Rumors from the Combine (1 Viewer)

[Chadstroma]

So the Lions are trying to get rid of their best defensive player and their best offensive player.

Ok then.

 

[Max Power]

Here is a nice article from a local paper talking about how both Kevin Jones and Roy Williams plan to bolt ASAP.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/stories/index.s....xml&coll=6

 

[Balco]

So the Lions are trying to get rid of their best defensive player and their best offensive player. Ok then.

I actually think trading Roy at this time would be smart for the Lions. I don't think they "want" to get rid of him, but his value will never be higher. The draft class and free agent pool is not very deep or talented. Williams would be a huge get for any team. Now Rodgers on the other hand . . . something isn't right. Yes, the guy takes 15 plays off a game, has weight problems . . . etc., but he is still a dominant D Tackle. Millen said something like "Weight is the least of his problems". Something is going on there.

 

[FUBAR]

*The availability of wide receiver Roy Williams is also in hot debate with Jacksonville, Tennessee, Tampa Bay and New Orleans all interested. The Lions are looking for a second round pick and have told several clubs they would even consider a pick in next years' draft to get a deal done.

No comments on this bit? Has this already been rumored?

Ya, I posted this in the Cowboys thread over a month ago and everybody wanted to beat me up about it.I just told them to be patient, it would come out eventually.

great, but how are the Cowboys involved with this post?

Post #91They'll be involved if they don't land Fitzgerald.

I know. You said you posted "this", which doesn't mention Dallas.

 

[ThePittbully]

The rumor is that once he becomes a FA he will jump ship to Dallas, Houston or NO in order to be closer to his family.

he would fantastic in black and gold.

Hell yea, Roy for a 2nd rounder? Ill take that every day of the week. Can you imagine Roy, Colston and Bush? Throw in Pierre Thomas, and if we can get our TE game going that offense is a steamroller

 

[redman]

*Rutgers' offensive lineman Jeremy Zuttah's interviews have also been going very well. One A.F.C. North G.M. who interviewed him Friday night said he specifically asked him a question right at the beginning to throw this kid off. He questioned his ability to play tackle or guard at the next level and told him several reasons why he felt that way and asked him how he could overcome it to make himself a player? Zuttah, without hesitation, said that no offensive lineman in this draft plays with more effort and "want to" than him and that if this G.M. drafted him he'd work extremely hard to become a pro bowl center. His remarks shocked the G.M. and he went on to say it was one of the better interviews he has seen.

Shocked......seriously? They must have to sit through some really poor interviews.

Actually, I find all the war stories about snappy responses to be funny in light of the weight they're apparently given.

Ok, so the guy can rap with you, but that doesn't change you see on film, chief. Now, if they demonstrate in their interviews that they understand coverages, blitz pickups, etc., that's a different story, but defiants statements in response to criticism isn't all that impressive if you ask me.

 

[Avery]

*Rutgers' offensive lineman Jeremy Zuttah's interviews have also been going very well. One A.F.C. North G.M. who interviewed him Friday night said he specifically asked him a question right at the beginning to throw this kid off. He questioned his ability to play tackle or guard at the next level and told him several reasons why he felt that way and asked him how he could overcome it to make himself a player? Zuttah, without hesitation, said that no offensive lineman in this draft plays with more effort and "want to" than him and that if this G.M. drafted him he'd work extremely hard to become a pro bowl center. His remarks shocked the G.M. and he went on to say it was one of the better interviews he has seen.

Shocked......seriously? They must have to sit through some really poor interviews.

Actually, I find all the war stories about snappy responses to be funny in light of the weight they're apparently given.

Ok, so the guy can rap with you, but that doesn't change you see on film, chief. Now, if they demonstrate in their interviews that they understand coverages, blitz pickups, etc., that's a different story, but defiants statements in response to criticism isn't all that impressive if you ask me.

It is a decent look into their character however. As much as GMs, scouts and fantasy football players would like the combine and the draft to be an exact science it isn't. There are a lot of physical specimens and combine freaks who do not succeed on the NFL level because they don't have enough "want to".

You obviously don't draft a guy on desire alone, but it is not outlandish to consider it.

 

[redman]

*Rutgers' offensive lineman Jeremy Zuttah's interviews have also been going very well. One A.F.C. North G.M. who interviewed him Friday night said he specifically asked him a question right at the beginning to throw this kid off. He questioned his ability to play tackle or guard at the next level and told him several reasons why he felt that way and asked him how he could overcome it to make himself a player? Zuttah, without hesitation, said that no offensive lineman in this draft plays with more effort and "want to" than him and that if this G.M. drafted him he'd work extremely hard to become a pro bowl center. His remarks shocked the G.M. and he went on to say it was one of the better interviews he has seen.

Shocked......seriously? They must have to sit through some really poor interviews.

Actually, I find all the war stories about snappy responses to be funny in light of the weight they're apparently given.

Ok, so the guy can rap with you, but that doesn't change you see on film, chief. Now, if they demonstrate in their interviews that they understand coverages, blitz pickups, etc., that's a different story, but defiants statements in response to criticism isn't all that impressive if you ask me.

It is a decent look into their character however. As much as GMs, scouts and fantasy football players would like the combine and the draft to be an exact science it isn't. There are a lot of physical specimens and combine freaks who do not succeed on the NFL level because they don't have enough "want to".

You obviously don't draft a guy on desire alone, but it is not outlandish to consider it.

Believe me, I agree that interviews are important. You find out a lot about workplace compatibility of a person, etc. It's just that there are as many non-verbal messages as verbal ones, and the stories about these meetings lose a LOT in the retelling.

 

[Andy Herron]

*The availability of wide receiver Roy Williams is also in hot debate with Jacksonville, Tennessee, Tampa Bay and New Orleans all interested. The Lions are looking for a second round pick and have told several clubs they would even consider a pick in next years' draft to get a deal done.

No comments on this bit? Has this already been rumored?

Ya, I posted this in the Cowboys thread over a month ago and everybody wanted to beat me up about it.I just told them to be patient, it would come out eventually.

great, but how are the Cowboys involved with this post?

Post #91They'll be involved if they don't land Fitzgerald.

I know. You said you posted "this", which doesn't mention Dallas.

I was referring more to his availability than the teams mentioned, but Dallas is in it.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

McFadden Broad 10.8.

Not sure, is that good?

 

[EBF]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

Very good.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

Very good.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Mike Hart 28' Vert Jump.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

Vert Jump 33" is that good?

 

[EBF]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

Vert Jump 33" is that good?

Good prospects usually do at least 35. Some numbers from the past two years:Booker - 35.5Bradshaw - 34Henry - 36Lynch - 35.5Peterson - 38.5Irons - 38Jackson - 37Addai - 38.5Bush - 40.5MJD - 36DWill - 35.5Norwood - 36.5Calhoun - 31.5Not sure why the numbers are so bad this year.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

Vert Jump 33" is that good?

Good prospects usually do at least 35. Some numbers from the past two years:Booker - 35.5Bradshaw - 34Henry - 36Lynch - 35.5Peterson - 38.5Irons - 38Jackson - 37Addai - 38.5Bush - 40.5MJD - 36DWill - 35.5Norwood - 36.5Calhoun - 31.5Not sure why the numbers are so bad this year.

It's close to what I thought He would do. 34 was my guess.But it is still good. Great NO.

 

[LHUCKS]

Irons - 38

Let's try to keep this on the low, I'm enjoying the "Chris Perry and Kenny Watson are better RBs than Irons" commentary here in the shark pool.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Stewart 36.5, thats very good.

 

[EBF]

Irons - 38

Let's try to keep this on the low, I'm enjoying the "Chris Perry and Kenny Watson are better RBs than Irons" commentary.

IMO, Irons was clearly the third best back last year. I think he would've made some noise if he hadn't gotten injured. His problem is the same as Caddy's: he runs like a power back, but has the body of a scat back. Basically, he takes too many hits.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

*The availability of wide receiver Roy Williams is also in hot debate with Jacksonville, Tennessee, Tampa Bay and New Orleans all interested. The Lions are looking for a second round pick and have told several clubs they would even consider a pick in next years' draft to get a deal done.

No comments on this bit? Has this already been rumored?

Jacksonville probably has the least leverage of all 2nd round picks but it would be a coup if chose Jacksonville. Great player at a great value. And a proven #1.

 

[QuizGuy66]

My gut reaction reading #82 is that the Bengals will definitely go Connor if Ellis and Ghouston are gone at #9 (gotta figure one of the 3 will drop there) and that they'll look to draft that Rutgers kid as a center (what round is he supposed to fall to?). I'll have a little fun here and imagine the reaction to an LFitz for Chad swap

-QG

 

[Chadstroma]

So the Lions are trying to get rid of their best defensive player and their best offensive player. Ok then.

I actually think trading Roy at this time would be smart for the Lions. I don't think they "want" to get rid of him, but his value will never be higher. The draft class and free agent pool is not very deep or talented. Williams would be a huge get for any team. Now Rodgers on the other hand . . . something isn't right. Yes, the guy takes 15 plays off a game, has weight problems . . . etc., but he is still a dominant D Tackle. Millen said something like "Weight is the least of his problems". Something is going on there.

I guess the talk is that Roy is going to leave as soon as he can one way or the other- so I guess it makes sense to get some value for him when you can. But it just tells you something about the franchise when your best young players on both sides of the ball are being looked to be shipped.

 

[Junta]

1. IF Quentin Groves is healthy, he is capable of a 4.4 and will be a top 20 pick. I'm not sold myself, as he never looked effective after the multiple-toe-dislocation.

2. Oakland makes too much sense for M.Turner. They already believe in taking that kind of player. Not only Jordan, but nearly all of their recent Super Bowl team. This draft is deep on both lines, and that's where they would like to spend their picks. J.Fargas is the best back on the team (sorry M.Bush supporters, but he'll likely be out of football in 3 more years).

Why the quick dead end on Bush? What has he shown or not shown at this level to make any sort of guess on what he might do? Dude was a beast before the leg injury and nothing I have read says he won't be fully ready to take his shot this year. If he were in the rookie class this year, where would you rank him?

 

[Ned]

:blackfndot:

 

[moderated]

1. IF Quentin Groves is healthy, he is capable of a 4.4 and will be a top 20 pick. I'm not sold myself, as he never looked effective after the multiple-toe-dislocation.

2. Oakland makes too much sense for M.Turner. They already believe in taking that kind of player. Not only Jordan, but nearly all of their recent Super Bowl team. This draft is deep on both lines, and that's where they would like to spend their picks. J.Fargas is the best back on the team (sorry M.Bush supporters, but he'll likely be out of football in 3 more years).

Why the quick dead end on Bush? What has he shown or not shown at this level to make any sort of guess on what he might do? Dude was a beast before the leg injury and nothing I have read says he won't be fully ready to take his shot this year. If he were in the rookie class this year, where would you rank him?

I'd rank him around the 8th-10th RB if he was in this class.

 

[simmonjm]

1. IF Quentin Groves is healthy, he is capable of a 4.4 and will be a top 20 pick. I'm not sold myself, as he never looked effective after the multiple-toe-dislocation.

2. Oakland makes too much sense for M.Turner. They already believe in taking that kind of player. Not only Jordan, but nearly all of their recent Super Bowl team. This draft is deep on both lines, and that's where they would like to spend their picks. J.Fargas is the best back on the team (sorry M.Bush supporters, but he'll likely be out of football in 3 more years).

Why the quick dead end on Bush? What has he shown or not shown at this level to make any sort of guess on what he might do? Dude was a beast before the leg injury and nothing I have read says he won't be fully ready to take his shot this year. If he were in the rookie class this year, where would you rank him?

DMacMedenhall

Stewart

Michael Bush

F. Jones

Ray Rice

Chris Johnson

Kevin Smith

Mike Hart

Jamal Charles

 

[Cookiemonster]

1. IF Quentin Groves is healthy, he is capable of a 4.4 and will be a top 20 pick. I'm not sold myself, as he never looked effective after the multiple-toe-dislocation.

2. Oakland makes too much sense for M.Turner. They already believe in taking that kind of player. Not only Jordan, but nearly all of their recent Super Bowl team. This draft is deep on both lines, and that's where they would like to spend their picks. J.Fargas is the best back on the team (sorry M.Bush supporters, but he'll likely be out of football in 3 more years).

Why the quick dead end on Bush? What has he shown or not shown at this level to make any sort of guess on what he might do? Dude was a beast before the leg injury and nothing I have read says he won't be fully ready to take his shot this year. If he were in the rookie class this year, where would you rank him?

From what I saw of him, he wasn't a beast. He was not quick, nor tough. For a guy his size, he didn't run w/ a lot of power and didn't have nearly the lateral movement of say, Jacobs. I saw Ron Dayne again, maybe. Big and fast is a problem for a lot of college defenders. Not so in the NFL. His backup looked almost as good as Bush did after the broken leg.

 

[Cookiemonster]

1. IF Quentin Groves is healthy, he is capable of a 4.4 and will be a top 20 pick. I'm not sold myself, as he never looked effective after the multiple-toe-dislocation.

2. Oakland makes too much sense for M.Turner. They already believe in taking that kind of player. Not only Jordan, but nearly all of their recent Super Bowl team. This draft is deep on both lines, and that's where they would like to spend their picks. J.Fargas is the best back on the team (sorry M.Bush supporters, but he'll likely be out of football in 3 more years).

Why the quick dead end on Bush? What has he shown or not shown at this level to make any sort of guess on what he might do? Dude was a beast before the leg injury and nothing I have read says he won't be fully ready to take his shot this year. If he were in the rookie class this year, where would you rank him?

DMacMedenhall

Stewart

F. Jones

Ray Rice

Chris Johnson

Kevin Smith

Mike Hart

Michael Bush

Jamal Charles

Maybe even Forte, Choice and Charles above Bush.

 

[jeter23]

Another update- mostly college/draft stuff here...

*West Virginia wide receiver Darius Reynaud has really impressed in interviews and many think he maybe this years "Devin Hester type". He is a very rare athlete and has extreme agility and quickness. Many scouts and personnel people have commented that they thought DeSean Jackson of Cal-Berkeley had this area locked up, but at weigh-ins people saw both in shorts and Reynaud is chiseled and Jackson looks more like a tailback than a wide receiver. He is sure to get more people to look at his West Virginia canned film.

*University of Texas wide receiver Limas Sweed has also done quite well in interviews, but every person who sees him wants to know what he will run? That is the one question he has not answered. Sweed, however,says confidently that speed concerns will go away here in Indy

*With David Givens set to be released shortly in Tennesse, via and injury settlement after a devastating ACL injury with a tibial plateau fracture, and Eric Moulds running on empty and Justin Gage set to leave in free agency, Sweed is most commonly linked to Tennessee's 24 pick due to their need at wide receiver and his relationship with Vince Young. Titans scouts are very tight lipped about this prospect up here, but he was their first interview.

*Seattle has added several running backs and wide receivers to their interview lists. They are looking for game ready skill guys who can make an early impact for Holmgren's final season. They have said they were very impressed with East Carolina tailback Chris Johnson and Oregon's Jonathan Stewart, but likely will have to move up to get both if they run what we hear they will run their forties in -- both are rumored to run sub 4.4's from their camps....One wide receiver Seattle really likes is Vanderbilt's Earl Bennett, because he is a great route runner already and he is quick out of breaks much like Deion Branch. Bennett has reportedly also hit the ball out of the park in interviews.

*Ex-Michigan star Chad Henne is the quarterback making a move. Much like Jay Cutler did at the blackboard here in Indy. Henne is challenging all opinions now because he has a great football IQ already and he is moving up. Miami, Atlanta and Kansas City will likely make their moves up to get this guy in the top of round two.

*Some wide receivers also having good interviews are Andre Caldwell of Florida, Lavelle Hawkins of Cal-Berkely, Adrian Arrington and Mario Manningham of Michigan, Lorne Sam of U.T.E.P. Eddie Royal of Virginia Tech, Jordy Nelson of Kansas State and Devon Bess of Hawaii....Guys who may have stumbled a little bit in interviews include Adarius Bowman of Oklahoma State, Mario Urrutia of Louisville, Marcus Monk of Arkansas and Early Doucet of L.S.U.

*The N.F.L. looks for X, Y and Z WR's....The best slot guys this year look to be Danny Amendola of Texas Tech, Earl Bennett of Vanderbilt, Early Doucet of L.S.U., Lorne Sam of U.T.E.P., Lavelle Hawkins of Cal-Berkely and Eddie Royal of Virginia Tech....The best possession targets will be Jordy Nelson of Kansas State, Mario Urrutia of Louisville, D.J. Hall of Alabama and Andre Caldwell of Florida, who many think reminds them of Darrell Jackson

*The Deep targets are few and far between in this draft.....Malcolm Kelly of Oklahoma (prototype west coast offense Z WR), Adrian Arrington and Mario Manningham of Michigan and Harry Douglas of Louisville.....Nebraska's Maruice Purify also looks to be an ideal west coast offense wide receiver, but his off field issues may knock him down and make him a value. San Francisco seems very interested in him. Most expect these guys to also run well....The speed burners are DeSean Jackson (small frame), Donnie Avery of Houston (who wont run) and Darius Reynaud. These guys project more as special teams ace's in their rookie year.

*A defensive back to keep a look out for is Marcus Griffin of Texas. He is the twin brother of Mike Griffin the former first rounder taken last year. The Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texans had great interviews with him and many here have added him to must interview list. It will be interesting to see his work out. If he is athletic as his brother, he will force many scouts back to his game tape. This could be much like Dawan Landy (5th rounder two years ago) and LaRon Landry (6th overall last year) as the next dynamic brother duo at safety. The safety spot is deemed weak this year, so any surprise numbers may force a move up draft boards.

 

[FavreCo]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

His explosiveness is not in doubt. It's just about everything else.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

His explosiveness is not in doubt. It's just about everything else.

Forgot He's not fast.

 

[FavreCo]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

His explosiveness is not in doubt. It's just about everything else.

Forgot He's not fast.

Little help for ya. You can't be fast without being explosive (explosive = fast). You are welcome.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

His explosiveness is not in doubt. It's just about everything else.

Forgot He's not fast.

Little help for ya. You can't be fast without being explosive (explosive = fast). You are welcome.

So the Combine is rigged for McFadden to do well.Thats just not fair.

 

[The_Burning_Bush]

The rumor is that once he becomes a FA he will jump ship to Dallas, Houston or NO in order to be closer to his family.

he would fantastic in black and gold.

Hell yea, Roy for a 2nd rounder? Ill take that every day of the week. Can you imagine Roy, Colston and Bush? Throw in Pierre Thomas, and if we can get our TE game going that offense is a steamroller

But there are a lot of good linebackers to be had in the second round, coupled with the fact they are few quality LB's in FA, I don't know if I would do this.

 

[redman]

*The Deep targets are few and far between in this draft.....Malcolm Kelly of Oklahoma (prototype west coast offense Z WR), Adrian Arrington and Mario Manningham of Michigan and Harry Douglas of Louisville.....Nebraska's Maruice Purify also looks to be an ideal west coast offense wide receiver, but his off field issues may knock him down and make him a value. San Francisco seems very interested in him. Most expect these guys to also run well....The speed burners are DeSean Jackson (small frame), Donnie Avery of Houston (who wont run) and Darius Reynaud. These guys project more as special teams ace's in their rookie year.

 

[Couch Potato]

1. IF Quentin Groves is healthy, he is capable of a 4.4 and will be a top 20 pick. I'm not sold myself, as he never looked effective after the multiple-toe-dislocation.

2. Oakland makes too much sense for M.Turner. They already believe in taking that kind of player. Not only Jordan, but nearly all of their recent Super Bowl team. This draft is deep on both lines, and that's where they would like to spend their picks. J.Fargas is the best back on the team (sorry M.Bush supporters, but he'll likely be out of football in 3 more years).

Why the quick dead end on Bush? What has he shown or not shown at this level to make any sort of guess on what he might do? Dude was a beast before the leg injury and nothing I have read says he won't be fully ready to take his shot this year. If he were in the rookie class this year, where would you rank him?

DMacMedenhall

Stewart

F. Jones

Ray Rice

Chris Johnson

Kevin Smith

Mike Hart

Michael Bush

Jamal Charles

Maybe even Forte, Choice and Charles above Bush.

Personally, I've never bought into the Michael Bush hype. He was the 10th RB drafted and a 4th rounder because his broken leg was a pretty serious matter. He's also 250 pounds, and RBs of that size who have been successful with any longevity are few and far between. And, although he put up big stats at Louisville, so did Eric Shelton who preceded him and busted as a 2nd round NFL pick. Finally, he's a Raider. So, I've just never really had any interest in owning Bush and don't see why there's always been so much love for him on this board. He's likely to never amount to very much as a fantasy commodity.

 

[jeter23]

*Rumor around Indy is that veteran linebacker Derrick Smith (ex-San Francisco) has signed with the Chargers. Word is Cleveland and the Patriots were interested him

*Also, we heard the Carolina Panthers will likely announce the signing of wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad to a deal Monday (one year, $1.5 million)

*Additionally, there were some rumors in Indy about Jacksonville and the New York Jets talking about a Dwayne Robertson for Mike Peterson swap.

*Look for defensive end Jevon Kearse too get a lot of action when he's released by Philadelphia, but he is not going to get much money from anyone. Jacksonville and Tennessee keep getting mentioned because most think his agent Drew Rosenhaus knows that is where all the cap money lies this year. Both teams need defensive ends, but we have heard Justin Smith is the guy they both really want.

*Linebacker Dan Morgan is getting lukewarm interest around the N.F.L. due to his injury history, but we are starting to hear now that since the Patriots have lost out on Zach Thomas (Friday night at St. Elmo's Steakhouse the word was he was a Pat), they are toying with the idea of signing Morgan, if he is willing to play on a one year, incentive laden deal. While this has heated up, rumors from Bob Kraft are that Tedy Bruschi is close to making a retirement decision as well.

*With Asante Samuel ready to steal a Brinks truck next Friday, the Patriots are now in discussions with the Philadelphia Eagles about acquiring Lito Shepard in a trade.

*Titans defensive end Antwan Odom is getting interest already from Oakland and Philadelphia....Also, look for his fellow Tennessee defensive end Travis Laboy to wind up back on the West Coast. Most likely in Oakland or Seattle, according to his agent. We hear the Indianapolis Colts are interested in LaBoy, as a hedge on Dwight Freeney's Lis Franc recovery which is progressing slowly. Problem is the Colts have little money to get it done unless they restructure some of the big deals they recently got done in the last year.

*Denver has not even contacted kicker Jason Elam's agents. They are apparently ready to draft a kicker to replace him and the name they are looking at is Taylor Mehlhaff from Wisconsin. They feel since he has kicked in horrible weather and he will get a big effect from the new altitude on his kickoffs, so he seems to be their primary target. He is a left footer so getting him signed early and working with the new holder, who is used to Elam's right footed style, is a must.

 

[FavreCo]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

His explosiveness is not in doubt. It's just about everything else.

Forgot He's not fast.

Little help for ya. You can't be fast without being explosive (explosive = fast). You are welcome.

So the Combine is rigged for McFadden to do well.Thats just not fair.

Wow. You really are not making any sense. Anyway, have fun with toothpick legs McFadden.

 

[nerangers]

Here are the top 10 running back 40 times:

Chris Johnson, East Carolina -- 4.24

Darren McFadden, Arkansas -- 4.33

Anthony Aldridge, Houston -- 4.36

Jamaal Charles, Texas -- 4.38

Chad Simpson, Morgan St. -- 4.42

Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois -- 4.45

Matthew Forte, Tulane -- 4.46

Felix Jones, Arkansas -- 4.47

Jalen Parmele, Toldeo -- 4.47

Jonathan Stewart, Oregon -- 4.48

INDIANAPOLIS -- East Carolina running back Chris Johnson posted the top 40-yard dash time of the combine thus far with a blazing 4.24 today. That was even faster than Arkansas running back Darren McFadden, who is supposed to be a top five pick.

 

[msommer]

Here are the top 10 running back 40 times:Chris Johnson, East Carolina -- 4.24Darren McFadden, Arkansas -- 4.33Anthony Aldridge, Houston -- 4.36Jamaal Charles, Texas -- 4.38Chad Simpson, Morgan St. -- 4.42Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois -- 4.45Matthew Forte, Tulane -- 4.46Felix Jones, Arkansas -- 4.47Jalen Parmele, Toldeo -- 4.47Jonathan Stewart, Oregon -- 4.48INDIANAPOLIS -- East Carolina running back Chris Johnson posted the top 40-yard dash time of the combine thus far with a blazing 4.24 today. That was even faster than Arkansas running back Darren McFadden, who is supposed to be a top five pick.

They seem pretty fast

 

[-X-]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

His explosiveness is not in doubt. It's just about everything else.

Forgot He's not fast.

Little help for ya. You can't be fast without being explosive (explosive = fast). You are welcome.

Wrong, explosive = quick. It is possible to be fast (think top speed) without being quick/explosive.HTH

 

[Dodge]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

His explosiveness is not in doubt. It's just about everything else.

Forgot He's not fast.

Little help for ya. You can't be fast without being explosive (explosive = fast). You are welcome.

Wrong, explosive = quick. It is possible to be fast (think top speed) without being quick/explosive.

Think Brandon Jacobs as fast but not quick. He's in the 4.4 range but it takes a little longer to get there, plus he's not as quick in the hips so he can't change directions as fast.

 

[az_prof]

1. IF Quentin Groves is healthy, he is capable of a 4.4 and will be a top 20 pick. I'm not sold myself, as he never looked effective after the multiple-toe-dislocation.

2. Oakland makes too much sense for M.Turner. They already believe in taking that kind of player. Not only Jordan, but nearly all of their recent Super Bowl team. This draft is deep on both lines, and that's where they would like to spend their picks. J.Fargas is the best back on the team (sorry M.Bush supporters, but he'll likely be out of football in 3 more years).

Why the quick dead end on Bush? What has he shown or not shown at this level to make any sort of guess on what he might do? Dude was a beast before the leg injury and nothing I have read says he won't be fully ready to take his shot this year. If he were in the rookie class this year, where would you rank him?

DMacMedenhall

Stewart

F. Jones

Ray Rice

Chris Johnson

Kevin Smith

Mike Hart

Michael Bush

Jamal Charles

Maybe even Forte, Choice and Charles above Bush.

Personally, I've never bought into the Michael Bush hype. He was the 10th RB drafted and a 4th rounder because his broken leg was a pretty serious matter. He's also 250 pounds, and RBs of that size who have been successful with any longevity are few and far between. And, although he put up big stats at Louisville, so did Eric Shelton who preceded him and busted as a 2nd round NFL pick. Finally, he's a Raider. So, I've just never really had any interest in owning Bush and don't see why there's always been so much love for him on this board. He's likely to never amount to very much as a fantasy commodity.

I traded for him last year (buy low...) in the middle of the season and I am very high on him because of what I have seen of him in tape. For such a big guy he has good quickness and very good footwork and agility. The big guys who fail (Dayne eg.) lack these skills. He is able to make guys miss and yet also can run over them and has the strength to get extra yards. As far as the Oakland situation, I like it. The OL came together last year and right now he has an not so young and oft injured RB in Fargas in front of him. He should be starting by week 5.

 

[zadok]

*With Asante Samuel ready to steal a Brinks truck next Friday, the Patriots are now in discussions with the Philadelphia Eagles about acquiring Lito Shepard in a trade.

This has GOT to mean the Eagles are targeting Samuel in FA.

 

[Avery]

*With Asante Samuel ready to steal a Brinks truck next Friday, the Patriots are now in discussions with the Philadelphia Eagles about acquiring Lito Shepard in a trade.

This has GOT to mean the Eagles are targeting Samuel in FA.

Why?

 

[zadok]

*With Asante Samuel ready to steal a Brinks truck next Friday, the Patriots are now in discussions with the Philadelphia Eagles about acquiring Lito Shepard in a trade.

This has GOT to mean the Eagles are targeting Samuel in FA.

Why?

No CB to replace Lito on their roster. No other top CB in FA. Would not start a rookie.Unless they are planning on another trade to bring in Deangelo Hall or some damn thing.

 

[Two Deep]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

His explosiveness is not in doubt. It's just about everything else.

Forgot He's not fast.

Little help for ya. You can't be fast without being explosive (explosive = fast). You are welcome.

Wrong, explosive = quick. It is possible to be fast (think top speed) without being quick/explosive.HTH

My scouting department tells me to always take a quick back over a pure speed back. I'll be waiting for the shuttle runs, thats where you learn things.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

His explosiveness is not in doubt. It's just about everything else.

Forgot He's not fast.

Little help for ya. You can't be fast without being explosive (explosive = fast). You are welcome.

Wrong, explosive = quick. It is possible to be fast (think top speed) without being quick/explosive.HTH

My scouting department tells me to always take a quick back over a pure speed back. I'll be waiting for the shuttle runs, thats where you learn things.

Change the word back to wr or TE and I agree with you completely.

 

[az_prof]

McFadden Broad 10.8. Not sure, is that good?

His explosiveness is not in doubt. It's just about everything else.

Forgot He's not fast.

Little help for ya. You can't be fast without being explosive (explosive = fast). You are welcome.

Wrong, explosive = quick. It is possible to be fast (think top speed) without being quick/explosive.HTH

My scouting department tells me to always take a quick back over a pure speed back. I'll be waiting for the shuttle runs, thats where you learn things.

If 4.5 is sort of the benchmark for 40 times, what is the benchmark for shuttle? What is the minimum you are looking for and what is the range that really makes you take notice? Thanks.

 

[Workhorse]

Health notwithstanding, I'd rather have Lito Sheppard than Asante Samuel.