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I don't really see how this is good news.Steelers were a black hole for WRs beyond Ward. They'll run the ball far more now, is there really enough balls to go around for both Fitz/Boldin?Leinart and Boldin dynasty owner here
PIT of course has had a pretty good defense for the most part during whisenhunt's tenure... hard to run the ball 60 times a game if you are down 3 TDs by halftime...also, i realize they did have ward & burress for a minute, but steelers never had (during whisenhunt tenure) two elite WRs caliber of boldin & fitzgerald... i don't see them evolving into a smashmouth attack any time soon... a solid running attack could be a plus... more sustained drives, offensive plays, red zone attempts, etc...I don't really see how this is good news.Steelers were a black hole for WRs beyond Ward. They'll run the ball far more now, is there really enough balls to go around for both Fitz/Boldin?Leinart and Boldin dynasty owner here
I see them going to a more rush based offense, where Fitz or Boldin will have their big games, but never both. Remember when they both had the best years, it was when they lead the league in pass attempts. There is NO CHANCE of that happening again with these coaches.
Doesn't chang the fact that, for Fitz/Boldin to be uberstuds (people rank both in top 6-7), they need to be in the top 1/4 of the league is pass attempts. Maybe higher. If the pass attempts slide further down, as the rush attempts go up, and how he ran the Steeler offense, I fail to see how this is good news.Boldin/Fitz probably looking at low 80s catches, 900-1100 yards, 4-7 tds. There is simply not enough balls for a WR2 in that offense to be in the top 10.PIT of course has had a pretty good defense for the most part during whisenhunt's tenure... hard to run the ball 60 times a game if you are down 3 TDs by halftime...also, i realize they did have ward & burress for a minute, but steelers never had (during whisenhunt tenure) two elite WRs caliber of boldin & fitzgerald... i don't see them evolving into a smashmouth attack any time soon... a solid running attack could be a plus... more sustained drives, offensive plays, red zone attempts, etc...I don't really see how this is good news.Steelers were a black hole for WRs beyond Ward. They'll run the ball far more now, is there really enough balls to go around for both Fitz/Boldin?Leinart and Boldin dynasty owner here
I see them going to a more rush based offense, where Fitz or Boldin will have their big games, but never both. Remember when they both had the best years, it was when they lead the league in pass attempts. There is NO CHANCE of that happening again with these coaches.
When it rains it pours... Seems like HOF ownership let Cohwer slip out.. but even worse, burned the lineage... so they all said f.u. to the mother country.. and are looking to start their own Colony ;-)
As long as Bidwell is the owner there is always the good possibility that the Cardinals underperform...
Indy had the #1 and #2 wr's in football didn't they???? They also had a top 10 rookie rb. Your looking at actually passes thrown but what your not looking at is play action allows both these guys to go deep. With no running game that takes away alot of the play action and one on one passing oppurtunities. A balanced offense can sometimes help talented players. Boldin was his best a couple of years ago with Emmitt in the backfield and I believe Emmitt had a pretty good year that year.Doesn't chang the fact that, for Fitz/Boldin to be uberstuds (people rank both in top 6-7), they need to be in the top 1/4 of the league is pass attempts. Maybe higher. If the pass attempts slide further down, as the rush attempts go up, and how he ran the Steeler offense, I fail to see how this is good news.Boldin/Fitz probably looking at low 80s catches, 900-1100 yards, 4-7 tds. There is simply not enough balls for a WR2 in that offense to be in the top 10.PIT of course has had a pretty good defense for the most part during whisenhunt's tenure... hard to run the ball 60 times a game if you are down 3 TDs by halftime...also, i realize they did have ward & burress for a minute, but steelers never had (during whisenhunt tenure) two elite WRs caliber of boldin & fitzgerald... i don't see them evolving into a smashmouth attack any time soon... a solid running attack could be a plus... more sustained drives, offensive plays, red zone attempts, etc...I don't really see how this is good news.Steelers were a black hole for WRs beyond Ward. They'll run the ball far more now, is there really enough balls to go around for both Fitz/Boldin?Leinart and Boldin dynasty owner here
I see them going to a more rush based offense, where Fitz or Boldin will have their big games, but never both. Remember when they both had the best years, it was when they lead the league in pass attempts. There is NO CHANCE of that happening again with these coaches.
Play good defense, run the ball, control the clock. How does that translate to "Boldin/Fitz putting up enough production to be top 10 wrs"?. People are forgetting when Boldin/Fitz were at their best, Zona threw more than anyone in the league.
Those days are now long gone.
you could be right...i just think that ARI doesn't have the kind of run game & defense PIT evolved over the years, so even if they wanted to, i'm not sure it is that simple that cards will become steelers west all of a sudden...Doesn't chang the fact that, for Fitz/Boldin to be uberstuds (people rank both in top 6-7), they need to be in the top 1/4 of the league is pass attempts. Maybe higher. If the pass attempts slide further down, as the rush attempts go up, and how he ran the Steeler offense, I fail to see how this is good news.Boldin/Fitz probably looking at low 80s catches, 900-1100 yards, 4-7 tds. There is simply not enough balls for a WR2 in that offense to be in the top 10.PIT of course has had a pretty good defense for the most part during whisenhunt's tenure... hard to run the ball 60 times a game if you are down 3 TDs by halftime...also, i realize they did have ward & burress for a minute, but steelers never had (during whisenhunt tenure) two elite WRs caliber of boldin & fitzgerald... i don't see them evolving into a smashmouth attack any time soon... a solid running attack could be a plus... more sustained drives, offensive plays, red zone attempts, etc...I don't really see how this is good news.Steelers were a black hole for WRs beyond Ward. They'll run the ball far more now, is there really enough balls to go around for both Fitz/Boldin?Leinart and Boldin dynasty owner here
I see them going to a more rush based offense, where Fitz or Boldin will have their big games, but never both. Remember when they both had the best years, it was when they lead the league in pass attempts. There is NO CHANCE of that happening again with these coaches.
Play good defense, run the ball, control the clock. How does that translate to "Boldin/Fitz putting up enough production to be top 10 wrs"?. People are forgetting when Boldin/Fitz were at their best, Zona threw more than anyone in the league.
Those days are now long gone.
Coaches change, just like you said Bob. Did anyone think than genius Brian Billick would still have a poubd it out attack 7 or 8 years into his coaching career after he was a boy wonder in Minnesota? The answer is probably not but he saw the "D" was the strength of the team and he was smart enough to build around them.Bob_Magaw said:you could be right...i just think that ARI doesn't have the kind of run game & defense PIT evolved over the years, so even if they wanted to, i'm not sure it is that simple that cards will become steelers west all of a sudden...billyjoe said:Doesn't chang the fact that, for Fitz/Boldin to be uberstuds (people rank both in top 6-7), they need to be in the top 1/4 of the league is pass attempts. Maybe higher. If the pass attempts slide further down, as the rush attempts go up, and how he ran the Steeler offense, I fail to see how this is good news.Boldin/Fitz probably looking at low 80s catches, 900-1100 yards, 4-7 tds. There is simply not enough balls for a WR2 in that offense to be in the top 10.Bob_Magaw said:PIT of course has had a pretty good defense for the most part during whisenhunt's tenure... hard to run the ball 60 times a game if you are down 3 TDs by halftime...also, i realize they did have ward & burress for a minute, but steelers never had (during whisenhunt tenure) two elite WRs caliber of boldin & fitzgerald... i don't see them evolving into a smashmouth attack any time soon... a solid running attack could be a plus... more sustained drives, offensive plays, red zone attempts, etc...billyjoe said:I don't really see how this is good news.Steelers were a black hole for WRs beyond Ward. They'll run the ball far more now, is there really enough balls to go around for both Fitz/Boldin?Blackjacks said:Leinart and Boldin dynasty owner hereBob_Magaw said:
I see them going to a more rush based offense, where Fitz or Boldin will have their big games, but never both. Remember when they both had the best years, it was when they lead the league in pass attempts. There is NO CHANCE of that happening again with these coaches.
Play good defense, run the ball, control the clock. How does that translate to "Boldin/Fitz putting up enough production to be top 10 wrs"?. People are forgetting when Boldin/Fitz were at their best, Zona threw more than anyone in the league.
Those days are now long gone.
a good coach will adapt to the strengths of his team... i still think a more balanced attack could be good thing for the overall offense, for reasons cited above... it all comes down to what gives the team the best chance to score & win... its possible that a maturing leinart with fitz/boldin will present a more formidable, dangerous & explosive passing attack than what new HC had to work with in PIT, so it is hard to rule out beforehand the fact that whisenhunt might choose to emphasize the pass more than in the past...
in cities like PIT in the north & east it is important to have a competent run game when the weather changes... that isn't so much a factor any more...
i'm sure they would like to kill the clock at the end if they have the lead, but i'm not so sure they won't continue to pass the ball in the earlier stages of the game, if that gives them the best chance to move the ball, score & win...
I haven't flip flopped at all. I still believe the Steelers should have hired Whisenhunt although I am glad they didn't hire Grimm. For some reason he just doesn't seem like head coaching material -- I could be wrong though.As far as Tomlin goes I really don't know if I like the hire or not. I am relieved that **** LeBeau will be back as DC and think it is good that Arians will be the OC. We'll just have to wait a couple seasons to see if Tomlin was a good hire or not.S.K.A. said:
Hi GB,I wasn't commenting to anyone specific, just the ebb and flow of the Steeler head coaching threads. I am surprised that Pitt would even extend Russ an interview if he isn't head coach material. I would think they should already have a good idea on that by now.I am pretty excited that the Cardinals brought in the two assistants from Pitt. I hope the fans here don't expect instant and consistent success like the Steelers typically enjoy. Having said that, I don't think the steelers are impervious to a hiring faux pas. Tomlin is a big risk, but most of the fans on this board have already talked themselves into this guy and you even see people trashing two of the top assistants that have had an integral part in the Steeler's success.
