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Roy Helu RB Washington Redskins (1 Viewer)
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destro
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^^^ This is what I meant by "ADHD" approach. Sure, the starter will get the bulk of the carries, and he doesn't spread carries much during the actual game like other coaches. The problem is that he can change his mind on who that bell cow is at the drop of a hat. How many times have you seen guys carrying three Broncos or Skins RBs because of Shanahan's monkey business?How many times have you thought you knew who Shanny's starter was, only to find out some scrub that only FBG-types have ever heard of has somehow caught Shanny's eye and is suddenly the favorite to start? Remember Quentin Griffin? Mike Bell? Torain in Denver?If anyone is going to draft a RB late and start him over more established options, its Shanahan. It is an argument in favor of Helu possibly being Shanahan's current "guy."Fanatic is right, though, in that he can change his mind quickly on who "the guy" is.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
How Shanahan has handled Haynesworth has absolutely no relevance to this thread. And fwiw, Helu is a high character kid and an extremely hard worker who will do whatever the coaches ask him to do.
This is complete nonsense. If Torain outperforms Helu (and Royster and the other rb's), he'll get the starting job because he's the best back.
Agreed. And why is this a problem? Shanahan is going to start the rb who he thinks gives the team the best chance to win. If that guy happens to be an UDFA, so be it. He doesn't favor players based on how high they were drafted, and that's a good thing.
I'll reiterate what I said in my last post: Whoever wins the starting rb job, whether it be Torain, Helu, Royster, or someone else, will be the bell cow and will continue to hold the starting job until they're injured or they start underperforming (i.e. fumbling, making horrible decisions, etc.).Some coaches will stick with a rb that has fumbling issues. Shanahan isn't one of those guys.Shanahan compared Helu to Portis and told Royster he reminds him of TD. If either of these rookies come close to replicating either of those guys' production, then I'm pretty sure he'll have a strong allegience to them. The bottom line is Helu is a high risk high reward pick in a dynasty format. I've seen every game Helu played at Nebraska (including all of his home games live) and I've written my opinions on him in the original Helu thread and a little in the Redskins thread.On the positive side, Washington's offense is a perfect fit for his running style.On the negative side, I have major concerns about his durability and thus his ability to be a bell cow. (as I've detailed in the other threads). Pass pro is a concern, like it is for every rookie rb, but it's not like Torain is any great shakes at pass pro either.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
He looks fast and elusive. He broke zero tackles though, with washingtons line I don't see a good fit. He would need Dallas of the nineties like to not bust.
Wierd, after watching highlights you think he is going to bust, who would have guessed?
Actually, i have him at 50/50 chance of succeeding, at best, but that makes him worth a late first round rookie pick.
Plus, i give Torain less than a 10% chance of being a starting RB in the league 18 months from now, so someone has to emerge in Washington. I would roll the dice on Royster late in a rookie draft, especialy if i took Helu early.
gianmarco
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foxco
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He breaks a couple in that vid. 1:36, 1:48
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Funny thing is I have no faith in helu but when I do my Zealots draft I might pm you with a "who do I pick" and if you tell me helu I will pick him up. I've seen your teams and your talent evaluation is better than mine when it comes to running backs.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Hey Multiple Scores --- it would be really nice if you would post below the previous posts like everyone else does. You make these threads hard to follow when you are the only one posting up above. If I say pretty please?
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Couch Potato
Footballguy
OK, iPhone issue... I wondered why... not the biggest deal in the world either way.
If its anything like the Droid, then you have to higlight the post and touch the cursor to the bottom of quote.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Best I think I can do is select all, cut, then type my post, paste.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
You give a 3rd rounder a 50/50 chance of succeeding who has never played a down and a guy with a 4.5 YPC as having a 10% chance of being a starter? Interesting...'Go deep said:
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
4th rounder actually.
4th/5th round rbs have a 91% bust rate, not sure helu is the best bet of all the rbs drafted there, I'd personally bet on jaquizz.
4th/5th round rbs have a 91% bust rate, not sure helu is the best bet of all the rbs drafted there, I'd personally bet on jaquizz.
Yes, i give Helu at 50/50 shot at succeeding because i think he is the best RB on the Redskins roster. Thats not to say i think he will be starting for the next 5 plus years, but i like him for this season, and maybe more. I also said there is a 10% chance that Torain will be a starting RB in the NFL 18 months from now. Do you think Torain will be starting somewhere in the 2012 season, Would you give me even money on a montetary wager?
TheFanatic
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No, I wouldn't give you even money on that. I don't think it's a 50/50 deal. I think it's better than 10% and I think that Helu is not a 50-50 prospect. I actually see them as just about even. My point was that you give a guy who has never carried the ball in the NFL a 50/50 chance when in Torain's rookie season (2008 and 2009 were not even a cup of coffee in the league due to injury) he had really solid numbers. It screams homerism to me, but that's just my take. No big deal.
fatness
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Torain is usually injured for multiple games, so during those games someone else will be starting for certain.
Todem
Footballguy
I took a shot on this kid with the 2.6 pick in a 10 team dynasty rookie draft.
Well worth the risk at that spot for sure. I also have Torain on the roster. I was not very impressed with him. I watched him plenty and yeah he moved the chains...but has zero big play ability. I think the hope is Helu comes in, fit's the system (one cut and go ala Arian Foster, Clinton Portis etc). I trust Shanny's eye for backs who fit his system. He has hit and miss.....hopefully he hit on this one.
I don't think he is worth the risk with the first 9-10 picks in any rookie draft but after pick 10....well worth a shot.
Well worth the risk at that spot for sure. I also have Torain on the roster. I was not very impressed with him. I watched him plenty and yeah he moved the chains...but has zero big play ability. I think the hope is Helu comes in, fit's the system (one cut and go ala Arian Foster, Clinton Portis etc). I trust Shanny's eye for backs who fit his system. He has hit and miss.....hopefully he hit on this one.
I don't think he is worth the risk with the first 9-10 picks in any rookie draft but after pick 10....well worth a shot.
loose circuits
Footballguy
assuming top 8 of Ryan W, Baldwin, Little, Leshoure, Thomas. Who are the other 2 guys worthy of going before Helu? WR's Hankerson, Torrey Smith, CobbWhat other RB's Vereen, Carter?, Murray?, Hunter?Seems to me like he belongs at the top of this tier cause he has easiest path to playing time except for Hankerson who has John Beck.I liked Helu as much as those guys before the draft so I took him at 9 & 10 in both my drafts. was hoping for vereen since I owned BGE in the 2nd one, but he went at 1.09
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Remember you are ALSO the guy with Maroney in your avatar... that turned out right.What don't you see in him? Remember I was the guy who liked McFadden, that turned out right.
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Todem
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
Sorry to tease, but last night I found a small treasure trove of video from Helu's 2008 and 2009 seasons before he had to share the backfield with Martinez and Burkhead, and WOW. I forgot how good that kid was as the bellcow. I'm going to try to update the Roy Helu 2010 video to include this earlier footage, but it may take a few days. On the off chance that any of you Husker fans have game DVDs of the 2008 or 2009 seasons, I would do dirty things to borrow them for a bit. Most of the clips I have are the awful endzone footage that UNL likes to release. 
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
FBG had him top25 this week last I looked. Torrain down around 40.
What's everyone's thoughts about Helu this weekend? How about in 2-3 weeks? Weeks 14-16?
I'm torn because it is Shanny but he might want to start playing some of the younger guys. This season is going down the tubes fast, they have been decimated by injury the last week or two.
I am concerned the OL has no depth and will be a liability no matter who is running the ball.
What's everyone's thoughts about Helu this weekend? How about in 2-3 weeks? Weeks 14-16?
I'm torn because it is Shanny but he might want to start playing some of the younger guys. This season is going down the tubes fast, they have been decimated by injury the last week or two.
I am concerned the OL has no depth and will be a liability no matter who is running the ball.
Islanders rule
Footballguy
Hey MOP,
With Hightower and Moss out, Davis, Torain and Helu should get many touches. Gaffney & Armstrong will get theirs as well. Beck is interesting.
I tried to get Helu off waivers but didn't, I got Delone Carter.
I'm in Denver, when Shanny & Torain were here, Torain was always battling injury (he runs upright) but Shanny would play him anyway. I think Helu will be huge in this offense going forward as a solid RB2/3
Torain cannot carry a full load of anything!
With Hightower and Moss out, Davis, Torain and Helu should get many touches. Gaffney & Armstrong will get theirs as well. Beck is interesting.
I tried to get Helu off waivers but didn't, I got Delone Carter.
I'm in Denver, when Shanny & Torain were here, Torain was always battling injury (he runs upright) but Shanny would play him anyway. I think Helu will be huge in this offense going forward as a solid RB2/3
Torain cannot carry a full load of anything!
Bloom has it the other way around with Torain getting approx. 2/3 the carries FYI.Personally, I just picked him up on WW after THT injury on off-chance a clear starter emerges over the next few weeks...too much risk to start w/o at least two games of a solid trendline IMO. And even then...
Islanders rule
Footballguy
Bloom's projections are based on Torain being healthy. Those projections will change !!
Link to Torain injury news?
Ladsud
Footballguy
As expected we wont know who is starting.
https://twitter.com/#!/granthpaulsen/statuses/129630581679075329
https://twitter.com/#!/granthpaulsen/statuses/129630581679075329
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Redskins OC Kyle Shanahan refused to name a starting running back when pressed on Thursday.
Ryan Torain is considered the favorite to handle early-down carries, but the backfield snaps are going to be determined by game momentum. Last week's playing time suggests Roy Helu will be on the field on obvious passing downs, which leaves Torain sidelined whenever the Redskins are in catch-up mode. Both backs will be risky for fantasy purposes.Source: Grant Paulsen on TwitterOct 27 - 2:58 PM
Ryan Torain is considered the favorite to handle early-down carries, but the backfield snaps are going to be determined by game momentum. Last week's playing time suggests Roy Helu will be on the field on obvious passing downs, which leaves Torain sidelined whenever the Redskins are in catch-up mode. Both backs will be risky for fantasy purposes.Source: Grant Paulsen on TwitterOct 27 - 2:58 PM
jimmyd9989
Footballguy
I want to be the first (on here anyway) to predict that Helu will get the majority of carries this weekend and be a rock solid RB2 going forward. The guy was drafted by Shannahan and has played well when given the opportunity. They proved that last week when Torain did nearly nothing and Helu was on the field half of the game. I'm predicting Helu gets 12 carries and 5 rec this weekend against Buffalo next to Torain's 8 Carries and 0 rec. Why not put the ball in the hands of a back with fresher legs with arguably a better skills set? I traded for Helu in my 16 team redraft league and banking on him after being disappointed with both McFadden and Mendenhall right now
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Actually, Torain would be the guy with fresher legs based on both of these guys workload last week.Personally, after watching him for 4 seasons at Nebraska, I think it's highly unlikely that Helu holds up physically the rest of the season if they give him the full workload like they have been doing with Hightower (when healthy) and did with Torain against the Rams.
My best guess in Toronto is that Torain starts and Helu sees action early. If Torain is ineffective early on then I can definitely see Shanahan primarily riding Helu for the rest of the game.
If Helu is the starter, I think he's going to get the full workload, unless he starts coughing up the pill.
(Also don't know why you would be disappointed with DMac who has been a complete stud this year until last week when he sprained his foot early.)
jimmyd9989
Footballguy
I've been disappointed with McFadden because I only obtained him 3 weeks ago (before his 50 yard game against Houston). He's had 21 points for me over the past 3 weeks, not elite RB1 numbers since I got him. I traded Gore for Mendenhall, as I assumed at that point that he was done with an ankle injury and Kendall Hunter was going to step up. 16 team league btw
jimmyd9989
Footballguy
And on Helu, when talking about fresher legs I mean the guy who hasn't torn his ACL
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
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<a href="http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=620540&st=0#entry13735475"><a href="http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=620540&st=0#entry13735475">Helu will carry the lode going fwd as per this blog</a></a><br><div><br></div><div>great analysis of snap counts from CAR game.</div>
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Hoss_Cartwright
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Even if Helu makes a splash, how long do you think he treads water before Shanny says, "Hey Roy, please hold this 100 lb bolder"?
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identikit
Footballguy
Awesome post.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Thank you mcintyre1 for the film. I hadn't really had a chance to watch Helu carefully.
If I had to compare him to someone, it is Garrison Hearst. Good feet, better than average speed, good hands out of the backfield. He has been playing on passing downs, so I am assuming his pass blocking/blitz pick-up skills are better than average.
This guy could easily turn out to be very good in the right system. Very different from Torain. I like the idea that Shanny can plug and play either. I would guess that this would be a week where Helu would give him the best advantage against the Bills LBs.
But as always, we shall see.
If I had to compare him to someone, it is Garrison Hearst. Good feet, better than average speed, good hands out of the backfield. He has been playing on passing downs, so I am assuming his pass blocking/blitz pick-up skills are better than average.
This guy could easily turn out to be very good in the right system. Very different from Torain. I like the idea that Shanny can plug and play either. I would guess that this would be a week where Helu would give him the best advantage against the Bills LBs.
But as always, we shall see.
