Tau837
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ETA: I suppose this means you choose not to respond to my last post directed to you. Probably a wise move on your part.
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Ryan Grant listed as OUT in NFL Injury report...BUT (1 Viewer)
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ETA: I suppose this means you choose not to respond to my last post directed to you. Probably a wise move on your part.
Tau837
Footballguy
You mean the contract that is basically a one year deal???Grant gets 4 mil guaranteed this year, after that if he doesn't gain 1500 yards he get 1 mill next year.His contract wasn't guaranteed for any real money, relative to the NFL.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
But the fact remains that BJ can't beat out an undrafted RB. That is a major red flag. He going down the same road of Lee Suggs and William Green.
Tau837
Footballguy
Yes, but I don't think Suggs or Green had perfect BMI.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
We have been over this 1000 times. GB knew BJax was a project and they have been investing heavily in him. Grant was in the league 2.5 years and did squat until last year. BJax was thrown in a complex offense as a rookie, got hurt and missed time, and struggled like most rookie RB's do. To be fair, we really need to give BJax another 1 1/2 years in the league before we can really compare him to Grant at this stage of Grant's career.Grant appears to be th better player than BJax right now...only time will tell how BJax will develop in the next year.Anyone who says either man is head and shoulders better than the other is delusional.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Yes, but I don't think Suggs or Green had perfect BMI. 
This was only funny and clever the first 2 times we heard it...now it's old.
This was only funny and clever the first 2 times we heard it...now it's old.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
No we don't. If he had the natural talent he would have started from day one. Some people believe that Adrian Peterson could have gone straight from high school to the NFL. In 2007, Brandon Jackson has the benefit of the entire training camp and Grant shows up for 4 weeks and passes him. You can wait until Grant is gone but don’t be surprise when the next running back the Packers draft usurps him as well.
sholditch
Footballguy
Packers running backs coach Edgar Bennett says Ryan Grant (hamstring) could handle a full, 25-to 30-carry load if called upon Monday.
It's good to know that Grant is healthy enough for a full load, but the Packers are unlikely to lean on him heavily in the opener. Throw in a banged up offensive line and a forbidding Vikes defense, and Grant is an iffy fantasy starter in Week 1.
Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette
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All indications are the Packers will monitor Grant throughout the game to determine how many carries he can handle.
If nothing else, he’ll be fresh.
"We know he’s going to run hard. He’s looked good in practice in terms of his reads and so forth. But I’m sure he’ll feel better probably, as much as we will, after he gets a couple licks.”
sounds like he'll see as many carries as he can handle. I wouldn't be surprised if he saw 20+.
It's good to know that Grant is healthy enough for a full load, but the Packers are unlikely to lean on him heavily in the opener. Throw in a banged up offensive line and a forbidding Vikes defense, and Grant is an iffy fantasy starter in Week 1.
Source: Green Bay Press-Gazette
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All indications are the Packers will monitor Grant throughout the game to determine how many carries he can handle.
If nothing else, he’ll be fresh.
"We know he’s going to run hard. He’s looked good in practice in terms of his reads and so forth. But I’m sure he’ll feel better probably, as much as we will, after he gets a couple licks.”
sounds like he'll see as many carries as he can handle. I wouldn't be surprised if he saw 20+.
Tau837
Footballguy
I couldn't disagree more. In the same offense with the same teammates last season, Grant dominated and Jackson played poorly. This despite the fact that Jackson had much more time to learn that offense than Grant did.It appears you are saying we need to give Jackson another 1.5 years before we can fairly compare him to Grant because Grant has been in the league longer. Grant was signed by the Giants as an undrafted free agent and spent the 2005 season on their practice squad. He missed the entire 2006 season with a non football injury. I'm not seeing any basis for an unfair comparison there.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
2 years of NFL experience -vs- none
GB line was struggling in the first part of the year-vs-improvement throughout the year. Grant outplayed a raw, injured, rookie.
BJax had more camp, but suffered a serious shin injury that sidelined him.-vs- Grant was healthy.
Are you saying that Grant's experience (2 years + one NFL training camp + 4 Weeks of a 2nd)= BJax experience (one extra month of training camp)? Again, GB knew BJax was RAW, of course he was going to struggle. Do you really consider an extra month of camp as a rookie "much more" time to learn the offense? Grant had 4 weeks to come in and learn...WEEKS not DAYS, not that significant. Was BJax supposed to learn in an extra month the nuances of the NFL game and go speeding past Grant in experience?
Is Grant better than BJax in many phases of the game right now. YES. Is BJax destined to be a flop in the NFL after starting 2 games as a rookie (against Philly, Giants, and SD no less), getting hurt, and losing his starting gig? I would say of course not...to to each his own.
I do think we will see GB getting BJax more and more involved in the offense as he learns and improves on his pass protection. I bet Grant gets 70% and we'll see BJax around 30% of the carries going forward. If GB can keep these guys healthy their running game could be solid for years to come.
GB line was struggling in the first part of the year-vs-improvement throughout the year. Grant outplayed a raw, injured, rookie.
BJax had more camp, but suffered a serious shin injury that sidelined him.-vs- Grant was healthy.
Are you saying that Grant's experience (2 years + one NFL training camp + 4 Weeks of a 2nd)= BJax experience (one extra month of training camp)? Again, GB knew BJax was RAW, of course he was going to struggle. Do you really consider an extra month of camp as a rookie "much more" time to learn the offense? Grant had 4 weeks to come in and learn...WEEKS not DAYS, not that significant. Was BJax supposed to learn in an extra month the nuances of the NFL game and go speeding past Grant in experience?
Is Grant better than BJax in many phases of the game right now. YES. Is BJax destined to be a flop in the NFL after starting 2 games as a rookie (against Philly, Giants, and SD no less), getting hurt, and losing his starting gig? I would say of course not...to to each his own.
I do think we will see GB getting BJax more and more involved in the offense as he learns and improves on his pass protection. I bet Grant gets 70% and we'll see BJax around 30% of the carries going forward. If GB can keep these guys healthy their running game could be solid for years to come.
mozzy84
Footballguy
GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -Packers running back Ryan Grant and defensive end Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila missed practice Friday as a precaution heading into Monday night's opener against Minnesota.
Grant has been dealing with an ailing hamstring, while Gbaja-Biamila has been recovering from right knee surgery. Both players fully participated in practice on Thursday.
Grant has been dealing with an ailing hamstring, while Gbaja-Biamila has been recovering from right knee surgery. Both players fully participated in practice on Thursday.
Ouch, looks like Grant might have aggravated his hammy on thurs.Looks like BJ might be a shark play this week.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Peterson has immense talent, you can't fairly compare anyone to him as he is a once in a decade type freak talent. As for those that think Peterson could have gone from HS to the NFL...who cares, he didn't. Brandon Jackson was a Raw rookie with a month head start in training camp (if you want to discount all Grants previous NFL experience) that was thrown into the starting gig behind an offensive line struggling to gel. His first three games were against Philly,Giants, and Minny...three VERY good D's and then he got hurt and was out the equivalent of 5 weeks before he could return to the playing field.
Obviously everyone misjudged Grant's skills until the Giants signed him and TRADED him. GB didn't exactly sign Grant off his couch, they knew he had the talent to make an NFL roster.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
No. I'm saying that Grant's experience and BJax's experience is irrelevant. Even Vince Lombardi will tell you that the power sweep is one of the most basic plays in football. What is so complicated about this offense that it requires 2.5 years of experience before Jackson gets it? The answer is that experience is not that important otherwise Selvin Young would never be able to replace Travis Henry in Denver. What is more important is the ability of the individual running back and Grant simply runs harder and is more elusive than Jackson.
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BigJim®
Footballguy
I don't see this being translated from the artical, at all. It says they participated fully one day and were held out the next "as a precaution." How could that be read to mean he aggravated the injury? You're trying awfully hard here.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
I just have a hard time brushing aside inexperience (2 less years in the league), immaturity (Grant is 3 years older), 3 years of physical growth, and a significant injury. Jackson was the starting RB, he beat Grant out and lost his role due to injury at first and secondly due to being outplayed. Nobody in their right mind would have benched Grant the way he was playing last year. I'm not sold that Grant runs harder and is more elusive...he certainly was when BJax was hurt. Obviously Grant is the better blocker at this point as well so that gives him another leg up along with a good 8 week track record.
Cass Durham
Footballguy
Let me get this straight.
Grant practiced for the first time this week on Thursday.
Grant was held out Friday as a precaution.
So does this mean Grant will probably play Monday?
Grant practiced for the first time this week on Thursday.
Grant was held out Friday as a precaution.
So does this mean Grant will probably play Monday?
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Why anyone would reach on Grant before the 3rd round is beyond me. Personally, I wouldn't touch him before the 4th.In my 16 team draft last Sunday, guy behind me in the 10 hole took him in the 1st round over LJ, Moss, Lynch, and Romo. Just ridiculous.
mozzy84
Footballguy
I would think tomorrows practice is the important one
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I also love the argument that Grant supporters always throw out there that "if BJax was any good, he would perform well right away; he shouldn%t need any time to develop." Because Grant didn%t need any time to develop either -- he was blowing up his 1st 2 years in the league with the Giants averaging 5 ypc, right? Hillarious.
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Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Yea, for teams playing Monday night games, Saturday practice = Friday practice for everyone else.
Tau837
Footballguy
So you characterize a year on an NFL practice squad as a year of NFL experience? And you characterize a year on IR as a year of NFL experience?
Based on what? It seems very possible that the improvement later in the year was based on better RB play from Grant as much as better play from the line itself.
So Grant wasn't raw at that point? As an undrafted player who made the practice squad one year and then missed a season due to injury, how much quality preparation and experience did he really get before last year?And Jackson wasn't injured when he played terribly as the starter in the first two games last year.
Grant was acquired by the Packers on September 1 last year. Their first game was September 9, so he had zero training camp and preseason preparation for the Green Bay offense. From the time he arrived, they were always preparing for games. He was initially behind both Jackson and Wynn, so exactly how many reps do you think he got in practice those first few weeks?And before he was traded, he was behind Jacobs, Bradshaw, Ward, and Droughns. So, again, his reps were likely limited. Meanwhile, Jackson was prepared in training camp and preseason to become the starting RB. You act like the difference is insignificant. It's not.
I haven't said Jackson will flop, although that is more likely at this point than it is that he will ever be a feature RB in the NFL.
No way Jackson gets 30% of Green Bay's RB carries this year, unless Grant misses time due to injury or the Packers run the ball much more than last year.
Tau837
Footballguy
Jackson never beat Grant out. The Packers didn't have Grant until they were preparing for their first regular season opponent.
Grant has more than an 8 week track record - he was the primary RB for 12 weeks, including postseason. And he was more than good during that stretch, he was dominant.
Tau837
Footballguy
I agree it is reasonable to think Jackson can perform better over time. That's not the problem... the problem is that he's behind a better RB who is young and appears to have a long future ahead of him.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Grant also practiced last week, and played in the final preseason game against Tennessee (but did not have a carry).
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Holy hell, but I hope Jackson doesn't get the start against the Vikes. I'm convinced that if the kid's really bulked up to 220 he can play, but no one's going to look good against the Vikes' run D this year.
JWB has it right... Jackson's going to get better (and I think a lot better), but he's behind a legit #1 NFL RB.
On the other hand... the people citing Grant's contract are delusional. Almost none of that money is guaranteed.
JWB has it right... Jackson's going to get better (and I think a lot better), but he's behind a legit #1 NFL RB.
On the other hand... the people citing Grant's contract are delusional. Almost none of that money is guaranteed.
From the MFL site: Pete Dougherty, of the Green Bay Press-Gazette, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant (hamstring) is listed as probable for Week 1 and is expected to start. The Packers were resting him Friday, Sept. 5, because they are practicing Saturday, Sept. 6.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
cmv5
Footballguy
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=780272Regarding Ryan Grant
Regarding Brandon Jackson
I don%t consider $4.25 million guaranteed almost no money. Plus his contract without incentives is worth $20 million over 4 years.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Gotta be honest - that's just not what I remembered. Thought the incentives were a much bigger piece of the contract.
NYCGangGreen
Footballguy
So plain and simple....who is rolling with Grant this week?? 
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
That would be me.It's like the fantasy football community has collective amnesia over what Ryan Grant looked like last year.This guy SMOKED the Vikings run defense for GAWD's sake!Hello!So plain and simple....who is rolling with Grant this week??
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
People are really downplaying Ryan Grant. I picked him up EARLY last year, because you could tell he had something special about him. The Packers were celebrating when they got him from the Giants. Ryan Grant didn't only outplay BJ last year... he damn near out played every running back in the league over the second half of the season. Ryan Grant is a BEAST.
BTW... I don't have him this year. Wish I did.
BTW... I don't have him this year. Wish I did.
I most likely will be. Deciding on two of Ryan Grant, LenDale and Chris Johnson. Still mulling this over, but I'm likely going with Grant for sure despite the tough draw against MIN. Opening day at Lambeau - he can't be left on the bench.So plain and simple....who is rolling with Grant this week??
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gman74
Footballguy
Well I am pretty sure you don't want to run 2 backs on 1 team so it is not really that hard of a decision is it.I most likely will be. Deciding on two of Ryan Grant, LenDale and Chris Johnson. Still mulling this over, but I'm likely going with Grant for sure despite the tough draw against MIN. Opening day at Lambeau - he can't be left on the bench.So plain and simple....who is rolling with Grant this week??
If there's a team to have two backs start it's the Titans. But against Jacksonville, even if it is a home game, is still not the greatest move. Then there's the choice of which Titans RB to go with. Add in an iffy Grant against the #1 run defense... I'm not making this a WDIS post, just calling you out letting you know its not as easy a decision as you think.Well I am pretty sure you don't want to run 2 backs on 1 team so it is not really that hard of a decision is it.I most likely will be. Deciding on two of Ryan Grant, LenDale and Chris Johnson. Still mulling this over, but I'm likely going with Grant for sure despite the tough draw against MIN. Opening day at Lambeau - he can't be left on the bench.So plain and simple....who is rolling with Grant this week??
Anyhow, this tangent has gone on long enough. Back to Grant - last year at home vs. MIN he had 25 car for 119 yards and a TD, plus 5 receptions in a 34-0 victory. This is proof that he has been successful against the Vikes before. That at least helps some when trying to gauge how he'll do. On Monday night last year at Denver: 22 car for 104 yds
pollardsvision
Footballguy
i'm still debating between him and chris perry. if he practices tomorrow and it goes well, it'll probably be grant. if i sense any doubt at all that grant won't be able to handle a semi-full load, i won't take the risk.So plain and simple....who is rolling with Grant this week??
skillz
Footballguy
I am pretty much in the same boat. I am going to have to go with Grant if he practices on Sat. I have the pleasure of also have Lewis on my roster so I will probably bench him and then try to choose between Lendale and Chris Johnson. If I had more options I would more strongly consider benching Grant this week given the uncertainty over his injury and fact that he is playing Minn D but unfortunately I don't due to Lewis' injury.I most likely will be. Deciding on two of Ryan Grant, LenDale and Chris Johnson. Still mulling this over, but I'm likely going with Grant for sure despite the tough draw against MIN. Opening day at Lambeau - he can't be left on the bench.So plain and simple....who is rolling with Grant this week??
Last year I was one of the people who drafted Brandon Jackson early in my dynasty league. However, once it became clear that he was struggling with his blocking assignments I made sure I picked up Wynn and Grant to cover my bases.
Jackson's improvement from last year to today is evident in his preseason play and his demeanor in interviews (I live in Wisconsin so see about 10 minutes of Packers' news each evening.) His increased confidence in his abilities is clear. He's excited to prove himself in the limited amount of snaps he gets. He's getting better at pass blocking, but that is still his weak spot. If Grant went down with an injury Jackson would be able to handle the job effectively and be a solid RB2 for any type of league. Hopefully though Grant will stay healthy and both backs will make a formidable 1-2 punch against opponents. We'll see.
Also, once again the line is struggling a bit as it's normal for offenses to catch up with defenses early in the season. It will definitely be interesting to see how well either back does vs Minnesota Monday night.
Last thing, EBF knows his stuff. He's had many more hits than misses, but he definitely has my attention when he posts on the board.
Jackson's improvement from last year to today is evident in his preseason play and his demeanor in interviews (I live in Wisconsin so see about 10 minutes of Packers' news each evening.) His increased confidence in his abilities is clear. He's excited to prove himself in the limited amount of snaps he gets. He's getting better at pass blocking, but that is still his weak spot. If Grant went down with an injury Jackson would be able to handle the job effectively and be a solid RB2 for any type of league. Hopefully though Grant will stay healthy and both backs will make a formidable 1-2 punch against opponents. We'll see.
Also, once again the line is struggling a bit as it's normal for offenses to catch up with defenses early in the season. It will definitely be interesting to see how well either back does vs Minnesota Monday night.
Last thing, EBF knows his stuff. He's had many more hits than misses, but he definitely has my attention when he posts on the board.
