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TheIronSheik

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Say you're in a movie type situation where you're being held by a bad guy at gun point in a cabin in the woods. You pick your moment, knock him to the ground where he is woozy, and you make your escape. Your head start is big enough that he doesn't see you, but he is only a short distance behind you.

Do you find a hiding space and stay quiet hoping that he can't find you in the heavily wooded forest? Or do you run until you can find help?

I see this situation in movies all of the time and it seems that they always choose to keep running. Seems like the smarter move would be to hunker down, stay quiet and wait for them to be far enough away that you can escape then. Of course, you'd hate to be caught because you didn't run.

I'm not sure what I'd do in that situation, but my gut tells me to hide. What are everyone else's thoughts?

 
depends on how deeply wooded it really is. Can you find a great hiding place like high in a tree where you can wait him out? Otherwise, I take my chances that i can outrun this guy... cause i am betting on me outrunning him.. cause i run and stuff.

 
If he is down and woozy I keep hitting him until I know for certain he isn't getting up. Then I walk out like any civilized person.

 
Angry Beavers said:
depends on how deeply wooded it really is. Can you find a great hiding place like high in a tree where you can wait him out? Otherwise, I take my chances that i can outrun this guy... cause i am betting on me outrunning him.. cause i run and stuff.
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That's part of the issue. Since you don't really know the area, you'd have to make that decision on the fly as to whether you thought it was deeply wooded or not.

 
NCCommish said:
If he is down and woozy I keep hitting him until I know for certain he isn't getting up. Then I walk out like any civilized person.
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THIS!! Id beat the hell out of him, take his gun then i am calling the damn shots. Hell i might even shoot him in the knee for kicks, blouses....

 
NCCommish said:
If he is down and woozy I keep hitting him until I know for certain he isn't getting up. Then I walk out like any civilized person.
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Fair enough. But leaving my bad loose ends and not very good scenario creating, let's say your first thought was to get out of there instead of to keep hitting him, just for the sake of argument. Then, what would you do.

 
I'd run 10 feet, fall down and wait for him to catch up, run 10 feet, fall down, wait for him to catch up...........

 
the real shark move is to double back to the location you just ran from. no bad guy ever thinks that you'll do that.

 
TheIronSheik said:
NCCommish said:
If he is down and woozy I keep hitting him until I know for certain he isn't getting up. Then I walk out like any civilized person.
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Fair enough. But leaving my bad loose ends and not very good scenario creating, let's say your first thought was to get out of there instead of to keep hitting him, just for the sake of argument. Then, what would you do.
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Well in this case I hide. Find myself a pointy stick, then it's going to become superhappystabbyrapeyfuntime all up in dem woods.Schlzm

 
Schlzm said:
TheIronSheik said:
NCCommish said:
If he is down and woozy I keep hitting him until I know for certain he isn't getting up. Then I walk out like any civilized person.
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Fair enough. But leaving my bad loose ends and not very good scenario creating, let's say your first thought was to get out of there instead of to keep hitting him, just for the sake of argument. Then, what would you do.
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Well in this case I hide. Find myself a pointy stick, then it's going to become superhappystabbyrapeyfuntime all up in dem woods.Schlzm
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I agree. I feel like I could sit in a hiding place without making a noise for an hour before I moved if I had to. I mean, it's a forest. No way he's going to be able to search the whole thing. And if he can't find you, my thought is that he'd keep moving in hopes to catch up to you. Every second he's not moving is a second that you could be moving farther from him.

In the same scenario, if I'm the bad guy. My thoughts would be to keep moving and not stop in one place and try and do a hard search of the place from top to bottom.

 
Him woozy=me taking the gun and blasting him . If he is momentarily distracted by the hot chick i am running my axx off. Otherwise I would end up being that guy that gets found.

 
It depends. If it is just one bad guy then I run for a while and then double back and hide.

If I am the bad guy and it is a whole police force looking for me then I keep running.

 
Godsbrother said:
It depends. If it is just one bad guy then I run for a while and then double back and hide.

If I am the bad guy and it is a whole police force looking for me then I keep running.
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Yes. In this scenario, it would be just one guy coming after you. I agree if it is a large gang, you should probably keep moving as they can cover more area.

 
So if I had to do one or the other I run a very short distance where I can keep bad guy in sight when he comes out. The thing is he probably knows the area. He also probably knows the direction he'd least like you to head in. Like a road or a nearby shack or whatever. He will most likely head that way as it represents a way out for you. And if you are watching him he isn't behind you but he is leading you out or to possible help. It's a gamble but it's better than just aimlessly running around in the woods at night.

 
And just to clear up, I realize that beating the hell out of the guy while he is down is the correct choice 100% of the time.

My scenario making skills leave a lot to be desired. So think of it as you somehow have a 3 to 5 minute window where you can get away unnoticed. I'm sure there's still some loophole there, too, but the important part is that you got away with a good head start. What do you do?

I should also say that I think even though I said hide, I would easily run for a good 3 minutes then start looking for a place to hide. I would not hide right away.

 
NCCommish said:
So if I had to do one or the other I run a very short distance where I can keep bad guy in sight when he comes out. The thing is he probably knows the area. He also probably knows the direction he'd least like you to head in. Like a road or a nearby shack or whatever. He will most likely head that way as it represents a way out for you. And if you are watching him he isn't behind you but he is leading you out or to possible help. It's a gamble but it's better than just aimlessly running around in the woods at night.
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Nice strategy.

 
I would say that in the movies they hide at least 50% of the time and are usually found just when they think the attacker has missed them. Usually they are only caught when they run if they fall and hurt themselves or stumble onto a really decrepit old house where they are the only people in the world who would think someone actually lives there that can help them. Usually it is the attackers "cabin"

 
TheIronSheik said:
I should also say that I think even though I said hide, I would easily run for a good 3 minutes then start looking for a place to hide. I would not hide right away.
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This makes sense, however being part ninja I am pretty much hiding all the time by default anyways so it's kind of a wash.Schlzm

 
Cold Dead Hands said:
I would say that in the movies they hide at least 50% of the time and are usually found just when they think the attacker has missed them. Usually they are only caught when they run if they fall and hurt themselves or stumble onto a really decrepit old house where they are the only people in the world who would think someone actually lives there that can help them. Usually it is the attackers "cabin"
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It's true. But it always seems like when they hide, the bad guy runs right to the area they are hiding and then all of a sudden stops and decides to conduct his thorough search there.

 
I'd probably run since I'm a runner and could knock out a few miles in the woods before being very tired. I'd imagine I could make some big distance between me and the bad guy who probably isn't a runner. Then hopefully I could find some civilization before I die from nature.

 
If you're in better shape than him, it's probably best to keep running. its better to chance the uncertain death by natures hand than a highly probable death by bullet. If he's in better shape than you, and can hear you crashing around in the woods by the time he comes to his senses (I'd say one can hear a person running through woods 150 yards away) he can make a beeline in your general direction and run you down. In that case it might be best to hide but if he's a good tracker you are toast.

 
I think that you run like hell for a short ways, then slow down, think about what you are doing and continue to move as silently as you can. My thought is that if he was woozy, he likely wouldn't know in which direction you made the dash, and by the time he gets his senses about him, you are moving undetected and will be very hard to find. Use your cover as effectively as you can. If he is blazing through the woods, he likely could go right past you.

Think like the hunter and not the prey.

 
Treynwreck3 said:
I think that you run like hell for a short ways, then slow down, think about what you are doing and continue to move as silently as you can. My thought is that if he was woozy, he likely wouldn't know in which direction you made the dash, and by the time he gets his senses about him, you are moving undetected and will be very hard to find. Use your cover as effectively as you can. If he is blazing through the woods, he likely could go right past you.

Think like the hunter and not the prey.
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And this is why I was using the term woozy. My point was exactly what you are saying. That he would have no idea which way you went.

 
TheIronSheik said:
NCCommish said:
So if I had to do one or the other I run a very short distance where I can keep bad guy in sight when he comes out. The thing is he probably knows the area. He also probably knows the direction he'd least like you to head in. Like a road or a nearby shack or whatever. He will most likely head that way as it represents a way out for you. And if you are watching him he isn't behind you but he is leading you out or to possible help. It's a gamble but it's better than just aimlessly running around in the woods at night.
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Nice strategy.
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:goodposting: Worked for Bilbo.

 
Niles Standish said:
I'd probably run since I'm a runner and could knock out a few miles in the woods before being very tired. I'd imagine I could make some big distance between me and the bad guy who probably isn't a runner. Then hopefully I could find some civilization before I die from nature.
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I'd swim across the lake, then hop on a bike for a long ride. Then drop the bike off, then run.

Then post about it in the 10k thread.

 
Ok when i was a teenager my friends and i used to go in the woods behind the golf course and build ramps for our bikes. These woods were off limits but there was a hole in one of the fences for the connecting baseball fields that anyone can go through. So anyway we went there all the tome. There were rumors of voodoo worship going on in there at night but it was all typical teenager stories except one day we found a rotting dog skeleton wrapped in a blanket. Gross but kind of unrelated to my story. Just setting the scene because although we only went there during the day we still were kind of creeped out in there.

So one day were on our bikes jumping off ramps like usual and some guy literally comes out of nowhere screaming for help. HELP ME HELP ME! I HAVE AIDS. Guy looked all disheveled and approached us all trying to grab us. I dodged him and we all hightailed it out of there on our bikes. We all got away from him pretty easily and everyone made a run for the golf course (which remember was off limits)... Except me. For some idiotic reason i decided to stay in the woods and hide in a bunch of reeds with my bike. My heart was pounding a mile a minute. Never been so scared in my life. I waited there for what felt like 15 minutes but was probably more like 5. I was profusely sweating and unsure of what to do. All my friends were now in the golf course and i can hear them screaming at the top of their lungs for me. Finally i said f it and snuck out of the reeds, looked around and saw the coast was clear and hightailed it out of there. We all went back to entrance of the hole in the fence and started screaming SICKO! Lol kids. Anyway we never saw him that day and we never went back again. To this day i still dont know if he was some deranged lunatic or a damn golf course employee who was just trying to get us out of there by scaring the #### out of us.

Anyway, thats my story. When i had the choice to run (on a bike no less) or hide i hid and i was scared ####less the whole time.

 
I think I'd hide. Run a short distance then find a good spot. Maybe huck a rock far down ahead to make some noise and lead the guy further off track, but I think a good hiding spot is the way to go.

I also have a story from when I was a kid, occasionally we'd whip a snowball or something at passing cars at night back when we was young. Well, maybe it happened that one of our group wasn't so detail oriented and decided to take his shot at a Crown Vic, which obviously turned out to be a squad car. Lights flash on and he hauls right to where we had been standing. Kids all scattered into the backyard and started cutting across lawns but I didn't have great wheels. I jumped through a row of hedges right at the front of the property and just laid still. Spotlight starts sweeping across the property, but the officer must have been tracking the runners and trying to figure out if it was worth chasing them down. Meanwhile, I'm stone still in the glare of the light, just under a large bush, totally unseen. Guy gave up and drove on, I was maybe 12 feet away.

 
I'd hide and wait until he was far enough away that I could doubleback, grab the keys to my Honda CRV, and Crossover my way outta there! All the time jammin' to my 8-speaker MP3-compatible stereo, sunroof open, and the 4WD carrying me to safety with 100% peace of mind!

 
shadyridr said:
Ok when i was a teenager my friends and i used to go in the woods behind the golf course and build ramps for our bikes. These woods were off limits but there was a hole in one of the fences for the connecting baseball fields that anyone can go through. So anyway we went there all the tome. There were rumors of voodoo worship going on in there at night but it was all typical teenager stories except one day we found a rotting dog skeleton wrapped in a blanket. Gross but kind of unrelated to my story. Just setting the scene because although we only went there during the day we still were kind of creeped out in there.

So one day were on our bikes jumping off ramps like usual and some guy literally comes out of nowhere screaming for help. HELP ME HELP ME! I HAVE AIDS. Guy looked all disheveled and approached us all trying to grab us. I dodged him and we all hightailed it out of there on our bikes. We all got away from him pretty easily and everyone made a run for the golf course (which remember was off limits)... Except me. For some idiotic reason i decided to stay in the woods and hide in a bunch of reeds with my bike. My heart was pounding a mile a minute. Never been so scared in my life. I waited there for what felt like 15 minutes but was probably more like 5. I was profusely sweating and unsure of what to do. All my friends were now in the golf course and i can hear them screaming at the top of their lungs for me. Finally i said f it and snuck out of the reeds, looked around and saw the coast was clear and hightailed it out of there. We all went back to entrance of the hole in the fence and started screaming SICKO! Lol kids. Anyway we never saw him that day and we never went back again. To this day i still dont know if he was some deranged lunatic or a damn golf course employee who was just trying to get us out of there by scaring the #### out of us.

Anyway, thats my story. When i had the choice to run (on a bike no less) or hide i hid and i was scared ####less the whole time.
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I could not stop thinking about this the entire time I read your post.

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
I'd hide and wait until he was far enough away that I could doubleback, grab the keys to my Honda CRV, and Crossover my way outta there! All the time jammin' to my 8-speaker MP3-compatible stereo, sunroof open, and the 4WD carrying me to safety with 100% peace of mind!
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Shark move would be to get in your SUV. I believe Crossovers are made on a car chassis and quite similar to cars. In fact, if you think different, I hate you and we can't be friends.

Also, you didn't lease it, did you?

 
TheIronSheik said:
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
I'd hide and wait until he was far enough away that I could doubleback, grab the keys to my Honda CRV, and Crossover my way outta there! All the time jammin' to my 8-speaker MP3-compatible stereo, sunroof open, and the 4WD carrying me to safety with 100% peace of mind!
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Shark move would be to get in your SUV. I believe Crossovers are made on a car chassis and quite similar to cars. In fact, if you think different, I hate you and we can't be friends. Also, you didn't lease it, did you?
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You gotta buy, man! Buy!And the Crossover, because it's on a car chassis, offers better handling and maneuverability. It's like you've never researched automobiles at all!

 
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FUBAR said:
Niles Standish said:
I'd probably run since I'm a runner and could knock out a few miles in the woods before being very tired. I'd imagine I could make some big distance between me and the bad guy who probably isn't a runner. Then hopefully I could find some civilization before I die from nature.
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I'd swim across the lake, then hop on a bike for a long ride. Then drop the bike off, then run.

Then post about it in the 10k thread.
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Okay, there is a lunatic chasing after me and the nearest police station is precisely 6.2 miles away. I've got this.

 
I keep running. I'm pretty fast and he is running with a gun/rifle, that will alter his gait and tire him faster.

 
Godsbrother said:
It depends. If it is just one bad guy then I run for a while and then double back and hide.

If I am the bad guy and it is a whole police force looking for me then I keep running.
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Although the younger Boston marathon bomber chose to hide ...and was only caught by a guy stepping out for a smoke.

 
tri-man 47 said:
Godsbrother said:
It depends. If it is just one bad guy then I run for a while and then double back and hide.

If I am the bad guy and it is a whole police force looking for me then I keep running.
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Although the younger Boston marathon bomber chose to hide ...and was only caught by a guy stepping out for a smoke.
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Yes, but everyone in America was looking for him. Just because one guy found him doesn't mean only one guy was looking for him.

 
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