RUMOR **** Portis on the block (1 Viewer)

[T Man]

Matt Williamson has on ESPN has indicated that there are rumors that Detroit will trade Dre Bly along with their 2nd and 3rd rounders to Washington for Portis and a 6th.

THis makes sense to Washington as Betts performed well and it saves some cap in the future. But its too much for Detroit. Bly is their best CB and a 2nd and 3rd for Portis -- who is having surgery seems like an awful lot. I guess Detroit must think that KJ is done.

 

[On The Rocks]

my guess is that it is a rumor. act accordingly.

 

[David Yudkin]

This has been covered in other threads, and IMO Portis' contract and potential cap hit makes it unlikely that he would get moved.

I also don't think that Jones' injury is so severe that they would be willing to essentially scrap him at this point.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

This was started on a Skins Message board by some regular fan. No truth to it.

 

[Bowbiejuke]

This has been covered in other threads, and IMO Portis' contract and potential cap hit makes it unlikely that he would get moved.I also don't think that Jones' injury is so severe that they would be willing to essentially scrap him at this point.

that plus they used a high draft pick on Brian Calhoun last year

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

This has been covered in other threads, and IMO Portis' contract and potential cap hit makes it unlikely that he would get moved.I also don't think that Jones' injury is so severe that they would be willing to essentially scrap him at this point.

that plus they used a high draft pick on Brian Calhoun last year

Teams generally spend third rounders on intended backups.Besides, at this point it doesn't matter what his draft slot was.

 

[thorny]

I wouldn't read too much into that. The Lions are anythign but down on KJ, and word is that he will likely be ready by the season. They will pick up some insurance but won't be paying a huge price.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

This has been covered in other threads, and IMO Portis' contract and potential cap hit makes it unlikely that he would get moved.I also don't think that Jones' injury is so severe that they would be willing to essentially scrap him at this point.

KJ had a linz franc which takes a full year to recover from so he won't be at full strength till at least mid-season. Portis would fit perfectly in that Martz offense but so would Marshan Lynch but I doubt they would take a stab at Lynch with the second pick in the draft. Not sure AP fits that offense but Portis sure does. I don't know his cap hit however Ladell fits well with what they do in DC and landing Portis would help out the Lions. At least this is a sensible rumor from a personnel standpoint as I see it but I can't address the cap aspects.

 

[Sinrman]

Yeah, sorry, but it's false. Was on the Redskins fan message board, with no validity to it whatsoever. I don't see Detroit giving up Bly and some nice, high picks for Portis, unless Jones' injury is very severe. I could somewhat see why Washington would, with Betts doing well.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Wouldn't surprise me if Portis is dealt. Not to Detroit though. Also wouldn't suprise me if Betts signed because he knew the Skins would try and move Portis if he performed well down the stretch.

 

[David Yudkin]

This has been covered in other threads, and IMO Portis' contract and potential cap hit makes it unlikely that he would get moved.I also don't think that Jones' injury is so severe that they would be willing to essentially scrap him at this point.

KJ had a linz franc which takes a full year to recover from so he won't be at full strength till at least mid-season. Portis would fit perfectly in that Martz offense but so would Marshan Lynch but I doubt they would take a stab at Lynch with the second pick in the draft. Not sure AP fits that offense but Portis sure does. I don't know his cap hit however Ladell fits well with what they do in DC and landing Portis would help out the Lions. At least this is a sensible rumor from a personnel standpoint as I see it but I can't address the cap aspects.

IMO, the Lions have a lot more pressing issues then RB at this stage. IMO, taking on Portis would be costly and does not dramatically improve the team.Jones averaged over 100 total yards a game and scored 8 TD in 12 games last season before he got hurt. When you stop and consider that one game he barely played at all in, he averaged more like 110+ yards per game. That more than sufficient from a RB. Even if Jones isn't back to full strength until mid season, he is a very good RB option. How much better would Portis be and at what cost?Portis signed an 8-year, $50 million deal after the 2004 since after getting acquired by the Redskins. The deal included a $17 million bonus. Given that his contract seems to run for only 7 seasons, there may be some sort of 8th option year. Also, the bonus was not all upfront, so I can't begin to figure out what the cap hit would be.Portis remaining contract:2007 3500000.00 2008 5048500.00 2009 6627000.00 2010 7690500.00 2011 8754000.00 My best guess is that the Redskins charged $2 million each year to the salary cap (say $4 million total) and still have $13 million remaining from the signing bonus that they would have to eat. IIRC and the rules are still the same, if they waited until June 1st, they could split the cap hit over two seasons if they wanted. (I know they changed the terms of the CBA, so I am not sure what they did with spacing out cap hits or not.)By comparison, here is what is left on Jones' original contract:2007 510000.00 2008 545000.00 IMO, the Lions are better off strengthening their team in other areas and this would not be a great maneuver on their part.

 

[cscmtp]

Actually 99% of the Skins fans over on their boards are saying this is completely BS. I agree, as long as Gibbs is the #1 guy in DC, Portis is the #1 back. I do think if Saunders had his way, Portis probably would get shipped however...

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Heard it here

 

[rascal]

If this happens all of you who mocked me for posting it, when there have been bogus threads about Giants, Pats, etc and the thread creator not getting harassed, can kiss my ###.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

This has been covered in other threads, and IMO Portis' contract and potential cap hit makes it unlikely that he would get moved.I also don't think that Jones' injury is so severe that they would be willing to essentially scrap him at this point.

KJ had a linz franc which takes a full year to recover from so he won't be at full strength till at least mid-season. Portis would fit perfectly in that Martz offense but so would Marshan Lynch but I doubt they would take a stab at Lynch with the second pick in the draft. Not sure AP fits that offense but Portis sure does. I don't know his cap hit however Ladell fits well with what they do in DC and landing Portis would help out the Lions. At least this is a sensible rumor from a personnel standpoint as I see it but I can't address the cap aspects.

IMO, the Lions have a lot more pressing issues then RB at this stage. IMO, taking on Portis would be costly and does not dramatically improve the team.Jones averaged over 100 total yards a game and scored 8 TD in 12 games last season before he got hurt. When you stop and consider that one game he barely played at all in, he averaged more like 110+ yards per game. That more than sufficient from a RB. Even if Jones isn't back to full strength until mid season, he is a very good RB option. How much better would Portis be and at what cost?Portis signed an 8-year, $50 million deal after the 2004 since after getting acquired by the Redskins. The deal included a $17 million bonus. Given that his contract seems to run for only 7 seasons, there may be some sort of 8th option year. Also, the bonus was not all upfront, so I can't begin to figure out what the cap hit would be.Portis remaining contract:2007 3500000.00 2008 5048500.00 2009 6627000.00 2010 7690500.00 2011 8754000.00 My best guess is that the Redskins charged $2 million each year to the salary cap (say $4 million total) and still have $13 million remaining from the signing bonus that they would have to eat. IIRC and the rules are still the same, if they waited until June 1st, they could split the cap hit over two seasons if they wanted. (I know they changed the terms of the CBA, so I am not sure what they did with spacing out cap hits or not.)By comparison, here is what is left on Jones' original contract:2007 510000.00 2008 545000.00 IMO, the Lions are better off strengthening their team in other areas and this would not be a great maneuver on their part.

Per KJ, I like what he has done with Martz and thought he would do well. His injury will prevent him from being full-strength till at least mid-season next year. If they are confident that he'll be back 100% and that they can fill-in with a warm body till he's up and running then they can ignore RB but I don't believe that they will. Arlen Harris or Calhoun might be the contigency but I dunno. I don't think any trade rumors in January have much legs and don't place much stock in this one but it does make sense strictly from a personnel standpoint.Per the last years of Clinton's ballooned salary contract. Those last few years are worth the paper they are printed on, however you are correct to point out the signing bonus which would be pro-rated over the life of Clinton's contract but I have no inkling of how it would be dispersed. Your guess is as good as mine on how it would be dispersed. Per their pick, I think its either Quinn or Thomas since I don't think they would go Marshan or AP with the second pick and Lion Nation would revolt if they took another WR. I think they go Thomas at this piont in time but that is just my humble-O.

 

[dgreen]

This just isn't going to happen. Others have already mentioned some good reasons why (cap, Gibbs' love for Portis, and whether it even makes sense for each team), but there's another reason.

Recent Washington Post articles have said that players were told when Gibbs arrived that there was a three-year plan. In 2004, the team was 6-10, but played really hard; you could tell they were committed to whatever the goal was. In 2005, the team finished strong, going 10-6, and even won a playoff game. Then, heading into 2006, what was supposed to be year three of the three-year plan, Gibbs brought in Saunders. Even though Saunders' offense is from the same tree as Gibbs' offense, it was like they were starting over, according to some anonymous sources and one not-so-anonymous source (Portis). Players said they didn't understand what was going on. Why have a three-year plan and add a large hurdle heading into year three?

So, I don't think they are looking to rock the boat heading into 2007. Trading Portis would be a huge rock, not to mention it would really piss off a lot of players in the lockeroom. If they are lucky enough to still have buy-in from the players, they can finally get to year three of the three-year plan.

IMO, trading Portis is something they'd do if they were trying to start over. They'd get as much as they can, take the cap hit, and create a new three-year plan based on what they have. They aren't going to do that.

 

[diesel7982]

If this happens all of you who mocked me for posting it, when there have been bogus threads about Giants, Pats, etc and the thread creator not getting harassed, can kiss my ###.

You were :11: for posting it the first time, this guys is :11: for posting it now.The NFL is not your verison of Madden 2007 in franchise mode.

 

[rascal]

If this happens all of you who mocked me for posting it, when there have been bogus threads about Giants, Pats, etc and the thread creator not getting harassed, can kiss my ###.

You were :11: for posting it the first time, this guys is :11: for posting it now.The NFL is not your verison of Madden 2007 in franchise mode.

I don't play madden actually but thanks.It was a rumor by some guys in the media and I reported it, and again it's being speculated by the media.You're on the short bus for being an ### to people who try to provide a scope.

 

[PatsWillWin]

If this happens all of you who mocked me for posting it, when there have been bogus threads about Giants, Pats, etc and the thread creator not getting harassed, can kiss my ###.

I started that thread and the rumor wasn't from some lame fan messageboard and I didn't post it until it was significant enough to be discussed on ESPN radio. So you can kiss my ###.

 

[rascal]

If this happens all of you who mocked me for posting it, when there have been bogus threads about Giants, Pats, etc and the thread creator not getting harassed, can kiss my ###.

I started that thread and the rumor wasn't from some lame fan messageboard and I didn't post it until it was significant enough to be discussed on ESPN radio. So you can kiss my ###.

You started the thread on extremeskins because I started it here.Are you warpath? And if so why would I kiss your ###, diesel is the one who should kiss your ###.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

By comparison, here is what is left on Jones' original contract:2007 510000.00 2008 545000.00 IMO, the Lions are better off strengthening their team in other areas and this would not be a great maneuver on their part.

I don't believe the Portis rumor at all, but i wouldn't be surprised if Detroit was looking for a replacement for Jones due to his contract.They have him under contract for 2 more years (one of which he might not play much), and if they have long term concerns over his injury they aren't going to want to sign him to a fat new contract to keep him.This would actually be the perfect time for Detroit to find somone else if they don't want to back up the truck to keep Jones long term.

 

[David Yudkin]

By comparison, here is what is left on Jones' original contract:2007 510000.00 2008 545000.00 IMO, the Lions are better off strengthening their team in other areas and this would not be a great maneuver on their part.

I don't believe the Portis rumor at all, but i wouldn't be surprised if Detroit was looking for a replacement for Jones due to his contract.They have him under contract for 2 more years (one of which he might not play much), and if they have long term concerns over his injury they aren't going to want to sign him to a fat new contract to keep him.This would actually be the perfect time for Detroit to find somone else if they don't want to back up the truck to keep Jones long term.

IMO, all that you outlined is all the more reason to keep Jones and give him an extension for low dollars.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

By comparison, here is what is left on Jones' original contract:2007 510000.00 2008 545000.00 IMO, the Lions are better off strengthening their team in other areas and this would not be a great maneuver on their part.

I don't believe the Portis rumor at all, but i wouldn't be surprised if Detroit was looking for a replacement for Jones due to his contract.They have him under contract for 2 more years (one of which he might not play much), and if they have long term concerns over his injury they aren't going to want to sign him to a fat new contract to keep him.This would actually be the perfect time for Detroit to find somone else if they don't want to back up the truck to keep Jones long term.

IMO, all that you outlined is all the more reason to keep Jones and give him an extension for low dollars.

The problem is that i don't see Jones signing an extension for cheap. Also if Detroit has a lot of reservations about his ability to play next season coupled with concerns about what he would want in a contract extension i could see them looking in other directions.Detroit looking for RB help wouldn't be surprising in the least IMO, although trading for Portis doesn't seem like a realistic scenerio due to his contract, but crazier things have happened.