Rumor: Kolb to AZ (1 Viewer)

[massraider]

All the 'what has he proven' talk is so meaningless. How is Kolb going to 'prove' anything unless he's given the opportunity? And by opportunity, I'm not talking about a few spot starts here and there. Give him the reins, let him own the offense, and make the mistakes every new QB does as he completes the learning curve.

When you are talking about what trade value a veteran QB is worth, what he has proven is as far from meaningless as can be.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I prefer the Bulger move for Arizona. I think the Kolb trade will not help this team and that 1st could be top 5 again next year. Go with Bulger and let Skelton learn more. IN fact I think Skelton could be a better long term answer than Kolb in the end. Just not impressed with what I have seen from him.

(Rotoworld) After the Cardinals passed on a quarterback in the draft, coach Ken Whisenhunt still suggested he was uncomfortable with John Skelton in a key role.Whis knows that Skelton is not the answer.I think you can confidently cross him off of your short list.

 

[Sabertooth]

Done Deal.

 

[thriftyrocker]

All the 'what has he proven' talk is so meaningless. How is Kolb going to 'prove' anything unless he's given the opportunity? And by opportunity, I'm not talking about a few spot starts here and there. Give him the reins, let him own the offense, and make the mistakes every new QB does as he completes the learning curve.

When you are talking about what trade value a veteran QB is worth, what he has proven is as far from meaningless as can be.

So you're saying the Redskins robbed us? The NFL doesn't trade elite QBs in their prime. Even the Cutler trade was once a decade and he took Denver to 0 playoff appearances. The NFL does trade backups with upside that haven't been marked as failures yet.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Prefer year of Bulger, suck and then Luck.

LOL. How many teams will use that as their motto for 2011?

I'm fine using it as a Cards fan. Shows my expectations for this team in 2011..The longer this lockout goes, the less the Eagles will get for Kolb. Let's say the lockout goes a couple weeks before camp. Why on earth would a team part with a 1st round pick (plus) for a guy that won't have but a few weeks in a playbook when they can get him the next offseason for nothing??? There's zero reason to do it. Absolutely zero.

So many more options if you wait a year (you have the pick and option of signing Kolb).

JMO If the lockout does go into the summer, the Eagles have no shot landing a 1st round pick for Kolb. (I see more of a Cassel return irregardless). I don't see the ransom return (as indicated by some) with a prolonged lockout. The longer the lockout goes, the more the ball drifts away from the Eagle's court.

 

[Blackjacks]

Sorry to hijack this thread but where would everyone rank Fitz for dynasty and redraft if this trade happened?

 

[Grid71]

I prefer the Bulger move for Arizona. I think the Kolb trade will not help this team and that 1st could be top 5 again next year. Go with Bulger and let Skelton learn more. IN fact I think Skelton could be a better long term answer than Kolb in the end. Just not impressed with what I have seen from him.

Cards FO figures the team can go 8-8 with Kolb which will make them the division winner and earn a pick near the bottom of the draft. At least that's what I'm getting from reading LHUKS tea leaves.

 

[JetMaxx]

Sorry to hijack this thread but where would everyone rank Fitz for dynasty and redraft if this trade happened?

Top 5 but wasn't he there already?

 

[thriftyrocker]

Sorry to hijack this thread but where would everyone rank Fitz for dynasty and redraft if this trade happened?

Top 5 but wasn't he there already?

Biggest impact is to Housler, the rookie TE.

 

[NeverEnough]

Done Deal.

Link?

 

[DansRams]

Prefer year of Bulger, suck and then Luck.

LOL. How many teams will use that as their motto for 2011?

except for the Cards...it will be......Kolb, don't suck so no Luck, because LHuck....said so

 

[BusMan]

Source: Cardinals interested in quarterback Kyle Orton

PHOENIX - It's time to play guess who'll be the Cardinals quarterback next season and according to a source they have a new contestant.

The Channel 3 sports department has learned that the Cardinals have had preliminary contact with the Broncos about the availability of Kyle Orton.

A source tells 3TV’s Tim Ring, the discussions would not be categorized as serious but the Broncos believe the Cardinals have an interest in Orton as a “Plan B” if they can't work out a deal for Philadelphia Eagles' quarterback Kevin Kolb.

Orton has thrown 71 touchdown passes in a five-year career in Denver and Chicago.

Arizona smartly trying to drive down the Eagles asking price.

 

[Sabertooth]

Done Deal.

Link?

I meant that with the utmost sarcasm.

 

[Sabertooth]

Source: Cardinals interested in quarterback Kyle Orton

PHOENIX - It's time to play guess who'll be the Cardinals quarterback next season and according to a source they have a new contestant.

The Channel 3 sports department has learned that the Cardinals have had preliminary contact with the Broncos about the availability of Kyle Orton.

A source tells 3TV’s Tim Ring, the discussions would not be categorized as serious but the Broncos believe the Cardinals have an interest in Orton as a “Plan B” if they can't work out a deal for Philadelphia Eagles' quarterback Kevin Kolb.

Orton has thrown 71 touchdown passes in a five-year career in Denver and Chicago.

Arizona smartly trying to drive down the Eagles asking price.

Plus Orton is far more proven and probably better than Kolb.

 

[kylechoffman]

Source: Cardinals interested in quarterback Kyle Orton

PHOENIX - It's time to play guess who'll be the Cardinals quarterback next season and according to a source they have a new contestant.

The Channel 3 sports department has learned that the Cardinals have had preliminary contact with the Broncos about the availability of Kyle Orton.

A source tells 3TV’s Tim Ring, the discussions would not be categorized as serious but the Broncos believe the Cardinals have an interest in Orton as a “Plan B” if they can't work out a deal for Philadelphia Eagles' quarterback Kevin Kolb.

Orton has thrown 71 touchdown passes in a five-year career in Denver and Chicago.

Arizona smartly trying to drive down the Eagles asking price.

I would assume Arizona is as 'in-the-know' as the rest of the world in that there are plenty of other qbs that are available if Kolb demands too much. The press is, well the press and the press probably doesnt impact the Eagles stance on price. Orton, Hassel, Mcnabb, Bulger, VY, Kolb, Palmer. Plenty of options to pick from. Maybe if AZ passes on Kolb, the birds will try to stick it to them by sending him to seattle for less.

 

[unckeyherb]

Plus Orton is far more proven and probably better than Kolb.

Agree with the bolded. Not with the second part.

 

[Caveman_Nick]

I would assume Arizona is as 'in-the-know' as the rest of the world in that there are plenty of other qbs that are available if Kolb demands too much. The press is, well the press and the press probably doesnt impact the Eagles stance on price. Orton, Hassel, Mcnabb, Bulger, VY, Kolb, Palmer. Plenty of options to pick from. Maybe if AZ passes on Kolb, the birds will try to stick it to them by sending him to seattle for less.

Kolb has more upside than anyone on that list. Whether or not they would want Kolb or someone else on that list depends how an organization wants to position itself. It sounds to like anyone else listed there is a holdover candidate until the org. can draft the quarterback of the future.

 

[kylechoffman]

I would assume Arizona is as 'in-the-know' as the rest of the world in that there are plenty of other qbs that are available if Kolb demands too much. The press is, well the press and the press probably doesnt impact the Eagles stance on price. Orton, Hassel, Mcnabb, Bulger, VY, Kolb, Palmer. Plenty of options to pick from. Maybe if AZ passes on Kolb, the birds will try to stick it to them by sending him to seattle for less.

Kolb has more upside than anyone on that list. Whether or not they would want Kolb or someone else on that list depends how an organization wants to position itself. It sounds to like anyone else listed there is a holdover candidate until the org. can draft the quarterback of the future.

Totally agree - Arizona has been building well so to pickup of a FA amongst the other available qbs wouldnt necessarily align with their moves they have made in recent drafts. I think if money/ compensation is doable for them, they try to land Kolb to cement in their offense for the long term and leave the draft to other positions for the next several years.

 

[RoxSolid]

I have a pretty good sources within the Eagles (works with the team) who says the deal would be Kolb for Rodgers-Cromartie. Take it for what it's worth, didn't ask about any other details.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I would assume Arizona is as 'in-the-know' as the rest of the world in that there are plenty of other qbs that are available if Kolb demands too much. The press is, well the press and the press probably doesnt impact the Eagles stance on price.

Orton, Hassel, Mcnabb, Bulger, VY, Kolb, Palmer. Plenty of options to pick from. Maybe if AZ passes on Kolb, the birds will try to stick it to them by sending him to seattle for less.

That'll teach 'em.

 

[massraider]

All the 'what has he proven' talk is so meaningless. How is Kolb going to 'prove' anything unless he's given the opportunity? And by opportunity, I'm not talking about a few spot starts here and there. Give him the reins, let him own the offense, and make the mistakes every new QB does as he completes the learning curve.

When you are talking about what trade value a veteran QB is worth, what he has proven is as far from meaningless as can be.

So you're saying the Redskins robbed us?

I have no idea what that means. The previous poster's position is that what Kolb has proven is meaningless. I disagree, and I didn't think that was a particularly crazy position. If Eagles fans are talking about the Cards backing up the truck, and raining draft picks on Andy Reid, I think examining what Kolb has actually done is valid.

 

[JetMaxx]

So a rookie(Julio Jones) at a position with a notoriously high bust rate (WR) is worth 2 #1's, #2, 2 #4's? And a game ready QB with NFL action under his belt and 2 POW honors in 7 starts is worth much less? Someone help me with this....

 

[thriftyrocker]

All the 'what has he proven' talk is so meaningless. How is Kolb going to 'prove' anything unless he's given the opportunity? And by opportunity, I'm not talking about a few spot starts here and there. Give him the reins, let him own the offense, and make the mistakes every new QB does as he completes the learning curve.

When you are talking about what trade value a veteran QB is worth, what he has proven is as far from meaningless as can be.

So you're saying the Redskins robbed us?

I have no idea what that means.

Eagles traded a veteran QB with a lot of wins, PBs, etc. the previous year - i.e., was "proven". They are asking more for the upside guy than the proven guy. Upside is as valuable as being proven.As I said in the part you cut out, NFL teams don't trade elite QBs in their prime. They trade "proven" guys on the decline. They trade young guys with potential who aren't as good as their starter. Kolb is clearly in that second boat, and he is worth what the Eagles are asking for.

The previous poster's position is that what Kolb has proven is meaningless. I disagree, and I didn't think that was a particularly crazy position. If Eagles fans are talking about the Cards backing up the truck, and raining draft picks on Andy Reid, I think examining what Kolb has actually done is valid.

I agree the Eagles can't demand Cutler-value for Kolb. They aren't (they were in 2010 but not anymore). If you're just trying to harp on the one or two guys thinking a 1st+ isn't enough for Kolb, then sorry for impeding you.

 

[massraider]

I agree the Eagles can't demand Cutler-value for Kolb. They aren't (they were in 2010 but not anymore). If you're just trying to harp on the one or two guys thinking a 1st+ isn't enough for Kolb, then sorry for impeding you.

Actually, I think Kolb is worth a 1+, because I am sure at least one team thinks he is a ten year starter. He has shown enough that I think a team could think he is a franchise QB, and if a front office thinks that, a 1+ is more than fair. But I think people that think he is NOT worth it have a valid point:

1. The Eagles are one year away from getting nothing for him.

2. There are a whole bunch of teams that would have been interested a month ago, and now are not. That is not good when trying to get max compensation. The timing of the labor dispute really, really sucked for the Eagles.

3. Reid has a chicken salad out of chicken #### history at QB, that would give me something serious to think about. Looking good at QB for the Eagles doesn't seem to translate to other teams.

 

[Exit 1]

Done Deal.

 

[blackbird001]

All the 'what has he proven' talk is so meaningless. How is Kolb going to 'prove' anything unless he's given the opportunity? And by opportunity, I'm not talking about a few spot starts here and there. Give him the reins, let him own the offense, and make the mistakes every new QB does as he completes the learning curve.

When you are talking about what trade value a veteran QB is worth, what he has proven is as far from meaningless as can be.

So you're saying the Redskins robbed us?

I have no idea what that means. The previous poster's position is that what Kolb has proven is meaningless. I disagree, and I didn't think that was a particularly crazy position. If Eagles fans are talking about the Cards backing up the truck, and raining draft picks on Andy Reid, I think examining what Kolb has actually done is valid.

It's meaningless when talking about acquiring QB's. As has been discussed, Jay Cutler deals, simply don't happen. They are flukes that come along once in a long time. When going about acquiring a QB, you are either A) acquiring a guy past his prime (McNabb, Palmer, Etc.), B)drafting a college player (proven nothing), C)or you are trading for a guy in Kolb's shoes (Schaub, Hasselbeck, Favre, Etc.)We can debate whether the first scenario has any merit at all, but for the purpose of this discussion, it doesn't. Teams looking for option A have drafted a QB not ready for primetime and want to bring him along slowly or have a stud team everywhere else and are merely looking for a guy who doesn't have to win games, merely not lose them. Arizona almost could fit this profile in terms of getting out of the NFC West, but when talking about the cream of the NFC and the path to a championship, I would suspect they think they need a guy with upside.So with top QBs coming out each year and being drafted in the top half of the first round, it's absolutely correct for anyone to assume Kolb is worth a top half 1st rounder. What has he proven? If you take it in a vacuum and don't consider the film on him, the opinions around the league that decision makers trust (not the media) he's proven that he's an NFL caliber player. He doesn't get busted or run afoul with the law. He doesn't get addicted to drugs or have an alcohol problem. He's a leader who acquired the locker room and demonstrates leadership. He's been through several training camps and demonstrates the work ethic in the film room to succeed. He's driven. He's convinced one of the top three teams (from a management perspective) that they should turn the team over to him.That's why I say what he's generated in terms of stats or wins in meaningless. He is a success story waiting to unfold. Probably needs a year or two under his belt to fully develop, but every QB needs that so it's irrelevant. Seriously, barring the historic and unprecedented ascent of Vick, he'd be considered a QB1 lock for 2011.

 

[G-King]

If AZ ships a 1st for KK then every Eagles fan must be salivating. Feel sorry for the Cards if they are going to forego a future 1st rounder for Kolb. I would offer no more than a 3rd. If he was worth a 1st he would have taken the pass happy job in Philly and Vick would not have seen the field.

He was hurt and Vick got on the field. End of story.

Kolb sucks, end of story. But again, I would be all over fleecing AZ for a 1st rounder if I was a Philly fan.

You just got to love the insightful posts like these. Should we respond "DOES NOT!!"....Thanks for the props from some of you, and I respect most of the debate over Kolb in this thread. Although its easy to throw out "Kolb sucks" as an argument against him; its just as easy to get drunk and scream "Kolb is HOF". No one can be certain that either is going to happen so it seems that you should look at the traits, skills and mindset of the player to enable a educated guess on how he will do. Since a few want to throw out the negatives of Kolb as a way to support their "Kolb Sucks" indepth analysis, I'm willing to offer up a few things that makes me think he has a better than average chance to succeed.

1) From day 1 he has been a work horse at football. He was a coaches son who lived the QB roll from middle school on. In 13 years of playing, he was a leader on and off the field, and has never quit working on getting better. Even when Donovan was ahead of him, he would be on the field 30 minutes before everyone came out to throw balls with the back up QB to be warmed up and ready to run plays.

2) Reid loves this kid... Make no mistake about that. The way Kevin studies and runs practice makes him appreciate the person and player that he is. He didn't pull Kevin out after 10 plays and a concussion because he lacked confidence in him; he pulled him to prolong and protect his career! AR knew that he was going to get killed behind that sieve of an O Line, and no one ever said KK was going to outrun Vick in a foot race. The Eagles needed speed to make up for the lack of blocking,and Vick did an outstanding job. There are plenty of sound bites of Vick coming off the field after becoming the starter and it is Kolb that he goes to for advice. Why? Because he KNOWS what to do. Vick also knows that Kevin and he are tight friends and KK wants the best for him. Thats something that gets over looked is his character and team devotion. How much help do you think Favre was to Rodgers or any other QB that was ever demoted for the new guy? Most guys have a chip on their shoulder, and understandably so. You never hear him whine or complain; he just wants to help his team win.

3) He's smart and has a phenominal memory; learning playbooks and reads are natural to him. He often has to tell players where to be and help coach the younger guys. The dude doesn't forget anything away from the field and I believe it translates to his game. He WILL pick up the playbook for whatever team he goes to in record time.

4) He is EXTREMELY competitive. Wether its football, fishing, or pitching horse shoes, he will not give up.

5) He sets goals in football and he sets goals in his family life. You won't see him "making it rain" in strip clubs, or blowing $800,000 on a chunk of gold around his neck, or knocking up 3 different women and never paying child support. You will catch him regularly playing in the yard with his 2 baby girls or eating burgers at the local marina with his wife and kids; all after putting in a couple of hours in the gym and throwing passes.

6) He's in the best QB shape of his life. During this whole time he has been averaging 4 days a week in his own workout program. He hits it hard on the weights and then throws balls- ALOT of balls! He has a few local receivers come in to run routes and last Wednesday he completed 60 of 60 passes to a pretty salty TCU WR. I still can't decide which one was more impressive. (running 60 routes?!?!)

7) He may not have as many starts as some would like, but he has 4 YEARS of NFL experience. He's a veteran and is respected by his team as one, therefore he doesn't get rookie jitters. Actually he doesn't even hear the crowd when the game is going on because he gets so focused on what he is doing on the field.

Again, I'm not going to garauntee Peyton like greatness, but I don't expect Ryan Leaf suckage either.... I just think that variables that I listed above and have witnessed first hand, make me lean towards a prediction of success for him. Lots of people predicted greatness for #2 pick Ryan Leaf one year, and Tony Romo wasn't even drafted another. Who saw those career paths coming?

My point is no ones knows for sure that someone is going to "Suck"..... you just have to let the games play out, and remember that there is more to a players greatness than he controls. If it was all the player, explain the Randy Moss stint in Oakland?

 

[blackbird001]

If AZ ships a 1st for KK then every Eagles fan must be salivating. Feel sorry for the Cards if they are going to forego a future 1st rounder for Kolb. I would offer no more than a 3rd. If he was worth a 1st he would have taken the pass happy job in Philly and Vick would not have seen the field.

He was hurt and Vick got on the field. End of story.

Kolb sucks, end of story. But again, I would be all over fleecing AZ for a 1st rounder if I was a Philly fan.

You just got to love the insightful posts like these. Should we respond "DOES NOT!!"....Thanks for the props from some of you, and I respect most of the debate over Kolb in this thread. Although its easy to throw out "Kolb sucks" as an argument against him; its just as easy to get drunk and scream "Kolb is HOF". No one can be certain that either is going to happen so it seems that you should look at the traits, skills and mindset of the player to enable a educated guess on how he will do. Since a few want to throw out the negatives of Kolb as a way to support their "Kolb Sucks" indepth analysis, I'm willing to offer up a few things that makes me think he has a better than average chance to succeed.

1) From day 1 he has been a work horse at football. He was a coaches son who lived the QB roll from middle school on. In 13 years of playing, he was a leader on and off the field, and has never quit working on getting better. Even when Donovan was ahead of him, he would be on the field 30 minutes before everyone came out to throw balls with the back up QB to be warmed up and ready to run plays.

2) Reid loves this kid... Make no mistake about that. The way Kevin studies and runs practice makes him appreciate the person and player that he is. He didn't pull Kevin out after 10 plays and a concussion because he lacked confidence in him; he pulled him to prolong and protect his career! AR knew that he was going to get killed behind that sieve of an O Line, and no one ever said KK was going to outrun Vick in a foot race. The Eagles needed speed to make up for the lack of blocking,and Vick did an outstanding job. There are plenty of sound bites of Vick coming off the field after becoming the starter and it is Kolb that he goes to for advice. Why? Because he KNOWS what to do. Vick also knows that Kevin and he are tight friends and KK wants the best for him. Thats something that gets over looked is his character and team devotion. How much help do you think Favre was to Rodgers or any other QB that was ever demoted for the new guy? Most guys have a chip on their shoulder, and understandably so. You never hear him whine or complain; he just wants to help his team win.

3) He's smart and has a phenominal memory; learning playbooks and reads are natural to him. He often has to tell players where to be and help coach the younger guys. The dude doesn't forget anything away from the field and I believe it translates to his game. He WILL pick up the playbook for whatever team he goes to in record time.

4) He is EXTREMELY competitive. Wether its football, fishing, or pitching horse shoes, he will not give up.

5) He sets goals in football and he sets goals in his family life. You won't see him "making it rain" in strip clubs, or blowing $800,000 on a chunk of gold around his neck, or knocking up 3 different women and never paying child support. You will catch him regularly playing in the yard with his 2 baby girls or eating burgers at the local marina with his wife and kids; all after putting in a couple of hours in the gym and throwing passes.

6) He's in the best QB shape of his life. During this whole time he has been averaging 4 days a week in his own workout program. He hits it hard on the weights and then throws balls- ALOT of balls! He has a few local receivers come in to run routes and last Wednesday he completed 60 of 60 passes to a pretty salty TCU WR. I still can't decide which one was more impressive. (running 60 routes?!?!)

7) He may not have as many starts as some would like, but he has 4 YEARS of NFL experience. He's a veteran and is respected by his team as one, therefore he doesn't get rookie jitters. Actually he doesn't even hear the crowd when the game is going on because he gets so focused on what he is doing on the field.

Again, I'm not going to garauntee Peyton like greatness, but I don't expect Ryan Leaf suckage either.... I just think that variables that I listed above and have witnessed first hand, make me lean towards a prediction of success for him. Lots of people predicted greatness for #2 pick Ryan Leaf one year, and Tony Romo wasn't even drafted another. Who saw those career paths coming?

My point is no ones knows for sure that someone is going to "Suck"..... you just have to let the games play out, and remember that there is more to a players greatness than he controls. If it was all the player, explain the Randy Moss stint in Oakland?

This.

 

[Ned]

If AZ ships a 1st for KK then every Eagles fan must be salivating. Feel sorry for the Cards if they are going to forego a future 1st rounder for Kolb. I would offer no more than a 3rd. If he was worth a 1st he would have taken the pass happy job in Philly and Vick would not have seen the field.

He was hurt and Vick got on the field. End of story.

Kolb sucks, end of story. But again, I would be all over fleecing AZ for a 1st rounder if I was a Philly fan.

You just got to love the insightful posts like these. Should we respond "DOES NOT!!"....Thanks for the props from some of you, and I respect most of the debate over Kolb in this thread. Although its easy to throw out "Kolb sucks" as an argument against him; its just as easy to get drunk and scream "Kolb is HOF". No one can be certain that either is going to happen so it seems that you should look at the traits, skills and mindset of the player to enable a educated guess on how he will do. Since a few want to throw out the negatives of Kolb as a way to support their "Kolb Sucks" indepth analysis, I'm willing to offer up a few things that makes me think he has a better than average chance to succeed.

1) From day 1 he has been a work horse at football. He was a coaches son who lived the QB roll from middle school on. In 13 years of playing, he was a leader on and off the field, and has never quit working on getting better. Even when Donovan was ahead of him, he would be on the field 30 minutes before everyone came out to throw balls with the back up QB to be warmed up and ready to run plays.

2) Reid loves this kid... Make no mistake about that. The way Kevin studies and runs practice makes him appreciate the person and player that he is. He didn't pull Kevin out after 10 plays and a concussion because he lacked confidence in him; he pulled him to prolong and protect his career! AR knew that he was going to get killed behind that sieve of an O Line, and no one ever said KK was going to outrun Vick in a foot race. The Eagles needed speed to make up for the lack of blocking,and Vick did an outstanding job. There are plenty of sound bites of Vick coming off the field after becoming the starter and it is Kolb that he goes to for advice. Why? Because he KNOWS what to do. Vick also knows that Kevin and he are tight friends and KK wants the best for him. Thats something that gets over looked is his character and team devotion. How much help do you think Favre was to Rodgers or any other QB that was ever demoted for the new guy? Most guys have a chip on their shoulder, and understandably so. You never hear him whine or complain; he just wants to help his team win.

3) He's smart and has a phenominal memory; learning playbooks and reads are natural to him. He often has to tell players where to be and help coach the younger guys. The dude doesn't forget anything away from the field and I believe it translates to his game. He WILL pick up the playbook for whatever team he goes to in record time.

4) He is EXTREMELY competitive. Wether its football, fishing, or pitching horse shoes, he will not give up.

5) He sets goals in football and he sets goals in his family life. You won't see him "making it rain" in strip clubs, or blowing $800,000 on a chunk of gold around his neck, or knocking up 3 different women and never paying child support. You will catch him regularly playing in the yard with his 2 baby girls or eating burgers at the local marina with his wife and kids; all after putting in a couple of hours in the gym and throwing passes.

6) He's in the best QB shape of his life. During this whole time he has been averaging 4 days a week in his own workout program. He hits it hard on the weights and then throws balls- ALOT of balls! He has a few local receivers come in to run routes and last Wednesday he completed 60 of 60 passes to a pretty salty TCU WR. I still can't decide which one was more impressive. (running 60 routes?!?!)

7) He may not have as many starts as some would like, but he has 4 YEARS of NFL experience. He's a veteran and is respected by his team as one, therefore he doesn't get rookie jitters. Actually he doesn't even hear the crowd when the game is going on because he gets so focused on what he is doing on the field.

Again, I'm not going to garauntee Peyton like greatness, but I don't expect Ryan Leaf suckage either.... I just think that variables that I listed above and have witnessed first hand, make me lean towards a prediction of success for him. Lots of people predicted greatness for #2 pick Ryan Leaf one year, and Tony Romo wasn't even drafted another. Who saw those career paths coming?

My point is no ones knows for sure that someone is going to "Suck"..... you just have to let the games play out, and remember that there is more to a players greatness than he controls. If it was all the player, explain the Randy Moss stint in Oakland?

Great stuff. Thank you.

 

[renesauz]

I'd still rather trade Vick, but if we gotta trade KK, I wanna see at LEAST a 1+ something else (conditional pick or player). He's absolutely worth it.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

I'd still rather trade Vick, but if we gotta trade KK, I wanna see at LEAST a 1+ something else (conditional pick or player). He's absolutely worth it.

I think my head would explode if the Browns gave a 1st for Kolb.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

If AZ ships a 1st for KK then every Eagles fan must be salivating. Feel sorry for the Cards if they are going to forego a future 1st rounder for Kolb. I would offer no more than a 3rd. If he was worth a 1st he would have taken the pass happy job in Philly and Vick would not have seen the field.

He was hurt and Vick got on the field. End of story.

Kolb sucks, end of story. But again, I would be all over fleecing AZ for a 1st rounder if I was a Philly fan.

You just got to love the insightful posts like these. Should we respond "DOES NOT!!"....Thanks for the props from some of you, and I respect most of the debate over Kolb in this thread. Although its easy to throw out "Kolb sucks" as an argument against him; its just as easy to get drunk and scream "Kolb is HOF". No one can be certain that either is going to happen so it seems that you should look at the traits, skills and mindset of the player to enable a educated guess on how he will do. Since a few want to throw out the negatives of Kolb as a way to support their "Kolb Sucks" indepth analysis, I'm willing to offer up a few things that makes me think he has a better than average chance to succeed.

1) From day 1 he has been a work horse at football. He was a coaches son who lived the QB roll from middle school on. In 13 years of playing, he was a leader on and off the field, and has never quit working on getting better. Even when Donovan was ahead of him, he would be on the field 30 minutes before everyone came out to throw balls with the back up QB to be warmed up and ready to run plays.

2) Reid loves this kid... Make no mistake about that. The way Kevin studies and runs practice makes him appreciate the person and player that he is. He didn't pull Kevin out after 10 plays and a concussion because he lacked confidence in him; he pulled him to prolong and protect his career! AR knew that he was going to get killed behind that sieve of an O Line, and no one ever said KK was going to outrun Vick in a foot race. The Eagles needed speed to make up for the lack of blocking,and Vick did an outstanding job. There are plenty of sound bites of Vick coming off the field after becoming the starter and it is Kolb that he goes to for advice. Why? Because he KNOWS what to do. Vick also knows that Kevin and he are tight friends and KK wants the best for him. Thats something that gets over looked is his character and team devotion. How much help do you think Favre was to Rodgers or any other QB that was ever demoted for the new guy? Most guys have a chip on their shoulder, and understandably so. You never hear him whine or complain; he just wants to help his team win.

3) He's smart and has a phenominal memory; learning playbooks and reads are natural to him. He often has to tell players where to be and help coach the younger guys. The dude doesn't forget anything away from the field and I believe it translates to his game. He WILL pick up the playbook for whatever team he goes to in record time.

4) He is EXTREMELY competitive. Wether its football, fishing, or pitching horse shoes, he will not give up.

5) He sets goals in football and he sets goals in his family life. You won't see him "making it rain" in strip clubs, or blowing $800,000 on a chunk of gold around his neck, or knocking up 3 different women and never paying child support. You will catch him regularly playing in the yard with his 2 baby girls or eating burgers at the local marina with his wife and kids; all after putting in a couple of hours in the gym and throwing passes.

6) He's in the best QB shape of his life. During this whole time he has been averaging 4 days a week in his own workout program. He hits it hard on the weights and then throws balls- ALOT of balls! He has a few local receivers come in to run routes and last Wednesday he completed 60 of 60 passes to a pretty salty TCU WR. I still can't decide which one was more impressive. (running 60 routes?!?!)

7) He may not have as many starts as some would like, but he has 4 YEARS of NFL experience. He's a veteran and is respected by his team as one, therefore he doesn't get rookie jitters. Actually he doesn't even hear the crowd when the game is going on because he gets so focused on what he is doing on the field.

Again, I'm not going to garauntee Peyton like greatness, but I don't expect Ryan Leaf suckage either.... I just think that variables that I listed above and have witnessed first hand, make me lean towards a prediction of success for him. Lots of people predicted greatness for #2 pick Ryan Leaf one year, and Tony Romo wasn't even drafted another. Who saw those career paths coming?

My point is no ones knows for sure that someone is going to "Suck"..... you just have to let the games play out, and remember that there is more to a players greatness than he controls. If it was all the player, explain the Randy Moss stint in Oakland?

I don't expect greatness nor suckage. I just think the longer the lockout goes, the less the Eagles will get. Unfortunately the lockout forbid the Eagles from capitalizing on the prime time to deal him (and they would have gotten and 1st+ unquestionably because it provides Kolb a full offseason to get in the new playbook). No team is going to give a 1st plus (3rd?) if the lockout extends to the beginning of camp. Just not going to happen. Better off waiting til next offseason when they can get him for free.

The lockout is the Eagles worst enemy with the Kolb situation. Earlier it ends (FA/trading opens), the more they'll get. I see more of Cassel return for them (as I assume this lockout will extend into summer). Some one brought up DRC for Kolb (haven't heard that one, but makes some sense if the Eagles don't get the ex-Raider DB in FA)

 

[Gopher State]

sounds like Beannie and a number one pick to the eagles, good for philly

 

[scratcher]

sounds like Beannie and a number one pick to the eagles, good for philly

according to whom?

 

[fruity pebbles]

sounds like Beannie and a number one pick to the eagles, good for philly

according to whom?

nobody. hes just trying to stir things up.

 

[massraider]

From Kent Somers:

Setting a trade value for Kevin Kolb Arizona Cardinals update:Quarterback Michael Vick's backup had a promising future. A few months shy of his 26th birthday, the backup was coveted even though he had started only two games in three years and had as many touchdown passes in his career as interceptions (6).He had no future with his current team, not as long as Vick was playing well, and in a league full of teams desperate for quarterbacks, it made sense to trade him before his contract expired.So the Falcons sent Matt Schaub to Houston. The teams swapped first-round picks, with Atlanta going from 10th to eighth, and the Falcons received a second round selection that year (2007) and another in 2008.Before the deal was finalized, the Texans agreed to an 8-year, $48 million deal with Schaub.That was four years ago, a month before the 2007 draft, but the trade could serve as a template whenever the Cardinals are allowed to call the Eagles about Kevin Kolb.Kolb is in a situation eerily similar to that of Schaub in 2007. Kolb turns 27 in August, and Like Schaub, he's playing behind Vick. Like Schaub, Kolb's team wants to trade him. Like Schaub, Kolb is unproven. He's played in 19 games in four years, including seven starts over the last two.In 2010, he had as many interceptions as touchdown passes (7). He suffered a concussion in the season opener was eventually replaced by Vick. There is no question the Cardinals are interested, and I get the feeling Kolb is their first choice to be their starter in 2011.The Cardinals liked Kolb when he was coming out of the University of Houston, and he has the type of personality (gym rat) that Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt likes in a quarterback. The Cardinals are leery, however, of what the Eagles might want for Kolb. If the Eagles want to use the Schaub trade as a template, I think the Cardinals would be interested. The value of the Cardinals second-round selections in the next two drafts is unknown, which will complicate trade talks. The problems are unique but not insurmountable. Maybe the Cardinals gamble a bit by agreeing to part with their first-round pick in 2012. With competent quarterbacking in a bad division, the Cardinals could make the playoffs, which means their first-round pick would be in the bottom third.Or maybe the Eagles protect themselves a bit by asking for more than two second-rounders and change.My guess is that the Cardinals call the Eagles as soon as they are allowed. They can't afford for this to be a long process. They will want a quick resolution, because if they can't get Kolb, they will want to pursue Marc Bulger, Kyle Orton or Matt Hasselbeck before they are off the market.

 

[Donnybrook]

As an Eagles fan, I'd be very disappointed if all they receive for Kolb is a 1 and 4. VERY dispointed. The guy was the 36th pick the draft, the Eagles train and teach him for 4 yrs to become game ready and they move him for a potential(at best) mid first and a useless 4th? No thanks. The guy leads AZ to the playoffs and the Eagles are drafting a project DL or OL with the late first. This has to start with the talk at 2 #1's from AZ and we'll go from there.

Adam Caplan suspects the Eagles want a starter plus a 2012 first round pick. He mentions Greg Toler or Beanie Wells.http://www.rotoworld...e=204119&spln=1

The 2012 draft looks very promising for QB prospects besides Luck. The longer the lockout continues the less time they have to prepare a new QB for the season (if their is a season). Maybe in a normal season that might sound ok but in a truncated season I say it is way too much.

 

[moleculo]

Kevin Kolb: Schaub-like or Feeley-ish?

May 13th, 2011 | Author: Khaled Elsayed

As I’ve stated elsewhere, I was a fan of the Atlanta Falcons trading the farm to pick up a guy they thought would make them a better team. I can get behind that ethos, even though I haven’t seen Julio Jones play in the NFL (my PFF contract includes a “no college football” clause as I’m chained to the desk watching the NFL).

So then it may surprise people how much I’m against the idea of a team swapping a first round pick for Kevin Kolb. Simply put, it would amaze me to see a team pass on the potential of a top draft selection in favor of the more proven Kolb, who has seven career starts to his name. When you really break him down, there’s nothing about the way he has played to suggest he’ll be any more Matt Schaub than A.J. Feeley.

Pretty big statement, allow me to try and back it up.

...(statistical breakdown continues - read article for further details).

 

[massraider]

Kevin Kolb: Schaub-like or Feeley-ish?

Dang. That's some serious research there.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Peter King was on Sirius NFL this am and said that he does not think the Eagles will trade Kolb because he said they are looking for at least two 2nds and nobody is willing to offer that.

 

[We Tigers]

Peter King was on Sirius NFL this am and said that he does not think the Eagles will trade Kolb because he said they are looking for at least two 2nds and nobody is willing to offer that.

I guess that's not too surprising, given that there are all of maybe 6 teams that could realistically have interest, considering how many teams scooped up QBs in the draft.

 

[ookook]

I wonder what the asking price of Orton might be?

 

[moleculo]

I wonder what the asking price of Orton might be?

Speculation is a #2, but i'd bet he could be had for a #3.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Eagles ask for first: No thanks and look to Orton, Hass, Bulger and towards 2012 draft.

Eagles ask for 2nd+: Listen.

 

[G-King]

Arizona is going to give their first for him, plus some...

Eagles will wisely accept it.

 

[bushdocda]

Arizona is going to give their first for him, plus some...Eagles will wisely accept it.

Someday.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Can one of the mods change the subtitle of this thread? I realize LHUCKS likes to fish and antagonize folks but it's nowhere near a "done deal".

 

[cheese]

Arizona is going to give their first for him, plus some...Eagles will wisely accept it.

I'm not doubting you, but by the time this is even allowed do you think they will catch on that they are bidding against themselves? Arizona is the one team who would even consider giving a 1st for Kolb and now they'd be giving that plus some?

 

[scratcher]

Arizona is going to give their first for him, plus some...Eagles will wisely accept it.

I'm not doubting you, but by the time this is even allowed do you think they will catch on that they are bidding against themselves? Arizona is the one team who would even consider giving a 1st for Kolb and now they'd be giving that plus some?

Cardinals, Seahawks, Browns, Dolphins, Bills, Redskins could all use a QB. I dont see all those teams competing for Kolb. But realistically, the Cardinals, Seahawks, Dolphins and Bills would be interested in Kolb. The fact that two of those teams that are most likely to bid for Kolb are in the same division will drive up the price for him alone.

 

[G-King]

Arizona is going to give their first for him, plus some...Eagles will wisely accept it.

I'm not doubting you, but by the time this is even allowed do you think they will catch on that they are bidding against themselves? Arizona is the one team who would even consider giving a 1st for Kolb and now they'd be giving that plus some?

There are other teams making offers too, but this is still the NFL with owners and GM's that talk out of both sides of their mouth. Could everything that has already been verbally agreed upon not come to fruition? Absolutely- It happens every year. But until we hear otherwise I am going to lean towards what has been said; even at the risk of some GM totally D-bagging the process.