Rumor: Kolb to AZ (1 Viewer)

[Amused to Death]

Arizona is going to give their first for him, plus some...

Eagles will wisely accept it.

I'm not doubting you, but by the time this is even allowed do you think they will catch on that they are bidding against themselves? Arizona is the one team who would even consider giving a 1st for Kolb and now they'd be giving that plus some?

Even if no other teams were involved, they have to make the compensation worth it for the Eagles to even deal him. He's worth something to them as a backup.

 

[dhockster]

Arizona is going to give their first for him, plus some...

Eagles will wisely accept it.

I'm not doubting you, but by the time this is even allowed do you think they will catch on that they are bidding against themselves? Arizona is the one team who would even consider giving a 1st for Kolb and now they'd be giving that plus some?

Even if no other teams were involved, they have to make the compensation worth it for the Eagles to even deal him. He's worth something to them as a backup.

Exactly. It's not like the Eagles are in a trade him or cut him situation. He has value to them if he were to stay as a

back-up this season.

 

[wadegarrett]

Mike Lombardi says Kevin Kolb isn’t worth a first-round pick

ProFootballtalk.com

Posted by Evan Silva on May 20, 2011, 8:08 PM

Kevin Kolb is expected to be the hottest player available on the 2011 quarterback market, whenever it opens. But there are questions about whether he deserves that distinction after seven NFL starts that have produced mixed results.

The Eagles’ rumored asking price is a first-round pick and a starter on defense.

NFL Network’s Mike Lombardi doesn’t believe Kolb is worth that much.

“It’s hard to watch tape on Kevin Kolb and think he’s worth a first-round pick,” Lombardi told 620 KTAR in Arizona. “It’s going to require somebody selling him in the building and someone has to know him.”

Lombardi’s comments about Kolb’s film are similar to the opinion expressed by Gregg Rosenthal on PFT Live Friday, after Rosenthal watched all of Kolb’s 2010 snaps.

“When you study the tape on Kolb, it’s not overly impressive,” Lombardi continued. “It’s very disappointing at times. I know Philadelphia doesn’t like me when I say this: I think ultimately if (Kolb) did have to play (last year) Philly would’ve been a 7-9 team. If it wasn’t for Michael Vick it would have been bad.”

While most national analysts and reporters consider the Arizona Cardinals the favorites to acquire Kolb — and severely overpay, in the opinions of Lombardi and Rosenthal — Lombardi projects Kolb to land somewhere else.

“I’m going to go Cleveland,” he said. “I’m not buying the Colt McCoy love affair going on in Cleveland. I don’t know how you can have the love affair. I think with the extra pick they got from Atlanta, that first-rounder, it’s gonna be hard to beat them in a poker game.”

Lombardi predicts Kolb to the Browns, and free agent Marc Bulger to sign with the Cardinals.

Link

 

[djmich]

Arizona is going to give their first for him, plus some...

Eagles will wisely accept it.

I'm not doubting you, but by the time this is even allowed do you think they will catch on that they are bidding against themselves? Arizona is the one team who would even consider giving a 1st for Kolb and now they'd be giving that plus some?

Even if no other teams were involved, they have to make the compensation worth it for the Eagles to even deal him. He's worth something to them as a backup.

Exactly. It's not like the Eagles are in a trade him or cut him situation. He has value to them if he were to stay as a

back-up this season.

It would be poor asset management if they didn't move him. Look at it this way, if they didn't have a backup would they move a 1st or a 2nd round pick next year to obtain a backup QB. I don't think so, why wouldn't they trade away one for the same compensation, one that is a FA at year end.

 

[kutta]

Mike Lombardi says Kevin Kolb isn’t worth a first-round pick

ProFootballtalk.com

Posted by Evan Silva on May 20, 2011, 8:08 PM

Kevin Kolb is expected to be the hottest player available on the 2011 quarterback market, whenever it opens. But there are questions about whether he deserves that distinction after seven NFL starts that have produced mixed results.

The Eagles’ rumored asking price is a first-round pick and a starter on defense.

NFL Network’s Mike Lombardi doesn’t believe Kolb is worth that much.

“It’s hard to watch tape on Kevin Kolb and think he’s worth a first-round pick,” Lombardi told 620 KTAR in Arizona. “It’s going to require somebody selling him in the building and someone has to know him.”

Lombardi’s comments about Kolb’s film are similar to the opinion expressed by Gregg Rosenthal on PFT Live Friday, after Rosenthal watched all of Kolb’s 2010 snaps.

“When you study the tape on Kolb, it’s not overly impressive,” Lombardi continued. “It’s very disappointing at times. I know Philadelphia doesn’t like me when I say this: I think ultimately if (Kolb) did have to play (last year) Philly would’ve been a 7-9 team. If it wasn’t for Michael Vick it would have been bad.”

While most national analysts and reporters consider the Arizona Cardinals the favorites to acquire Kolb — and severely overpay, in the opinions of Lombardi and Rosenthal — Lombardi projects Kolb to land somewhere else.

“I’m going to go Cleveland,” he said. “I’m not buying the Colt McCoy love affair going on in Cleveland. I don’t know how you can have the love affair. I think with the extra pick they got from Atlanta, that first-rounder, it’s gonna be hard to beat them in a poker game.”

Lombardi predicts Kolb to the Browns, and free agent Marc Bulger to sign with the Cardinals.

Link

Bulger to AZ would not surprise me. Before Kolb was a "sure thing" to AZ, we were hearing that Bulger was a sure thing.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Kevin Kolb: Schaub-like or Feeley-ish?

Dang. That's some serious research there.

Way too stat-heavy. For a QB with minimal starts, you have to watch how he actually played as a starter and not look solely at the numbers. Ironic that his opening paragraph stated he is "chained to a desk watching the NFL". Stats certainly tell part of the story, but lumping in a full season's worth of numbers when some games he started and others he came in as a reliever mess up the results. I've watched all of his games and preseason snaps, and he looks the part of a solid WCO pocket passer. Without good protection, way different story (and the Philly O-line had protection problems in 2010, one of the key reasons Vick kept the job over Kolb last year - at least at first).

Arizona IIRC is working on their O-line, and if they get Kolb under center with Fitz, a new TE and another pass catcher in the backfield he can do some nice work - much like Schaub.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Arizona is going to give their first for him, plus some...

Eagles will wisely accept it.

I'm not doubting you, but by the time this is even allowed do you think they will catch on that they are bidding against themselves? Arizona is the one team who would even consider giving a 1st for Kolb and now they'd be giving that plus some?

Even if no other teams were involved, they have to make the compensation worth it for the Eagles to even deal him. He's worth something to them as a backup.

Exactly. It's not like the Eagles are in a trade him or cut him situation. He has value to them if he were to stay as a

back-up this season.

It would be poor asset management if they didn't move him. Look at it this way, if they didn't have a backup would they move a 1st or a 2nd round pick next year to obtain a backup QB. I don't think so, why wouldn't they trade away one for the same compensation, one that is a FA at year end.

1st or 2nd round pick (starter) for the next 3-4 years > 1 year of backup duty of Kevin Kolb

There's nothing to show this is a playoff team with Kolb under center. I agree with what I read elsewhere this week -- this is a .500 team with Kolb starting under center.

He's not worth more than what KC gave for Cassel. The longer the lockout goes.....the less the Eagles will get. That's the reality of the situation.

 

[identikit]

Citing a source, Mike Jurecki of XTRA 910 in Phoenix reports that the Cardinals "are prepared" to offer Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie "straight up" for Kevin Kolb when free agency kicks off.

"Patrick Peterson is a better football player than than DRC right now," added Jurecki. "He's not afraid to hit." Jurecki also confirmed that Matt Hasselbeck and Kyle Orton are on the Cardinals' "short list" if they can't acquire Kolb, but insisted that "Kolb is the guy" the team will pursue first. The Cards might plan to offer Rodgers-Cromartie straight up, but that doesn't mean the Eagles would pull the trigger. Reports all offseason have indicated that Philadelphia wants a high future draft pick as well. Jul 18, 7:56 PM

Source:

XTRA 910 Phoenix



http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4715/dominique-rodgers-cromartie

 

[Bob Magaw]

Citing a source, Mike Jurecki of XTRA 910 in Phoenix reports that the Cardinals "are prepared" to offer Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie "straight up" for Kevin Kolb when free agency kicks off.

"Patrick Peterson is a better football player than than DRC right now," added Jurecki. "He's not afraid to hit." Jurecki also confirmed that Matt Hasselbeck and Kyle Orton are on the Cardinals' "short list" if they can't acquire Kolb, but insisted that "Kolb is the guy" the team will pursue first. The Cards might plan to offer Rodgers-Cromartie straight up, but that doesn't mean the Eagles would pull the trigger. Reports all offseason have indicated that Philadelphia wants a high future draft pick as well. Jul 18, 7:56 PM

Source:

XTRA 910 Phoenix



http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4715/dominique-rodgers-cromartie

samuel & DRC could be nasty, and would help defend the talented WRs of the cowboys (austin/bryant) & giants (nicks/smith/manningham)...samuel is 30 & DRC 25... daryl washington's name was thrown out, and he is very talented, but PHI historically (reid era) seem to covet DB & DL more than LB... and they could be pretty good with chaney, bradley & matthews...

DRC could be a lot to give up (played poorly last year, but liked like an ascendant player and future star in 2009), especially if they needed to add a draft pick, but the cards have to secure a QB more than about any team in the league... orton is likely better value, but kolb may have more upside...

that offense would INSTANTLY look dramatically different with kolb and good looking rookie ryan williams in the RB mix...

 

[Nero]

Dont envision a playoff caliber team going with Kolb. I think the pressure is mounting on Wiz and he'll go with a proven commodity. I think its an upset if McNabb or Hass is not the QB in Arizona.

 

[massraider]

Dont envision a playoff caliber team going with Kolb. I think the pressure is mounting on Wiz and he'll go with a proven commodity. I think its an upset if McNabb or Hass is not the QB in Arizona.

Even if that proven commodity is proven to be not good? I have doubts (or questions) about Kolb, but I'd take him over McNabb in a second. It is pretty apparent that McNabb is not a leader. It might not come out till after he is retired, but there is just something wrong with him. I don't think players believe in him, and I think he was real lucky to play for Andy Reid most of his career. It hid a lot of his warts for a long time. Hass at this point should just be a great backup, he might have one year left, but I think more likely he enters the Cris Chandler concussion-if-the-wind-blows-wrong phase of his career. Bottom line, the Cards have already decided if they think Kolb is the real deal. The rest of us are only guessing at their opinion of him. It only takes on playoff caliber team to decide that he is a franchise guy, and make a move for him. He'll be starting for a team next year, and it'll probably be a team with some decent talent, because that team has to be attractive enough for Kolb to sign a long term deal with. Sidenote: Does DRC have a rep as shying away from contact? What is it with that family?

 

[Nero]

Dont envision a playoff caliber team going with Kolb. I think the pressure is mounting on Wiz and he'll go with a proven commodity. I think its an upset if McNabb or Hass is not the QB in Arizona.

Even if that proven commodity is proven to be not good? I have doubts (or questions) about Kolb, but I'd take him over McNabb in a second. It is pretty apparent that McNabb is not a leader. It might not come out till after he is retired, but there is just something wrong with him. I don't think players believe in him, and I think he was real lucky to play for Andy Reid most of his career. It hid a lot of his warts for a long time. Hass at this point should just be a great backup, he might have one year left, but I think more likely he enters the Cris Chandler concussion-if-the-wind-blows-wrong phase of his career. Bottom line, the Cards have already decided if they think Kolb is the real deal. The rest of us are only guessing at their opinion of him. It only takes on playoff caliber team to decide that he is a franchise guy, and make a move for him. He'll be starting for a team next year, and it'll probably be a team with some decent talent, because that team has to be attractive enough for Kolb to sign a long term deal with. Sidenote: Does DRC have a rep as shying away from contact? What is it with that family?

Something wrong with McNabb, who is a 6 time pro bowler despite the fact that the only receivers to average more than 60 yards a game during his tenure in Philly are TO, DJax, and Stallworth. How long did he play with them? I think Reid is the lucky one. So he goes to Washington and the one decent receiver on the team has a career year. No way Kolb should be considered a better option than McNabb for 2011. McNabb starts for either Miami or Arizona this year. Kolb will be Washington or Seattle.

 

[BusMan]

Dont envision a playoff caliber team going with Kolb. I think the pressure is mounting on Wiz and he'll go with a proven commodity. I think its an upset if McNabb or Hass is not the QB in Arizona.

Even if that proven commodity is proven to be not good? I have doubts (or questions) about Kolb, but I'd take him over McNabb in a second. It is pretty apparent that McNabb is not a leader. It might not come out till after he is retired, but there is just something wrong with him. I don't think players believe in him, and I think he was real lucky to play for Andy Reid most of his career. It hid a lot of his warts for a long time. Hass at this point should just be a great backup, he might have one year left, but I think more likely he enters the Cris Chandler concussion-if-the-wind-blows-wrong phase of his career. Bottom line, the Cards have already decided if they think Kolb is the real deal. The rest of us are only guessing at their opinion of him. It only takes on playoff caliber team to decide that he is a franchise guy, and make a move for him. He'll be starting for a team next year, and it'll probably be a team with some decent talent, because that team has to be attractive enough for Kolb to sign a long term deal with. Sidenote: Does DRC have a rep as shying away from contact? What is it with that family?

Something wrong with McNabb, who is a 6 time pro bowler despite the fact that the only receivers to average more than 60 yards a game during his tenure in Philly are TO, DJax, and Stallworth. How long did he play with them? I think Reid is the lucky one. So he goes to Washington and the one decent receiver on the team has a career year. No way Kolb should be considered a better option than McNabb for 2011. McNabb starts for either Miami or Arizona this year. Kolb will be Washington or Seattle.

Orton?

 

[Insein]

Dont envision a playoff caliber team going with Kolb. I think the pressure is mounting on Wiz and he'll go with a proven commodity. I think its an upset if McNabb or Hass is not the QB in Arizona.

If you've been paying attention to the Eagles thread (or even this one) you'll notice that certain people in the know (G-King) have stated that Kolb to AZ is pretty much done. Just the lift of the lockout and the particulars (draft pick or player) is left to be decided. Kolb has been working out, unofficially, with the AZ skill players like Fitz. Fitzgerald has been screaming for the team to get Kolb in there. So I think it would be a monumental upset if Kolb WASN'T the QB in AZ.

 

[baconisgood]

Dont envision a playoff caliber team going with Kolb. I think the pressure is mounting on Wiz and he'll go with a proven commodity. I think its an upset if McNabb or Hass is not the QB in Arizona.

Even if that proven commodity is proven to be not good? I have doubts (or questions) about Kolb, but I'd take him over McNabb in a second. It is pretty apparent that McNabb is not a leader. It might not come out till after he is retired, but there is just something wrong with him. I don't think players believe in him, and I think he was real lucky to play for Andy Reid most of his career. It hid a lot of his warts for a long time. Hass at this point should just be a great backup, he might have one year left, but I think more likely he enters the Cris Chandler concussion-if-the-wind-blows-wrong phase of his career. Bottom line, the Cards have already decided if they think Kolb is the real deal. The rest of us are only guessing at their opinion of him. It only takes on playoff caliber team to decide that he is a franchise guy, and make a move for him. He'll be starting for a team next year, and it'll probably be a team with some decent talent, because that team has to be attractive enough for Kolb to sign a long term deal with. Sidenote: Does DRC have a rep as shying away from contact? What is it with that family?

Something wrong with McNabb, who is a 6 time pro bowler despite the fact that the only receivers to average more than 60 yards a game during his tenure in Philly are TO, DJax, and Stallworth. How long did he play with them? I think Reid is the lucky one. So he goes to Washington and the one decent receiver on the team has a career year. No way Kolb should be considered a better option than McNabb for 2011. McNabb starts for either Miami or Arizona this year. Kolb will be Washington or Seattle.

A big portion of McNabb's ability was in his legs and his rushing statistics have fallen off in the 2nd half of his career and he turns 35 this year. Not every good QB is going to play well into his late 30s and I think a lot of people are looking at him and worrying about a steep decline. Add in that Arizona reportedly had zero interest in him last season when he was on the trading block and went with DA without making an offer for Mcnabb says at the least that they didn't think much of him a year ago and I don't think the season in Washington changed that.

 

[azgroover]

Sidenote: Does DRC have a rep as shying away from contact? What is it with that family?

DRC does have a rep of being soft against the run. He's just a lanky, smallish guy. Great speed and awesome coverage ability though. He's also known to be aloof and immature sometimes. He showed up to training camp with a cartoon backpack and go kart.Here's a story from the 2009 training camp illustrating those points.

FLAGSTAFF - The kid who could become the NFL's next great cornerback would like everyone to know that he's going to remain a kid, no matter what.

You might have arrived at that conclusion yourself if you happened to see the go-kart sized car Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie brought to Cardinals training camp, the red one with his number, 29, on it. Or if you saw him walking around the Northern Arizona campus wearing his "Toy Story" backpack.

"Yes, sir, I have a lot of little kiddie backpacks," Rodgers-Cromartie said when asked about the one featuring Woody the Cowboy.

The backpack, complete with telescopic handle, is something you would see on a kindergartner, not a first-round draft pick who started 11 games as a rookie last season and intercepted six passes, including two in the playoffs.

Not that Rodgers-Cromartie cares.

"I'm still a kid," said Rodgers-Cromartie, 23. "I don't care how many years I've played or what profession I'm in. I'm going to be me and that's part of me, just being a kid."

His teammates have teased about the miniature car, the backpacks and the occasional impromptu dance he performs, but mostly they look at him and smile.

"He always keeps everything real light, doesn't take anything too serious," safety Adrian Wilson said. "You always have to have a couple guys like that on the team, so he's good to have."

On the back of the 6-foot-2-inch Rodgers-Cromartie, the backpack fits easily between his shoulder blades, even with the handle extended, as he prefers. The bag doesn't hold much, but, then, it's not asked to.

"Notebook and pencils, that's all I need," Rodgers-Cromartie said.

Back to school

More important, Rodgers-Cromartie is learning what to do with those notebooks and pencils. Last year, veterans chastised him after they saw Rodgers-Cromartie's notebooks were full of doodles and drawings, not pass routes and coverages.

"He's not where he needs to be but he's improving," defensive backs coach Teryl Austin said of Rodgers-Cromartie's study habits. "It's about consistency with him, as it is for a lot of young guys. I think he's got a chance to be a really good player. All that stuff he does that I say I coach (him to do)? I might be lying there. He has some tremendous God-given abilities."

When he started playing on Sundays, Rodgers-Cromartie found out just how important studying was. He was burned early in the season but he learned, and by the end of the season he had become the shut-down corner the team had been seeking for years.

"If he can get to that level where he can do it, day in and day out, the sky is the limit for him," Wilson said.

Rodgers-Cromartie has the physical skills to be a dominant corner. While he looks lighter than the 182 pounds listed, he is tall for his position. His speed allows him to reach passes other corners can't, or to recover from mistakes that would become touchdowns against other players.

"He has something that you can't teach, which is speed," receiver Anquan Boldin said. "If he hones in on his skills, he can be one of the better corners in this league."

Wealth of experts

Rodgers-Cromartie is surrounded by veterans in the secondary, which coach Ken Whisenhunt thinks speeds his learning process. Cornerback Ralph Brown, safety Antrel Rolle and Wilson stayed on Rodgers-Cromartie about his preparation last year. This season, cornerback Bryant McFadden has been added.

Austin doesn't spare criticism, either.

"You have enough guys in that group who are pushing, who understand what he could become," Whisenhunt said. "The good teams I've been around, that's the atmosphere they have."

It helps that the veterans enjoy being around Rodgers-Cromartie, who doesn't mind entertaining. He dances, he teases and he wears kiddie backpacks.

"He's just out there having fun," Boldin said.

Rodgers-Cromartie has more in store, too. He hasn't used his favorite kiddie backup, "Dora the Explorer," since he's been with the Cardinals.

"I used to rock that one in college," he said. "I'm planning on bringing it out during the season."

No one will care, as long as the backpack has notebooks and pencils - and Rodgers-Cromartie is using them.

"As long as I ain't got my coloring book, I'm good," he said. "I can't fit too many things in there."

He has coloring books?

"Oh, yes sir," he said. "I still got it at the house. I still use that, when I'm bored at the house."

 

[Snotbubbles]

Dont envision a playoff caliber team going with Kolb. I think the pressure is mounting on Wiz and he'll go with a proven commodity. I think its an upset if McNabb or Hass is not the QB in Arizona.

If you've been paying attention to the Eagles thread (or even this one) you'll notice that certain people in the know (G-King) have stated that Kolb to AZ is pretty much done. Just the lift of the lockout and the particulars (draft pick or player) is left to be decided. Kolb has been working out, unofficially, with the AZ skill players like Fitz. Fitzgerald has been screaming for the team to get Kolb in there. So I think it would be a monumental upset if Kolb WASN'T the QB in AZ.

Deranged Hermit's said his source in the Eagles also said Kolb to Arizona was a done deal.

 

[Insein]

Dont envision a playoff caliber team going with Kolb. I think the pressure is mounting on Wiz and he'll go with a proven commodity. I think its an upset if McNabb or Hass is not the QB in Arizona.

If you've been paying attention to the Eagles thread (or even this one) you'll notice that certain people in the know (G-King) have stated that Kolb to AZ is pretty much done. Just the lift of the lockout and the particulars (draft pick or player) is left to be decided. Kolb has been working out, unofficially, with the AZ skill players like Fitz. Fitzgerald has been screaming for the team to get Kolb in there. So I think it would be a monumental upset if Kolb WASN'T the QB in AZ.

Deranged Hermit's said his source in the Eagles also said Kolb to Arizona was a done deal.

Exactly.

 

[G-King]

Its Arizona.... Same as it was Arizona back in February. And after the way McNabb proved to be a major bust in Washington and now a year older, how someone could say they would rather have a proven has-been over a young veteran with potential is beyond me. Granted the come back will be "What has Kolb proven?" by people looking only at stats- but we have certainly saw what McNott has proved.... Failure.

 

[Insein]

Something wrong with McNabb, who is a 6 time pro bowler despite the fact that the only receivers to average more than 60 yards a game during his tenure in Philly are TO, DJax, and Stallworth. How long did he play with them? I think Reid is the lucky one. So he goes to Washington and the one decent receiver on the team has a career year. No way Kolb should be considered a better option than McNabb for 2011. McNabb starts for either Miami or Arizona this year. Kolb will be Washington or Seattle.

BTW, did you pull Wash out of thin air? Why would the Eagles trade a QB who they thought was their future before Vick's miracle comeback to a team in the division? Even without the inside talk of Kolb to AZ being done, this statement is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Nero]

Something wrong with McNabb, who is a 6 time pro bowler despite the fact that the only receivers to average more than 60 yards a game during his tenure in Philly are TO, DJax, and Stallworth. How long did he play with them? I think Reid is the lucky one. So he goes to Washington and the one decent receiver on the team has a career year. No way Kolb should be considered a better option than McNabb for 2011. McNabb starts for either Miami or Arizona this year. Kolb will be Washington or Seattle.

BTW, did you pull Wash out of thin air? Why would the Eagles trade a QB who they thought was their future before Vick's miracle comeback to a team in the division? Even without the inside talk of Kolb to AZ being done, this statement is beyond ridiculous.

IDK, maybe because they just traded a QB with a 92-49-1 record coming off a 10-4 season to a team inside the division.

 

[Terpman22]

Dont envision a playoff caliber team going with Kolb. I think the pressure is mounting on Wiz and he'll go with a proven commodity. I think its an upset if McNabb or Hass is not the QB in Arizona.

Even if that proven commodity is proven to be not good? I have doubts (or questions) about Kolb, but I'd take him over McNabb in a second. It is pretty apparent that McNabb is not a leader. It might not come out till after he is retired, but there is just something wrong with him. I don't think players believe in him, and I think he was real lucky to play for Andy Reid most of his career. It hid a lot of his warts for a long time. Hass at this point should just be a great backup, he might have one year left, but I think more likely he enters the Cris Chandler concussion-if-the-wind-blows-wrong phase of his career. Bottom line, the Cards have already decided if they think Kolb is the real deal. The rest of us are only guessing at their opinion of him. It only takes on playoff caliber team to decide that he is a franchise guy, and make a move for him. He'll be starting for a team next year, and it'll probably be a team with some decent talent, because that team has to be attractive enough for Kolb to sign a long term deal with.

Sidenote: Does DRC have a rep as shying away from contact? What is it with that family?

Something wrong with McNabb, who is a 6 time pro bowler despite the fact that the only receivers to average more than 60 yards a game during his tenure in Philly are TO, DJax, and Stallworth. How long did he play with them? I think Reid is the lucky one. So he goes to Washington and the one decent receiver on the team has a career year. No way Kolb should be considered a better option than McNabb for 2011. McNabb starts for either Miami or Arizona this year. Kolb will be Washington or Seattle.

Unfortunately for this statement and the Mayans, there will be football in 2012 and beyond - which I think Arizona is looking at too...

 

[Amused to Death]

Something wrong with McNabb, who is a 6 time pro bowler despite the fact that the only receivers to average more than 60 yards a game during his tenure in Philly are TO, DJax, and Stallworth. How long did he play with them? I think Reid is the lucky one. So he goes to Washington and the one decent receiver on the team has a career year. No way Kolb should be considered a better option than McNabb for 2011. McNabb starts for either Miami or Arizona this year. Kolb will be Washington or Seattle.

BTW, did you pull Wash out of thin air? Why would the Eagles trade a QB who they thought was their future before Vick's miracle comeback to a team in the division? Even without the inside talk of Kolb to AZ being done, this statement is beyond ridiculous.

IDK, maybe because they just traded a QB with a 92-49-1 record coming off a 10-4 season to a team inside the division.

When the Eagles traded McNabb to Washington, they knew what they were trading. How'd that work out for Washington? At this point in their careers, Kolb has a much brighter future than McNabb.

 

[T with T]

Its Arizona.... Same as it was Arizona back in February. And after the way McNabb proved to be a major bust in Washington and now a year older, how someone could say they would rather have a proven has-been over a young veteran with potential is beyond me. Granted the come back will be "What has Kolb proven?" by people looking only at stats- but we have certainly saw what McNott has proved.... Failure.

Yep everyone knows Kolb to arizona done deal, nothing can happen until the lockout ends... I would like to see Beenie dealt to philly but doubt they move him yet.

 

[T with T]

Dont envision a playoff caliber team going with Kolb. I think the pressure is mounting on Wiz and he'll go with a proven commodity. I think its an upset if McNabb or Hass is not the QB in Arizona.

Even if that proven commodity is proven to be not good? I have doubts (or questions) about Kolb, but I'd take him over McNabb in a second. It is pretty apparent that McNabb is not a leader. It might not come out till after he is retired, but there is just something wrong with him. I don't think players believe in him, and I think he was real lucky to play for Andy Reid most of his career. It hid a lot of his warts for a long time. Hass at this point should just be a great backup, he might have one year left, but I think more likely he enters the Cris Chandler concussion-if-the-wind-blows-wrong phase of his career. Bottom line, the Cards have already decided if they think Kolb is the real deal. The rest of us are only guessing at their opinion of him. It only takes on playoff caliber team to decide that he is a franchise guy, and make a move for him. He'll be starting for a team next year, and it'll probably be a team with some decent talent, because that team has to be attractive enough for Kolb to sign a long term deal with.

Sidenote: Does DRC have a rep as shying away from contact? What is it with that family?

Something wrong with McNabb, who is a 6 time pro bowler despite the fact that the only receivers to average more than 60 yards a game during his tenure in Philly are TO, DJax, and Stallworth. How long did he play with them? I think Reid is the lucky one. So he goes to Washington and the one decent receiver on the team has a career year. No way Kolb should be considered a better option than McNabb for 2011. McNabb starts for either Miami or Arizona this year. Kolb will be Washington or Seattle.

Unfortunately for this statement and the Mayans, there will be football in 2012 and beyond - which I think Arizona is looking at too...

Mcnabb sucks... totally overrated... never won anything... Give it up for mcnabb. he should be a back-up at best. In his prime he was athletic, won games and was a pretty good passer/runner but he fell off a cliff and is in the same class as Clinton Portis to me, No man's land

 

[Amused to Death]

Dont envision a playoff caliber team going with Kolb. I think the pressure is mounting on Wiz and he'll go with a proven commodity. I think its an upset if McNabb or Hass is not the QB in Arizona.

Even if that proven commodity is proven to be not good? I have doubts (or questions) about Kolb, but I'd take him over McNabb in a second. It is pretty apparent that McNabb is not a leader. It might not come out till after he is retired, but there is just something wrong with him. I don't think players believe in him, and I think he was real lucky to play for Andy Reid most of his career. It hid a lot of his warts for a long time. Hass at this point should just be a great backup, he might have one year left, but I think more likely he enters the Cris Chandler concussion-if-the-wind-blows-wrong phase of his career. Bottom line, the Cards have already decided if they think Kolb is the real deal. The rest of us are only guessing at their opinion of him. It only takes on playoff caliber team to decide that he is a franchise guy, and make a move for him. He'll be starting for a team next year, and it'll probably be a team with some decent talent, because that team has to be attractive enough for Kolb to sign a long term deal with.

Sidenote: Does DRC have a rep as shying away from contact? What is it with that family?

Something wrong with McNabb, who is a 6 time pro bowler despite the fact that the only receivers to average more than 60 yards a game during his tenure in Philly are TO, DJax, and Stallworth. How long did he play with them? I think Reid is the lucky one. So he goes to Washington and the one decent receiver on the team has a career year. No way Kolb should be considered a better option than McNabb for 2011. McNabb starts for either Miami or Arizona this year. Kolb will be Washington or Seattle.

Unfortunately for this statement and the Mayans, there will be football in 2012 and beyond - which I think Arizona is looking at too...

Mcnabb sucks... totally overrated... never won anything... Give it up for mcnabb. he should be a back-up at best. In his prime he was athletic, won games and was a pretty good passer/runner but he fell off a cliff and is in the same class as Clinton Portis to me, No man's land

Heard Schefter this morning talking about the FA QB pecking order after Kolb...it went Hasselbeck, Bulger, McNabb.

 

[Insein]

Something wrong with McNabb, who is a 6 time pro bowler despite the fact that the only receivers to average more than 60 yards a game during his tenure in Philly are TO, DJax, and Stallworth. How long did he play with them? I think Reid is the lucky one. So he goes to Washington and the one decent receiver on the team has a career year. No way Kolb should be considered a better option than McNabb for 2011. McNabb starts for either Miami or Arizona this year. Kolb will be Washington or Seattle.

BTW, did you pull Wash out of thin air? Why would the Eagles trade a QB who they thought was their future before Vick's miracle comeback to a team in the division? Even without the inside talk of Kolb to AZ being done, this statement is beyond ridiculous.

IDK, maybe because they just traded a QB with a 92-49-1 record coming off a 10-4 season to a team inside the division.

Yes because trading a fading veteran on the downside of his career is the same as trading a young QB set to be starter for another 5+ years.

 

[roarlions]

A take on the possible trade to AZ from a Philly writer:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20110720_Eagles_want_more_than_Rodgers-Cromartie_for_Kolb.html?nlid=3794793

 

[Joe Summer]

Its Arizona.... Same as it was Arizona back in February. And after the way McNabb proved to be a major bust in Washington and now a year older, how someone could say they would rather have a proven has-been over a young veteran with potential is beyond me. Granted the come back will be "What has Kolb proven?" by people looking only at stats- but we have certainly saw what McNott has proved.... Failure.

McNabb was a disappointment, but he wasn't a "major bust". Part of the problem with the McNabb situation is that people had unrealistic expectations for both McNabb and for the Redskins. People thought the Redskins were just a quarterback away from the playoffs (they weren't) and they assumed that McNabb could somehow maintain his high level of play despite his advanced age and the inferior status of Washington's roster.As for the second bolded statement......I haven't seen any statistical data showing that "young veterans with potential" have been any more successful than "proven has-beens". I can think of several has-beens who were successful (Kurt Warner, Trent Green, Rich Gannon) as well as several "young veterans" who were failures (Derek Anderson, Seneca Wallace, Charlie Whitehurst, A.J. Feeley, etc.).

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Mike Lombardi says Kevin Kolb isn’t worth a first-round pick

Lombardi predicts Kolb to the Browns, and free agent Marc Bulger to sign with the Cardinals.

Link

Please God no!

 

[G-King]

Then I guess Lombardi is another guy who doesn't know what he's talking about on this. Kolb is unofficially a Card. The Cromartie trade also has big legs on it too...

 

[Eminence]

The Cards will not trade Cromartie, they will trade for Orton before that happens.

 

[Insein]

The Cards will not trade Cromartie, they will trade for Orton before that happens.

What makes you think that?

 

[Eminence]

The Cards will not trade Cromartie, they will trade for Orton before that happens.

What makes you think that?

It just DOESN'T make sense value-wise:1.) Rodgers-Cromartie was our 1st Round pick 3 seasons ago AND has lived up to the hype.

2.) Rodgers-Cromartie has had 13 Interceptions in 3 seasons and was in the Pro Bowl a season ago.

3.) Rodgers-Cromartie is 25 years old.

How does a potential Franchise QB equal a play-maker, a Pro Bowler, a young, and a Cardinals drafted cornerback? We talk about Patrick Peterson being drafted to replace Rodgers-Cromartie but:

1.) Why would the Cardinals take the chance of losing a proven starting CB for a Rookie that might bust?

2.) Why would the Cardinals strike a blow at a pass-defense that was 23rd in yards allowed?

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage. The Cardinals have PLENTY of QBs to after:

Kyle Orton

Donovan McNaab

Matt Hasselbeck

Vince Young

Marc Bulger

The Cardinals front-office KNOWS we would win A LOT more games with Peterson + DRC at starting corners and one of those QBs at the helm than having Kolb there with Peterson holding down the secondary. The Cardinals won 5 games with a revolving door at QB last-season, with the way they drafted they could go 8-8 with the QBs they have there (enough to compete in that division). Not only that but Kolb has stated:

"Arizona would be a great place. I’ve obviously envisioned myself there."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/19/kolb-on-arizona-ive-obviously-envisioned-myself-there

Nobody will trade for Kolb if they are not guaranteed a contract extension wherever they sign. If the Eagles strike a deal with the Seahawks but Kolb refuses to sign an extension with them, the deal does not go through.

I'd also like to quote the team veteran Adrian Wilson:

"Everyone need to stop with the DRC for KOLB trade rumors... Ridiculous!!!! Can we get to football first. Just stop it already."

https://twitter.com/adrian_wilson24

The players have a good feel on what's going on backstage. If a veteran like Adrian Wilson is coming out to publicly state that, I'm going to take it with more credence than the same sports reporters who claimed we were going to take Gabbert in the draft. A claim which I went against the grain with on these boards too:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=590170&view=findpost&p=13097440

If the Cardinals were going to keep a corner, it would be the proven player of Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie over Patrick Peterson. They would have drafted a Quarterback at their #4 spot. By saying they would trade DRC is saying they value PP over him. Besides that, the Cardinals drafted a player named John Skelton in the fifth-round last year and he has shown a lot of potential:

http://www.nfl.com/player/johnskelton/497129/profile

I'm not saying we won't land Kolb, I think we definitely will but the deal won't include DRC. If that's what the Eagles ask for, expect the Cardinals to make a move for someone like Kyle Orton (2nd Rounder most likely), have an improved defense to couple with your new veteran QB, please Larry Fitzgerald (allowing us to negotiate a new contract), let our QB of the future John Skelton develop for another year, and contend in the hilariously weak NFC West.

Any questions?

 

[Crippler]

Good writeup other than John Skelton was a 5th round pick. Agreed that Kolb for DRC and a pick seems illogical to do and going after one of the other QB's would be smarter. Especially with all these guys that break him down and ocme up with the same answer. AJ Feeley redo and Philly fleeced Miami there

 

[Shane Falco]

The Cards will not trade Cromartie, they will trade for Orton before that happens.

What makes you think that?

It just DOESN'T make sense value-wise:.....

I'm not saying we won't land Kolb, I think we definitely will but the deal won't include DRC. If that's what the Eagles ask for, expect the Cardinals to make a move for someone like Kyle Orton (2nd Rounder most likely), have an improved defense to couple with your new veteran QB, please Larry Fitzgerald (allowing us to negotiate a new contract), let our QB of the future John Skelton develop for another year, and contend in the hilariously weak NFC West.

Any questions?

G-King is Kevin Kolb so if he says its done, its done...FWIW- as an Eagles fan I don't want DRC, he's over-rated and we don't need a 2nd CB who can't tackle

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage.

I think that's what may end up being the ultimate downfall for the Eagles - they may end up "stuck" with Kolb after asking for too much when there are alternatives out there.The last story I read the Eagles balked at the DRC straight up for Kevin Kolb, saying they'd also need a high draft pick. While I think Kolb is a good prospect he hasn't shown all that much yet and a pro-bowl caliber CB should be pretty good compensation for him when you also consider that Arizona would need to pay Kolb fairly well to get a deal done.I think Arizona may just turn to Denver and Orton if Philly tries to play hardball - and could just be better off, paying less for a more proven commodity. Does anyone think that Orton playing with Fitzgerald and the other Cardinal skill players isn't enough to compete for that division?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Any questions?

I've read it could be Beanie Wells and a pick for Kolb. What would you think about that?

 

[Jason Wood]

Any questions?

I've read it could be Beanie Wells and a pick for Kolb. What would you think about that?

I try to keep an open mind, but that would FLOOR me. We have an awesome young RB in the fold, we drafted another young RB to hopefully develop as his backup. Why on Earth would we want another young RB who fancies himself a star, yet hasn't delivered the goods on a run-first team? That would literally shock me, mouth on the ground.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage.

I think that's what may end up being the ultimate downfall for the Eagles - they may end up "stuck" with Kolb after asking for too much when there are alternatives out there.The last story I read the Eagles balked at the DRC straight up for Kevin Kolb, saying they'd also need a high draft pick. While I think Kolb is a good prospect he hasn't shown all that much yet and a pro-bowl caliber CB should be pretty good compensation for him when you also consider that Arizona would need to pay Kolb fairly well to get a deal done.I think Arizona may just turn to Denver and Orton if Philly tries to play hardball - and could just be better off, paying less for a more proven commodity. Does anyone think that Orton playing with Fitzgerald and the other Cardinal skill players isn't enough to compete for that division?

Why would the Eagles trade Kolb straight up for DRC when they could just sign one of the available UFA CBs on the market who are better than DRC and keep Kolb who has value to them as a backup? I would prefer the Eagles kept Kolb as insurance and signed Ike Taylor then trade Kolb for DRC. All the other QBs Arizona could get would be 1 or 2 year stop gaps at best. Kolb could be a legitimate long term solution for them. I can see why Arizona would want to do the deal, I can't really see why Philly would.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage.

I think that's what may end up being the ultimate downfall for the Eagles - they may end up "stuck" with Kolb after asking for too much when there are alternatives out there.The last story I read the Eagles balked at the DRC straight up for Kevin Kolb, saying they'd also need a high draft pick. While I think Kolb is a good prospect he hasn't shown all that much yet and a pro-bowl caliber CB should be pretty good compensation for him when you also consider that Arizona would need to pay Kolb fairly well to get a deal done.I think Arizona may just turn to Denver and Orton if Philly tries to play hardball - and could just be better off, paying less for a more proven commodity. Does anyone think that Orton playing with Fitzgerald and the other Cardinal skill players isn't enough to compete for that division?

Why would the Eagles trade Kolb straight up for DRC when they could just sign one of the available UFA CBs on the market who are better than DRC and keep Kolb who has value to them as a backup? I would prefer the Eagles kept Kolb as insurance and signed Ike Taylor then trade Kolb for DRC. All the other QBs Arizona could get would be 1 or 2 year stop gaps at best. Kolb could be a legitimate long term solution for them. I can see why Arizona would want to do the deal, I can't really see why Philly would.

I don't have a horse in this race and you and I aren't negotiating the deal here - but by trading for DRC they are assuring that they land a CB without having to overpay for one of the FAs (and potentially not landing one at all).I guess Arizona could say the same thing. Why trade a pro bowl caliber CB away for a potentially good QB when we could just sign one as a FA and perhaps draft a franchise QB next year? I also think Orton could be more than a 1-2 year stopgap, as he isn't old at all and has played well for a good number of years now for two different franchises.Are you convinced that Kolb is a better QB than Orton? I'm not - and like I said I do like Kolb's potential.

 

[humpback]

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage.

I think that's what may end up being the ultimate downfall for the Eagles - they may end up "stuck" with Kolb after asking for too much when there are alternatives out there.The last story I read the Eagles balked at the DRC straight up for Kevin Kolb, saying they'd also need a high draft pick. While I think Kolb is a good prospect he hasn't shown all that much yet and a pro-bowl caliber CB should be pretty good compensation for him when you also consider that Arizona would need to pay Kolb fairly well to get a deal done.I think Arizona may just turn to Denver and Orton if Philly tries to play hardball - and could just be better off, paying less for a more proven commodity. Does anyone think that Orton playing with Fitzgerald and the other Cardinal skill players isn't enough to compete for that division?

Why would the Eagles trade Kolb straight up for DRC when they could just sign one of the available UFA CBs on the market who are better than DRC and keep Kolb who has value to them as a backup? I would prefer the Eagles kept Kolb as insurance and signed Ike Taylor then trade Kolb for DRC. All the other QBs Arizona could get would be 1 or 2 year stop gaps at best. Kolb could be a legitimate long term solution for them. I can see why Arizona would want to do the deal, I can't really see why Philly would.

Money is one reason- Kolb is going to have a monster salary for a back up QB, and Taylor is going to get a big contract as well (nevermind you can't guarantee he'll sign in Philly). DRC is still under his rookie contract, so the difference in money between the two scenarios is going to be huge.

 

[Lehigh98]

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage.

I think that's what may end up being the ultimate downfall for the Eagles - they may end up "stuck" with Kolb after asking for too much when there are alternatives out there.The last story I read the Eagles balked at the DRC straight up for Kevin Kolb, saying they'd also need a high draft pick. While I think Kolb is a good prospect he hasn't shown all that much yet and a pro-bowl caliber CB should be pretty good compensation for him when you also consider that Arizona would need to pay Kolb fairly well to get a deal done.I think Arizona may just turn to Denver and Orton if Philly tries to play hardball - and could just be better off, paying less for a more proven commodity. Does anyone think that Orton playing with Fitzgerald and the other Cardinal skill players isn't enough to compete for that division?

Why would the Eagles trade Kolb straight up for DRC when they could just sign one of the available UFA CBs on the market who are better than DRC and keep Kolb who has value to them as a backup? I would prefer the Eagles kept Kolb as insurance and signed Ike Taylor then trade Kolb for DRC. All the other QBs Arizona could get would be 1 or 2 year stop gaps at best. Kolb could be a legitimate long term solution for them. I can see why Arizona would want to do the deal, I can't really see why Philly would.

Money is one reason- Kolb is going to have a monster salary for a back up QB, and Taylor is going to get a big contract as well (nevermind you can't guarantee he'll sign in Philly). DRC is still under his rookie contract, so the difference in money between the two scenarios is going to be huge.

$1.4MM is a "monster salary"?

 

[humpback]

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage.

I think that's what may end up being the ultimate downfall for the Eagles - they may end up "stuck" with Kolb after asking for too much when there are alternatives out there.The last story I read the Eagles balked at the DRC straight up for Kevin Kolb, saying they'd also need a high draft pick. While I think Kolb is a good prospect he hasn't shown all that much yet and a pro-bowl caliber CB should be pretty good compensation for him when you also consider that Arizona would need to pay Kolb fairly well to get a deal done.I think Arizona may just turn to Denver and Orton if Philly tries to play hardball - and could just be better off, paying less for a more proven commodity. Does anyone think that Orton playing with Fitzgerald and the other Cardinal skill players isn't enough to compete for that division?

Why would the Eagles trade Kolb straight up for DRC when they could just sign one of the available UFA CBs on the market who are better than DRC and keep Kolb who has value to them as a backup? I would prefer the Eagles kept Kolb as insurance and signed Ike Taylor then trade Kolb for DRC. All the other QBs Arizona could get would be 1 or 2 year stop gaps at best. Kolb could be a legitimate long term solution for them. I can see why Arizona would want to do the deal, I can't really see why Philly would.

Money is one reason- Kolb is going to have a monster salary for a back up QB, and Taylor is going to get a big contract as well (nevermind you can't guarantee he'll sign in Philly). DRC is still under his rookie contract, so the difference in money between the two scenarios is going to be huge.

$1.4MM is a "monster salary"?

Do you think he's going to play for that?

 

[babydemon90]

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage. The Cardinals have PLENTY of QBs to after:

Kyle Orton

Donovan McNaab

Matt Hasselbeck

Vince Young

Marc Bulger

Any questions?

None of those QB are potential franchise QB's though. A Franchise QB can completely turn a franchise around, and the Cardinals saw how St Louis did after getting one (and getting RID of Marc Bulger). Kolb may not turn out to be any better, but he's got more potential then anyone out there, and that is a risk teams want to take. That's why QB's almost always go 1.1 if the drafting team need one. Even if there is a better 'football player' out there, the QB position is the most valuable one.

 

[cacksman]

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage.

I think that's what may end up being the ultimate downfall for the Eagles - they may end up "stuck" with Kolb after asking for too much when there are alternatives out there.The last story I read the Eagles balked at the DRC straight up for Kevin Kolb, saying they'd also need a high draft pick. While I think Kolb is a good prospect he hasn't shown all that much yet and a pro-bowl caliber CB should be pretty good compensation for him when you also consider that Arizona would need to pay Kolb fairly well to get a deal done.I think Arizona may just turn to Denver and Orton if Philly tries to play hardball - and could just be better off, paying less for a more proven commodity. Does anyone think that Orton playing with Fitzgerald and the other Cardinal skill players isn't enough to compete for that division?

Why would the Eagles trade Kolb straight up for DRC when they could just sign one of the available UFA CBs on the market who are better than DRC and keep Kolb who has value to them as a backup? I would prefer the Eagles kept Kolb as insurance and signed Ike Taylor then trade Kolb for DRC. All the other QBs Arizona could get would be 1 or 2 year stop gaps at best. Kolb could be a legitimate long term solution for them. I can see why Arizona would want to do the deal, I can't really see why Philly would.

Money is one reason- Kolb is going to have a monster salary for a back up QB, and Taylor is going to get a big contract as well (nevermind you can't guarantee he'll sign in Philly). DRC is still under his rookie contract, so the difference in money between the two scenarios is going to be huge.

$1.4MM is a "monster salary"?

Do you think he's going to play for that?

Considering he would be a backup in this scenario, he better play for that.

 

[massraider]

Do you think he's going to play for that?

He absolutely, 100% would. He would play for it, wait for a Vick injury to further showcase his talent, then be a FA next year, and choose his city and contract. What do you think he would do, holdout? The backup QB, holding out? Never happen.

 

[Jason Wood]

Everyone acts like the Eagles have some type of leverage.

I think that's what may end up being the ultimate downfall for the Eagles - they may end up "stuck" with Kolb after asking for too much when there are alternatives out there.The last story I read the Eagles balked at the DRC straight up for Kevin Kolb, saying they'd also need a high draft pick. While I think Kolb is a good prospect he hasn't shown all that much yet and a pro-bowl caliber CB should be pretty good compensation for him when you also consider that Arizona would need to pay Kolb fairly well to get a deal done.I think Arizona may just turn to Denver and Orton if Philly tries to play hardball - and could just be better off, paying less for a more proven commodity. Does anyone think that Orton playing with Fitzgerald and the other Cardinal skill players isn't enough to compete for that division?

Why would the Eagles trade Kolb straight up for DRC when they could just sign one of the available UFA CBs on the market who are better than DRC and keep Kolb who has value to them as a backup? I would prefer the Eagles kept Kolb as insurance and signed Ike Taylor then trade Kolb for DRC. All the other QBs Arizona could get would be 1 or 2 year stop gaps at best. Kolb could be a legitimate long term solution for them. I can see why Arizona would want to do the deal, I can't really see why Philly would.

Money is one reason- Kolb is going to have a monster salary for a back up QB, and Taylor is going to get a big contract as well (nevermind you can't guarantee he'll sign in Philly). DRC is still under his rookie contract, so the difference in money between the two scenarios is going to be huge.

$1.4MM is a "monster salary"?

Do you think he's going to play for that?

He has no choice. That $1.4 million was part of a 2-year $12.5 million restructuring last year to lock him up for 2011. The Eagles will lose him after this season for nothing unless they franchised him, which I'm sure they would do in order to then trade him after next offseason (assuming that this Arizona trade never happened).Where Kolb has leverage is that I'm sure his agent has made it clear he will be "one and done" to whatever team trades for him unless they immediately sign him to a new long-term deal.

 

[marshall88]

DRC is going into the 4th year of his 5 year rookie contract. The Cards just might be thinking ahead and realizing that they won't be interested in franchising DRC in 2 years or paying him the big FA money that he will get. Kolb is the best shot they have right now for a franchise QB, so I think it makes sense to take a chance with him. I don't think the Cards will be bad enough to get the #1 pick (Andrew Luck) next year.

Another thing I think the Cards are considering is that the price they pay for Kolb includes the ability to keep Fitzgerald on the team. Fitz has 1 year left at AZ and cannot be franchised. If he's not happy with the team, then he'll likely be gone next year. If trading DRC and a 3rd to Philly means that they get to take a chance at Kolb as a franchise QB and they get to re-sign Fitz, then it's a good trade.

 

[Jason Wood]

To those making the argument that Arizona shouldn't feel compelled to pay a lot for Kolb because of alternatives out there, please recognize that your views on Kolb then don't match Arizona's. If they do in fact trade for Kolb as seems likely, it's because they think he's a franchise prospect, which none of the other options are close to (either because they're well past their primes - Bulger, McNabb, Hasselbeck, or just not skilled enough - Orton, Young).

Arizona endured one of the worst QB situations in modern memory last year, and many felt that was the one thing keeping them from winning a very winnable division. While I'm not personally sold on Kolb as an elite starter, it's not about what I think, it's about what the Cardinals front office thinks. Kolb is the only real shot this offseason at hitting the QB lottery. Not saying it'll be a winning ticket, but it's the only guy they can get that would at least project as a star if things fell right.