fred_1_15301
Footballguy
He didn't trade a # 1 overall to get him though......it does sound crazy. was Parcells the one that found Romo though?This would be mindboggling to me if it happened.....
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Rumor: Derek Anderson could get the franchise tag (1 Viewer)
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amnesiac
beer is good
no doubt, i was just trying to figure out if that was his evaluation or not.He didn't trade a # 1 overall to get him though......it does sound crazy. was Parcells the one that found Romo though?This would be mindboggling to me if it happened.....
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Your reasoning is flawed because it assumes that Anderson (with a whopping 17 career starts and a 79.1 passer rating) does not need to be "developed".
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Take Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow away from Anderson and see what he can do in the Miami offense. His completion percentage stinks as it is and Winslow and Edwards catch everything. Replace them with Ted Ginn and David Martin and Anderson doesn't look so hot anymore.If Miami traded the #1 pick for Anderson, they should have their franchise revoked.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html
Rank Player Team Games Dropped Passes
1 Dallas Clark IND 14 12
2 Braylon Edwards CLE 15 11
3 Randy Moss NE 15 9
4 Brandon Marshall DEN 15 8
T-5 Marty Booker MIA 14 7
T-5 Anthony Gonzalez IND 13 7
T-5 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN 15 7
T-5 Chad Johnson CIN 15 7
T-9 Ronald Curry OAK 15 6
T-9 Kenton Keith IND 15 6
T-9 Reggie Wayne IND 15 6
T-9 Kellen Winslow CLE 15 6
Watching each and every game, there have been a lot of drops by Edwards, and some by Winslow, particularly in the weather the past two weeks. A few of them have been in the end zone. I know you show up to piss on Anderson in every and any thread he's discussed, but keep it clean, EG. Edwards and Winslow aren't saints.
Rank Player Team Games Dropped Passes
1 Dallas Clark IND 14 12
2 Braylon Edwards CLE 15 11
3 Randy Moss NE 15 9
4 Brandon Marshall DEN 15 8
T-5 Marty Booker MIA 14 7
T-5 Anthony Gonzalez IND 13 7
T-5 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN 15 7
T-5 Chad Johnson CIN 15 7
T-9 Ronald Curry OAK 15 6
T-9 Kenton Keith IND 15 6
T-9 Reggie Wayne IND 15 6
T-9 Kellen Winslow CLE 15 6
Watching each and every game, there have been a lot of drops by Edwards, and some by Winslow, particularly in the weather the past two weeks. A few of them have been in the end zone. I know you show up to piss on Anderson in every and any thread he's discussed, but keep it clean, EG. Edwards and Winslow aren't saints.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
They may have some drops, but they also have a ton of targets. For every ball Braylon drops, he catches two that your garden variety receiver wouldn't (the TD against PIT is a great example.) You really think Anderson's completion % would be as high or higher in Miami than Cleveland?Also, I'm not pissing on Anderson because he's a Brown, I just don't think the guy is that good. If I'm complimenting Winslow and Edwards to prove the point, it isn't Browns-bashing, as a viewer of football, I'm not sold on Anderson. Don't sweat it.. from his rookie year, I was telling everyone that Roethlisberger was going to be a great QB, I had to endure the "game manager" bologna, told me I should have my head examined for insinuating I wouldn't trade him for Daunte Culpepper (where are you now, Hendo?
) etc.....
DoubleG
Footballguy
Not to hijack, but does anyone find it interesting that 4 Indy playerson the list?
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
The thing is, Anderson could look a lot better if he was scaled back and given the game manager role. They may not have as many wins because he was forced to pass to keep up with what was in the first 3/4 of the season a horrible defense, but it is what it is. Dawson makes that kick in Oakland, Winslow's catch in Arizona is ruled a force out TD, the Browns win the division, and Anderson is looked at as the second coming of Christ. His value did take a hit the past two weeks, but if the Browns back in and Anderson plays well in the playoffs, his value is restored.I understand the people that think that Anderson isn't that good, but many people are treating him as if he is in his third or fourth year and this is make or break. The kid has done extremely well considering a year and a month ago he was floating around practice squads, and he never really got first team reps at all throughout mini camps and training camp. From a combine standpoint, he moves around well for a lanky dude, has a quick release, and has above average arm strength. He has enough intangibles (like leadership, a nice collection of wins this year, and some nice stats) to prove he at least deserves a tender.They may have some drops, but they also have a ton of targets. For every ball Braylon drops, he catches two that your garden variety receiver wouldn't (the TD against PIT is a great example.) You really think Anderson's completion % would be as high or higher in Miami than Cleveland?Also, I'm not pissing on Anderson because he's a Brown, I just don't think the guy is that good. If I'm complimenting Winslow and Edwards to prove the point, it isn't Browns-bashing, as a viewer of football, I'm not sold on Anderson. Don't sweat it.. from his rookie year, I was telling everyone that Roethlisberger was going to be a great QB, I had to endure the "game manager" bologna, told me I should have my head examined for insinuating I wouldn't trade him for Daunte Culpepper (where are you now, Hendo?) etc.....
I agree with you that Miami is crazy if they give the #1 overall for Anderson, even if it's not straight up. However, expecting what Atlanta got for Schaub is not out of the question.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I agree with much of this. I see Anderson as a very flawed QB, but he IS young and early in his career, and while I fear he'll never be a very accurate passer, I agree he deserves a tender, though I would be surprised if once all is said and done that someone is willing to give up a 1st and 3rd for him, unless it's a team like the 2007 pre-season Bears who choose 31st (or late enough to somewhat de-value the picks) and feel like they're a QB away from winning it all. I just don't see anyone like that this year.. most of the playoff teams are all but set or heavily invested at QB (Romo, Favre/Rodgers, Hasselbeck, E. Manning, Campbell, P. Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Garrard, V. Young.) Tampa is the only team I can see in the playoff hunt that isn't invested already in a QB for the long term, and Garcia has played so well there that I doubt they'd trade picks they can use to address obvious deficiencies at other positions.The thing is, Anderson could look a lot better if he was scaled back and given the game manager role. They may not have as many wins because he was forced to pass to keep up with what was in the first 3/4 of the season a horrible defense, but it is what it is. Dawson makes that kick in Oakland, Winslow's catch in Arizona is ruled a force out TD, the Browns win the division, and Anderson is looked at as the second coming of Christ. His value did take a hit the past two weeks, but if the Browns back in and Anderson plays well in the playoffs, his value is restored.I understand the people that think that Anderson isn't that good, but many people are treating him as if he is in his third or fourth year and this is make or break. The kid has done extremely well considering a year and a month ago he was floating around practice squads, and he never really got first team reps at all throughout mini camps and training camp. From a combine standpoint, he moves around well for a lanky dude, has a quick release, and has above average arm strength. He has enough intangibles (like leadership, a nice collection of wins this year, and some nice stats) to prove he at least deserves a tender.They may have some drops, but they also have a ton of targets. For every ball Braylon drops, he catches two that your garden variety receiver wouldn't (the TD against PIT is a great example.) You really think Anderson's completion % would be as high or higher in Miami than Cleveland?Also, I'm not pissing on Anderson because he's a Brown, I just don't think the guy is that good. If I'm complimenting Winslow and Edwards to prove the point, it isn't Browns-bashing, as a viewer of football, I'm not sold on Anderson. Don't sweat it.. from his rookie year, I was telling everyone that Roethlisberger was going to be a great QB, I had to endure the "game manager" bologna, told me I should have my head examined for insinuating I wouldn't trade him for Daunte Culpepper (where are you now, Hendo?) etc.....
I agree with you that Miami is crazy if they give the #1 overall for Anderson, even if it's not straight up. However, expecting what Atlanta got for Schaub is not out of the question.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
I mentioned in the Browns 2007 thread that Gruden loves his veteran QBs (Gannon, Brad Johnson, tried to get Plummer, Garcia) so I don't think that will happen. Gruden looked anything but comfortable trying to break in Simms too.
I think Atlanta, Carolina (Jeff Davidson knows Anderson well), Chicago, Minnesota, and the Jets may be in the mix for Anderson. Honestly, I think Miami is a long shot.
I think Atlanta, Carolina (Jeff Davidson knows Anderson well), Chicago, Minnesota, and the Jets may be in the mix for Anderson. Honestly, I think Miami is a long shot.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Agreed, but I think Minnesota likes what they see as far as Jackson's development. Atlanta, Carolina (if the Carr experiment is finally, mercifully over,) Chicago, and the Jets could be possible destinations, but I think they all draft high enough that they'll think they can get their QB of the future in the first round (Ryan, Woodson, Brohm, etc..) without giving up the additional pick, and get a guy with more upside to boot. Just one guy's guess.
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
I'm not expecting the standard issue 1st and 3rd when Anderson is given the tender. Something else will probably be negotiated if any of those teams want Anderson.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Really? His stats are only slightly better this year than last year. He has played better in recent games, but that shouldn't be enough to keep Minnesota from looking for an upgrade.I can't imagine Minnesota ever reaching a Superbowl with Jackson as QB. He's not even at the Dilfer level right now.Evilgrin 72 said:
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I agree with you, but most of the Minnesota homers I've heard from have seemed to be of the opinion that the team is encouraged by his elevated (comparatively) play of late and will address other areas in the draft/offseason.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I believe Sean Payton was the guy that found Romo.amnesiac said:it does sound crazy. was Parcells the one that found Romo though?fred_1_15301 said:This would be mindboggling to me if it happened.....
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I'm not sure it's flawed. I think you're stretching the developed term a bit. DA is not Peyton, but he's also not Brennan or even Beck on Miami. I'm saying DA has been in league for a few years and has a season as starter under his belt (successful, no?). QBs are always learning and trying to get better, or developing. I also thinks it's to his advantage that he's won with a bad defense and led comebacks, whether they fell just short or finished the job.But, I do think the #1 overall is a reach for DA, I'm just not ready to rule anything out.TommyGilmore said:
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
I just don't think he's anywhere close to what Bill Parcells would have in mind. He passed over Tony Romo for Drew Bledsoe and trotted out Vinny Testaverde long past his prime. Plus, John Beck is 2 years older than Anderson! LOL
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I'm talking value. The value of the top pick is worth more than most three first day picks combined. Any three third round picks and basically any three second round picks aren't worth the top pick, especially when the top pick could be Dorsey or McFadden. If you are vexed about the value of the top pick just ask if you would take three third or second round picks for either player. More DA/Romeo.
http://www.denverpost.com/williamson/ci_7824922
... Star of the year: Cleveland quarterback Derek Anderson. He has come out of nowhere for a huge year. A free agent, Anderson will be heavily sought ...
... Romeo, where art thou?
Believe the talk that Bill Parcells is interested in bringing in Cleveland coach Romeo Crennel to coach the Dolphins, but it will be difficult for Parcells to pry Crennel from the Browns. If Crennel were to go to Miami, possible replacements in Cleveland include defensive coordinator Todd Grantham and offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski. If Crennel doesn't end up in Miami, a name to watch is Dallas assistant Tony Sparano, who worked for Parcells with the Cowboys.
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If DA were slotted with the top rookie QBs taken over the last thirty years he would be in the top ten in terms of production. Top rookie QBs recently have struggled from VY's great rookie season to a snail-like development, or Matt Lienart who has seemed to regress. Alex Smith who started abismally then looked 'OK' then bad again. Marcus Russell with a terrible start and tons of money on the line.
Daunte Culpepper was starting but looks like he's near the end, Trent Green was starting but is done, 45 year old Vinny Testaverde was starting on three days practice, JP Loshman and others benched for rookies... The state of the starting QBs is in dire shape so the value of a guy like DA who was voted as first alternate to the Pro Bowl in his first year starting and looking at the state of the QBs in the league, shows his worth.
A deal of DA/Romeo and possibly extras for the Phins first pick could be arrainged. Coaches are not tradeable but their could be an agreement worked out where the Browns give up any rights to Crennel if the Dolphins trade their first pick for DA and some fillers.
It may be that people aren't aware of the sorry state of the starting QBs in the league and what the value of a guy like DA holds. I think its also possible that they aren't versed on the cost and struggles of top drafted QBs of late. If a team could opt out of using the top pick on a QB. One last thing, the Browns resigned third string QB Ken Dorsey to a three year contract.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm#
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POSTED 11:10 a.m. EST, December 27, 2007
WHAT DOES DORSEY EXTENSION MEAN?
On the surface, it wasn't a significant news item. So the Browns signed their third-string quarterback to a three-year extension.
So what?
Ken Dorsey was cut by Cleveland before the start of the season. The move prompted a public plea from rookie Brady Quinn to bring Dorsey back.
Calling it a "sad day," Quinn described Dorsey as "invaluable."
"You can't put a price on the things I think he brought to the table for us as a team. . . . He was a mentor, a friend, someone to help me out, not only here but off the field and everything," Quinn said at the time. "Just dealing with things, giving a lot of brotherly advice, that sort of thing. So you couldn't meet a better guy, a better teammate, a better person."
After opening-week starter Charlie Frye flamed out, resulting in a trade to Seattle, Dorsey returned.
So what does the move to keep Dorsey through 2010 mean? On one hand, it could be viewed as a sign that the Browns will look to move restricted free agent Derek Anderson in the offseason, since the deal puts Dorsey in position to be the long-term mentor for Quinn. On the other hand, the decision could be a precursor to a long-term contract with Anderson.
Why, you ask? Because even though the sock puppets have been presuming that the Browns could painlessly keep Anderson and Quinn for the next several years because Quinn has a manageable contract, Quinn's contract is based on the presumption that he'll be playing -- and thus earning those big-money incentives.
So if the Browns plan to squat on Quinn for the next four years, they'll need to otherwise keep him happy. And one way to do it is to have his pal Ken under contract.
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I don't know if a deal can be worked out but planets seem to be aligning where Romeo would go to the Tuna and bring along his starting QB and the Phins would save that huge chunk of cap change and make plays for guys like Berrian, etc. On the Browns end Chud would slid into the Browns head coaching chair and at the same time Quinn would take over for DA at QB, oh and the Browns could end up with McFadden or Glenn Dorsey which would be better than three third or second round picks.
