Ryan Braun (1 Viewer)

[Balco]

Wow, off on a technicality. I agree completely with the ruling, as policies should be strictly enforced. If MLB didn't comply, then the suspension rightfully was set aside.

Would love to see Braun admit that he is a cheater, but obviously he isn't going to admit that. He should just be thankful that he avoids a suspension and will be vindicated in some naive fan's eyes. And he should stay away from the PEDs in the future.

 

[dparker713]

Good for him, I'm surprised but happy for him if he was wrongfully accused. Now I'd like to see MLB address how this leak happened. This is a man's reputation on the line here and it could affect everything from endorsements to a HOF candidacy based on inuendo.

This is so wrong it's not even funny. He got off on a gross technicality, not because he wasn't using. Here's a snippet from the story:

Braun didn't argue evidence of tampering, didn't argue anything about science being wrong but argued protocol had not been followed. A second source confirmed to ESPN investigative reporter Mark Fainaru-Wada that Braun did not dispute the science but rather questioned chain of custody/collection procedure.According to one of the sources, the collector, after getting Braun's sample, was supposed to take the sample to FedEx/Kinkos for shipping but thought it was closed because it was late on a Saturday. As has occurred in some other instances, the collector took the sample home and kept it refrigerated. Policy states that the sample is supposed to get to FedEx as soon as possible.Braun's initial T/E ratio was more than 20:1. And sources previously confirmed synthetic testosterone in his system. Source says MLB is livid and is considering options and other comment.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7608360/ryan-braun-wins-appeal-50-game-suspension

So, you support strict liability for the player but not the MLB?And this is still all anonymous sources. Always suspect.

 

[one time]

There are policies for a reason. A guy took home and kept Braun's urine in a refrigerator for 2 days. Who can say that it wasn't tampered with? Why in the WORLD would someone think its ok to bring home a patients urine and keep it in their refrigerator? That completely goes against common sense. Add to that that the ratio was way off and something stinks.

But go ahead and judge a guy who was ruled not guilty because he proved it to the best he could. Go ahead and berate a guy who had to listen to all these rumors when someone with MLB affiliation leaked this out to a reporter in the first place. I feel bad for Braun in this situation. But of course some random people on the internet with no medicinal background know better than everyone else. Yeah.

 

[Eephus]

While I think it would be cool to have a job associated with Major League Baseball, I draw the line at urine sample gofer.

 

[Limp Ditka]

There are policies for a reason. A guy took home and kept Braun's urine in a refrigerator for 2 days. Who can say that it wasn't tampered with? Why in the WORLD would someone think its ok to bring home a patients urine and keep it in their refrigerator? That completely goes against common sense. Add to that that the ratio was way off and something stinks.But go ahead and judge a guy who was ruled not guilty because he proved it to the best he could. Go ahead and berate a guy who had to listen to all these rumors when someone with MLB affiliation leaked this out to a reporter in the first place. I feel bad for Braun in this situation. But of course some random people on the internet with no medicinal background know better than everyone else. Yeah.

Link to Ryan Braun being ruled 'not guilty'?

 

[monessen]

Anyone who believes Braun did not cheat must live in Disneyworld. Why else would his reps contest the procedural aspect? Essentially, Braun had to get off on a technicality so both he and MLB could have an out. Is there a soul who follows MLB that thought the reigning MVP was going to serve a 50 game suspension? Too much at stake---for the Brewers, their fans, youngsters who look up to the Ryan Brauns, fantasy owners, and Milwaukee Bud the Commissioner, especially with Fielder gone. ESPN's reporting has been quite thorough in providing keen detail. Of course sources are going to be tight-lipped. The thing is still fluid. Braun's 2012 stats will be interesting because AndroGel or whatever is likely going bye-bye.

 

[The Kerminator]

There are policies for a reason. A guy took home and kept Braun's urine in a refrigerator for 2 days. Who can say that it wasn't tampered with? Why in the WORLD would someone think its ok to bring home a patients urine and keep it in their refrigerator? That completely goes against common sense. Add to that that the ratio was way off and something stinks.But go ahead and judge a guy who was ruled not guilty because he proved it to the best he could. Go ahead and berate a guy who had to listen to all these rumors when someone with MLB affiliation leaked this out to a reporter in the first place. I feel bad for Braun in this situation. But of course some random people on the internet with no medicinal background know better than everyone else. Yeah.

There are policies for a reason and MLB broke them at just about every corner. As bad as the leaking the information was, today's statement by MLB was even worse. So a guy with a squeeky clean image up until MLB leaks information about a possible positive drug test has his reputation ruined. That is the exact reason that the process is to be confidential. To protect those. And then the appeal process is also there to protect a player's reputation who is wrongfully accused. So when MLB is ruled against, they issue a statement that says they "vehemently disagree" with the ruling. Had they not commented at all, like the process calls for, Braun's reputation could have been somewhat restored. Instead it comes off as MLB baseball doesn't believe he is clean.

 

[The Kerminator]

Anyone who believes Braun did not cheat must live in Disneyworld. Why else would his reps contest the procedural aspect? Essentially, Braun had to get off on a technicality so both he and MLB could have an out. Is there a soul who follows MLB that thought the reigning MVP was going to serve a 50 game suspension? Too much at stake---for the Brewers, their fans, youngsters who look up to the Ryan Brauns, fantasy owners, and Milwaukee Bud the Commissioner, especially with Fielder gone. ESPN's reporting has been quite thorough in providing keen detail. Of course sources are going to be tight-lipped. The thing is still fluid. Braun's 2012 stats will be interesting because AndroGel or whatever is likely going bye-bye.

Except this ignores one main thing -- today's statement from the commissioner's office stating they vehemently disagree with the ruling. If they were trying to protect him they wouldn't have issued any statement. Instead it comes across as they don't think he is "clean".

 

[Limp Ditka]

Anyone who believes Braun did not cheat must live in Disneyworld. Why else would his reps contest the procedural aspect? Essentially, Braun had to get off on a technicality so both he and MLB could have an out. Is there a soul who follows MLB that thought the reigning MVP was going to serve a 50 game suspension? Too much at stake---for the Brewers, their fans, youngsters who look up to the Ryan Brauns, fantasy owners, and Milwaukee Bud the Commissioner, especially with Fielder gone. ESPN's reporting has been quite thorough in providing keen detail. Of course sources are going to be tight-lipped. The thing is still fluid. Braun's 2012 stats will be interesting because AndroGel or whatever is likely going bye-bye.

Except this ignores one main thing -- today's statement from the commissioner's office stating they vehemently disagree with the ruling. If they were trying to protect him they wouldn't have issued any statement. Instead it comes across as they don't think he is "clean".

1. What are they supposed to say? This whole thing is a kick in MLBs coins. 2. The statement might have come from the 'commissioner's office', but it didn't come from 'the commissioner'.

 

[dparker713]

Anyone who believes Braun did not cheat must live in Disneyworld. Why else would his reps contest the procedural aspect? Essentially, Braun had to get off on a technicality so both he and MLB could have an out. Is there a soul who follows MLB that thought the reigning MVP was going to serve a 50 game suspension? Too much at stake---for the Brewers, their fans, youngsters who look up to the Ryan Brauns, fantasy owners, and Milwaukee Bud the Commissioner, especially with Fielder gone. ESPN's reporting has been quite thorough in providing keen detail. Of course sources are going to be tight-lipped. The thing is still fluid. Braun's 2012 stats will be interesting because AndroGel or whatever is likely going bye-bye.

The procedure was contested because you can't really contest anything else. As far as a conspiracy by the commissioner's office, please. They've already proven willing to suspend a major star in the sport and if they were really protecting Braun, you think they'd have even bothered with the appeal? The sport already took the PR hit and the economics of the Brewers are hardly significant enough to call for a conspiracy.

 

[cheese]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

 

[dparker713]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Please, Manny was a much bigger star when he was popped the first time.

 

[shadyridr]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Please, Manny was a much bigger star when he was popped the first time.

The only other guys were Manny and Raffy and both were past their prime

 

[whoknew]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Since when is following proper procedures a "technicality"?

 

[cheese]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Since when is following proper procedures a "technicality"?

Since always. Do you think Braun somehow showed he didn't use PED's?

 

[dparker713]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Please, Manny was a much bigger star when he was popped the first time.

The only other guys were Manny and Raffy and both were past their prime

There have been alot more than 3 suspensions under this policy. And while Manny was past his prime, he'd just finished the Mannywood half season in LA where he crushed everything. He was one of, if not the most, recognizable MLB stars at that time.

 

[dparker713]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Since when is following proper procedures a "technicality"?

Since always. Do you think Braun somehow showed he didn't use PED's?

I think he showed there is no viable evidence he did PED's.Kinda hard for him to prove a negative.

 

[whoknew]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Since when is following proper procedures a "technicality"?

Since always. Do you think Braun somehow showed he didn't use PED's?

I think he showed there is no viable evidence he did PED's.Kinda hard for him to prove a negative.

 

[Bogart]

While I think it would be cool to have a job associated with Major League Baseball, I draw the line at urine sample gofer.

I wonder what the career path and length would be from USG to GM?

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

While I think it would be cool to have a job associated with Major League Baseball, I draw the line at urine sample gofer.

I wonder what the career path and length would be from USG to GM?

First rule of being the urine sample guy: never talk about 'length'.

 

[Wrigley]

I've been thinking about this all night(okay not really)

Anyone else think this whole "technicality" thing is just spin? I mean Hipaa laws preclude anyone from talking about any kind of STD Braun may/may not have been taking medication for(this is what we've been hearing for a couple months now). It's kind of an easy out for both parties. MLB doesn't want all of it's athletes claiming they have the herps to get around drug testing, and Braun doesn't want everyone knowing his junk is infected.

Just my irrational mind at work.

 

[Annyong]

I've been thinking about this all night(okay not really)Anyone else think this whole "technicality" thing is just spin? I mean Hipaa laws preclude anyone from talking about any kind of STD Braun may/may not have been taking medication for(this is what we've been hearing for a couple months now). It's kind of an easy out for both parties. MLB doesn't want all of it's athletes claiming they have the herps to get around drug testing, and Braun doesn't want everyone knowing his junk is infected.Just my irrational mind at work.

personally, i think its a big coverup.

 

[Mr.Pack]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Since when is following proper procedures a "technicality"?

Since always. Do you think Braun somehow showed he didn't use PED's?

Where does it show that he did? He offered a DNA test to prove that test wasn't his, MLB said no.Why's that? Braun knows he's clean, that's why.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

On the fantasy side, FWIW, Razzball has already moved him up to their #1 overall. 2012 Projections: 105/35/110/.310/15

 

[Wrigley]

On the fantasy side, FWIW, Razzball has already moved him up to their #1 overall. 2012 Projections: 105/35/110/.310/15

I've got keeper wood

 

[cheese]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Since when is following proper procedures a "technicality"?

Since always. Do you think Braun somehow showed he didn't use PED's?

Where does it show that he did?

He offered a DNA test to prove that test wasn't his, MLB said no.

Why's that?

Braun knows he's clean, that's why.

When he failed a drug test for PED's?Why did they turn down him taking another test when he failed the first one? Umm, because that's not the policy and would prove nothing. Again, everyone claims there was some sort of other reason when they get caught. For some reason, Ryan Braun gets believed and everyone else gets ridiculed and suspended.

Obviously, anyone can believe what they want, but I'm allowed to think you're crazy for believing it.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Good for him, I'm surprised but happy for him if he was wrongfully accused.

Now I'd like to see MLB address how this leak happened. This is a man's reputation on the line here and it could affect everything from endorsements to a HOF candidacy based on inuendo.

This is so wrong it's not even funny. He got off on a gross technicality, not because he wasn't using. Here's a snippet from the story:

Braun didn't argue evidence of tampering, didn't argue anything about science being wrong but argued protocol had not been followed. A second source confirmed to ESPN investigative reporter Mark Fainaru-Wada that Braun did not dispute the science but rather questioned chain of custody/collection procedure.

According to one of the sources, the collector, after getting Braun's sample, was supposed to take the sample to FedEx/Kinkos for shipping but thought it was closed because it was late on a Saturday. As has occurred in some other instances, the collector took the sample home and kept it refrigerated. Policy states that the sample is supposed to get to FedEx as soon as possible.

Braun's initial T/E ratio was more than 20:1. And sources previously confirmed synthetic testosterone in his system. Source says MLB is livid and is considering options and other comment.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7608360/ryan-braun-wins-appeal-50-game-suspension

So, you support strict liability for the player but not the MLB?And this is still all anonymous sources. Always suspect.

No, I agree that if MLB screwed up here, then the suspension should be overturned. But saying the guy is innocent/exonerated is laughable. That's my issue.

 

[monessen]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Since when is following proper procedures a "technicality"?

Since always. Do you think Braun somehow showed he didn't use PED's?

Where does it show that he did?

He offered a DNA test to prove that test wasn't his, MLB said no.

Why's that?

Braun knows he's clean, that's why.

When he failed a drug test for PED's?Why did they turn down him taking another test when he failed the first one? Umm, because that's not the policy and would prove nothing. Again, everyone claims there was some sort of other reason when they get caught. For some reason, Ryan Braun gets believed and everyone else gets ridiculed and suspended.

Obviously, anyone can believe what they want, but I'm allowed to think you're crazy for believing it.

 

[shadyridr]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Please, Manny was a much bigger star when he was popped the first time.

The only other guys were Manny and Raffy and both were past their prime

There have been alot more than 3 suspensions under this policy. And while Manny was past his prime, he'd just finished the Mannywood half season in LA where he crushed everything. He was one of, if not the most, recognizable MLB stars at that time.

I completely misread your quote. I thought you said there were many bigger stars that have gotten suspended. Carry on

 

[Mr.Pack]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Since when is following proper procedures a "technicality"?

Since always. Do you think Braun somehow showed he didn't use PED's?

Where does it show that he did?

He offered a DNA test to prove that test wasn't his, MLB said no.

Why's that?

Braun knows he's clean, that's why.

When he failed a drug test for PED's?Why did they turn down him taking another test when he failed the first one? Umm, because that's not the policy and would prove nothing. Again, everyone claims there was some sort of other reason when they get caught. For some reason, Ryan Braun gets believed and everyone else gets ridiculed and suspended.

Obviously, anyone can believe what they want, but I'm allowed to think you're crazy for believing it.

The test disappeared for 48hrs.How can anyone besides a hater say for certain that it was his test?

 

[Wrigley]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Since when is following proper procedures a "technicality"?

Since always. Do you think Braun somehow showed he didn't use PED's?

Where does it show that he did?

He offered a DNA test to prove that test wasn't his, MLB said no.

Why's that?

Braun knows he's clean, that's why.

When he failed a drug test for PED's?Why did they turn down him taking another test when he failed the first one? Umm, because that's not the policy and would prove nothing. Again, everyone claims there was some sort of other reason when they get caught. For some reason, Ryan Braun gets believed and everyone else gets ridiculed and suspended.

Obviously, anyone can believe what they want, but I'm allowed to think you're crazy for believing it.

The test disappeared for 48hrs.How can anyone besides a hater say for certain that it was his test?

I laughed out loud when Braun said "there will always be haters"

Don't know if he juiced or not, don't really care.......I'm just glad he's on my fantasy team.

 

[cheese]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Since when is following proper procedures a "technicality"?

Since always. Do you think Braun somehow showed he didn't use PED's?

Where does it show that he did?

He offered a DNA test to prove that test wasn't his, MLB said no.

Why's that?

Braun knows he's clean, that's why.

When he failed a drug test for PED's?Why did they turn down him taking another test when he failed the first one? Umm, because that's not the policy and would prove nothing. Again, everyone claims there was some sort of other reason when they get caught. For some reason, Ryan Braun gets believed and everyone else gets ridiculed and suspended.

Obviously, anyone can believe what they want, but I'm allowed to think you're crazy for believing it.

The test disappeared for 48hrs.How can anyone besides a hater say for certain that it was his test?

Disappeared I don't believe you, but then again, neither do you.

 

[RnR]

Pack: You really think these things aren't tamper proof? More so, you think that the player doesn't have to put his signature on the tamper proof seal? If it was altered, they'd know about it.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

The double standard is crazy and completely predictable. Of all of the drug testing that has been done, they have a technicality make it not count when the MVP fails. What a neat coincidence.

Since when is following proper procedures a "technicality"?

Since always. Do you think Braun somehow showed he didn't use PED's?

Where does it show that he did?

He offered a DNA test to prove that test wasn't his, MLB said no.

Why's that?

Braun knows he's clean, that's why.

When he failed a drug test for PED's?Why did they turn down him taking another test when he failed the first one? Umm, because that's not the policy and would prove nothing. Again, everyone claims there was some sort of other reason when they get caught. For some reason, Ryan Braun gets believed and everyone else gets ridiculed and suspended.

Obviously, anyone can believe what they want, but I'm allowed to think you're crazy for believing it.

The test disappeared for 48hrs.How can anyone besides a hater say for certain that it was his test?

I laughed out loud when Braun said "there will always be haters"

Don't know if he juiced or not, don't really care.......I'm just glad he's on my fantasy team.

Did he have one of his own, personal, Ryan Braun Affliction shirts on?

 

[Bojang0301]

No matter how you look at this, every event in question leads back to Bud Selig. He has been the worst person to ever affect the sport. The All-Star game, the divisional splits, extra wild card, the steroid era. Terrible.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Good for him, I'm surprised but happy for him if he was wrongfully accused. Now I'd like to see MLB address how this leak happened. This is a man's reputation on the line here and it could affect everything from endorsements to a HOF candidacy based on inuendo.

This is so wrong it's not even funny. He got off on a gross technicality, not because he wasn't using. Here's a snippet from the story:

Braun didn't argue evidence of tampering, didn't argue anything about science being wrong but argued protocol had not been followed. A second source confirmed to ESPN investigative reporter Mark Fainaru-Wada that Braun did not dispute the science but rather questioned chain of custody/collection procedure.According to one of the sources, the collector, after getting Braun's sample, was supposed to take the sample to FedEx/Kinkos for shipping but thought it was closed because it was late on a Saturday. As has occurred in some other instances, the collector took the sample home and kept it refrigerated. Policy states that the sample is supposed to get to FedEx as soon as possible.Braun's initial T/E ratio was more than 20:1. And sources previously confirmed synthetic testosterone in his system. Source says MLB is livid and is considering options and other comment.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7608360/ryan-braun-wins-appeal-50-game-suspension

I have flip flopped already in here, so I'll do so again. My post came before MLB's statement, which is so unprecedented in its strength, that it looks pretty bad for Braun. I would imagine if he DIDN'T use, he'd have a pretty good defamation case.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

No matter how you look at this, every event in question leads back to Bud Selig. He has been the worst person to ever affect the sport. The All-Star game, the divisional splits, extra wild card, the steroid era. Terrible.

I completely disagree with this. MLB spends enough money to test these guys and because the handler makes an error it comes back to Bud...that's not right.

 

[Eviloutsider]

No matter how you look at this, every event in question leads back to Bud Selig. He has been the worst person to ever affect the sport. The All-Star game, the divisional splits, extra wild card, the steroid era. Terrible.

I completely disagree with this. MLB spends enough money to test these guys and because the handler makes an error it comes back to Bud...that's not right.

Selig has been one of the best commissioners ever. Ever.

 

[dparker713]

No matter how you look at this, every event in question leads back to Bud Selig. He has been the worst person to ever affect the sport. The All-Star game, the divisional splits, extra wild card, the steroid era. Terrible.

I completely disagree with this. MLB spends enough money to test these guys and because the handler makes an error it comes back to Bud...that's not right.

Selig has been one of the best commissioners ever. Ever.

Of baseball? Ok, maybe. Of all sports? Not a chance.

 

[Bojang0301]

No matter how you look at this, every event in question leads back to Bud Selig. He has been the worst person to ever affect the sport. The All-Star game, the divisional splits, extra wild card, the steroid era. Terrible.

I completely disagree with this. MLB spends enough money to test these guys and because the handler makes an error it comes back to Bud...that's not right.

Selig has been one of the best commissioners ever. Ever.

Ooof.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@JeffPassan: BREAKING: Ryan Braun's name is in Biogenesis records and MLB will investigate his association with PED clinic. News: http://t.co/Z8jvz8X8

 

[Annyong]

Lol

 

[Balco]

Shocked.