Running Back flying under the Radar (1 Viewer)

[hotboyz]

I want to ask the shark pool am I missing something on Reggie Bush. He is really flying under the Radar. I hear everyone talking up Fred Jackaon and Peyton Hillis as far as mid Rd RB is concerned but why no talk of Reggie. He's only 28 he is in a west coast offense perfect for his skill set and he is the only real weapon in town!!

At the end of last season he had to be one of the best RB in football. He had 4 consecutive 100 yd games and 2 Td is it crazy to believe he could improve these numbers? I'm thinking 250 car. 1175 yds 65 rec 600 yds 7 td

 

[meyerj31]

I want to ask the shark pool am I missing something on Reggie Bush. He is really flying under the Radar. I hear everyone talking up Fred Jackaon and Peyton Hillis as far as mid Rd RB is concerned but why no talk of Reggie. He's only 28 he is in a west coast offense perfect for his skill set and he is the only real weapon in town!! At the end of last season he had to be one of the best RB in football. He had 4 consecutive 100 yd games and 2 Td is it crazy to believe he could improve these numbers? I'm thinking 250 car. 1175 yds 65 rec 600 yds 7 td

Miami's QB situation is unclear, the best WR is Brian Hartline, and the offensive line is mediocre. Every one of the top 10 RBs have either a solid WR or two that stretches the field, a great QB, or a phenomenal offensive line. Miami has none of those.If Lesean McCoy was on the Dolphins I wouldn't take him until the third round and Bush is no McCoy. Philbin is also a pass-first team and there's a couple of other talented RBs that will see carries on that team. I don't see how anyone could rate him higher than a 5th round value, and I wouldn't take him until the 6th.

 

[GridironMenace]

You must be Reggie's father.

 

[Ilov80s]

The best value now is Royster. I don't think he is very talented, but he has a leg up on the starting job and us available very late. He might suck and end up splitting time, but the reward of being the top back in a Shanahan offense is too valuable for how late he is going. Got him in the 13th rd in an ESPN mock today.

 

[gbill2004]

Best value is Jacquizz Rodgers...this years Sproles!!

 

[hotboyz]

Rogers won't get the touches Reggie bush gets and I think Reggie can get close to as many catches as sproles I think bush can crack top ten this yr

 

[sycamore]

Rogers won't get the touches Reggie bush gets and I think Reggie can get close to as many catches as sproles I think bush can crack top ten this yr

If he's effective, they'll try to get Daniel Thomas more work. I just don't like Bush, but I'd take him if he falls far enough in the draft.

 

[zamboni]

I agree with the above that there are a few other talented backs on the roster, and with a new coaching staff, who knows how and how much Bush will be used.

I wouldn't dismiss him, but also wouldn't overdraft him.

 

[lbouchard]

I think him being flexed out and increase in receptions will offset decline in rushing yards. I also think Daniel Thomas sucks.

 

[hotboyz]

So people are more excited about jacqiz Rogers who's never done it before than Reggie bush? U think the light turned on for bush last yr I may be wrong but he's also running harder

 

[GreatLakesMike]

I think Bush represents great value in PPR, good value in standard. Miami has no weapons other than Bush, so I look for him to get a lot of touches, especially in the passing game.

 

[Chazzhawk]

Has Reggie Bush ever made it through a full season in the NFL? and he has never been a work horse back.

 

[macknova]

Quizz is also going later, to be fair.

Bush in PPR I like more than a lot of other backs. He's their best offensive weapon, Philbin will find a way to use him. If he wants the offense to move, he should.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

Reggie is 27 I believe.

 

[the_vision]

He played in 16 games last season. Finished strong too with 519 Yards rushing over the last four games.

 

[lbouchard]

Has Reggie Bush ever made it through a full season in the NFL? and he has never been a work horse back.

He was a workhorse last year, and he made it through a full season last year.

 

[Chazzhawk]

He played in 16 games last season. Finished strong too with 519 Yards rushing over the last four games.

No he didn't

 

[Chazzhawk]

He missed one game last year and touched the ball 20 + times in only 4 games.

 

[gcoast3]

The best value now is Royster. I don't think he is very talented, but he has a leg up on the starting job and us available very late. He might suck and end up splitting time, but the reward of being the top back in a Shanahan offense is too valuable for how late he is going. Got him in the 13th rd in an ESPN mock today.

He went to Penn St...are their players allowed in the NFL? I thought the PC crowd petitioned to have them banned.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

hotboyz,

you are not

 

[hotboyz]

He missed one game last year and touched the ball 20 + times in only 4 games.

You forgot to mention that game he missed was a meaningless last game of the season and those 4 20 Carry games were wk 12-15 and he ran for 100 yds in 3 of them and 200 yds in the other with 2 td's and 6 yds per carry

 

[hotboyz]

Compare these 2 end of the yr numbers

Week 14 BUF 20 143 7.15 1 0 7 38 0 8

Week 15 CLE 25 154 6.16 1 0 2 16 0 4

Week 16 @CIN 24 102 4.25 0 0 3 22 0 4

Week 17 @DEN 25 259 10.36 2 0 1 3 0 1

Week 13 OAK 22 100 4.55 1 0 0 0 0 2

Week 14 PHI 14 103 7.36 0 0 5 27 0 6

Week 15 @BUF 25 203 8.12 1 1 1 6 0 1

Week 16 @NWE 22 113 5.14 0 0 2 26 0 3

RB #2 is Reggie Bush can you guess RB #1?

 

[Late225]

I want to ask the shark pool am I missing something on Reggie Bush. He is really flying under the Radar. I hear everyone talking up Fred Jackaon and Peyton Hillis as far as mid Rd RB is concerned but why no talk of Reggie. He's only 28 he is in a west coast offense perfect for his skill set and he is the only real weapon in town!! At the end of last season he had to be one of the best RB in football. He had 4 consecutive 100 yd games and 2 Td is it crazy to believe he could improve these numbers? I'm thinking 250 car. 1175 yds 65 rec 600 yds 7 td

Miami's QB situation is unclear, the best WR is Brian Hartline, and the offensive line is mediocre. Every one of the top 10 RBs have either a solid WR or two that stretches the field, a great QB, or a phenomenal offensive line. Miami has none of those.If Lesean McCoy was on the Dolphins I wouldn't take him until the third round and Bush is no McCoy. Philbin is also a pass-first team and there's a couple of other talented RBs that will see carries on that team. I don't see how anyone could rate him higher than a 5th round value, and I wouldn't take him until the 6th.

Maurice Jones-Drew?

 

[Chazzhawk]

He missed one game last year and touched the ball 20 + times in only 4 games.

You forgot to mention that game he missed was a meaningless last game of the season and those 4 20 Carry games were wk 12-15 and he ran for 100 yds in 3 of them and 200 yds in the other with 2 td's and 6 yds per carry

Can you please do some research before you post, he still missed a game, which means he didn't play 16. 3 of his 4 20 + touches in a game were at the end of the season, the other one was the first game of the year. Lastly, he was the feature back for 4 games and guess what he missed the 5th game due to injury, just like he has his whole career when asked to carry the load. This is why everyone is so low on him add in the fact that Daniel Thomas was a 2nd round pick last year and they took Miller this year and it must mean Miami doesn't see him as a work horse either.

 

[hotboyz]

He missed one game last year and touched the ball 20 + times in only 4 games.

You forgot to mention that game he missed was a meaningless last game of the season and those 4 20 Carry games were wk 12-15 and he ran for 100 yds in 3 of them and 200 yds in the other with 2 td's and 6 yds per carry

Can you please do some research before you post, he still missed a game, which means he didn't play 16. 3 of his 4 20 + touches in a game were at the end of the season, the other one was the first game of the year. Lastly, he was the feature back for 4 games and guess what he missed the 5th game due to injury, just like he has his whole career when asked to carry the load. This is why everyone is so low on him add in the fact that Daniel Thomas was a 2nd round pick last year and they took Miller this year and it must mean Miami doesn't see him as a work horse either.

Hold oh great one I never said anywhere in thisvthreadvthat he played all 16 games I know he missed a game

 

[Chazzhawk]

He missed one game last year and touched the ball 20 + times in only 4 games.

You forgot to mention that game he missed was a meaningless last game of the season and those 4 20 Carry games were wk 12-15 and he ran for 100 yds in 3 of them and 200 yds in the other with 2 td's and 6 yds per carry

Can you please do some research before you post, he still missed a game, which means he didn't play 16. 3 of his 4 20 + touches in a game were at the end of the season, the other one was the first game of the year. Lastly, he was the feature back for 4 games and guess what he missed the 5th game due to injury, just like he has his whole career when asked to carry the load. This is why everyone is so low on him add in the fact that Daniel Thomas was a 2nd round pick last year and they took Miller this year and it must mean Miami doesn't see him as a work horse either.

Hold oh great one I never said anywhere in thisvthreadvthat he played all 16 games I know he missed a game

You did say that though right? and it is inaccurate

 

[hotboyz]

No I never said he played 16 games another poster said he did I said his big games were games 12-15

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Compare these 2 end of the yr numbers Week 14 BUF 20 143 7.15 1 0 7 38 0 8Week 15 CLE 25 154 6.16 1 0 2 16 0 4Week 16 @CIN 24 102 4.25 0 0 3 22 0 4Week 17 @DEN 25 259 10.36 2 0 1 3 0 1Week 13 OAK 22 100 4.55 1 0 0 0 0 2Week 14 PHI 14 103 7.36 0 0 5 27 0 6Week 15 @BUF 25 203 8.12 1 1 1 6 0 1Week 16 @NWE 22 113 5.14 0 0 2 26 0 3RB #2 is Reggie Bush can you guess RB #1?

what season is RB 1 from?

 

[NBusiness]

This thread should be about Fred Jackson.

 

[the_vision]

He played in 16 games last season. Finished strong too with 519 Yards rushing over the last four games.

No he didn't

I stand corrected.

 

[Diamond]

Compare these 2 end of the yr numbers Week 14 BUF 20 143 7.15 1 0 7 38 0 8Week 15 CLE 25 154 6.16 1 0 2 16 0 4Week 16 @CIN 24 102 4.25 0 0 3 22 0 4Week 17 @DEN 25 259 10.36 2 0 1 3 0 1Week 13 OAK 22 100 4.55 1 0 0 0 0 2Week 14 PHI 14 103 7.36 0 0 5 27 0 6Week 15 @BUF 25 203 8.12 1 1 1 6 0 1Week 16 @NWE 22 113 5.14 0 0 2 26 0 3RB #2 is Reggie Bush can you guess RB #1?

Jamaal Charles, 2009

 

[hotboyz]

Hey Diamond you got it the next season all we heard was how jamaal Charles would be a good draft pick seems to me these guys have similar skill sets

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Compare these 2 end of the yr numbers Week 14 BUF 20 143 7.15 1 0 7 38 0 8Week 15 CLE 25 154 6.16 1 0 2 16 0 4Week 16 @CIN 24 102 4.25 0 0 3 22 0 4Week 17 @DEN 25 259 10.36 2 0 1 3 0 1Week 13 OAK 22 100 4.55 1 0 0 0 0 2Week 14 PHI 14 103 7.36 0 0 5 27 0 6Week 15 @BUF 25 203 8.12 1 1 1 6 0 1Week 16 @NWE 22 113 5.14 0 0 2 26 0 3RB #2 is Reggie Bush can you guess RB #1?

Jamaal Charles, 2009

and look what happened to him

 

[hotboyz]

Yea he ran for almost 1400 yds the next season

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

haha...I'm not knockin' the guy -- I drafted him last year, but I think there's some question about 250 carries.

I could actually see the 60 catches, which should help puff up his ppr value, but of those 4 games, 3 were his only 20+ carry games of the year, and 3 were against pretty crummy run defenses.

I think people question him getting 20 carries on a regular basis.

he finished top 20 in my league last year, just missed top 15, and right around chris johnson level.

which is kind of funny since people have been nonstop ripping johnson for that performance.

if bush catches another 20 balls I guess he could sneak into the top 12, which is probably a round better than he's getting drafted.

I'd say he's a pretty decent 4th round pick, but not the steal of the century --- top 5 finish would be more than I'd expect.

fred jackson seems to only go a couple rb spots ahead of him, generally, and I'd give him a higher upside.

 

[ShaHBucks]

He want even used until they realized Daniel Thomas sucked. Whe're to caught in what he was in the past to pay for his 2012 production, take advantage of people thinking this way. I'm planning drafts with my top backs being Steven Jackson, Amad Bradshaw and Reggie Bush if i can go TE-QB or QB-TE like I hope.

 

[Banger]

I really started looking at him and considering drafting him yesterday actually. I think I fell into the trap that "he's a bust" and that the book was written on him. Then I took a step back and thought that he's got zero competition among RB's, they have no wr's and while they may not have a good QB he's the best player on their offense by FAR. The offense will run through him and he's definitely on my buy list.

 

[Warrior]

Hey Diamond you got it the next season all we heard was how jamaal Charles would be a good draft pick seems to me these guys have similar skill sets

not. even. close.

 

[hotboyz]

Warrior I def disagree u right Bush is a better reciever

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I think him being flexed out and increase in receptions will offset decline in rushing yards. I also think Daniel Thomas sucks.

Even if Bush sees fewer carries, which I kind of doubt considering his competition, his receptions are definitely going to increase. Who else are they going to throw to? The WRs in Miami are a steaming pile of crap.

 

[Diamond]

Sorry, the Bush to Charles comparison falls flat to me for a myriad of reasons, the main ones being:

1) YPC. Charles career YPC is 6.07 (499-3027, 49 games). Bush is 4.29 (740-3176, 75 games). If you prefer to just look at Bush in MIA considering NO used him differently, his YPC was 5.02 (216-1086, 15 games). Trending up nicely, but still well short of Charles.

2) Coaching continuity. The staff that 'discovered' Bush those last few games is now gone in Miami, he has to prove himself all over again. While AFAIR, the KC coaching staff was the same in 2009 and 2010, or at least it was at the top (Todd Haley).

And if you look at Charles in 2010, he only got 20+ carries in 3 games that year. To the dismay of fantasy folks everywhere, Todd Haley used him quite sparingly, but he was a big play machine and he survived that season (only to be undone the next). I don't really know enough about Philbin and co. to know how they plan to use Bush. But if they run him 20+ times a game, I don't think he'll last. And if they use him sparingly, ala Haley+Charles, his career YPC tells me he won't be as impactful.

Don't get me wrong, I do like Bush at his ADP this year, I just don't see him vaulting to a top 5 finish, like Charles did in 2010. Stranger things have happened though.

 

[chickensoup]

Hey Diamond you got it the next season all we heard was how jamaal Charles would be a good draft pick seems to me these guys have similar skill sets

I dont know how on earth you are trying to compare Jamaal Charles with Reggie Bush. Charles has "track speed" because...well he was on the track team in college. The only person who, when healthy, is faster at RB is Chris Johnson. Bush isnt nearly as fast as Charles. He is also not anywhere remotely close to as elusive, not that he needs to be because he has a bigger frame so is built a little better to take hits. Charles is on a better team with a better offensive line and remarkably, a better QB and way better WR to keep defenses at least a little honest. Charles has a coach that wants to run 500+ times this year on a team that has done that at least the last 2 years with backs like Thomas Jones and Jackie Battle when Charles was hurt.Reggie Bush can be a decent pickup this year, I agree with you on that. But you are coming across as being homerish if you honestly believe Bush is on the same planet as Charles......seemingly because both are good receivers? He is probably about right with where he is being drafted. In the Shonn Greene area of RB. Mid to low RB2 with a little better potential if it's PPR. But he's not this amazing value pick to be had in round 5 where he is going. Heck I'll make a bet with you right now, Payton Hillis with an ADP of 2-3 rounds later scores more points than Reggie Bush on a PPG basis (which should help Bush because he seemingly is injured quite often)

 

[hotboyz]

Hey Diamond you got it the next season all we heard was how jamaal Charles would be a good draft pick seems to me these guys have similar skill sets

I dont know how on earth you are trying to compare Jamaal Charles with Reggie Bush. Charles has "track speed" because...well he was on the track team in college. The only person who, when healthy, is faster at RB is Chris Johnson. Bush isnt nearly as fast as Charles. He is also not anywhere remotely close to as elusive, not that he needs to be because he has a bigger frame so is built a little better to take hits. Charles is on a better team with a better offensive line and remarkably, a better QB and way better WR to keep defenses at least a little honest. Charles has a coach that wants to run 500+ times this year on a team that has done that at least the last 2 years with backs like Thomas Jones and Jackie Battle when Charles was hurt.Reggie Bush can be a decent pickup this year, I agree with you on that. But you are coming across as being homerish if you honestly believe Bush is on the same planet as Charles......seemingly because both are good receivers? He is probably about right with where he is being drafted. In the Shonn Greene area of RB. Mid to low RB2 with a little better potential if it's PPR. But he's not this amazing value pick to be had in round 5 where he is going. Heck I'll make a bet with you right now, Payton Hillis with an ADP of 2-3 rounds later scores more points than Reggie Bush on a PPG basis (which should help Bush because he seemingly is injured quite often)

First of all not a homer at all what I'm saying is breakout players sometimes show themselves before the breakout occurs priest Holmes Alexander megatron jamaal Charles sometimes you look at that player who was hot the 2nd half of a season it carries over to next season. Everyone giving demarco Murray a 2nd and 3rd rd grade has he played a full season? Jamaal Charles after his 2009 finish some said is he big enough to handle a full work load but we drafted him 1st rd and he rewarded us with a 1400 yd season but the next season he blew out his Acl I argue that bush is no more prone to injury than any other back and he is bigger than Jamal charles and he is a beast in the open field and a better receiver. Yes Jamal Is on a team that wanna run more but he also has another proven workhorse in backfield with him! Bush is in a system that likes to throw the ball to the backs other than sproles is there a better receiving back in the NFL? I think in PPR he can be gold!

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Physically Bush and Charles are near clones. Or were when they entered the league anyhow. Almost identical size and speed.

If you want to make the case for Bush you could say that he wasn't asked to run inside much at USC and that the holes he saw when he did were gaping -- those SC teams were stacked with quality and were almost always a lot better than their opponents. So he may have needed a longer adjustment period in terms of knowing how to get through NFL-sized creases.

If you want to make the case against Bush you can say that he was a product of his physical abilities and the fact that his team was so much better than everyone else and that he lacks the vision to be a great NFL back.

I'm on the fence still. He was pretty bad early in his career, but did look good on a middling offense last season.

If he's adapted to the NFL game there's no reason he can't have a tremendous 2nd half of his career.

 

[zilladog]

Just something to note. I mentioned it in another similar thread. Bush 'broke out' between weeks 8-16. Every single one of those games was against teams who ranked 16th or worse in run defense, except for 1. That one game was vs. the cowboys who ranked 7th in run defense. In that game, bush was held to 67 rushing yards and below 4 ypc.

Just something to keep in mind.

 

[hotboyz]

Just something to note. I mentioned it in another similar thread. Bush 'broke out' between weeks 8-16. Every single one of those games was against teams who ranked 16th or worse in run defense, except for 1. That one game was vs. the cowboys who ranked 7th in run defense. In that game, bush was held to 67 rushing yards and below 4 ypc. Just something to keep in mind.

Now do the same homework on Charles breakout of 2009

 

[matttyl]

Rogers won't get the touches Reggie bush gets and I think Reggie can get close to as many catches as sproles I think bush can crack top ten this yr

In my league he was #8 last year, this isn't too much of a stretch. Of course that was because F Jax, Peterson, Forte, Mathews and S Jax all missed time....

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Rogers won't get the touches Reggie bush gets and I think Reggie can get close to as many catches as sproles I think bush can crack top ten this yr

In my league he was #8 last year, this isn't too much of a stretch. Of course that was because F Jax, Peterson, Forte, Mathews and S Jax all missed time....

8 total points or ppg?I always rank by ppg.

 

[bostonfred]

there are a few things I realy like about bush this year:

- he is the star player on that team. When the dolphins are going to be on tv, the ad will say "tom brady and the patriots come to miami to face reggie bush and the dolphins".

- tannehill will eventually start, and the team will lean on bush to protect him, just like the jags did with mjd last year. I love the running back on a team with a rookie qb.

- matt moore may hold down the fort until then. Bush put up his best numbers with moore under center.

- the team is talking about ways to use him more. That usually bodes well.

- bush got four carries in his first preseason game. All of them were inside runs, including a twelve yarder. Its like philbin said, you want to be an every down back, show me. And bush did.

- while bushs second half splits were strong, and the weak defenses probably played a part, the bigger issue was that he was getting the opportunities, instead of early in the season when thomas was getting forcefed.

I posted this and more in a thread on bush back in june or july, but I think bush has the potential to improve significantly on last years performance. He could be top five. Easily one of my favorite picks in the middle rounds.

 

[RBM]

Im on board. Offense will go thru him. Good chance to crack top ten.