Roy Williams Horse Collar (1 Viewer)

[uconnalum]

During the 2004 season, several offensive players were sidelined after being horse-collared: Titans wide receiver Tyrone Calico (sprained knees), Ravens running backs Jamal Lewis (sprained ankle) and Musa Smith (compound fracture of the right tibia), and Eagles receiver Terrell Owens (fractured right fibula and torn ligaments). All were brought down by Williams.

 

[Tyrion]

They need to penalize it in college also so when they get into the NFL they are not tempted to use it as a means to tackle an opponent. If you look at film of Roy W. back at Texas a majority of his tackles were of the horse collar variety.I also agree when will Lynch stop leading with his helmet. Will he be the first one ejected with the new rule in effect.

I know you're on a roll and all, but I don't think Roy Williams the receiver had more than 3 or 4 tackles at the University of Texas. Most of them probably came on Chris Simms interceptions. Since you're a film expert, I'll leave that up to you. Let me know when you get to the tape on Roy Williams' time as a safety at Oklahoma.

Maybe he meant when Roy played Texas? I know that he got alot of tackles then so some may have been of the horse collar variety. Also the college game seems to be less protective of their players. Probably something to do with multi million dollar signing bonuses in the NFL.

 

[GroveDiesel]

hate to break it to you, but its not being enforced.

look for the rule commitee to trash the rule this offseason.

if you think being tackled from behind like that is a dirty play, you never put any pads on.

We'll see when those fines get handed out this week if it's getting enforced or not. A majority of the time I see it, it gets called. It won't be scrapped, Roy will get nailed for it by Goodell and they'll empahsize it. I suppose we should bring back chop blocks, clotheslines, legalize facemasks etc... It's a dangerous play the way it's worded. Geting pulled down from behind isn't necessarily dirty, but having someones entire weight thrown on you while being dragged down is.

if it was dirty, it would be illegal 100% of the time. the nfl knows they have to put rules like this to portray the image that player safety is their #1 priority.

A horse collar is illegal 100% of the time.

incorrecthorse collars are illegal only OUTSIDE of the tackles buddy.

you may want to re-read the rule.

or you can just pound sand

WRONG! Maybe YOU'D like to go ahead and re-read the rule and get back to us on what you find.

 

[bentley]

They need to penalize it in college also so when they get into the NFL they are not tempted to use it as a means to tackle an opponent. If you look at film of Roy W. back at Texas a majority of his tackles were of the horse collar variety.I also agree when will Lynch stop leading with his helmet. Will he be the first one ejected with the new rule in effect.

I know you're on a roll and all, but I don't think Roy Williams the receiver had more than 3 or 4 tackles at the University of Texas. Most of them probably came on Chris Simms interceptions. Since you're a film expert, I'll leave that up to you. Let me know when you get to the tape on Roy Williams' time as a safety at Oklahoma.

Maybe he meant when Roy played Texas? I know that he got alot of tackles then so some may have been of the horse collar variety. Also the college game seems to be less protective of their players. Probably something to do with multi million dollar signing bonuses in the NFL.

I think he's just going to ignore the fact that he pulled out the pseudo-football nerd card and was called out on it. Roy Williams wasn't a horse collarer at OU, and I saw them thrash Texas enough times to know. It's something he's added to his repertoire in the NFL because his speed deficiencies have been exposed in the league in a way that wasn't the case in college.

 

[Tyrion]

During the 2004 season, several offensive players were sidelined after being horse-collared: Titans wide receiver Tyrone Calico (sprained knees), Ravens running backs Jamal Lewis (sprained ankle) and Musa Smith (compound fracture of the right tibia), and Eagles receiver Terrell Owens (fractured right fibula and torn ligaments). All were brought down by Williams.

That was a very good year for Roy. I like to think that the injury to TO helped a little to keep Philly from winning the Superbowl that season. I remember when Warren Sapp took out Jerry Rice and Steve Young in one game.

 

[TwinTurbo]

The first part of the horse collar tackle really isn't the problem. It's the second part when Roy hangs on and swings his lower body into the offensive player's legs. It's a dirty, dangerous play and he does it at least once every game. Fines are not working, so I'm not sure how to stop it other than have some big name players draw major attention to this fraud on national TV and the press. Or have somebody step up and retaliate on the field.

 

[monkeysee]

There's really no reason for him to stop doing it because the refs NEVER penalize him for it! I'm wondering why the league made the new rule if they weren't planning to enforce it.

I am betting you don't understand how the rule is interpreted. The Toomer play was not a horse collar tackle. As usual you are typing out of your ###.

 

[Tyrion]

The first part of the horse collar tackle really isn't the problem. It's the second part when Roy hangs on and swings his lower body into the offensive player's legs. It's a dirty, dangerous play and he does it at least once every game. Fines are not working, so I'm not sure how to stop it other than have some big name players draw major attention to this fraud on national TV and the press. Or have somebody step up and retaliate on the field.

There was a recent poll given to NFL players for them to rank the dirtiest players in the league. (Was it SI? Not sure but it was this season.) The funny thing was that Roy Williams didn't even make the list. I think this is a bigger deal with FFB fans than it is with the players.

 

[GrossmanToHester]

You guys are pretty cool.

 

[mr. furley]

During the 2004 season, several offensive players were sidelined after being horse-collared: Titans wide receiver Tyrone Calico (sprained knees), Ravens running backs Jamal Lewis (sprained ankle) and Musa Smith (compound fracture of the right tibia), and Eagles receiver Terrell Owens (fractured right fibula and torn ligaments). All were brought down by Williams.

can anyone verify this?

 

[monkeysee]

The first part of the horse collar tackle really isn't the problem. It's the second part when Roy hangs on and swings his lower body into the offensive player's legs. It's a dirty, dangerous play and he does it at least once every game . Fines are not working, so I'm not sure how to stop it other than have some big name players draw major attention to this fraud on national TV and the press. Or have somebody step up and retaliate on the field.

 

[Tyrion]

The first part of the horse collar tackle really isn't the problem. It's the second part when Roy hangs on and swings his lower body into the offensive player's legs. It's a dirty, dangerous play and he does it at least once every game. Fines are not working, so I'm not sure how to stop it other than have some big name players draw major attention to this fraud on national TV and the press. Or have somebody step up and retaliate on the field.

There was a recent poll given to NFL players for them to rank the dirtiest players in the league. (Was it SI? Not sure but it was this season.) The funny thing was that Roy Williams didn't even make the list. I think this is a bigger deal with FFB fans than it is with the players.

It was SI.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/play...0/17/poll.1017/

EDIT

My mistake that was from last year. I will look and see if I can find this years. Of course Roy was using the Horse collar then as well and was not on the list.

 

[GroveDiesel]

horse collars are illegal only OUTSIDE of the tackles buddy.

you may want to re-read the rule.

or you can just pound sand

WRONG! Maybe YOU'D like to go ahead and re-read the rule and get back to us on what you find.

Since I'm not sure that you'll go and actually check it, the rule allows the horsecollar tackle when it occurs near the line of scrimmage or when the defender releases the pads/jersey before he takes him all the way to the ground. The tackles have nothing to do with it.It's illegal if it happens in the open field and the defender takes the player down to the ground by the back of the pads or the jersey near the top of the pads.

 

[Tyrion]

During the 2004 season, several offensive players were sidelined after being horse-collared: Titans wide receiver Tyrone Calico (sprained knees), Ravens running backs Jamal Lewis (sprained ankle) and Musa Smith (compound fracture of the right tibia), and Eagles receiver Terrell Owens (fractured right fibula and torn ligaments). All were brought down by Williams.

can anyone verify this?

Can't verify it but I remember it happening. Think Calico's were actually two torn ACLs but not positive. I had Calico as a rookie Keeper and man was I pissed at Fisher for calling that play.

 

[TwinTurbo]

The first part of the horse collar tackle really isn't the problem. It's the second part when Roy hangs on and swings his lower body into the offensive player's legs. It's a dirty, dangerous play and he does it at least once every game . Fines are not working, so I'm not sure how to stop it other than have some big name players draw major attention to this fraud on national TV and the press. Or have somebody step up and retaliate on the field.

I haven't watched every Boys game this year, but I've seen a handful and he's done it in every one including today.

 

[Tyrion]

Someone call the police. Merriman just horse collared Addai and it wasn't called!

 

[big0mar]

horse collars are illegal only OUTSIDE of the tackles buddy.

you may want to re-read the rule.

or you can just pound sand

WRONG! Maybe YOU'D like to go ahead and re-read the rule and get back to us on what you find.

Since I'm not sure that you'll go and actually check it, the rule allows the horsecollar tackle when it occurs near the line of scrimmage or when the defender releases the pads/jersey before he takes him all the way to the ground. The tackles have nothing to do with it.It's illegal if it happens in the open field and the defender takes the player down to the ground by the back of the pads or the jersey near the top of the pads.

" All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside collar of the back of the shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling down the runner. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket . Previously, the “horse-collar” tackle rule did not include the back of the shoulder pads or jersey. This increases the scope of the rule. "wow. whoever the joker is who said it did apply between the tackles needs to come and explain why he is blatantly posting incorrect NFL rules.

 

[big0mar]

horse collars are illegal only OUTSIDE of the tackles buddy.

you may want to re-read the rule.

or you can just pound sand

WRONG! Maybe YOU'D like to go ahead and re-read the rule and get back to us on what you find.

Since I'm not sure that you'll go and actually check it, the rule allows the horsecollar tackle when it occurs near the line of scrimmage or when the defender releases the pads/jersey before he takes him all the way to the ground. The tackles have nothing to do with it.It's illegal if it happens in the open field and the defender takes the player down to the ground by the back of the pads or the jersey near the top of the pads.

" All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside collar of the back of the shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling down the runner. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket . Previously, the “horse-collar” tackle rule did not include the back of the shoulder pads or jersey. This increases the scope of the rule. "wow. whoever the joker is who said it did apply between the tackles needs to come and explain why he is blatantly posting incorrect NFL rules.

come back and eat your crow

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Can we all just agree that we hate the horse trailer more than the horse collar?

 

[big0mar]

bump

 

[GroveDiesel]

horse collars are illegal only OUTSIDE of the tackles buddy.

you may want to re-read the rule.

or you can just pound sand

WRONG! Maybe YOU'D like to go ahead and re-read the rule and get back to us on what you find.

Since I'm not sure that you'll go and actually check it, the rule allows the horsecollar tackle when it occurs near the line of scrimmage or when the defender releases the pads/jersey before he takes him all the way to the ground. The tackles have nothing to do with it.It's illegal if it happens in the open field and the defender takes the player down to the ground by the back of the pads or the jersey near the top of the pads.

" All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside collar of the back of the shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling down the runner. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket . Previously, the “horse-collar” tackle rule did not include the back of the shoulder pads or jersey. This increases the scope of the rule. "wow. whoever the joker is who said it did apply between the tackles needs to come and explain why he is blatantly posting incorrect NFL rules.

come back and eat your crow

Inside the tackle box and between the tackles isn't even close to being the same thing. Nice try though. Between the tackles means that the rule wouldn't apply down the field if it was outside the tackles, and that's not the rule. As I said, the rule applies in the open field. The only reason that it applies in the tackle box is because it's near the line of scrimmage, like the rule says.

 

[Shrek]

Ironic that they institute a rule because of this guy, then he's the only one who seems to never have it called against him.

He's already been fined for it twice this year and warned that another one could lead to a suspension. And I believe he leads the league in HC calls against him this year. So, uh, you're a little off. I didn't see this one but the refs missed a big one against Jacobs earlier, not Williams though a fifty-something number.

News to me. I've watched a lot of Dallas games this year, too. Is he only getting fined after the game, and not actually getting flagged for it in-game? I've seen him do it several times and not get flagged. It's like it's the only way he knows how to tackle.

 

[t_gunslinger]

I'll admit that RW is not a good S, but I love to see him snatch up a WR

With that said there is no better 3-5 D in the leauge

All of you that are haters find something better to ##### about.

 

[SR388]

You guys are idiots and haters.

Does Roy Williams suck in coverage, like most safeties, yes. If they were better in coverage, they would be corners. Name another safety in the league that can shut down Shockey one on one.

Roy is a LB playing safety. They don't have him back there to cover, they have him back there to lay the wood. Brandon Jacobs got ooooo'ed in his own stadium when Roy brought the wood.

And this horse collar thing is ridiculous. It's only a penalty when you grab the collar and then drop all your weight on their legs. You're not going to get a call for a defender grabbing and pulling down the player from behind.

Oh, and cry more Giants fans. The only dirty players on the field yesterday, were the Giants. Well that and Brandon Jacobs flop/poor acting.