Ryan Grant holding out (1 Viewer)

[Colin Dowling]

I think this means GBs plans are not to have Grant as a workhorse RB. It looks more like a RBBC with Jackson. Move Grant down and Jackson up unless Grant signs the BIG contract.

Based on what? The fact that Jackson is running with the first team in camp? That doesn't indicate anything other than, "Ryan Grant isn't here, Brandon Jackson is." I'm not sure any presumptions can be made about a change in coaching philosophy (i.e. implementing a RBBC system) until the coach actually rotates backs.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I think this means GBs plans are not to have Grant as a workhorse RB. It looks more like a RBBC with Jackson. Move Grant down and Jackson up unless Grant signs the BIG contract.

 

[CiscoKid]

I think this means GBs plans are not to have Grant as a workhorse RB. It looks more like a RBBC with Jackson. Move Grant down and Jackson up unless Grant signs the BIG contract.

I don't see why this opinion is being so easily dismissed. I think Grant has talent and had an outstanding second half last year but something really doesn't seem right about this situation right now. Only offering him the minimum tender, stringing him along for months and then offering him a pretty low ball deal is starting to send up red flags. It was suggested in another post that maybe the Pack are just waiting for the Farve money to clear via trade before offering him a deal, but if that's the case, why not keep Grant and his agent in the loop about what the issue is? Even with the 12 mil Farve's owed, aren't the pack still 8 mil under the cap? Cap and Farve money aside, they would still be able to work out a bonus if they were committed to Grant.Really, there's only 2 things that sound plausible to me right now -1) TT is pulling some serious gorilla negotiating tactics here (and it's starting to backfire)2) The Pack is just not as committed to Grant for reasons currently unknown that his performance last year would appear to warrant.Either way, I think TT is making a mistake - a lot of RBs were given a shot last year, and Grant appeared a light year better than anyone else. I have a hard time believing anyone else on the roster was able to close that much ground on him that quickly. That being said, if this continues more than a few days, I think Jackson has to start moving up a bit on the boards.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I think this means GBs plans are not to have Grant as a workhorse RB. It looks more like a RBBC with Jackson. Move Grant down and Jackson up unless Grant signs the BIG contract.

I don't see why this opinion is being so easily dismissed. I think Grant has talent and had an outstanding second half last year but something really doesn't seem right about this situation right now. Only offering him the minimum tender, stringing him along for months and then offering him a pretty low ball deal is starting to send up red flags. It was suggested in another post that maybe the Pack are just waiting for the Farve money to clear via trade before offering him a deal, but if that's the case, why not keep Grant and his agent in the loop about what the issue is? Even with the 12 mil Farve's owed, aren't the pack still 8 mil under the cap? Cap and Farve money aside, they would still be able to work out a bonus if they were committed to Grant.Really, there's only 2 things that sound plausible to me right now -

1) TT is pulling some serious gorilla negotiating tactics here (and it's starting to backfire)

2) The Pack is just not as committed to Grant for reasons currently unknown that his performance last year would appear to warrant.

Either way, I think TT is making a mistake - a lot of RBs were given a shot last year, and Grant appeared a light year better than anyone else. I have a hard time believing anyone else on the roster was able to close that much ground on him that quickly. That being said, if this continues more than a few days, I think Jackson has to start moving up a bit on the boards.

Favre

 

[Flash]

SIGNED!!!!!!!

Grant's deal is done; he'll report Sunday

By Tom Silverstein

Saturday, Aug 2 2008, 07:32 PM

Green Bay -- Running back Ryan Grant scored a major victory in his negotiations with the Green Bay Packers, agreeing to terms on a four-year contract loaded with incentives and escalators that could earn him $30 million, his agent Alan Herman told the Journal Sentinel.

"He's very happy," Herman said. "It's been a dream year for him."

The Packers started out offering only a $1.75 million signing bonus, but Herman was able to negotiate a deal that will pay Grant a $3 million roster bonus when he signs the contract and another $1.25 million through base salary ($750,000) and another roster bonus ($500,000).

Thus, Grant will earn $4.25 million this year. Over two years, his take will be $8 million.

Herman said that there are many layers of incentives and escalators that will compensate Grant handsomely if he produces the way he did last year when he rushed for 956 yards and eight touchdowns in 10 games.

If Grant rushes for 1,500 yards this year, he will earn another $4 million in 2009, Herman said. If he only rushes for 1,000 yards he would only earn an additional $1 million.

Herman said the base salaries in the contract were set but the incentives and escalators will determine Grant's income each year. He said based on the way Grant plays the next four years, he could earn $30 million or $24 million or $18 million.

He said the four-year deal will allow Grant, 25, to become an unrestricted free agent after the 2011 season.

One of the benefits for the Packers is that all of Grant's earning this year will count against the salary cap right away rather than carry into next season and beyond. The Packers are $30 million under the salary cap and so they have plenty of room to take on Grant's salaries.

Most teams would have made the $3 million roster bonus a signing bonus so that the cap charge could be pro-rated over four years. As a roster bonus, all of it counts this year.

Herman said the two sides spoke on Thursday, but there was no communication on Friday. Then Herman reached negotiator Russ Ball this morning and the two spoke for nearly six hours straight before finalizing the agreement around 6 p.m.

Herman said regardless of whether Grant makes it to the Pro Bowls four straight years or plays a significant amount of time, he's going to make good money on the deal. The Packers had submitted a one-year, $370,000 tender offer that secured their rights to the second-year running back, but Grant refused to sign.

Feeling his situation was unique -- he was on the Giants' practice squad in 2005 and sat out all of 2006 with a non-football releated hand injury -- Grant wanted a multi-year deal that would guarantee he would be compensated well if he played at the same level he did last year.

Grant was acquired for a sixth-round pick from the Giants shortly after he had been informed he had made the team and suddenly found himself in Green Bay the first week of the regular season. He was a backup behind Brandon Jackson and DeShawn Wynn until exploding for 104 yards in the Denver game.

He became the starter after that and rushed for 100 yards five more times, including his 201-yard playoff performance against the Seattle Seahawks. Only San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson had more rushing yards (947) over the season's final 10 weeks.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I like to see the incentives put in place like that. There's no reason why he doesn't have a big year running behind a good o line like Green Bay's.

 

[obxlegends]

Seems the answer is probably an incentive laden 4 year deal with a roster bonus going into that 4th year. This way it's a win-win for all involved.

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- The Green Bay Packers agreed to terms with running back Ryan Grant on Saturday, allowing one of last year's breakout stars to end his seven-day holdout and report to training camp as early as Sunday.Grant

Grant

Agent Alan Herman said Grant has agreed to a four-year deal that could be worth up to $30 million, with much of the money coming in performance-based escalators. Grant will make $4.25 million this season.

 

[Buckna]

The Packers started out offering only a $1.75 million signing bonus, but Herman was able to negotiate a deal that will pay Grant a $3 million roster bonus when he signs the contract and another $1.25 million through base salary ($750,000) and another roster bonus ($500,000).

LOL at all the people earlier this week jumping all over the Packers and Ted Thompson when Grant's agent said $1.75M was "insulting." No doubt the first extension offered was entirely performanced based as well. That way Grant gets compensated if he plays well and the Packers aren't on the hook if he is a one year wonder.Good job by the agent to play the media and the Brett Farve issues to squeeze a little more out of the negotiation. Business as usual.

 

[Donnybrook]

If Grant rushes for 1,500 yards this year, he will earn another $4 million in 2009, Herman said. If he only rushes for 1,000 yards he would only earn an additional $1 million.

So we can expect Grant's carries to drop significantly if the Packers are not in race for the playoffs.

 

[Irish]

The Packers started out offering only a $1.75 million signing bonus, but Herman was able to negotiate a deal that will pay Grant a $3 million roster bonus when he signs the contract and another $1.25 million through base salary ($750,000) and another roster bonus ($500,000).

LOL at all the people earlier this week jumping all over the Packers and Ted Thompson when Grant's agent said $1.75M was "insulting." No doubt the first extension offered was entirely performanced based as well. That way Grant gets compensated if he plays well and the Packers aren't on the hook if he is a one year wonder.Good job by the agent to play the media and the Brett Farve issues to squeeze a little more out of the negotiation. Business as usual.

He essentially got a $3.5 million signing bonus.