Ryan Grant holding out (1 Viewer)

[Sweetness_34]

Did not see this posted anywhere

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"Unfortunately, I've got to say we are at point zero," said Alan Herman, Grant's New York-based agent. "We're so far from getting it done it's mind-boggling."

Herman described Green Bay's offer as "offensive" and said Grant "is past disappointed. Ryan is angry."

"First it was free agency, then it was the Combine, then it was the draft, then OTAs," Herman said. "You name it, there was always an excuse not to get a proposal."

On the eve of Packers training camp, an irate Grant was at home in Rockland County, New York. There wasn't much likelihood he'd be joining his teammates any time soon.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=439130

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From the Milwaukee journal sentinel:

"It's insulting," agent Alan Herman said of the offer he received from negotiator Russ Ball Saturday at 5:15 p.m. "Ryan Grant gave them a running game last year. They know what he can do."

Herman said the most insulting part of the offer was the $1.75 million signing bonus the Packers offered on a six-year contract extension. Herman said that was almost half of the $3 million linebacker Brady Poppinga receiver on his four-year extension that was signed last week.

He said the Packers' offer paled in comparison to what he said was a four-year, $40 million deal the Chicago Bears gave returner Devin Hester, who like Grant has two years left before becoming a free agent. Hester, he said, received $10 million in guaranteed money despite never having proved himself as a wide receiver.

"I can't believe after 5 1/2 months, after the Packers said to us that this was a unique situation, that the Packers take care of their own, that we would get in a situation as unreasonable as this," Herman said. "I've never seen anything like that in my 24 years in the business."

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...lting-quot.aspx

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Grant was like the RB4 on this rofter going into training camp last season so it is a unique situation...if I were the Pack I might not offer a ton either till I saw it at least one more time.

 

[obxlegends]

Seems the answer is probably an incentive laden 4 year deal with a roster bonus going into that 4th year. This way it's a win-win for all involved.

 

[renesauz]

The winner in all of this could turn out to be Brandon Jackson, and all of his fantasy owners. We all knew Jackson would need a season or two, and now he just needs an opening.

 

[BLOX]

It's not as simple as just signing the incentive laden deal otherwise it would be done already.

Both sides have already stated that is the intention going in. The problem is the signing bonus. The Packers are worried about giving up too much in a signing bonus to see Jackson run away with the starting gig.

 

[Godsbrother]

It's not as simple as just signing the incentive laden deal otherwise it would be done already.Both sides have already stated that is the intention going in. The problem is the signing bonus. The Packers are worried about giving up too much in a signing bonus to see Jackson run away with the starting gig.

In the NFL it is all about the signing bonus. It is the only thing guaranteed. The problem I have with the agent is his choice of words: you can lose a lot of fan support when you call an offer of $1.75 million "insulting".That said, a $1.75 million bonus on a 6-year contract for a starting RB is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

You have Ryan Grant who wants to play for the Packers and Brett Farve who wants to play for the Packers and the Packers don't want them.

I've always been indifferent on the Packers in terms of likeability for me and now they're management is starting to irritate me. The fans are great, but I don't get how you are one of the top 3 teams in the NFC with Farve and Grant and months just before the season you handle these situations like this to cause drama/concern.

I hope somebody else in the NFC North wins the division. Come on Lions!

 

[ConstruxBoy]

The winner in all of this could turn out to be Brandon Jackson, and all of his fantasy owners. We all knew Jackson would need a season or two, and now he just needs an opening.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

He said the Packers' offer paled in comparison to what he said was a four-year, $40 million deal the Chicago Bears gave returner Devin Hester, who like Grant has two years left before becoming a free agent. Hester, he said, received $10 million in guaranteed money despite never having proved himself as a wide receiver.

This was my favorite part. Yeah, let's compare the situation to any deal made by Jerry Angelo. Just because the Bears are stupid doesn't mean the Packers should follow suit.TT will get a deal done on his own timetable....hmm....just like with Favre.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

In the NFL it is all about the signing bonus. It is the only thing guaranteed. The problem I have with the agent is his choice of words: you can lose a lot of fan support when you call an offer of $1.75 million "insulting".That said, a $1.75 million bonus on a 6-year contract for a starting RB is absolutely ridiculous.

Considering the guaranteed bonus' that rookies are paid, at least Grant has produced in the league.

 

[Couch Potato]

$1.75 mil in guarantees on a 6 year deal for a starter IS insulting. By comparison, 33 year old Warrick Dunn just received $2MM in guarantees as part of a 2 year contract to play backup in Tampa. Seattle signed Duckett, a man without any real defined role at all, to a 5 year deal that included $4MM in guarantees including a $2MM signing bonus. Bad karma for Green Bay if they don't smarten up. Grant showed he's a quality back.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

The winner in all of this could turn out to be Brandon Jackson, and all of his fantasy owners. We all knew Jackson would need a season or two, and now he just needs an opening.

Which may be the reason why the Pack are dragging their feet

 

[ConstruxBoy]

The winner in all of this could turn out to be Brandon Jackson, and all of his fantasy owners. We all knew Jackson would need a season or two, and now he just needs an opening.

Which may be the reason why the Pack are dragging their feet

Maybe they want to see more of Jackson in Pre-Season before spending too much on Grant.

 

[Tau837]

Moving from Favre & Grant last year to Rodgers & Jackson this year is not normally the kind of direction a team chooses for itself. Good luck with that.

 

[BLOX]

All-around Jackson is likely the better running back and I think the Packers know that. However, Grant has already proven himself. It's just another tough situation to be in when you have a very deep young team.

RBBC with Grant/Jackson is ideal as a Packer fan though. Jackson is already going to be the 3rd down back so we'll see what happens.

 

[Golden Mike Tomczak]

Is it just me, or are the Pack becoming less competitive by the day. I mean the whole Favre thing, I kinda understand. Pissing off your RB 1 is just not good at this point. As if team chemistry wasn't already bad enough...

 

[benbadman]

GB should release Grant & Favre. Favre to Vikes, Grant to Lions. Now THAT would be entertaining.

 

[Couch Potato]

GB should release Grant & Favre. Favre to Vikes, Grant to Lions. Now THAT would be entertaining.

Let's be fair about this intra-division giveaway. May as well also give Jennings to the Bears to even things up.

 

[joffer]

All-around Jackson is likely the better running back and I think the Packers know that.

this is the same Jackson that averaged 3.6 YPC to Grant's 5.1 last year right?

 

[Chase Stuart]

There's an awful lot of love for Brandon Jackson in this thread, and most of it seems unjustified. Grant looked about a million times better than Jackson did last year. I understand liking Jackson's potential, but if I was a Packers fan, I'd be very worried about downgrading from Grant to Jackson.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

hmmmmm I wonder if Brett Favre will chime in and tell a player holding out to get his butt into camp

 

[AB in DC]

There's an awful lot of love for Brandon Jackson in this thread, and most of it seems unjustified. Grant looked about a million times better than Jackson did last year.

Good thing we're drafting for this year, then, not last year.

 

[Devilsden2001]

They should package Farve and Grant in a trade to Tampa and see if they can get the first rounder they are looking for. Bring in Alexander for a year until they determine if Jackson is the future RB for this franchise.

 

[Flash]

Ryan Grant has played a total of 8 games in his NFL career.Anyone bashing the Packers on this one really has no clue about football and how the NFL works.Give me a break. 10 count em' TEN total games in is career.And he wants to be paid like LT. Edited to say he played in 10 games. Here are those stats:

8 Oct 29 @ DEN W 19-13 22 104 4.7 24 0 3 7 2.3 8 0 0 0 9 Nov 4 @ KAN W 33-22 19 55 2.9 12 0 4 37 9.3 15 0 0 0 10 Nov 11 MIN W 34-0 25 119 4.8 30 1 5 20 4.0 6 0 0 0 11 Nov 18 CAR W 31-17 20 88 4.4 23 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 0 0 12 Nov 22 @ DET W 37-26 15 101 6.7 31 1 6 31 5.2 13 0 0 0 13 Nov 29 @ DAL L 27-37 14 94 6.7 62 2 1 4 4.0 4 0 0 0 14 Dec 9 OAK W 38-7 29 156 5.4 26 1 2 6 3.0 5 0 0 0 15 Dec 16 @ STL W 33-14 18 55 3.1 24 1 2 3 1.5 2 0 1 1 16 Dec 23 @ CHI L 7-35 14 100 7.1 66 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 0 0 17 Dec 30 DET W 34-13 6 57 9.5 27 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 Total 188 956 5.1 66 8 30 145 4.8 21 0 1 1

 

[gruecd]

Moving from Favre & Grant last year to Rodgers & Jackson this year is not normally the kind of direction a team chooses for itself. Good luck with that.

No kidding.

 

[Portis 26]

The broader point is this is not very smart by Grant's agent, who is sacrificing the potential for a big deal for his client down the road by attempting to achieve a much smaller one now with a lot of disruption.

If Grant starts this year and posts good numbers, then the Pack would very likely sign him to a big long-term deal.

As it is, the best they can get now, is a pissy little upgrade, and if they do get that they will certainly forfeit the possibility of that nice fat deal next year.

Poor, short-termist agency.

 

[Flash]

The broader point is this is not very smart by Grant's agent, who is sacrificing the potential for a big deal for his client down the road by attempting to achieve a much smaller one now with a lot of disruption.If Grant starts this year and posts good numbers, then the Pack would very likely sign him to a big long-term deal.As it is, the best they can get now, is a pissy little upgrade, and if they do get that they will certainly forfeit the possibility of that nice fat deal next year.Poor, short-termist agency.

Damn

 

[Challenge Everything]

Ryan Grant has played a total of 8 games in his NFL career.Anyone bashing the Packers on this one really has no clue about football and how the NFL works.Give me a break. 10 count em' TEN total games in is career.And he wants to be paid like LT.

And rookies play 0 games before "earning" their huge signing bonuses and huge contracts. Needless to say, the Packers are dropping on Favre and Grant.

 

[Tau837]

Ryan Grant has played a total of 8 games in his NFL career.Anyone bashing the Packers on this one really has no clue about football and how the NFL works.Give me a break. 8 count em' EIGHT total games in is career.1-2-3-4-5-6-7-88And he wants to be paid like LT.

Actually, he's played in 17 games, and been featured in 12. In those 12 games as a feature back, he compiled 1281 yards from scrimmage, 28 receptions, and 11 TDs, and averaged 5.2 ypc. And he's not asking for LT money.But don't let any facts stand in your way. Carry on.

 

[bbuster]

There's an awful lot of love for Brandon Jackson in this thread, and most of it seems unjustified. Grant looked about a million times better than Jackson did last year. I understand liking Jackson's potential, but if I was a Packers fan, I'd be very worried about downgrading from Grant to Jackson.

Lots of Jackson owners in the thread?

 

[joffer]

And he wants to be paid like LT.

link?

 

[Godsbrother]

The broader point is this is not very smart by Grant's agent, who is sacrificing the potential for a big deal for his client down the road by attempting to achieve a much smaller one now with a lot of disruption.If Grant starts this year and posts good numbers, then the Pack would very likely sign him to a big long-term deal.As it is, the best they can get now, is a pissy little upgrade, and if they do get that they will certainly forfeit the possibility of that nice fat deal next year.Poor, short-termist agency.

Damn

Disgaree here. Grant's agent is supposed to do what is in the best interest of his client. If he feels that having Grant hold out can get him a longer term deal with a nice signing bonus then he should do it. Grant could suffer a career ending injury in camp or any point this season. If he does then he just did it for 1-year RB4 money.

 

[RIM]

is he holding out? i thought he was a exclusive rights restricted free agent...or whatever the NFL calls it. am i mistaken?

 

[H.K.]

is he holding out? i thought he was a exclusive rights restricted free agent...or whatever the NFL calls it. am i mistaken?

He is an Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA). Such a player has no more than two accrued seasons in the NFL and may only sign with his prior team, provided, of course, that the team extends a minimum qualifying offer to the player.

 

[Portis 26]

The broader point is this is not very smart by Grant's agent, who is sacrificing the potential for a big deal for his client down the road by attempting to achieve a much smaller one now with a lot of disruption.If Grant starts this year and posts good numbers, then the Pack would very likely sign him to a big long-term deal.As it is, the best they can get now, is a pissy little upgrade, and if they do get that they will certainly forfeit the possibility of that nice fat deal next year.Poor, short-termist agency.

Damn

Disgaree here. Grant's agent is supposed to do what is in the best interest of his client. If he feels that having Grant hold out can get him a longer term deal with a nice signing bonus then he should do it. Grant could suffer a career ending injury in camp or any point this season. If he does then he just did it for 1-year RB4 money.

But this is not in the best interests of his client. In fact he is sacrificing the best interests of his clients by these tactics.Let's say he manages to squeeze out a minor contract upgrade for his client, after much bad feeling with the Packer organisation. He will have done so at the cost of a much more lucrative long-term extension that his client could have received next year, because next year the team will argue that it already re-did his deal.Now, sure, there is always the chance that he undergoes a career ending injury. But you can't let that play a big part in your thinking because you'll end up with a lot less money that way.

 

[RIM]

is he holding out? i thought he was a exclusive rights restricted free agent...or whatever the NFL calls it. am i mistaken?

He is an Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA). Such a player has no more than two accrued seasons in the NFL and may only sign with his prior team, provided, of course, that the team extends a minimum qualifying offer to the player.

anyone know what his "tender" offer was by the Packers?Edit:

found it:

July 16, 2008, 10:34

Packers :: RB

RB Grant Will Not Sign Tender, Report To Camp

Pete Dougherty, Green Bay Press Gazette - [Full Article]

The agent for Green Bay Packer RB Ryan Grant says his client will not sign the minimum second year player tender that would pay Grant $370,000 for the upcoming season. Grant and the Packers have been in negotiations this offseason on a new long term deal for the breakout RB. Grant does not plan to report to training camp until a deal gets done.

 

[lord_helmet]

The broader point is this is not very smart by Grant's agent, who is sacrificing the potential for a big deal for his client down the road by attempting to achieve a much smaller one now with a lot of disruption.If Grant starts this year and posts good numbers, then the Pack would very likely sign him to a big long-term deal.As it is, the best they can get now, is a pissy little upgrade, and if they do get that they will certainly forfeit the possibility of that nice fat deal next year.Poor, short-termist agency.

Damn

Disgaree here. Grant's agent is supposed to do what is in the best interest of his client. If he feels that having Grant hold out can get him a longer term deal with a nice signing bonus then he should do it. Grant could suffer a career ending injury in camp or any point this season. If he does then he just did it for 1-year RB4 money.

But this is not in the best interests of his client. In fact he is sacrificing the best interests of his clients by these tactics.Let's say he manages to squeeze out a minor contract upgrade for his client, after much bad feeling with the Packer organisation. He will have done so at the cost of a much more lucrative long-term extension that his client could have received next year, because next year the team will argue that it already re-did his deal.Now, sure, there is always the chance that he undergoes a career ending injury. But you can't let that play a big part in your thinking because you'll end up with a lot less money that way.

One in the hand is better than 10 on the roof....

 

[Donnybrook]

Anyone bashing the Packers on this one really has no clue about football and how the NFL works.

Aren't the Packers like 20 M under the cap? They should just pay the man.

 

[Donnybrook]

The broader point is this is not very smart by Grant's agent, who is sacrificing the potential for a big deal for his client down the road by attempting to achieve a much smaller one now with a lot of disruption.

If Grant starts this year and posts good numbers, then the Pack would very likely sign him to a big long-term deal.

As it is, the best they can get now, is a pissy little upgrade, and if they do get that they will certainly forfeit the possibility of that nice fat deal next year.

Poor, short-termist agency.

Might work but then again it might not. Javon Walker shut up, showed up for training camp and then had an career threating ACL injury in game one. Packers wanted nothing to do with him after that.

 

[BLOX]

Ugggg,

who put those stats up. 3.6 ypc to 5.1

Yeah, after the O-line settled in. But, if you would have read my entire post you would see, that as a Packer fan it is exciting to see that Grant/Jackson combo once the dust settles. But, you go on and have your arguement. I'll just stand over here and watch.

It's the same reason I KNOW that Rodgers is ready. I've seen him grow. I've seen the changes, but until you see you wait. Well, good luck with that.

 

[BigJim®]

There's an awful lot of love for Brandon Jackson in this thread, and most of it seems unjustified. Grant looked about a million times better than Jackson did last year. I understand liking Jackson's potential, but if I was a Packers fan, I'd be very worried about downgrading from Grant to Jackson.

This is a really weird situation. If Green Bay is going to play hardball with the tag then they should not be giving Grant and his agent false hope that they are serious about extending him to a fair deal. A $1.75 million bonus to lock a guy for what would likely be his career is not a serious offer, it is plainly insulting. Bad form Pack. This situation, unlike the Favre fiasco, is 100% your own doing.

 

[joffer]

Ugggg,who put those stats up. 3.6 ypc to 5.1

that was me. were they incorrect?

Yeah, after the O-line settled in. But, if you would have read my entire post you would see, that as a Packer fan it is exciting to see that Grant/Jackson combo once the dust settles.

well, my ADD did kick in, but i managed to get through your whole post. i have not problem if you think it will be RBBC. what i was trying to understand is your claim that Jackson is likely the better RB, and the team must already know this.

But, you go on and have your arguement. I'll just stand over here and watch.

ok, thanks

It's the same reason I KNOW that Rodgers is ready. I've seen him grow. I've seen the changes, but until you see you wait. Well, good luck with that.

this has nothing to do with Rodgers. what have you seen that makes you think Jackson is the better RB?

 

[obxlegends]

McFadden gets 10's of millions of dollars and hasn't had a carry and no one says a word.

Ryan Grant dominates and wants "fair" market value and everyone turns on him.

Ted Thompson, you're a genius.

Just waiting to see who the next Packer Ted Thompson turns his back on. Calling Aaron Kampman...

 

[GregR_2]

is he holding out? i thought he was a exclusive rights restricted free agent...or whatever the NFL calls it. am i mistaken?

He is an Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA). Such a player has no more than two accrued seasons in the NFL and may only sign with his prior team, provided, of course, that the team extends a minimum qualifying offer to the player.

anyone know what his "tender" offer was by the Packers?Edit:

found it:

July 16, 2008, 10:34

Packers :: RB

RB Grant Will Not Sign Tender, Report To Camp

Pete Dougherty, Green Bay Press Gazette - [Full Article]

The agent for Green Bay Packer RB Ryan Grant says his client will not sign the minimum second year player tender that would pay Grant $370,000 for the upcoming season. Grant and the Packers have been in negotiations this offseason on a new long term deal for the breakout RB. Grant does not plan to report to training camp until a deal gets done.

And to further put Grant's situation in perspective, he made $320,280 last year. This isn't a case of a guy who got a $4m signing bonus as a rookie. He's played for basically the league minimum, and that's what the Packers tendered him at. Unless he and the team can agree to a contract, his only recourse is to sign the tender or hold out.Let's say he plays next year for the tender and has a career ending injury. He'd leave the NFL having made around $700,000. Compared to what other players are making, I can certainly understand why a decent signing bonus is important to him.

But however you look at it, what the Packers are offering is pitiful and I agree it insulting. That bonus on a 6 year contract is a slap in the face. The bonus they offered was at best appropriate for a 1 year contract, not a 6.

 

[obxlegends]

is he holding out? i thought he was a exclusive rights restricted free agent...or whatever the NFL calls it. am i mistaken?

He is an Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA). Such a player has no more than two accrued seasons in the NFL and may only sign with his prior team, provided, of course, that the team extends a minimum qualifying offer to the player.

anyone know what his "tender" offer was by the Packers?Edit:

found it:

July 16, 2008, 10:34

Packers :: RB

RB Grant Will Not Sign Tender, Report To Camp

Pete Dougherty, Green Bay Press Gazette - [Full Article]

The agent for Green Bay Packer RB Ryan Grant says his client will not sign the minimum second year player tender that would pay Grant $370,000 for the upcoming season. Grant and the Packers have been in negotiations this offseason on a new long term deal for the breakout RB. Grant does not plan to report to training camp until a deal gets done.

And to further put Grant's situation in perspective, he made $320,280 last year. This isn't a case of a guy who got a $4m signing bonus as a rookie. He's played for basically the league minimum, and that's what the Packers tendered him at. Unless he and the team can agree to a contract, his only recourse is to sign the tender or hold out.Let's say he plays next year for the tender and has a career ending injury. He'd leave the NFL having made around $700,000. Compared to what other players are making, I can certainly understand why a decent signing bonus is important to him.

But however you look at it, what the Packers are offering is pitiful and I agree it insulting. That bonus on a 6 year contract is a slap in the face. The bonus they offered was at best appropriate for a 1 year contract, not a 6.

Well said.

 

[BeTheMatch]

You have Ryan Grant who wants to play for the Packers and Brett Farve who wants to play for the Packers and the Packers don't want them.

I've always been indifferent on the Packers in terms of likeability for me and now they're management is starting to irritate me. The fans are great, but I don't get how you are one of the top 3 teams in the NFC with Farve and Grant and months just before the season you handle these situations like this to cause drama/concern.

I hope somebody else in the NFC North wins the division. Come on Lions!

This is one of the bigger myths in the NFL, and it irritates me. Sure, the Packer fans have been great when Brett Favre has been their quarterback for every game over the past how many ever years it's been. But what fans wouldn't be great in that situation? Check out their history in the years right before Favre came there. The stands were just as empty as in any other losing franchise. Packer fans - like almost all other fans - are simply bandwagon jumpers. Everyone loves a winner. It's not hard to do that, and it's nothing to hold up in admiration.

 

[Warhogs]

I wonder if this situation is really married to the Brett Favre situation? If GB gives Grant a nice contract and the Favre reports maybe they start having cap issues that would thenforce GB to give Favre his wish and release him? This may also be why GB inexplicably seems to not want Favre back. I think GB will move Favre for the most they can get and then you will see them quickly reaching an agreement with Grant after that. GB is just trying to not tie their hands working through this.

 

[Godsbrother]

The broader point is this is not very smart by Grant's agent, who is sacrificing the potential for a big deal for his client down the road by attempting to achieve a much smaller one now with a lot of disruption.

If Grant starts this year and posts good numbers, then the Pack would very likely sign him to a big long-term deal.

As it is, the best they can get now, is a pissy little upgrade, and if they do get that they will certainly forfeit the possibility of that nice fat deal next year.

Poor, short-termist agency.

Damn

Disgaree here. Grant's agent is supposed to do what is in the best interest of his client. If he feels that having Grant hold out can get him a longer term deal with a nice signing bonus then he should do it. Grant could suffer a career ending injury in camp or any point this season. If he does then he just did it for 1-year RB4 money.

But this is not in the best interests of his client. In fact he is sacrificing the best interests of his clients by these tactics.Let's say he manages to squeeze out a minor contract upgrade for his client, after much bad feeling with the Packer organisation. He will have done so at the cost of a much more lucrative long-term extension that his client could have received next year, because next year the team will argue that it already re-did his deal.

Now, sure, there is always the chance that he undergoes a career ending injury. But you can't let that play a big part in your thinking because you'll end up with a lot less money that way.

Grant is not holding out for a minor upgrade. He is their starting RB -- he's not going to get a top 10 RB contract but he should be getting a heckuvalot more than what he is currently getting paid -- probably not much more than league minimum. Injuries are a MAJOR concern for NFL players -- that is why he wants a decent signing bonus now and I don't blame him a bit.The only thing I don't like is his agent throwing around terms like "angry" and "insulting". I don't think that endures you to managment at a time when you want them to pony up the big bucks.

 

[ScottyFargo]

You have Ryan Grant who wants to play for the Packers and Brett Farve who wants to play for the Packers and the Packers don't want them.

I've always been indifferent on the Packers in terms of likeability for me and now they're management is starting to irritate me. The fans are great, but I don't get how you are one of the top 3 teams in the NFC with Farve and Grant and months just before the season you handle these situations like this to cause drama/concern.

I hope somebody else in the NFC North wins the division. Come on Lions!

This is one of the bigger myths in the NFL, and it irritates me. Sure, the Packer fans have been great when Brett Favre has been their quarterback for every game over the past how many ever years it's been. But what fans wouldn't be great in that situation? Check out their history in the years right before Favre came there. The stands were just as empty as in any other losing franchise. Packer fans - like almost all other fans - are simply bandwagon jumpers. Everyone loves a winner. It's not hard to do that, and it's nothing to hold up in admiration.

 

[ScottyFargo]

The broader point is this is not very smart by Grant's agent, who is sacrificing the potential for a big deal for his client down the road by attempting to achieve a much smaller one now with a lot of disruption.

If Grant starts this year and posts good numbers, then the Pack would very likely sign him to a big long-term deal.

As it is, the best they can get now, is a pissy little upgrade, and if they do get that they will certainly forfeit the possibility of that nice fat deal next year.

Poor, short-termist agency.

Damn

Disgaree here. Grant's agent is supposed to do what is in the best interest of his client. If he feels that having Grant hold out can get him a longer term deal with a nice signing bonus then he should do it. Grant could suffer a career ending injury in camp or any point this season. If he does then he just did it for 1-year RB4 money.

But this is not in the best interests of his client. In fact he is sacrificing the best interests of his clients by these tactics.Let's say he manages to squeeze out a minor contract upgrade for his client, after much bad feeling with the Packer organisation. He will have done so at the cost of a much more lucrative long-term extension that his client could have received next year, because next year the team will argue that it already re-did his deal.

Now, sure, there is always the chance that he undergoes a career ending injury. But you can't let that play a big part in your thinking because you'll end up with a lot less money that way.

Grant is not holding out for a minor upgrade. He is their starting RB -- he's not going to get a top 10 RB contract but he should be getting a heckuvalot more than what he is currently getting paid -- probably not much more than league minimum. Injuries are a MAJOR concern for NFL players -- that is why he wants a decent signing bonus now and I don't blame him a bit.The only thing I don't like is his agent throwing around terms like "angry" and "insulting". I don't think that endures you to managment at a time when you want them to pony up the big bucks.

On the other end of the stick though, the front office isn't exactly endearing themselves to Grant by lowballing him so hardcore. I think insulting is the correct term.