) Hall was an outstanding special teams player, a big hitter, and a guy that had no problem being very physical.

2) Hall had some clutch catches during his days with the Buckeyes

He was behind three first round picks, I wouldn't assume that it was a shortcoming on his part that kept him out of the lineup.

this does not even include the two left in Columbus, Robiske and Harline, who saw time last year. Both had more catches and yards than Hall. They had some receiver talent last few years.

 

[Tillmanisahero]

He was behind three first round picks, I wouldn't assume that it was a shortcoming on his part that kept him out of the lineup.

But why was he behind them? He has superior physical tools.

Just because he's bigger and just as fast in a straight line doesnt mean he has superior tools.

I am not Roy Hall's agent, I am just trying to find out what his weaknesses are. All I hear about him and read about him are how great he is. Just curious as to why he hasn't been more productive. If he is as great as I have heard, he could be the ankle twist of a 35 year old man away from being the next Colston!

 

[JohnnyU]

Did I say that, I don't think so.You seem to read things into my posts that just aren't there.I would take AG over Hall every day of the week,but if you read my initial post, I view Hall as a nice stashin a dynasty league. He sat behind some very talented WRs,in OSU and I'm not ready to write the kid off before his career even gets started.

OK, then I expect you think that Hall will eventually be playing for a different team? If not, then how could you put much value to Hall playing for the Colts? If you think Gonzalez is better than Hall, then you must surely believe that his best opportunity will be WR #3 for the Colts when Harrison retires, which IMO is several years away. Having said that, I believe the likes of Hall will be on most WW a couple years into the future, so I would rather concentrate on young WRs that can help me sooner.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I'm too lazy to look it up, but wasn't Hall also hurt just before the start of his JR year? I believe he was slated to get more time, but then when he was healthy Ginn and Holmes were lighting it up.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Did I say that, I don't think so.You seem to read things into my posts that just aren't there.I would take AG over Hall every day of the week,but if you read my initial post, I view Hall as a nice stashin a dynasty league. He sat behind some very talented WRs,in OSU and I'm not ready to write the kid off before his career even gets started.

OK, then I expect you think that Hall will eventually be playing for a different team? If not, then how could you put much value to Hall playing for the Colts? If you think Gonzalez is better than Hall, then you must surely believe that his best opportunity will be WR #3 for the Colts when Harrison retires, which IMO is several years away. Having said that, I believe the likes of Hall will be on most WW a couple years into the future, so I would rather concentrate on young WRs that can help me sooner.

So you think having a future WR3 on a team with oneof the most powerful passing attacks in the NFL is a bad thing ?.... and you're a Colts fan too ?? .

 

[JohnnyU]

Did I say that, I don't think so.You seem to read things into my posts that just aren't there.I would take AG over Hall every day of the week,but if you read my initial post, I view Hall as a nice stashin a dynasty league. He sat behind some very talented WRs,in OSU and I'm not ready to write the kid off before his career even gets started.

OK, then I expect you think that Hall will eventually be playing for a different team? If not, then how could you put much value to Hall playing for the Colts? If you think Gonzalez is better than Hall, then you must surely believe that his best opportunity will be WR #3 for the Colts when Harrison retires, which IMO is several years away. Having said that, I believe the likes of Hall will be on most WW a couple years into the future, so I would rather concentrate on young WRs that can help me sooner.

So you think having a future WR3 on a team with oneof the most powerful passing attacks in the NFL is a bad thing ?.... and you're a Colts fan too ?? .

No, but I do think he is a short-term future WR #4 on a great passing team, so I can concentrate my efforts elsewhere until most folks forget about Roy Hall. I'm the type of guy who gets the Roy Hall's at the right time, and now isn't that time. Having a Colts future #3 that won't happen for at least 3 years is not worth a roster spot IMO. Now I will say that should injury beset the Colts WR core, then yes, Hall becomes just as valuable as Gonzalez is now.

 

[BoltBacker]

Did I say that, I don't think so.You seem to read things into my posts that just aren't there.I would take AG over Hall every day of the week,but if you read my initial post, I view Hall as a nice stashin a dynasty league. He sat behind some very talented WRs,in OSU and I'm not ready to write the kid off before his career even gets started.

OK, then I expect you think that Hall will eventually be playing for a different team? If not, then how could you put much value to Hall playing for the Colts? If you think Gonzalez is better than Hall, then you must surely believe that his best opportunity will be WR #3 for the Colts when Harrison retires, which IMO is several years away. Having said that, I believe the likes of Hall will be on most WW a couple years into the future, so I would rather concentrate on young WRs that can help me sooner.

Maybe he's just less than convinced in your statement; "Harrison is good for another three years". He'll be 38 before the season starts. You don't see him slowing down until the age of 41???? I remember last year when everyone said "Rod Smith produced in '05 just fine, no reason to think he can't in '06". And Jerry Rice. And Tim Brown. Andre Reed. Art Monk. Right up until the year they drop off signifigantly. It catches up with all of them. Usually before the age of 41.

 

[Tillmanisahero]

Did I say that, I don't think so.You seem to read things into my posts that just aren't there.I would take AG over Hall every day of the week,but if you read my initial post, I view Hall as a nice stashin a dynasty league. He sat behind some very talented WRs,in OSU and I'm not ready to write the kid off before his career even gets started.

OK, then I expect you think that Hall will eventually be playing for a different team? If not, then how could you put much value to Hall playing for the Colts? If you think Gonzalez is better than Hall, then you must surely believe that his best opportunity will be WR #3 for the Colts when Harrison retires, which IMO is several years away. Having said that, I believe the likes of Hall will be on most WW a couple years into the future, so I would rather concentrate on young WRs that can help me sooner.

Maybe he's just less than convinced in your statement; "Harrison is good for another three years". He'll be 38 before the season starts. You don't see him slowing down until the age of 41???? I remember last year when everyone said "Rod Smith produced in '05 just fine, no reason to think he can't in '06". And Jerry Rice. And Tim Brown. Andre Reed. Art Monk. Right up until the year they drop off signifigantly. It catches up with all of them. Usually before the age of 41.

Harrison will be 35 when the season starts.......

 

[identikit]

Did I say that, I don't think so.

You seem to read things into my posts that just aren't there.

I would take AG over Hall every day of the week,

but if you read my initial post, I view Hall as a nice stash

in a dynasty league. He sat behind some very talented WRs,

in OSU and I'm not ready to write the kid off before

his career even gets started.

OK, then I expect you think that Hall will eventually be playing for a different team? If not, then how could you put much value to Hall playing for the Colts? If you think Gonzalez is better than Hall, then you must surely believe that his best opportunity will be WR #3 for the Colts when Harrison retires, which IMO is several years away. Having said that, I believe the likes of Hall will be on most WW a couple years into the future, so I would rather concentrate on young WRs that can help me sooner.

Maybe he's just less than convinced in your statement; "Harrison is good for another three years". He'll be 38 before the season starts. You don't see him slowing down until the age of 41???? I remember last year when everyone said "Rod Smith produced in '05 just fine, no reason to think he can't in '06". And Jerry Rice. And Tim Brown. Andre Reed. Art Monk. Right up until the year they drop off signifigantly. It catches up with all of them. Usually before the age of 41.

Actually, he'll be 35 before the season starts (Born: 8/25/1972)Id

 

[JohnnyU]

Did I say that, I don't think so.You seem to read things into my posts that just aren't there.I would take AG over Hall every day of the week,but if you read my initial post, I view Hall as a nice stashin a dynasty league. He sat behind some very talented WRs,in OSU and I'm not ready to write the kid off before his career even gets started.

OK, then I expect you think that Hall will eventually be playing for a different team? If not, then how could you put much value to Hall playing for the Colts? If you think Gonzalez is better than Hall, then you must surely believe that his best opportunity will be WR #3 for the Colts when Harrison retires, which IMO is several years away. Having said that, I believe the likes of Hall will be on most WW a couple years into the future, so I would rather concentrate on young WRs that can help me sooner.

Maybe he's just less than convinced in your statement; "Harrison is good for another three years". He'll be 38 before the season starts. You don't see him slowing down until the age of 41???? I remember last year when everyone said "Rod Smith produced in '05 just fine, no reason to think he can't in '06". And Jerry Rice. And Tim Brown. Andre Reed. Art Monk. Right up until the year they drop off signifigantly. It catches up with all of them. Usually before the age of 41.

Marvin Harrison is one of the best I've ever seen at avoiding contact. Anyone who knows anything about Harrison knows that. Plus the guy is as limber as a rubber band. Now he may choose to retire soon, so that's a different story, and Hall may play into the picture before 3 years. However, that doesn't mean that the Colts won't have another one who looks just like Hall and better waiting in a couple years. So, IMO he isn't worth a roster spot unless your dynasty league has at least 26 roster spots. Anything less is not wise IMO. I believe Harrison will play another 3 years, which makes him 38.

 

[BoltBacker]

Did I say that, I don't think so.

You seem to read things into my posts that just aren't there.

I would take AG over Hall every day of the week,

but if you read my initial post, I view Hall as a nice stash

in a dynasty league. He sat behind some very talented WRs,

in OSU and I'm not ready to write the kid off before

his career even gets started.

OK, then I expect you think that Hall will eventually be playing for a different team? If not, then how could you put much value to Hall playing for the Colts? If you think Gonzalez is better than Hall, then you must surely believe that his best opportunity will be WR #3 for the Colts when Harrison retires, which IMO is several years away. Having said that, I believe the likes of Hall will be on most WW a couple years into the future, so I would rather concentrate on young WRs that can help me sooner.

Maybe he's just less than convinced in your statement; "Harrison is good for another three years". He'll be 38 before the season starts. You don't see him slowing down until the age of 41???? I remember last year when everyone said "Rod Smith produced in '05 just fine, no reason to think he can't in '06". And Jerry Rice. And Tim Brown. Andre Reed. Art Monk. Right up until the year they drop off signifigantly. It catches up with all of them. Usually before the age of 41.

Actually, he'll be 35 before the season starts (Born: 8/25/1972)Id

Wow, I was honestly SURE that guy was 38!? Sorry about that, thanks for the catch guys. My bad.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I think we fantasy guys overanalyze college stats.

 

[djcolts]

He's an intriguing long-term prospect, but right now he seems really raw and his hands need to improve. I just hope he contributes big on special teams this year - that is where the Colts need help.

 

[Bojang0301]

Anyone knows how he has been in camp. If he does well on special teams he'll stick and I think a physically talent WR #4 on the Colts is better than some of the other things people keep out there.

 

[redman]

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