Rudi at 1.06 (1 Viewer)

[Vicktimized]

While I think Rudi's a very sound choice, I think people kinda jump the gun when they say he is incredibly low risk. Chris Perry is very talented...what if Rudi gets sidelined for a bit and Perry shines for 2 games or so? As we've seen before, in those cases coaches often love to 'reward' the 2nd rb by going to a form of RBBC.....and since Rudi doesn't catch the ball, dropping to even a 60-40 split with Perry could be devestating.

Cadillac and Ronnie Brown are slightly less proven, and more of an injury risk....but they don't have vultures like Perry to worry about. 2 games missed for Brown is just that....but for Rudi? Could make him into a glorified Julius Jones 05......

 

[packersfan]

While I think Rudi's a very sound choice, I think people kinda jump the gun when they say he is incredibly low risk. Chris Perry is very talented...what if Rudi gets sidelined for a bit and Perry shines for 2 games or so? As we've seen before, in those cases coaches often love to 'reward' the 2nd rb by going to a form of RBBC.....and since Rudi doesn't catch the ball, dropping to even a 60-40 split with Perry could be devestating.

Anything can happen but I would prefer to speculate based on what we've clearly seen happen already. To whit: Rudi has proven to be very durable. If you're going to be wary of a RB under the "What if he gets hurt" scenario than no RB in the league is safe since all of them could get hurt. Secondly, Perry has yet to prove he can stay healthy for an entire season. Third, as shown above, Perry has not proven to be a threat in terms of vulturing goal-line scores - a critical element IMO when evaluating RB production and potential. Despite Perry's emergence last season, Rudi still remained the primary ballcarrier and he still put up terrific numbers. What would prompt the Bengals to shift away from what's clearly proven to work?

Cadillac and Ronnie Brown are slightly less proven, and more of an injury risk....but they don't have vultures like Perry to worry about. 2 games missed for Brown is just that....but for Rudi? Could make him into a glorified Julius Jones 05......

Brown doesn't but Cadillac still has Pittman and Alstott as well. Like Rudi, Cadillac isn't a good receiver whereas Brown is pretty much a lock to be an every-down threat. The differences I see between these three are durability issues and Rudi being on a much more potent offense than either Williams or Brown. I'll take Rudi over both of them. The debate I'm having is whether I want to take Rudi over Steven Jackson, who I believe could blow up in a big way this year. But admittedly, if I go for Jackson I'll be doing so with the hope of upside paying off while realizing that I'm passing on the safer choice who could prove to be the better choice. And in the first round, that's not a place where you want to make the wrong call.

 

[The Jerk]

Anything can happen but I would prefer to speculate based on what we've clearly seen happen already. To whit: Rudi has proven to be very durable. If you're going to be wary of a RB under the "What if he gets hurt" scenario than no RB in the league is safe since all of them could get hurt.

Thanks again, Packersfan.If anyone wants to be down on Rudi, that's certainly your prerogative. However, if you want a legitimate debate, you need to do better than citing your gut, a feeling, or speculating that what has not happened before will suddenly happen this year without any basis for the assertion. That last part goes for Rudi and for his competition, namely Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, and possibly Steven Jackson.Rudi is on a team that is significantly better on offense and/or significantly better overall team than any of his competition. That means a lot for RBs, as they are the most consistent scorers on an offense, and they tend to perform better in games won by their team than in games lost by their team.FWIW, the only news I've heard out of Cincinnati is that Marvin Lewis wants to dial down the passing game just a little bit and be more balanced. Sorry no link. I also don't know if this came about because of Palmer's injury.

 

[Gopher State]

I think you have to move Rudi up over Caddy and Brown. First Perry has been put on the PUP list with a mysterious knee injury, and no time table for when he will be able to play( more plays for Rudi if Perry's knee does not get better). I like Caddy but I can see him being pulled more at the goal line for Pittman and crew as the season goes on to keep him fresh. Brown has to prove to me he can carry the full load, he basically split time last year. I recall a lot of hype about Kevin Jones last year, just like Brown. I personally would go with the proven guy in Rudi. Brown may have a great year, but I think when the dust settles Rudi out performs him.

 

[packersfan]

Rudi has been 8th and 7th the last two years in scoring. So for the original poster who is considering him at 6, that's hardly a reach at all. And when you consider he's gone from 8th in 2004 to 7th in 2005, it's not a reach at all to consider him finishing 6th in 2006 given he's trending in that direction. All of the facts clearly show that Rudi is definitely someone to strongly consider with the sixth pick. It's just a question of whether you want to go with the "safe" choice or roll the dice and gamble on the "upside" pick. That's a personal call.

 

[wannabee]

I think you have to move Rudi up over Caddy and Brown. First Perry has been put on the PUP list with a mysterious knee injury, and no time table for when he will be able to play( more plays for Rudi if Perry's knee does not get better). I like Caddy but I can see him being pulled more at the goal line for Pittman and crew as the season goes on to keep him fresh. Brown has to prove to me he can carry the full load, he basically split time last year. I recall a lot of hype about Kevin Jones last year, just like Brown. I personally would go with the proven guy in Rudi. Brown may have a great year, but I think when the dust settles Rudi out performs him.

Perry's injury is his ankle from what I have read and he expects to be back by season start.Bengals | Lewis unknown on when Perry will return

Published Wed Aug 2 5:11:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports Cincinnati Bengals RB Chris Perry (ankle) looks good, but isn't giving a time frame on when he will return to practice. "He's going to have to push it, or I'm going to have to make a decision when that time comes," Lewis said of Perry. "He understands the ramifications of both sides, and he's working hard. His game is on quickness and cutting, so we need to make sure the ankle is healthy before we move on to the next phase. He has been working diligently early in the morning every day."

Bengals | Perry to be ready for season opener

Published Sun Jul 30 4:35:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports Cincinnati Bengals RB Chris Perry (ankle) is likely going to be ready for the season opener.

 

[joffer]

August 1, 2006, 09:38

Bengals :: RB

RB C. Perry May Be On PUP For Awhile?

Geoff Hobson, Bengals.com - [Full Article]

RB Chris Perry has missed all the spring camps with mysterious knee and ankle injuries and although it’s believed he’ll be back for the regular season, he’s not saying when he’ll be able to return. HC Marvin Lewis indicated he’ll be one of the longer ones on camp PUP.

 

[The Ref]

I have Rudi at 6 right now (non PPR) untill someone shows me a reason this preseason to take his place. The fact you can get him at 8 or 9 is the reason I expect to own him a lot this year.

 

[chris1969]

Rudi is the safe choice, but check out 2 things before drafting.

#1 When is Palmer back?

#2 How many Bungles are still in jail?

If the answers to those 2 questions looks good when you draft then take Rudi

 

[Buckna]

Rudi is the safe choice, but check out 2 things before drafting.#1 When is Palmer back?#2 How many Bungles are still in jail?If the answers to those 2 questions looks good when you draft then take Rudi

Other than Henry, I thought all the Bengals players with legal problems were on the D side of the ball?

 

[chris1969]

Rudi is the safe choice, but check out 2 things before drafting.#1 When is Palmer back?#2 How many Bungles are still in jail?If the answers to those 2 questions looks good when you draft then take Rudi

Other than Henry, I thought all the Bengals players with legal problems were on the D side of the ball?

It's hard to run the ball if the other team is ahead by 40

 

[Buckna]

Rudi is the safe choice, but check out 2 things before drafting.#1 When is Palmer back?#2 How many Bungles are still in jail?If the answers to those 2 questions looks good when you draft then take Rudi

Other than Henry, I thought all the Bengals players with legal problems were on the D side of the ball?

It's hard to run the ball if the other team is ahead by 40

Umm, okay. Other than Thurman, who among them was even a starter? You really think the defense will tank that bad? Not too mention that Corey Dillon did a pretty good job putting up the stats for 7 odd seasons when the Bengals had no D to speak of.

 

[chris1969]

Rudi is the safe choice, but check out 2 things before drafting.#1 When is Palmer back?#2 How many Bungles are still in jail?If the answers to those 2 questions looks good when you draft then take Rudi

Other than Henry, I thought all the Bengals players with legal problems were on the D side of the ball?

It's hard to run the ball if the other team is ahead by 40

Umm, okay. Other than Thurman, who among them was even a starter? You really think the defense will tank that bad? Not too mention that Corey Dillon did a pretty good job putting up the stats for 7 odd seasons when the Bengals had no D to speak of.

Well depth means something too and given their current arrest rate, 5 or 6 more guys could be arrested by week 1.Don't get me wrong my post is half joke, but nothing is a sure thing and those are the 2 biggest things that I'd worry about with Rudi, who I'd pick at 6 at this point BTW.

 

[brakeyawself]

While I think Rudi's a very sound choice, I think people kinda jump the gun when they say he is incredibly low risk. Chris Perry is very talented...what if Rudi gets sidelined for a bit and Perry shines for 2 games or so? As we've seen before, in those cases coaches often love to 'reward' the 2nd rb by going to a form of RBBC.....and since Rudi doesn't catch the ball, dropping to even a 60-40 split with Perry could be devestating.

Anything can happen but I would prefer to speculate based on what we've clearly seen happen already. To whit: Rudi has proven to be very durable. If you're going to be wary of a RB under the "What if he gets hurt" scenario than no RB in the league is safe since all of them could get hurt. Secondly, Perry has yet to prove he can stay healthy for an entire season. Third, as shown above, Perry has not proven to be a threat in terms of vulturing goal-line scores - a critical element IMO when evaluating RB production and potential. Despite Perry's emergence last season, Rudi still remained the primary ballcarrier and he still put up terrific numbers. What would prompt the Bengals to shift away from what's clearly proven to work?

Cadillac and Ronnie Brown are slightly less proven, and more of an injury risk....but they don't have vultures like Perry to worry about. 2 games missed for Brown is just that....but for Rudi? Could make him into a glorified Julius Jones 05......

Brown doesn't but Cadillac still has Pittman and Alstott as well. Like Rudi, Cadillac isn't a good receiver whereas Brown is pretty much a lock to be an every-down threat. The differences I see between these three are durability issues and Rudi being on a much more potent offense than either Williams or Brown. I'll take Rudi over both of them. The debate I'm having is whether I want to take Rudi over Steven Jackson, who I believe could blow up in a big way this year. But admittedly, if I go for Jackson I'll be doing so with the hope of upside paying off while realizing that I'm passing on the safer choice who could prove to be the better choice. And in the first round, that's not a place where you want to make the wrong call.

I think Ronnie brown has as much potential as Steven Jackson. If you're looking for any runningback to blow up, or even stay healthy, I dont know if its Jackson. Talk about an injury risk...

 

[FFFIEND]

Rudi is the safe choice, but check out 2 things before drafting.#1 When is Palmer back?#2 How many Bungles are still in jail?If the answers to those 2 questions looks good when you draft then take Rudi

I smell what you are cooking! Rudi just doesn't move the excitement meter and I will take him later in the dratf, but not at #6. I think his carries total and a sorry #### excuse for a team will hold him down a little in 2006.

 

[The Jerk]

Rudi is the safe choice, but check out 2 things before drafting.#1 When is Palmer back?#2 How many Bungles are still in jail?If the answers to those 2 questions looks good when you draft then take Rudi

I smell what you are cooking! Rudi just doesn't move the excitement meter and I will take him later in the dratf, but not at #6. I think his carries total and a sorry #### excuse for a team will hold him down a little in 2006.

From an off-the-field behavior standpoint, they may be a sorry excuse for a team. But on the field, and especially on offense, they are a potent unit. #4 in points scored (1 point shy of 3rd), #6 in total yards.The fact that their defense is better at creating turnovers than stopping opponents in their tracks helps to keep the offensive numbers strong. The Bengals and their opponents averaged 48.2 combined ppg last year, second overall in the NFL behind only the Rams (49.5).

 

[SCT]

I have to make this decision on keepers myself. Rudi or SJax. I put up a poll here a few weeks ago and SJax was the winner an astounding 33 to 5. I was quite surprised, because I value Rudi a lot, but look at this one as a toss up. Rudi is safer, but SJax has more upside IMO. Still wavering and am going to let whoever I end up trading the other with decide for me...."take your pick, Rudi or Sjax". I'll keep the other one and feel fine either way.

 

[FFFIEND]

Rudi is the safe choice, but check out 2 things before drafting.#1 When is Palmer back?#2 How many Bungles are still in jail?If the answers to those 2 questions looks good when you draft then take Rudi

I smell what you are cooking! Rudi just doesn't move the excitement meter and I will take him later in the dratf, but not at #6. I think his carries total and a sorry #### excuse for a team will hold him down a little in 2006.

From an off-the-field behavior standpoint, they may be a sorry excuse for a team. But on the field, and especially on offense, they are a potent unit. #4 in points scored (1 point shy of 3rd), #6 in total yards.The fact that their defense is better at creating turnovers than stopping opponents in their tracks helps to keep the offensive numbers strong. The Bengals and their opponents averaged 48.2 combined ppg last year, second overall in the NFL behind only the Rams (49.5).

I know how good they were LAST YEAR. I owned and rode Carson Palmer to a great season. However, THIS YEAR the Bengals have the smell of a team that is about to take a turn for the worse. Don't get me wrong. I think Rudi is still a first rounder, but if I have other options I will take them in my 2006 fanatsy drafts.

 

[WampusCat43]

I would absolutely take him at #6 in a non-PPR league, and think long and hard in any event. He played nearly the whole season hurt and still duplicated his excellent numbers from the year before. He's looked extremely good in camp, and his OL is intact and one of the best. There schedule is tougher, but Palmer will be there game 1 and their defense, even without Odell (for only four games) is going to be better. Go for it - I wish I could (drafting ninth).

 

[ddog9876]

I have the 6 pick in my 10 team non-PPR performance league.

After much deliberation, I've decided to go with Rudi.

I think SJAX/LAMONT/BROWN/EDGE all have more risk then their upside (if any) is worth.

You can't win the league with the 6th pick - but you sure can lose it.

 

[my man otis]

Rudi is the safe choice, but check out 2 things before drafting.#1 When is Palmer back?#2 How many Bungles are still in jail?If the answers to those 2 questions looks good when you draft then take Rudi

Other than Henry, I thought all the Bengals players with legal problems were on the D side of the ball?

It's hard to run the ball if the other team is ahead by 40

Umm, okay. Other than Thurman, who among them was even a starter? You really think the defense will tank that bad? Not too mention that Corey Dillon did a pretty good job putting up the stats for 7 odd seasons when the Bengals had no D to speak of.

please don't mention corey dillon's bengals past - those weeks of 36 yds, 15 yds, 67 yds followed by 180 yds after you bench him still haunt my memory.

 

[FFFIEND]

I have the 6 pick in my 10 team non-PPR performance league.After much deliberation, I've decided to go with Rudi.I think SJAX/LAMONT/BROWN/EDGE all have more risk then their upside (if any) is worth.You can't win the league with the 6th pick - but you sure can lose it.

I would go a differnt way with the pick, but Rudi is respectable. Better than Kevin Jones at 5 last year. I had a buddy do that in 2005 and he thought he was crazy like a fox, but it turned out he was just crazy.

 

[Gopher State]

I would absolutely take him at #6 in a non-PPR league, and think long and hard in any event. He played nearly the whole season hurt and still duplicated his excellent numbers from the year before. He's looked extremely good in camp, and his OL is intact and one of the best. There schedule is tougher, but Palmer will be there game 1 and their defense, even without Odell (for only four games) is going to be better. Go for it - I wish I could (drafting ninth).

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