RUMOR...R.Moss could be a patriot by wed. (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

They were 14-2 without him. Would he really make them that much better?

Did they win the Super Bowl? No? Then they SHOULD be trying to get better.

Whether they won the SB or not, all teams should try to get better. But I will repeat the question. Does adding Moss make the Pats a better team?

I think the answer is Yes. Welker is banged-up, dealing with a neck injury, and possibly still not 100% from his torn ACL. Ochocinco is 32 years old. Both players are on the downsides of their career, at a position where players are known to hit the wall quickly and permanently.

From all accounts, Welker should be fine and does not appear to be all that banged up. Welker has said and shown that he has recovered from his knee injury. I wouldn't worry about him. He's been a full participant at practice for almost a week.Ocho is a different story, and I agree he could be an issue (but we won't know for awhile).

In either case, Welker (age 30), Ochocinco (33), and even Branch (32) are all younger than Moss (34). If "players on the downsides of their career, at a position where players are known to hit the wall quickly and permanently" applies to the other guys, why does that not apply to Moss? Maybe Moss last year was trying but has lost a step, can't seperate, and is easily knocked off the line.

I think it's odd that we should think Moss can turn the switch on and light things up again while the younger guys almost by default have eroded skills.

In summary, at this point Moss needs the Patriots far more than the Patriots need Moss. Maybe that will change when 1) they stop scoring 35 points a game, 2) they have injuries at receiver, and/or 3) they stop winning.

I think some people are putting the microscope to the Jets loss and ignoring the other 16 games during the season. I've read many places that the Pats don't have a deep threat and they can't beat the Jets. If we look at only the last game NE played, it's easy to conclude that, but IMO that's a rush to judgment and shortsighted.

At this point, let's see if Moss even signs back with the Pats, as neither side can be right or wrong at this point as he isn't even on the team.

 

[Joe Summer]

In either case, Welker (age 30), Ochocinco (33), and even Branch (32) are all younger than Moss (34). If "players on the downsides of their career, at a position where players are known to hit the wall quickly and permanently" applies to the other guys, why does that not apply to Moss?

It does apply to Moss. But I think he's less likely to hit the wall based on his Hall Of Fame pedigree. Moss can lose 2 steps and still be a better option than Deion Branch.

 

[captain_amazing]

In either case, Welker (age 30), Ochocinco (33), and even Branch (32) are all younger than Moss (34). If "players on the downsides of their career, at a position where players are known to hit the wall quickly and permanently" applies to the other guys, why does that not apply to Moss?

It does apply to Moss. But I think he's less likely to hit the wall based on his Hall Of Fame pedigree. Moss can lose 2 steps and still be a better option than Deion Branch.

staight homieFor Moss, you need to factor in the "I play when I want to play" effect. When you multiple by that, divide by his age, take the square root, and bake on 350 for 45 minutes, you get something that is <<Branch and <<Welker. Who knows about Ocho at this point. But I, as BB, wouldn't bring him back for the federal minimum wage. But, on a deep roster, I might sneak him on my bench..... just in case

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Um, I think this needs to be discussed later IF Moss were to sign. All this "what if" talk is doing absolutely nothing but wasting time.

eh....gives us something to discuss while waiting for some real football games to begin

 

[LawFitz]

Um, I think this needs to be discussed later IF Moss were to sign. All this "what if" talk is doing absolutely nothing but wasting time.

eh....gives us something to discuss while waiting for some real football games to begin

Have you heard anything new from your source?

 

[jesseasi]

As a Moss Dynasty owners - I have had him for the last 7 years - he has been a thrill and a headache to own. I have not yet cut him and still roster him with hopes he will come back.

Here is the deal - Randy Moss is the boxing equivalent to Mike Tyson. Tyson for so much of his "comeback" career was always just one punch away from being the heavy weight champion of the world. Yet time and time again he would just disappoint.

For Randy to have serious FF value - he just needs to come back to the right situation and have the right attitude. That last chance to catch Rice's TD record.

Plaxico got a job 2 years removed from football (same age). Roy Williams keeps getting paid for being fat and lazy. Randy is light years better than those guys and way better than Branch or Ochocinco.

Please Randy - come back and once again prove all these naysayers wrong.

Just last year guys..... Randy owning Revis (who acted like he pulled a hammy) NOBODY can defend that! Randy Just Last year!

Keeping my fingers crossed.....

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Um, I think this needs to be discussed later IF Moss were to sign. All this "what if" talk is doing absolutely nothing but wasting time.

eh....gives us something to discuss while waiting for some real football games to begin

Have you heard anything new from your source?

Just text-ed him asking the same thing...he said he ''thinks '' moss will be a patriot by week 2....now i can tell you he has no idea about the guaranteed salary issue that was brought up in this thread at the very beginning...so i find that interesting that he picked week 2 ...im still holding out hope hes right

 

[qimqam]

As a Moss Dynasty owners - I have had him for the last 7 years - he has been a thrill and a headache to own. I have not yet cut him and still roster him with hopes he will come back.

Here is the deal - Randy Moss is the boxing equivalent to Mike Tyson. Tyson for so much of his "comeback" career was always just one punch away from being the heavy weight champion of the world. Yet time and time again he would just disappoint.

For Randy to have serious FF value - he just needs to come back to the right situation and have the right attitude. That last chance to catch Rice's TD record.

Plaxico got a job 2 years removed from football (same age). Roy Williams keeps getting paid for being fat and lazy. Randy is light years better than those guys and way better than Branch or Ochocinco.

Please Randy - come back and once again prove all these naysayers wrong.

Just last year guys..... Randy owning Revis (who acted like he pulled a hammy) NOBODY can defend that! Randy Just Last year!

Keeping my fingers crossed.....

That's awesome ... Moss takes about 5 steps and puts his hand up to signal Brady that he has him beat.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

As a Moss Dynasty owners - I have had him for the last 7 years - he has been a thrill and a headache to own. I have not yet cut him and still roster him with hopes he will come back.

Here is the deal - Randy Moss is the boxing equivalent to Mike Tyson. Tyson for so much of his "comeback" career was always just one punch away from being the heavy weight champion of the world. Yet time and time again he would just disappoint.

For Randy to have serious FF value - he just needs to come back to the right situation and have the right attitude. That last chance to catch Rice's TD record.

Plaxico got a job 2 years removed from football (same age). Roy Williams keeps getting paid for being fat and lazy. Randy is light years better than those guys and way better than Branch or Ochocinco.

Please Randy - come back and once again prove all these naysayers wrong.

Just last year guys..... Randy owning Revis (who acted like he pulled a hammy) NOBODY can defend that! Randy Just Last year!

Keeping my fingers crossed.....

That's awesome ... Moss takes about 5 steps and puts his hand up to signal Brady that he has him beat.

that looked like a boy vs a man...catch and throw...awesome

 

[BustedKnuckles]

FOXBORO —

The number of defensive linemen that was once as big as 19 is now down to 10, and Gerard Warren is the latest casualty.

Warren, who joined the Patriots as a free agent before the 2010 season, was released yesterday. Third-year cornerback Darius Butler was also let go, a move that had been reported on Tuesday. Butler was immediately picked up by the Carolina Panthers.

While Butler will not be returning anytime soon, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick left open the possibility that Warren's days in Foxboro may not be entirely over.

"Sure," the coach said when asked if the 6-foot-4, 325-pounder may be back.

With retired lightning rod Randy Moss reportedly expressing interest in a possible return to the Patriots, Belichick was asked about a possible return of the jettisoned wide receiver.

The coach didn't bite.

"I wouldn't talk about any player that's not on our football team," he said.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

FOXBORO —

The number of defensive linemen that was once as big as 19 is now down to 10, and Gerard Warren is the latest casualty.

Warren, who joined the Patriots as a free agent before the 2010 season, was released yesterday. Third-year cornerback Darius Butler was also let go, a move that had been reported on Tuesday. Butler was immediately picked up by the Carolina Panthers.

While Butler will not be returning anytime soon, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick left open the possibility that Warren's days in Foxboro may not be entirely over.

"Sure," the coach said when asked if the 6-foot-4, 325-pounder may be back.

With retired lightning rod Randy Moss reportedly expressing interest in a possible return to the Patriots, Belichick was asked about a possible return of the jettisoned wide receiver.

The coach didn't bite.



"I wouldn't talk about any player that's not on our football team," he said.

If any reporter has spent any time around Belichick, I'm not sure what the expectation would be when they asked that question about Moss.

 

[Frank Black]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

 

[yoadrian]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

Because most competitive leagues don't have the roster space..

 

[Insein]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

Because most competitive leagues don't have the roster space..

Do you only have like 5 roster spots? Doesn't seem very competitive if you can get solid talent on the WW.

 

[Frank Black]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

Because most competitive leagues don't have the roster space..

There are 2 ways to look at that. Some would argue that having smaller roster space makes a league less competitive because having smaller roster space leaves more productive players on the WW, making it easier for badly drafted teams to catch up with well drafted teams, etc. I don't know that roster size is therefore a strong factor in how competitive a league is.

 

[unckeyherb]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

Because most competitive leagues don't have the roster space..

I have roster space and I think my league is very competitive.

 

[yoadrian]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

Because most competitive leagues don't have the roster space..

I have roster space and I think my league is very competitive.

Just saying, our league has hardly anyone available on waivers because they are rostered. And I am not giving up my RB1 backup or QB backup to pick up Moss. No way.

 

[Insein]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

Because most competitive leagues don't have the roster space..

I have roster space and I think my league is very competitive.

Just saying, our league has hardly anyone available on waivers because they are rostered. And I am not giving up my RB1 backup or QB backup to pick up Moss. No way.

How many bench players do you have?

 

[Frank Black]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

Because most competitive leagues don't have the roster space..

I have roster space and I think my league is very competitive.

Just saying, our league has hardly anyone available on waivers because they are rostered. And I am not giving up my RB1 backup or QB backup to pick up Moss. No way.

To address your comments further in light of my original comments, I hope that your RB1 backup or backup QB don't have "questionable value." Others in this thread have opined not to drop someone productive for Moss. I think most of us can agree that unless a league has little bench space, several teams have at least 1 person on their bench who has questionable value or who is a flier.

 

[Insein]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

Because most competitive leagues don't have the roster space..

I have roster space and I think my league is very competitive.

Just saying, our league has hardly anyone available on waivers because they are rostered. And I am not giving up my RB1 backup or QB backup to pick up Moss. No way.

To address your comments further in light of my original comments, I hope that your RB1 backup or backup QB don't have "questionable value." Others in this thread have opined not to drop someone productive for Moss. I think most of us can agree that unless a league has little bench space, several teams have at least 1 person on their bench who has questionable value or who is a flier.

Exactly. One league I have 9 bench spots. Easy to drop the last guy for a flyer on Moss. Another league I have 7 spots. I prefer their value more than Moss. Not that hard here.

 

[yoadrian]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

Because most competitive leagues don't have the roster space..

I have roster space and I think my league is very competitive.

Just saying, our league has hardly anyone available on waivers because they are rostered. And I am not giving up my RB1 backup or QB backup to pick up Moss. No way.

To address your comments further in light of my original comments, I hope that your RB1 backup or backup QB don't have "questionable value." Others in this thread have opined not to drop someone productive for Moss. I think most of us can agree that unless a league has little bench space, several teams have at least 1 person on their bench who has questionable value or who is a flier.

And Moss is the definition of questionable value

 

[LawFitz]

Moss' value is anywhere from ZERO to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvcbxlX8d3A&feature=related

 

[DeaLerZ]

Moss' value is anywhere from ZERO to this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvcbxlX8d3A&feature=related

God don't you miss those games where he goes off like that?? Just for the sake of the entertainment of football... I hope he comes back this year and exceeds everyone's expectations...Watching that video makes you really believe that he can still play.. that was only a year and a half ago

 

[DiStefano]

It's Thursday.

Are we there yet?

 

[moderated]

It's Thursday.Are we there yet?

Read the thread Chachi

 

[atcdav]

I heard a rumor Moss is on a plane to Chicago....

gonna try out for the cubs

 

[ghostrider55]

So who gets cut to make room for Moss?

 

[atcdav]

Zambrano, or Our boy ROy

 

[Daywalker]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

Because most competitive leagues don't have the roster space..

I have roster space and I think my league is very competitive.

Just saying, our league has hardly anyone available on waivers because they are rostered. And I am not giving up my RB1 backup or QB backup to pick up Moss. No way.

Betting that RB1 stays healthy and hitting on a guy like Moss is the play. Gambling with a handcuff ain't exactly shooting from the hip.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zambrano, or Our boy ROy

not sure but check out post # 160 above

 

[Hoss Style]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

Because most competitive leagues don't have the roster space..

Do you only have like 5 roster spots? Doesn't seem very competitive if you can get solid talent on the WW.

What?!?Think about that. Some of the most difficult leagues I've ever played in are the ones with small rosters. You really have to decide who to drop and who to carry. Extremely difficult to drop someone and "play the matchups" when you know the player you're dropping is someone who will be seen by most other owners as a good pickup.Don't be so closed minded. "Competitive" comes in many forms, my friend.

 

[atcdav]

Zambrano, or Our boy ROy

not sure but check out post # 160 above

It was a joke. I also tweeted Ochocinco to stop by Chicago if New England doesnt work out

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So who gets cut to make room for Moss?

not sure but check out post # 160 above

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Zambrano, or Our boy ROy

not sure but check out post # 160 above

It was a joke. I also tweeted Ochocinco to stop by Chicago if New England doesnt work out

oops...my comment was for the post right above yours...lol

 

[Hoss Style]

Zambrano, or Our boy ROy

not sure but check out post # 160 above

It was a joke. I also tweeted Ochocinco to stop by Chicago if New England doesnt work out

oops...my comment was for the post right above yours...lol

I'm gald you posted this. I was wondering if you really thought there was someone named Zambrano on the football team!

 

[Frank Black]

I had no problems dropping Hester for him. If you can drop someone of questionable value from your roster, why not pick up Moss and keep him on your roster for as long as you can afford to wait to see if he is productive?

Because most competitive leagues don't have the roster space..

I have roster space and I think my league is very competitive.

Just saying, our league has hardly anyone available on waivers because they are rostered. And I am not giving up my RB1 backup or QB backup to pick up Moss. No way.

To address your comments further in light of my original comments, I hope that your RB1 backup or backup QB don't have "questionable value." Others in this thread have opined not to drop someone productive for Moss. I think most of us can agree that unless a league has little bench space, several teams have at least 1 person on their bench who has questionable value or who is a flier.

And Moss is the definition of questionable value

Duh. However, if you have other solid starters, and 1 of your bench player has uestionable value, there is a lot to be said for Moss having upside if he signs with the Pats. Using the Hester v. Moss example, having Hester or some equivalent on your roster isn't going to make or break your team, whereas Moss could bolster your team if he signs. Furthermore, if you give up someone of questionable value and Moss doesn't work out, you should be able to get that person or their equivalent back.

 

[Das Boot]

The smartest move the Pats could make is tricking another team in their division into signing Moss.

 

[atcdav]

Zambrano, or Our boy ROy

not sure but check out post # 160 above

It was a joke. I also tweeted Ochocinco to stop by Chicago if New England doesnt work out

oops...my comment was for the post right above yours...lol

I'm gald you posted this. I was wondering if you really thought there was someone named Zambrano on the football team!

You missed the original post when I said he was trying out for the Cubs

 

[captain_amazing]

Twitter:

"@wwltvsports: Randy Moss at Saints facility Saturday, according to sources http://bit.ly/poE2Ky"

 

[steviey]

Twitter:

"@wwltvsports: Randy Moss at Saints facility Saturday, according to sources http://bit.ly/poE2Ky"

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Twitter:

"@wwltvsports: Randy Moss at Saints facility Saturday, according to sources http://bit.ly/poE2Ky"

Great, Meachem needs a decoy.

 

[atcdav]

I drafted Moss on a whim. If he signs with the Saints I will be selling hi asap. or at leat trying to. Maybe a mistake, but If I can get a top 15 WR or top 20 RB I will be very happy

 

[ldizzle]

Wow this could be huge. Dont know if i would sell high right away...

 

[captain_amazing]

"@JasonLaCanfora: I'm hearing there is nothing cookin between Randy Moss and the Saints. But I still wouldn't be shocked if he ends up back in the NFL in 2011."

And... smoke.

 

[atcdav]

Now sounds like nothing but a rumor.

UPDATED 8:35 p.m. ET: Pro Football Talk has thrown some cold water on the report by the New Orleans TV station, writing that if Randy Moss visited the Saints facility, he did so without the knowledge of his agent, Joel Segal.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Love the rumors and info, keep it coming. Seems like there would be rumors with any WR who went down but you add in a playoff contender, already has another injured WR in Moore, forced to lean on Meach and Devrey, not surprised this is floating about.

Any relation between Payton and Belichick at all? Did they ever coach together?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Love the rumors and info, keep it coming. Seems like there would be rumors with any WR who went down but you add in a playoff contender, already has another injured WR in Moore, forced to lean on Meach and Devrey, not surprised this is floating about. Any relation between Payton and Belichick at all? Did they ever coach together?

I don't think so, Payton's a Parcells guy.ETA: I don't think the Saints are the only team to go through the rolodex of available free agents when confronted with a rash of in juries. It's more than believable to me. He just does not fit with their spending, on-field or locker room philosophy.

 

[N Zone]

Love the rumors and info, keep it coming. Seems like there would be rumors with any WR who went down but you add in a playoff contender, already has another injured WR in Moore, forced to lean on Meach and Devrey, not surprised this is floating about. Any relation between Payton and Belichick at all? Did they ever coach together?

I don't think so, Payton's a Parcells guy.

So is Bellicheck.

 

[Proximo]

Love the rumors and info, keep it coming. Seems like there would be rumors with any WR who went down but you add in a playoff contender, already has another injured WR in Moore, forced to lean on Meach and Devrey, not surprised this is floating about. Any relation between Payton and Belichick at all? Did they ever coach together?

The saints modeled themselves after the Patriots once Payton got here. It's all outlined in his book, "Home Team."He has great respect for Belichick, and if he gets a nod of approval/recommendation from him then Randy will be in a Saints uni come next week.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Love the rumors and info, keep it coming. Seems like there would be rumors with any WR who went down but you add in a playoff contender, already has another injured WR in Moore, forced to lean on Meach and Devrey, not surprised this is floating about.

Any relation between Payton and Belichick at all? Did they ever coach together?

The saints modeled themselves after the Patriots once Payton got here. It's all outlined in his book, "Home Team."He has great respect for Belichick, and if he gets a nod of approval/recommendation from him then Randy will be in a Saints uni come next week.

Good info, I thought it was something like that.