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[Blackjacks]

I heard it on Sirius yesterday and supposively this has legs. Due to Roy saying he won't resign with the Lions next year and the Eagles signing Samuels it makes Lito expendable and it makes sense. Supposely Marinelli wants to get alot stronger on D as well and this move would help them start. They were saying on the radio how the Lions are confident Calvin Johnson is the real deal and could fill Roy's spot immediately.

Thoughts?

How would Roy fit in Philly?

I think he's be a super-stud

 

[Balco]

Great deal for both teams if it went through. Obviously, deals that make sense never get made, though.

Williams would be awesome in Philly, and Sheppard, paired with Leigh Bodden would give the Lions a solid cornerback duo.

Williams would be tough to replace, but they would still have Calvin Johnson and Mike Furrey which is pretty darn good.

 

[eric rymer]

I heard it on Sirius yesterday and supposively this has legs. Due to Roy saying he won't resign with the Lions next year and the Eagles signing Samuels it makes Lito expendable and it makes sense. Supposely Marinelli wants to get alot stronger on D as well and this move would help them start. They were saying on the radio how the Lions are confident Calvin Johnson is the real deal and could fill Roy's spot immediately.

Thoughts?

How would Roy fit in Philly?

I think he's be a super-stud

If it were to happen, I think it would be great for the Eagles. It would give them a legit #1 WR. And no doubt he would be very productive. maybe top 8-12?

 

[BigTex]

I hope this doesn't happen (Cowboy Fan)

I'm giddy googa if this happens (McNabb Owner)

 

[scratcher]

I see this as a serious possibility. Lito would likely want a new contract and trade might be contingent on that.

 

[Blackjacks]

I see this as a serious possibility. Lito would likely want a new contract and trade might be contingent on that.

So does Roy

 

[bluesclues]

I think the Lions are getting scammed.

There had better be a pick involved.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I hope this doesn't happen (Cowboy Fan)I'm giddy googa if this happens (McNabb Owner)

As an owner of Roy and Calvin in the same league I would be very excited to see this happen. But the one guy was right, it makes too much sense to happen.

 

[RBM]

Actually makes alot of sense for both

 

[Bob Henry]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

 

[Balco]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

 

[scott72]

I think the Lions are getting scammed.There had better be a pick involved.

Agree. Terrible deal for the Lions unless there is a 3rd rounder or something similar thrown in. That said given the Lions history it will probably go down player for player.

 

[Max Power]

Not a bad trade for the Lions, but not a step in the right direction either.

 

[Max Power]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

Who after Furrey?

 

[The Kansas Comet]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

Who after Furrey?

Don't they have Shaun McDonald as well?

 

[scott72]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

Trading a #1 stud WR for an above average DB is not even in my book. I don't care if he wants out or not, you can't give him away for half the value. If he walks so be it, but constantly accommodating these players because they want out has got to stop sometime.

 

[Couch Potato]

There's also a Fitz to Philly rumor floating. Seems pretty weak though.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/.../0301cards.html

Bob McManaman

The Arizona Republic

Mar. 1, 2008 07:54 PM

Amid wild trade rumors surrounding star wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald possibly going to the Philadelphia Eagles, word surfaced Saturday that the Cardinals' No. 3 wideout, Bryant Johnson, was scheduled to meet with the Buffalo Bills Sunday regarding a potential deal there.

Fitzgerald told ESPN.com on Friday that he doesn't want to be traded from Arizona despite management's requisite that he has his massive salary restructured. Johnson, however, who may feel he has been overshadowed by the likes of Fitzgerald and fellow Pro Bowl receiver Anquan Boldin, might strike gold by going elsewhere.

 

[Donnybrook]

I see this as a serious possibility. Lito would likely want a new contract and trade might be contingent on that.

So does Roy

It doesn't fit the Eagles MO to pay big money to a WR. They could rent him for a couple years like they did with Stallworth.

 

[BigTex]

I hope this doesn't happen (Cowboy Fan)I'm giddy googa if this happens (McNabb Owner)

As an owner of Roy and Calvin in the same league I would be very excited to see this happen. But the one guy was right, it makes too much sense to happen.

Oh, I have Calvin too.

 

[Bob Henry]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

I'm not saying Sheppard is a bad player or that they couldn't make the deal happen. I wouldn't make the deal straight up if I were in the Lions front office. Roy says a lot of BS. He's said he wants to sign here and stay here, but there's also a lot of smoke about him going back to Texas or going elsewhere. If the Lions move Roy, they should shop around a bit and see who else is interested and what else they could get in return. Just my opinion. I don't think Millen would be foolish at all for not doing this deal.I think you're overestimating the Lions WR depth. Mike Furrey is a better slot/WR3 and Shaun McDonald is better as a WR3/WR4. Brandon Middleton and DeVale Ellis are training camp fodder, maybe one of them could develop into a solid special teams player and occasional contributor, but I don't see much beyond that. So, the depth really isn't very good at all if they deal Roy.FWIW, I'm still waiting for Millen to focus on building either of their front lines. Both need help and it cracks me up how they focus on finding corners, safeties, WRs and RBs before they get the help they need on both lines. It's embarrassing that our GM played on teams with great lines and he still doesn't get it.

 

[Max Power]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

Who after Furrey?

Don't they have Shaun McDonald as well?

Yes, but Detroit put him on the block as soon as Martz left. I'm guessing he isn't a Marinelli type guy.

 

[Bob Henry]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

Who after Furrey?

Don't they have Shaun McDonald as well?

Yes, but Detroit put him on the block as soon as Martz left. I'm guessing he isn't a Marinelli type guy.

Or that his perceived value is about as good as it gets... McDonald is what he is, a decent plug-in/depth WR who made a lot of catches last year because the Lions can't protect Kitna long enough to consistently have 5-step drops and longer developing plays. McDonald can get open and he's good after the catch. He's not the kind of guy any team wants to have lining up as their WR2. As much as I like everything that Mike Furrey stands for, he shouldn't be your WR2 either. He's a great guy to have on the team, but if he's the Lions WR2 that's tells me that their depth is nonexistent or lacking.I doubt McDonald gets dealt. He can be useful as he showed last year, but if the Lions had better blocking up front his numbers would be much lower and you'd see more out of Roy and Calvin. The Lions have needed a solid TE for years now but since Martz didn't emphasis one, it wasn't a priority.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Roy will not be allowed to walk next year. If they can't/don't trade him, he will be franchised.

Add me to the side that thinks this would be a terrible move for the Lions.

 

[Couch Potato]

If Roy Williams leaves, I know a couple of former first round WRs they could get for cheap.

 

[phillyphan07]

It seems like people are thinking of this in fantasy terms... a lot of NFL trades don't "make sense" on paper. Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick because the Raiders needed to get rid of him. In comparison, Roy (not as good as Moss) for Lito (better than a 4th) is a much better trade, at least the lions are getting a proven player.

 

[Bob Henry]

It seems like people are thinking of this in fantasy terms... a lot of NFL trades don't "make sense" on paper. Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick because the Raiders needed to get rid of him. In comparison, Roy (not as good as Moss) for Lito (better than a 4th) is a much better trade, at least the lions are getting a proven player.

So, are you assuming the Lions NEED to get rid of Roy?

 

[delusional]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

Trading a #1 stud WR for an above average DB is not even in my book. I don't care if he wants out or not, you can't give him away for half the value. If he walks so be it, but constantly accommodating these players because they want out has got to stop sometime.

Uh lito is more then above average

 

[Cable]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

Trading a #1 stud WR for an above average DB is not even in my book. I don't care if he wants out or not, you can't give him away for half the value. If he walks so be it, but constantly accommodating these players because they want out has got to stop sometime.

You're talking about a 2 time Pro-Bowler who's signed thru 2011 on a very cap friendly contract. I'd say Lito is a good NFL starting CB. He's had injury issues, but so has Williams.

 

[FUBAR]

With many FA WRs already signing, Philly and Tennessee should pursue Roy. Too bad Pacman screwed this up for Fisher.

 

[King of the Jungle]

It seems like people are thinking of this in fantasy terms... a lot of NFL trades don't "make sense" on paper. Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick because the Raiders needed to get rid of him. In comparison, Roy (not as good as Moss) for Lito (better than a 4th) is a much better trade, at least the lions are getting a proven player.

So, are you assuming the Lions NEED to get rid of Roy?

They do not NEED to, but, if they feel Williams is flying the coop after this season it makes sense to trade him and get some value in return. They know (or should know) that they are not a contender this year, so keeping Roy for one more year and losing him to FA does not make much sense.

 

[mo542]

If you want a WR, you have the best WR in the league that you can have for no compensation. In addition, a team might be able to pry Boldin or Fitzgerald from Arizona. Furthermore, if a team decides the Lions are asking for too much, you have some “plan b” options in Javon Walker and Johnson. If a team needs a corner, how many multiple pro bowl corners are available? For those reasons, I think a straight up deal, Lito for Williams, is fair.

 

[Bob Henry]

It seems like people are thinking of this in fantasy terms... a lot of NFL trades don't "make sense" on paper. Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick because the Raiders needed to get rid of him. In comparison, Roy (not as good as Moss) for Lito (better than a 4th) is a much better trade, at least the lions are getting a proven player.

So, are you assuming the Lions NEED to get rid of Roy?

They do not NEED to, but, if they feel Williams is flying the coop after this season it makes sense to trade him and get some value in return. They know (or should know) that they are not a contender this year, so keeping Roy for one more year and losing him to FA does not make much sense.

Unless, as Anthony Borbely asserts, they tag him and keep him in the roost. I'm not in any way disparaging Lito Sheppard as a player. My points are more in-line with this being a silly move for the Lions if it goes down straight up. It's entirely unneccesary. You also state the Lions won't be a contenter this year. You're probably right, but they have a better chance to come a contender with Roy in honululu blue than without. If they are dead set on dealing him, and I don't think they are, then they'd be better off looking for somone to help them on either of their lines than to add another corner. They can do that in the draft and have someone more likely to contribute as a rookie than an offensive/defensive lineman or another WR (heaven forbid they draft another one).

 

[buck naked]

I doubt the Lions play the multiple WR set like they have the last couple of Mike Martz years. If they don't, they have a surplus of WR's.

 

[fatness]

I don't care if he wants out or not, you can't give him away for half the value. If he walks so be it, but constantly accommodating these players because they want out has got to stop sometime.

I don't think NFL teams make decisions this way.

 

[scott72]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

Trading a #1 stud WR for an above average DB is not even in my book. I don't care if he wants out or not, you can't give him away for half the value. If he walks so be it, but constantly accommodating these players because they want out has got to stop sometime.

Uh lito is more then above average

Really? He's so good that there's no room for his studly skills in Philly?

 

[dirtywaters20]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

Trading a #1 stud WR for an above average DB is not even in my book. I don't care if he wants out or not, you can't give him away for half the value. If he walks so be it, but constantly accommodating these players because they want out has got to stop sometime.

Uh lito is more then above average

Really? He's so good that there's no room for his studly skills in Philly?

Wow so smarmy & yet so misinformed. It's a contract issue; plain and simple. He's the same age as Roy Williams (26) and has made the pro bowl twice, one more than Williams has. They both have durability issues. People acting like this is a lop-sided deal are doing so with their fantasy football blinders on.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

FWIW, I'm still waiting for Millen to focus on building either of their front lines. Both need help and it cracks me up how they focus on finding corners, safeties, WRs and RBs before they get the help they need on both lines. It's embarrassing that our GM played on teams with great lines and he still doesn't get it.

The nail is hit on the head in this paragraph. The Lions have and will remain terrible b/c they don't seem to know how to scout DL and OL and they have not emphasized either in years. I'm so glad the Fords and Millen are in Detroit. One less thing to worry about for Green Bay.

 

[stp-d]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

Trading a #1 stud WR for an above average DB is not even in my book. I don't care if he wants out or not, you can't give him away for half the value. If he walks so be it, but constantly accommodating these players because they want out has got to stop sometime.

Uh lito is more then above average

Really? He's so good that there's no room for his studly skills in Philly?

Wow so smarmy & yet so misinformed. It's a contract issue; plain and simple. He's the same age as Roy Williams (26) and has made the pro bowl twice, one more than Williams has. They both have durability issues. People acting like this is a lop-sided deal are doing so with their fantasy football blinders on.

All too often this happens in the forums. Lito was not all too happy before, and will be very unhappy seeing Samuel in town. Roy is not happy. They are both young pro bowlers and there team can spare them and have a need in the other spot.This Eagle fan would love to see it happen, but FF wise, Roy's upside goes down.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Be thankful..............

 

[ThePittbully]

As a Roy owner Ill be all

 

[Blackjacks]

There's no way the Lions do this deal straight up, IMO. Then again, I'm not Matt Millen.

Why not?Assuming they can extend Sheppard, Millen would be foolish not to do this deal. Williams is not coming back to the Lions, and he will be a free agent next year, I believe. Getting Sheppard in return for a guy who would be walking the next year is a good deal. And like I said, they have some receiver depth, as well.

Trading a #1 stud WR for an above average DB is not even in my book. I don't care if he wants out or not, you can't give him away for half the value. If he walks so be it, but constantly accommodating these players because they want out has got to stop sometime.

Uh lito is more then above average

Really? He's so good that there's no room for his studly skills in Philly?

Wow so smarmy & yet so misinformed. It's a contract issue; plain and simple. He's the same age as Roy Williams (26) and has made the pro bowl twice, one more than Williams has. They both have durability issues. People acting like this is a lop-sided deal are doing so with their fantasy football blinders on.

All too often this happens in the forums. Lito was not all too happy before, and will be very unhappy seeing Samuel in town. Roy is not happy. They are both young pro bowlers and there team can spare them and have a need in the other spot.This Eagle fan would love to see it happen, but FF wise, Roy's upside goes down.

I have to disagree

 

[vandyt]

To everyone saying ROY WANTS OUT,

Is there a reason the Lions won't be able to franchise tag him and trade him next offseason?

 

[Max Power]

The Eagles have reportedly contacted the Redskins about Lito Sheppard "several times" in the past few weeks.

Maybe the Birds didn't permit Sheppard to seek a trade, but that doesn't mean they're not shopping him. Philadelphia is said to have little reservation about trading Sheppard inside the division. It's believed that Shawn Springs might have been part of a potential deal. No trade is imminent.

Source: Washington Post

 

[Anthony Borbely]

To everyone saying ROY WANTS OUT, Is there a reason the Lions won't be able to franchise tag him and trade him next offseason?

None.

 

[Texasmouth]

I love how guys talk about possible scenarios on Sirius....it become a "rumor."

This was just guys talking.

 

[Blackjacks]

I love how guys talk about possible scenarios on Sirius....it become a "rumor."This was just guys talking.

It was Pat Kiwan, I believe, and he said he had heard from sources inside Detroit's front office about these rumblings. It wasn't just 2 guys throwing out trades.

 

[thatguythere]

Roy is going to have his biggest year yet. No more deep drops and long routes under Martz. More three step stuff and get the ball to Roy and let him run. Not only that but if Calvin stays healthy who are you going to double? If the Lions don't start throwing some jump balls to these big receivers they are stupid...why wouldn't you? Roy isn't going anywhere and definitely not straight up for Lito Sheppard.....stranger things have happened under Millen the mustache.

 

[AnonymousBob]

As a Calvin Johnson owner, I hope there is truth to this rumor.

 

[Snotbubbles]

To everyone saying ROY WANTS OUT, Is there a reason the Lions won't be able to franchise tag him and trade him next offseason?

Having a malcontent in the locker room is never a good thing for any team.

 

[dotman]

I would LOVE this to happen. I think Roy would get 10-12 TD no problem in the Birds offense.