Rumor: Derek Anderson could get the franchise tag (1 Viewer)

[Max Power]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.

Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

 

[CalBear]

That's how you get to be Cleveland.

 

[meanjoegreen]

This is all pure speculation. The Browns could do a lot of things.

 

[Phurfur]

That would give him a pretty big pay day, I doubt that happens.

 

[PranksterJD]

That would give him a pretty big pay day, I doubt that happens.

Agreed. I believe that the franchise tag earns him the average of the top 5 salaries, which for QBs would be a pretty hefty sum. If they believed in him that much then it seems like moving Brady would make more sense.

 

[paulbertini]

IN 2006 these were the highest 3 paid QBs.

Tom Brady = $ 13,828,590 cap value

Carson Palmer = $ 12,980,000 cap value

Brett Favre = $ 12,634,325 cap value

Which means the Browns would pay Anderson about $13.1 million for one season. I dont see that happening because it will cause serious financial instability in that franchise. These turds should realize they made a mistake with Brady Quinn and take the draft pick they get from Anderson.

 

[SteelerMurf]

This is the Browns so the rumor could make sense. I mean when you have the opportunity to give a 1 year wonder Manning/Brady/Favre/Romo/Palmer money you do it

 

[twitch]

I still think theyre going to max tender him, and if he gets signed by another team to a deal they cant match, then theyll get a 1st and a 3rd. Or something like that. They cant pay this kid $12mil for one year's worth of work. If noone's noticed, Braylon Edwards is playing out of his mind and Kellen Winslow is no slouch. Those 2 guys have as much to do with Anderson looking like a stud as Anderson does.

 

[mad sweeney]

That's a tough rumor to believe because of the dough involved for 1 year, although if they did it and kept Brady it would mirror the Brees/Rivers situation even more. If they're going to pay him 11-13 mil, might as well sign him to a longer deal so that money doesn't go to waste if he gets hurt. And then what do you do the next year? Unless they think they have a 1 year window to win it all they'd have to start over with Quinn the next, might as well get some picks for DA and start over with Quinn next year. This is the team that flipped a coin for the QB so who knows what they'll do but that just seems like an awful lot of dough.

 

[Donnybrook]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

I think the Browns would be happy if they got a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. Prior to the season the rumor was that the Browns were shopping either Frye or Anderson. They traded Charlie Frye for a 6th rounder despite him having a better pre-season than Anderson. Truthfully, I don't think any other team will touch him if they have to give a 1st and a 3rd plus a long term contract.

 

[Fallerjw]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

I think the Browns would be happy if they got a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. Prior to the season the rumor was that the Browns were shopping either Frye or Anderson. They traded Charlie Frye for a 6th rounder despite him having a better pre-season than Anderson. Truthfully, I don't think any other team will touch him if they have to give a 1st and a 3rd plus a long term contract.

I agree. If I'm the Browns I take any deal that involves a first and seriously consider a deal that involves a 2nd round pick.

 

[Keys Myaths]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

I think the Browns would be happy if they got a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. Prior to the season the rumor was that the Browns were shopping either Frye or Anderson. They traded Charlie Frye for a 6th rounder despite him having a better pre-season than Anderson. Truthfully, I don't think any other team will touch him if they have to give a 1st and a 3rd plus a long term contract.

I agree. If I'm the Browns I take any deal that involves a first and seriously consider a deal that involves a 2nd round pick.

But why? Again, as I brought up earlier, do people really think Quinn is going to approach what Anderson has done?

 

[Max Power]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

I think the Browns would be happy if they got a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. Prior to the season the rumor was that the Browns were shopping either Frye or Anderson. They traded Charlie Frye for a 6th rounder despite him having a better pre-season than Anderson. Truthfully, I don't think any other team will touch him if they have to give a 1st and a 3rd plus a long term contract.

I agree. If I'm the Browns I take any deal that involves a first and seriously consider a deal that involves a 2nd round pick.

But why? Again, as I brought up earlier, do people really think Quinn is going to approach what Anderson has done?

Quinn wont need to if the Browns can trade Anderson for help on D.

 

[strong]

I thought you could only Franchise unrestricted free agents????

 

[cartel]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

I think the Browns would be happy if they got a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. Prior to the season the rumor was that the Browns were shopping either Frye or Anderson. They traded Charlie Frye for a 6th rounder despite him having a better pre-season than Anderson. Truthfully, I don't think any other team will touch him if they have to give a 1st and a 3rd plus a long term contract.

I agree. If I'm the Browns I take any deal that involves a first and seriously consider a deal that involves a 2nd round pick.

But why? Again, as I brought up earlier, do people really think Quinn is going to approach what Anderson has done?

yes

 

[Fallerjw]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

I think the Browns would be happy if they got a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. Prior to the season the rumor was that the Browns were shopping either Frye or Anderson. They traded Charlie Frye for a 6th rounder despite him having a better pre-season than Anderson. Truthfully, I don't think any other team will touch him if they have to give a 1st and a 3rd plus a long term contract.

I agree. If I'm the Browns I take any deal that involves a first and seriously consider a deal that involves a 2nd round pick.

But why? Again, as I brought up earlier, do people really think Quinn is going to approach what Anderson has done?

Quinn wont need to if the Browns can trade Anderson for help on D.

Exactly. I really do think that DA has been the benefactor of good OL play and Edwards / Winslow playing well this year. If you threw in a better defense this team would move up another notch.

 

[Fallerjw]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

I think the Browns would be happy if they got a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. Prior to the season the rumor was that the Browns were shopping either Frye or Anderson. They traded Charlie Frye for a 6th rounder despite him having a better pre-season than Anderson. Truthfully, I don't think any other team will touch him if they have to give a 1st and a 3rd plus a long term contract.

I agree. If I'm the Browns I take any deal that involves a first and seriously consider a deal that involves a 2nd round pick.

But why? Again, as I brought up earlier, do people really think Quinn is going to approach what Anderson has done?

yes

 

[Bri]

IN 2006 these were the highest 3 paid QBs.Tom Brady = $ 13,828,590 cap valueCarson Palmer = $ 12,980,000 cap valueBrett Favre = $ 12,634,325 cap valueWhich means the Browns would pay Anderson about $13.1 million for one season. I dont see that happening because it will cause serious financial instability in that franchise. These turds should realize they made a mistake with Brady Quinn and take the draft pick they get from Anderson.

I don't believe this applies. I'm not even sure if he has two accrued seasons. There's also exclusive and non-exclusive rights free agents and.....it gets pretty hairy when ya break it down. Yudkin usually knows this stuff pretty well, maybe he'll chime in.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Wow. someone needs to be fired it this happens

 

[smcindoe]

IN 2006 these were the highest 3 paid QBs.

Tom Brady = $ 13,828,590 cap value

Carson Palmer = $ 12,980,000 cap value

Brett Favre = $ 12,634,325 cap value

Which means the Browns would pay Anderson about $13.1 million for one season.

My understanding is that the franchise tag is based on the average of the five highest salaries, and salaries only. The figures listed here would include bonuses, spread out over the life of the deal to get the cap value. Take the bonuses out and the actual five highest salaries would be lower.

 

[simmonjm]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

 

[Mister Martie]

Wow! A rumor that the Browns could do something. Really interesting stuff.

 

[smcindoe]

Translation of this story: The Anderson camp wasn't making progress at the negotiating table and was making noises about signing a long-term deal somewhere else as a RFA, so the Browns are playing the game right back at them.

 

[SuperJohn96]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

I like this post. The salary cap is going up, so it's not as big a deal as it seems.As a Browns fan, I just want the best players on the field, and DA is their best QB. Give him the money and find away to get rid of Quinn for picks or help on defense.

 

[mad sweeney]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

They can't franchise him for over 10 mil and then bench him for Quinn depending on how the season goes. And it's a 1 year deal, he'd be an UFA at season's end and be free to sign anywhere with the Browns getting nada. And no one is going to trade for him at franchise tag value mid season.

 

[simmonjm]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

I like this post. The salary cap is going up, so it's not as big a deal as it seems.As a Browns fan, I just want the best players on the field, and DA is their best QB. Give him the money and find away to get rid of Quinn for picks or help on defense.

Quinn's deal is cap friendly and is based on alot of playing time incentives so even if it took him a year or two to unseat DA he doesnt hurt the cap. Way to early to get rid of Quinn though you would never get fair value.

 

[JaxBill]

Why is this so surprising? Asante Samuel and Freeney were franchised last year. Freeney signed an extension and Samuel did not. Here's how it was supposed to work for Samuel.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...el_gets_tagged/

Basically, Cleveland has announced that they are going to play a game of cat and mouse. You franchise him at the start of free agency and then you either work out an extension or find a suitable trade for him. If they didn't franchise him, they'd get nothing for him.

 

[simmonjm]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

They can't franchise him for over 10 mil and then bench him for Quinn depending on how the season goes. And it's a 1 year deal, he'd be an UFA at season's end and be free to sign anywhere with the Browns getting nada. And no one is going to trade for him at franchise tag value mid season.

So if they cant franchise him they should just let him go? I highly doubt his agent would sign off on a 1 or 2 year deal. Im sure for as much losing as Cleveland has endured they will do everything in their power to ensure they are not left empty at the QB position even if it means overpaying for the position. And I mean really what does Cleveland lose if they find out halfway through next season DA was a 1 year wonder? Nothing IMO.

 

[Da Guru]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

The kid has earned it, although it will cost the Browns some big $$$$$$

 

[Bri]

IN 2006 these were the highest 3 paid QBs.

Tom Brady = $ 13,828,590 cap value

Carson Palmer = $ 12,980,000 cap value

Brett Favre = $ 12,634,325 cap value

Which means the Browns would pay Anderson about $13.1 million for one season.

My understanding is that the franchise tag is based on the average of the five highest salaries, and salaries only. The figures listed here would include bonuses, spread out over the life of the deal to get the cap value. Take the bonuses out and the actual five highest salaries would be lower.

not sure cap value vs salary but the #s seem righthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_Tag

 

[mad sweeney]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

They can't franchise him for over 10 mil and then bench him for Quinn depending on how the season goes. And it's a 1 year deal, he'd be an UFA at season's end and be free to sign anywhere with the Browns getting nada. And no one is going to trade for him at franchise tag value mid season.

So if they cant franchise him they should just let him go? I highly doubt his agent would sign off on a 1 or 2 year deal. Im sure for as much losing as Cleveland has endured they will do everything in their power to ensure they are not left empty at the QB position even if it means overpaying for the position. And I mean really what does Cleveland lose if they find out halfway through next season DA was a 1 year wonder? Nothing IMO.

He's an RFA so they can tender him and get the draft picks for him or have him for 1 year at a lot cheaper price. And if they franchise him and end up playing Quinn they've lost half a season or more and are starting over with Quinn midseason instead of the beginning of the year. If they aren't going to sign DA for a long term deal then a 1 year deal only pushes the decision back a year at a pretty hefty cost. That's 10 mil that can be spent on any of the other pressing needs the Browns have.

 

[JaxBill]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

They can't franchise him for over 10 mil and then bench him for Quinn depending on how the season goes. And it's a 1 year deal, he'd be an UFA at season's end and be free to sign anywhere with the Browns getting nada. And no one is going to trade for him at franchise tag value mid season.

So if they cant franchise him they should just let him go? I highly doubt his agent would sign off on a 1 or 2 year deal. Im sure for as much losing as Cleveland has endured they will do everything in their power to ensure they are not left empty at the QB position even if it means overpaying for the position. And I mean really what does Cleveland lose if they find out halfway through next season DA was a 1 year wonder? Nothing IMO.

He's an RFA so they can tender him and get the draft picks for him or have him for 1 year at a lot cheaper price. And if they franchise him and end up playing Quinn they've lost half a season or more and are starting over with Quinn midseason instead of the beginning of the year. If they aren't going to sign DA for a long term deal then a 1 year deal only pushes the decision back a year at a pretty hefty cost. That's 10 mil that can be spent on any of the other pressing needs the Browns have.

But if they only tender him the most they can get is a first and a third. More importantly, Anderson can still negotiate with anybody. If they tender him, Baltimore, for instance, can sign him to a contract that the Browns don't want to match. (See Hutchinson, Steve). Browns get a couple picks and don't risk as much but a division rival just solved their QB problem.

 

[mad sweeney]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

They can't franchise him for over 10 mil and then bench him for Quinn depending on how the season goes. And it's a 1 year deal, he'd be an UFA at season's end and be free to sign anywhere with the Browns getting nada. And no one is going to trade for him at franchise tag value mid season.

So if they cant franchise him they should just let him go? I highly doubt his agent would sign off on a 1 or 2 year deal. Im sure for as much losing as Cleveland has endured they will do everything in their power to ensure they are not left empty at the QB position even if it means overpaying for the position. And I mean really what does Cleveland lose if they find out halfway through next season DA was a 1 year wonder? Nothing IMO.

He's an RFA so they can tender him and get the draft picks for him or have him for 1 year at a lot cheaper price. And if they franchise him and end up playing Quinn they've lost half a season or more and are starting over with Quinn midseason instead of the beginning of the year. If they aren't going to sign DA for a long term deal then a 1 year deal only pushes the decision back a year at a pretty hefty cost. That's 10 mil that can be spent on any of the other pressing needs the Browns have.

But if they only tender him the most they can get is a first and a third. More importantly, Anderson can still negotiate with anybody. If they tender him, Baltimore, for instance, can sign him to a contract that the Browns don't want to match. (See Hutchinson, Steve). Browns get a couple picks and don't risk as much but a division rival just solved their QB problem.

And the Browns get a pretty high first out of the deal, which they currently don't have. And if they franchise him then the Ravens can do that anyway the next year and their division rivals will have solved their QB problem and the Browns got nothing. If they get a first and third, they'll be pretty high picks plus the Ravens don't have the playmakers to throw to so it won't be for a while that it's a huge problem.

 

[Da Guru]

The Shark move is to try to deal Quinn.

 

[JaxBill]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

They can't franchise him for over 10 mil and then bench him for Quinn depending on how the season goes. And it's a 1 year deal, he'd be an UFA at season's end and be free to sign anywhere with the Browns getting nada. And no one is going to trade for him at franchise tag value mid season.

So if they cant franchise him they should just let him go? I highly doubt his agent would sign off on a 1 or 2 year deal. Im sure for as much losing as Cleveland has endured they will do everything in their power to ensure they are not left empty at the QB position even if it means overpaying for the position. And I mean really what does Cleveland lose if they find out halfway through next season DA was a 1 year wonder? Nothing IMO.

He's an RFA so they can tender him and get the draft picks for him or have him for 1 year at a lot cheaper price. And if they franchise him and end up playing Quinn they've lost half a season or more and are starting over with Quinn midseason instead of the beginning of the year. If they aren't going to sign DA for a long term deal then a 1 year deal only pushes the decision back a year at a pretty hefty cost. That's 10 mil that can be spent on any of the other pressing needs the Browns have.

But if they only tender him the most they can get is a first and a third. More importantly, Anderson can still negotiate with anybody. If they tender him, Baltimore, for instance, can sign him to a contract that the Browns don't want to match. (See Hutchinson, Steve). Browns get a couple picks and don't risk as much but a division rival just solved their QB problem.

And the Browns get a pretty high first out of the deal, which they currently don't have. And if they franchise him then the Ravens can do that anyway the next year and their division rivals will have solved their QB problem and the Browns got nothing. If they get a first and third, they'll be pretty high picks plus the Ravens don't have the playmakers to throw to so it won't be for a while that it's a huge problem.

Or they can franchise him and trade him out of the division.

 

[Phurfur]

This is the Browns so the rumor could make sense. I mean when you have the opportunity to give a 1 year wonder Manning/Brady/Favre/Romo/Palmer money you do it

Opps, Romo is currently a one year wonder playing on a much better team than Anderson. What a difference the media hyping a player 24/7 makes in peoples minds.

 

[chris1969]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

This is about the only thing I'm certain will not happen. If the Browns want more than a 1st and a 3rd, I'm pretty sure they can sign him to a contract for less than Franchise money and and make a deal with any interested team. If they franchise him they could actually lose interest from other teams, given the 13 mill cap hit and the fact the he would be an unrestricted FA the next year, why would a team give up 2 #1's? Franchising him a second time would put his salary at about 16 mil for 2009. Also you can't rule out the Brown's signing him long term and trading Quinn or even keeping both. Quinn's contract is loaded with incentives and his cap hit isn't that bad if he stays as a back-up. If he sits on the bench for the next 5 years his contract will never exceed $700,000. I'm thinking that DA is gone personally, and I think that a deal will be pretty much done in the offseason.

 

[mad sweeney]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

They can't franchise him for over 10 mil and then bench him for Quinn depending on how the season goes. And it's a 1 year deal, he'd be an UFA at season's end and be free to sign anywhere with the Browns getting nada. And no one is going to trade for him at franchise tag value mid season.

So if they cant franchise him they should just let him go? I highly doubt his agent would sign off on a 1 or 2 year deal. Im sure for as much losing as Cleveland has endured they will do everything in their power to ensure they are not left empty at the QB position even if it means overpaying for the position. And I mean really what does Cleveland lose if they find out halfway through next season DA was a 1 year wonder? Nothing IMO.

He's an RFA so they can tender him and get the draft picks for him or have him for 1 year at a lot cheaper price. And if they franchise him and end up playing Quinn they've lost half a season or more and are starting over with Quinn midseason instead of the beginning of the year. If they aren't going to sign DA for a long term deal then a 1 year deal only pushes the decision back a year at a pretty hefty cost. That's 10 mil that can be spent on any of the other pressing needs the Browns have.

But if they only tender him the most they can get is a first and a third. More importantly, Anderson can still negotiate with anybody. If they tender him, Baltimore, for instance, can sign him to a contract that the Browns don't want to match. (See Hutchinson, Steve). Browns get a couple picks and don't risk as much but a division rival just solved their QB problem.

And the Browns get a pretty high first out of the deal, which they currently don't have. And if they franchise him then the Ravens can do that anyway the next year and their division rivals will have solved their QB problem and the Browns got nothing. If they get a first and third, they'll be pretty high picks plus the Ravens don't have the playmakers to throw to so it won't be for a while that it's a huge problem.

Or they can franchise him and trade him out of the division.

It's all about maximizing gain and minimizing risk. If they franchise him the other team has to give up 2 firsts, not likely. So then you have to trade him midseason if you can find a taker. That doesn't help your team to have a QB play half a season and then poof. Or you keep him the hwole year and have the same issue at higher price. I think there's a better chance of trading him if the price is 1st and 3rd instead of 2 firsts. Seems to me that he's more valuable short and long term to the Browns in trade value instead of 1 years worth of playing time. And franchising makes it much harder to trade than a RFA tender does.The other factor is what will make the Browns better? A 1 year QB? Gotta build a team that competes year in year out and if you have QB controversy or contract issues every year you can't get long term stability under center.

 

[JaxBill]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

They can't franchise him for over 10 mil and then bench him for Quinn depending on how the season goes. And it's a 1 year deal, he'd be an UFA at season's end and be free to sign anywhere with the Browns getting nada. And no one is going to trade for him at franchise tag value mid season.

So if they cant franchise him they should just let him go? I highly doubt his agent would sign off on a 1 or 2 year deal. Im sure for as much losing as Cleveland has endured they will do everything in their power to ensure they are not left empty at the QB position even if it means overpaying for the position. And I mean really what does Cleveland lose if they find out halfway through next season DA was a 1 year wonder? Nothing IMO.

He's an RFA so they can tender him and get the draft picks for him or have him for 1 year at a lot cheaper price. And if they franchise him and end up playing Quinn they've lost half a season or more and are starting over with Quinn midseason instead of the beginning of the year. If they aren't going to sign DA for a long term deal then a 1 year deal only pushes the decision back a year at a pretty hefty cost. That's 10 mil that can be spent on any of the other pressing needs the Browns have.

But if they only tender him the most they can get is a first and a third. More importantly, Anderson can still negotiate with anybody. If they tender him, Baltimore, for instance, can sign him to a contract that the Browns don't want to match. (See Hutchinson, Steve). Browns get a couple picks and don't risk as much but a division rival just solved their QB problem.

And the Browns get a pretty high first out of the deal, which they currently don't have. And if they franchise him then the Ravens can do that anyway the next year and their division rivals will have solved their QB problem and the Browns got nothing. If they get a first and third, they'll be pretty high picks plus the Ravens don't have the playmakers to throw to so it won't be for a while that it's a huge problem.

Or they can franchise him and trade him out of the division.

It's all about maximizing gain and minimizing risk. If they franchise him the other team has to give up 2 firsts, not likely. So then you have to trade him midseason if you can find a taker. That doesn't help your team to have a QB play half a season and then poof. Or you keep him the hwole year and have the same issue at higher price. I think there's a better chance of trading him if the price is 1st and 3rd instead of 2 firsts. Seems to me that he's more valuable short and long term to the Browns in trade value instead of 1 years worth of playing time. And franchising makes it much harder to trade than a RFA tender does.The other factor is what will make the Browns better? A 1 year QB? Gotta build a team that competes year in year out and if you have QB controversy or contract issues every year you can't get long term stability under center.

If franchised, the other team does NOT have to give up two firsts if the two teams agree. See John Abraham. Franchised and traded before the season for a first and a couple mid-round picks.

 

[JaxBill]

Here's how the Jets franchised John Abraham and basically auctioned him before the draft-

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2378875

 

[mad sweeney]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

They can't franchise him for over 10 mil and then bench him for Quinn depending on how the season goes. And it's a 1 year deal, he'd be an UFA at season's end and be free to sign anywhere with the Browns getting nada. And no one is going to trade for him at franchise tag value mid season.

So if they cant franchise him they should just let him go? I highly doubt his agent would sign off on a 1 or 2 year deal. Im sure for as much losing as Cleveland has endured they will do everything in their power to ensure they are not left empty at the QB position even if it means overpaying for the position. And I mean really what does Cleveland lose if they find out halfway through next season DA was a 1 year wonder? Nothing IMO.

He's an RFA so they can tender him and get the draft picks for him or have him for 1 year at a lot cheaper price. And if they franchise him and end up playing Quinn they've lost half a season or more and are starting over with Quinn midseason instead of the beginning of the year. If they aren't going to sign DA for a long term deal then a 1 year deal only pushes the decision back a year at a pretty hefty cost. That's 10 mil that can be spent on any of the other pressing needs the Browns have.

But if they only tender him the most they can get is a first and a third. More importantly, Anderson can still negotiate with anybody. If they tender him, Baltimore, for instance, can sign him to a contract that the Browns don't want to match. (See Hutchinson, Steve). Browns get a couple picks and don't risk as much but a division rival just solved their QB problem.

And the Browns get a pretty high first out of the deal, which they currently don't have. And if they franchise him then the Ravens can do that anyway the next year and their division rivals will have solved their QB problem and the Browns got nothing. If they get a first and third, they'll be pretty high picks plus the Ravens don't have the playmakers to throw to so it won't be for a while that it's a huge problem.

Or they can franchise him and trade him out of the division.

It's all about maximizing gain and minimizing risk. If they franchise him the other team has to give up 2 firsts, not likely. So then you have to trade him midseason if you can find a taker. That doesn't help your team to have a QB play half a season and then poof. Or you keep him the hwole year and have the same issue at higher price. I think there's a better chance of trading him if the price is 1st and 3rd instead of 2 firsts. Seems to me that he's more valuable short and long term to the Browns in trade value instead of 1 years worth of playing time. And franchising makes it much harder to trade than a RFA tender does.The other factor is what will make the Browns better? A 1 year QB? Gotta build a team that competes year in year out and if you have QB controversy or contract issues every year you can't get long term stability under center.

If franchised, the other team does NOT have to give up two firsts if the two teams agree. See John Abraham. Franchised and traded before the season for a first and a couple mid-round picks.

I didn't realize that. But there is still risk involved if you don't get a taker, a one year expensive QB. If they think they can get more than a 1st and 3rd for him then I guess that makes sense. But if they don't expect more then the RFA tender is a lot cheaper if they get stuck with him. However it works out the Browns need to either get DA signed for a few years or start Quinn week 1. A one year QB fix doesn't help build the team, especially if it ends up he walks as an UFA at the end of a season that started with no 1st round pick.

 

[Donnybrook]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

They can't franchise him for over 10 mil and then bench him for Quinn depending on how the season goes. And it's a 1 year deal, he'd be an UFA at season's end and be free to sign anywhere with the Browns getting nada. And no one is going to trade for him at franchise tag value mid season.

So if they cant franchise him they should just let him go? I highly doubt his agent would sign off on a 1 or 2 year deal. Im sure for as much losing as Cleveland has endured they will do everything in their power to ensure they are not left empty at the QB position even if it means overpaying for the position. And I mean really what does Cleveland lose if they find out halfway through next season DA was a 1 year wonder? Nothing IMO.

He's an RFA so they can tender him and get the draft picks for him or have him for 1 year at a lot cheaper price. And if they franchise him and end up playing Quinn they've lost half a season or more and are starting over with Quinn midseason instead of the beginning of the year. If they aren't going to sign DA for a long term deal then a 1 year deal only pushes the decision back a year at a pretty hefty cost. That's 10 mil that can be spent on any of the other pressing needs the Browns have.

But if they only tender him the most they can get is a first and a third. More importantly, Anderson can still negotiate with anybody. If they tender him, Baltimore, for instance, can sign him to a contract that the Browns don't want to match. (See Hutchinson, Steve). Browns get a couple picks and don't risk as much but a division rival just solved their QB problem.

I think the Baltimore fans may revolt if they gave up there 1st and 3rd for the same QB that the Ravens originally drafted and later cut. Not to mention giving those picks to a division rival.PS: Hutchinson was slapped with the transition tag so no draft picks were involved

 

[GreenNGold]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

I think the Browns would be happy if they got a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. Prior to the season the rumor was that the Browns were shopping either Frye or Anderson. They traded Charlie Frye for a 6th rounder despite him having a better pre-season than Anderson. Truthfully, I don't think any other team will touch him if they have to give a 1st and a 3rd plus a long term contract.

I agree. If I'm the Browns I take any deal that involves a first and seriously consider a deal that involves a 2nd round pick.

But why? Again, as I brought up earlier, do people really think Quinn is going to approach what Anderson has done?

Quinn wont need to if the Browns can trade Anderson for help on D.

Why not trade Quinn for help on D? The current NFL puts way too much value on draft picks and recent draft picks. No one here can honestly say they think San Diego made the right decision by choosing Rivers over Brees? Go with the proven performers, don't risk it all on an unproven rookie, when you already have the goods.

 

[trader jake]

The Shark move is to try to deal Quinn.

I think you're confusing "a shark move" with "a Shark Pool move." HTH.If the Browns can tender Derek and end up with a 1st and a 3rd they should celebrate their good fortune.

 

[mad sweeney]

I dont understand this boards logic. Cleveland cannot just let Derek Anderson go, the fans and locker room would go nuts. Does Cleveland really want to begin next season with Brady Quinn and some journeyman QB like Josh McNown? Derek Anderson is not going to sign long term with the Browns because of Quinn. To me it makes the most sense to franchise Derek Anderson and let him play and depending on how the season goes insert Quinn. The benefit of keeping Anderson around is possible increase in trade value and Quinn gets more time to learn the offense. The salary cap is going to be something over 100 million so 10-13 million for one year is not that big of a deal.

They can't franchise him for over 10 mil and then bench him for Quinn depending on how the season goes. And it's a 1 year deal, he'd be an UFA at season's end and be free to sign anywhere with the Browns getting nada. And no one is going to trade for him at franchise tag value mid season.

So if they cant franchise him they should just let him go? I highly doubt his agent would sign off on a 1 or 2 year deal. Im sure for as much losing as Cleveland has endured they will do everything in their power to ensure they are not left empty at the QB position even if it means overpaying for the position. And I mean really what does Cleveland lose if they find out halfway through next season DA was a 1 year wonder? Nothing IMO.

He's an RFA so they can tender him and get the draft picks for him or have him for 1 year at a lot cheaper price. And if they franchise him and end up playing Quinn they've lost half a season or more and are starting over with Quinn midseason instead of the beginning of the year. If they aren't going to sign DA for a long term deal then a 1 year deal only pushes the decision back a year at a pretty hefty cost. That's 10 mil that can be spent on any of the other pressing needs the Browns have.

But if they only tender him the most they can get is a first and a third. More importantly, Anderson can still negotiate with anybody. If they tender him, Baltimore, for instance, can sign him to a contract that the Browns don't want to match. (See Hutchinson, Steve). Browns get a couple picks and don't risk as much but a division rival just solved their QB problem.

I think the Baltimore fans may revolt if they gave up there 1st and 3rd for the same QB that the Ravens originally drafted and later cut. Not to mention giving those picks to a division rival.PS: Hutchinson was slapped with the transition tag so no draft picks were involved

Didn't even stop to think about it that way. There's very little reason to worry about a division rival giving DA an offer the Browns can't refuse.

 

[mad sweeney]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.

Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

I think the Browns would be happy if they got a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. Prior to the season the rumor was that the Browns were shopping either Frye or Anderson. They traded Charlie Frye for a 6th rounder despite him having a better pre-season than Anderson. Truthfully, I don't think any other team will touch him if they have to give a 1st and a 3rd plus a long term contract.

I agree. If I'm the Browns I take any deal that involves a first and seriously consider a deal that involves a 2nd round pick.

But why? Again, as I brought up earlier, do people really think Quinn is going to approach what Anderson has done?

Quinn wont need to if the Browns can trade Anderson for help on D.

Why not trade Quinn for help on D? The current NFL puts way too much value on draft picks and recent draft picks. No one here can honestly say they think San Diego made the right decision by choosing Rivers over Brees? Go with the proven performers, don't risk it all on an unproven rookie, when you already have the goods.

So how much trade value does an unproven rookie have?

 

[GreenNGold]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.

Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

I think the Browns would be happy if they got a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. Prior to the season the rumor was that the Browns were shopping either Frye or Anderson. They traded Charlie Frye for a 6th rounder despite him having a better pre-season than Anderson. Truthfully, I don't think any other team will touch him if they have to give a 1st and a 3rd plus a long term contract.

I agree. If I'm the Browns I take any deal that involves a first and seriously consider a deal that involves a 2nd round pick.

But why? Again, as I brought up earlier, do people really think Quinn is going to approach what Anderson has done?

Quinn wont need to if the Browns can trade Anderson for help on D.

Why not trade Quinn for help on D? The current NFL puts way too much value on draft picks and recent draft picks. No one here can honestly say they think San Diego made the right decision by choosing Rivers over Brees? Go with the proven performers, don't risk it all on an unproven rookie, when you already have the goods.

So how much trade value does an unproven rookie have?

Well, according to most in this thread, they would much rather have an unproven rookie as their franchise QB than DA.

 

[Tanner9919]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

I think the Browns would be happy if they got a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. Prior to the season the rumor was that the Browns were shopping either Frye or Anderson. They traded Charlie Frye for a 6th rounder despite him having a better pre-season than Anderson. Truthfully, I don't think any other team will touch him if they have to give a 1st and a 3rd plus a long term contract.

I agree. If I'm the Browns I take any deal that involves a first and seriously consider a deal that involves a 2nd round pick.

or , do they put Brady Quinn on the block?Its Cleveland, they'll screw it up somehow.

 

[mad sweeney]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports the Browns could slap the franchise tag on impending restricted free agent Derek Anderson after the season.

Apparently, you still can do this, although it has not been done since 1999 when Terrell Owens was a restricted free agent after three years with San Francisco. The natural assumption was that Anderson would be tendered highly with the first- and third-round tags, but the franchise tender brings back two first-round choices if another team signs Anderson to an offer sheet.

I think the Browns would be happy if they got a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. Prior to the season the rumor was that the Browns were shopping either Frye or Anderson. They traded Charlie Frye for a 6th rounder despite him having a better pre-season than Anderson. Truthfully, I don't think any other team will touch him if they have to give a 1st and a 3rd plus a long term contract.

I agree. If I'm the Browns I take any deal that involves a first and seriously consider a deal that involves a 2nd round pick.

But why? Again, as I brought up earlier, do people really think Quinn is going to approach what Anderson has done?

Quinn wont need to if the Browns can trade Anderson for help on D.

Why not trade Quinn for help on D? The current NFL puts way too much value on draft picks and recent draft picks. No one here can honestly say they think San Diego made the right decision by choosing Rivers over Brees? Go with the proven performers, don't risk it all on an unproven rookie, when you already have the goods.

So how much trade value does an unproven rookie have?

Well, according to most in this thread, they would much rather have an unproven rookie as their franchise QB than DA.

The Browns know Quinn from practice, other teams don't know him at all. If the coaching staff thinks that Quinn can perform at or near DA levels then DA is way more valuable in trade than Quinn.

 

[GreenNGold]

The Browns know Quinn from practice, other teams don't know him at all. If the coaching staff thinks that Quinn can perform at or near DA levels then DA is way more valuable in trade than Quinn.

I respectfully disagree. I just don't see how a guy who proves himself at the NFL level should ever be discarded for a draft pick who has yet to prove anything. Quick examples I can think off the top of my head are SD dumping Brees for Rivers and Chicago dumping Jones for Benson. Obviously the RB situation is not the same as a QB, but the Chargers thought they knew Rivers pretty good from 3 years of practice. Quinn is still less than a year. Green Bay has drafted several good QB's over the years (Hasselbeck, Brooks, etc...) yet the wise decision was obvioulsy to keep the proven vet and trade away the draft pick. I am by no means saying DA has Favre potential, but just trying to show that you can draft QB's (and later trade them) while keeping your franchise QB.Maybe I am wrong on this but I will never be convinced of it. If there is another light, I will never see it.