Ryan Grant (1 Viewer)

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

This is the player that I can not put my finger on. He started 10 games last year and finished as a top 12 back in most leagues or higher, but he did have a hall of fame QB. Some quick stats:

188 Carries for 956 Yards (5.1 average)

30 Receptions

8 TDs

11 carries over 20 Yards

4 TDs over 20 Yards

So how will Grant do with Rogers and a much more balanced offense?

 

[Bizkiteer]

This is the player that I can not put my finger on. He started 10 games last year and finished as a top 12 back in most leagues or higher, but he did have a hall of fame QB. Some quick stats:188 Carries for 956 Yards (5.1 average)30 Receptions8 TDs11 carries over 20 Yards4 TDs over 20 YardsSo how will Grant do with Rogers and a much more balanced offense?

Two things that you know that happen:1) Teams run the ball more when the weather gets cold2) It will get cold at Lambeau FieldGB has ample talent at the skill positions to make other teams play honest against them. I can see similar stats as the coaching staff appears to have gret confidence in him...just see hwo they stuck with him during the horrible start he had in the playoffs. That was telling that they think he's their man.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I play in a limited keeper league, and he's a guy that I have my sites on that I'm hoping will drop to me. The only thing that could keep that from happening is the one GB fan in our league and he drafts two spots ahead of me....

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Keep an eye on whether he shows up for OTAs and mini camp. Word is, he is not happy with his contract. He says he won't hold out, but you gotta believe the guy wants to strike while the iron is hot.

 

[fatkid]

Another concern I have with Grant involved DeShawn Wynn. Before he got hurt, he was the goal-line back in Green Bay. And at 5-11, 235 he is sized appropriately to be a Vulture. We have to wait and see how they are used in the Pre-season games, but if I had a draft now, I would be concerned about a lack of Touchdowns from Grant. This combined with Rodgers instead of Favre makes me really leary of Grant

 

[Phurfur]

This is the player that I can not put my finger on. He started 10 games last year and finished as a top 12 back in most leagues or higher, but he did have a hall of fame QB. Some quick stats:

188 Carries for 956 Yards (5.1 average)

30 Receptions

8 TDs

11 carries over 20 Yards

4 TDs over 20 Yards

So how will Grant do with Rogers and a much more balanced offense?

GB had one of the worst running games in the league before Grant started. I think allot of people are selling Grant short.

 

[The Moz]

GB has really solid WR's in Driver , Jennings , Jones and a nice TE in Lee.. I think there offens eis fine and expect a nice season for Grant. Only thing is B. Jackson when given a chance looked pretty good too so maybe he gets a chunck of the snaps as he was a 2nd round pick.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Another concern I have with Grant involved DeShawn Wynn. Before he got hurt, he was the goal-line back in Green Bay. And at 5-11, 235 he is sized appropriately to be a Vulture. We have to wait and see how they are used in the Pre-season games, but if I had a draft now, I would be concerned about a lack of Touchdowns from Grant. This combined with Rodgers instead of Favre makes me really leary of Grant

Well, I have a totally different view on Wynn. I don't believe Wynn would've even made the team if not for some injuries to start the year. Wynn is always overweight, and get weaker as the game goes on. I honestly do not believe he'll contribute anything meaningful to the team this year.And Grant is like 225, he's got plenty there for goal-line duty.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

How effective do you guys think Rogers will be vs Favre ? I am starting to feel that Rogers actually might be a bit better of a fit for the offense and I cant imagine him throwing more INT's then Favre. Is Grant good enough to have the offense focus on him and not Rogers?

 

[blend]

Seems that we should be less weary of Wynn and more of B. Jackson. I think the Packers will give him every opportunity to succeed and I see a movement toward a more traditional RBBC as the season wears on.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

How effective do you guys think Rogers will be vs Favre ? I am starting to feel that Rogers actually might be a bit better of a fit for the offense and I cant imagine him throwing more INT's then Favre. Is Grant good enough to have the offense focus on him and not Rogers?

No, Grant is not that good. Then again, that's not what this offense does. It's a true, classic west coast. Use the pass early and often to setup the running game later. I don't think the philosophy is going to change with that. Plus, this is a zone blocking scheme. Grant is a very good fit for this scheme. He doesn't have much shake, but he has great instincts and is very, very decisive with his cuts. The only plus I give Rodgers over Favre on is mobility. I think you'll see Green Bay move the pocket much more this year, as Rodgers has shown he is more mobile than most expected.As long as Rodgers plays within the offense, he'll be fine.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Well I didnt see anything from the Packers last year that would make me think it was a "west coast" offense. They may have intended for it to be that way, but with Favre it sure didnt seem like it. I did not watch every Packers game so I can not give a good opinion on how the team looked when it stayed within the scheme.

So Yellow you think the Packers are really gonna try to ride the AR express and not become a more balanced team?

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

Name one skill position player that had a better career after he left Brett Favre, than one when he played Brett Favre.

The entire offense will hurt this next season as Rodgers struggles.

 

[Jedimaster21]

I am definitely very skeptical about this player. Brandon Jackson was a second round pick last year, and even though he was extremely bad at the start of the season, he will most likely get another chance to prove something. Wynn is also lurking, and showed some promise last year. So short term, he may have some slight competition. Now throw in a little Favre retiring, and the fact that none of the backs are difference makers, and it makes Grant's long term situation very questionable. Basically...not a terrible play in redrafts but will go way before I would draft him. In dynasty formats, sell, sell, sell and don't draft at his current value.

 

[EBF]

I am definitely very skeptical about this player. Brandon Jackson was a second round pick last year, and even though he was extremely bad at the start of the season, he will most likely get another chance to prove something. Wynn is also lurking, and showed some promise last year. So short term, he may have some slight competition. Now throw in a little Favre retiring, and the fact that none of the backs are difference makers, and it makes Grant's long term situation very questionable. Basically...not a terrible play in redrafts but will go way before I would draft him. In dynasty formats, sell, sell, sell and don't draft at his current value.

I mostly agree with this. Grant scares me in the top 25 of a dynasty league because you don't really know what you're getting with him. I need to see another productive season before I buy into the idea of him as a legit franchise RB talent. In a redraft I could stomach him as a RB2.The guy who offers interesting value in dynasty leagues is Brandon Jackson. I wasn't a big fan of his entering the league, but he has a second round pedigree to go along with featured back size and combine numbers. He's a decent late round RB gamble.

 

[5Rings]

This is the player that I can not put my finger on. He started 10 games last year and finished as a top 12 back in most leagues or higher, but he did have a hall of fame QB. Some quick stats:

188 Carries for 956 Yards (5.1 average)

30 Receptions

8 TDs

11 carries over 20 Yards

4 TDs over 20 Yards

So how will Grant do with Rogers and a much more balanced offense?

Two things that you know that happen:1) Teams run the ball more when the weather gets cold

2) It will get cold at Lambeau Field

GB has ample talent at the skill positions to make other teams play honest against them. I can see similar stats as the coaching staff appears to have gret confidence in him...just see hwo they stuck with him during the horrible start he had in the playoffs. That was telling that they think he's their man.

I disagree with that assumption. IMO, teams are going to force Rodgers to beat them, and Grant will struggle this year. Favre and the 3 WR sets led to 7 in the box for Grant, and he won't see that with Rogers at the helm this year.Depending on the value you can get for him, I think Grant is a "sell high" candidate.

 

[Team Legacy]

but at 3.10... Ryan Grant is an aboslute STEAL i tell ya!!

 

[Pipes]

Name one skill position player that had a better career after he left Brett Favre, than one when he played Brett Favre.The entire offense will hurt this next season as Rodgers struggles.

How can you say this? Green Bay has a ton of talent on their offense and sure they may not be as potent as last years team I still think their offensive will be in the top half on the league.As far as the original question goes I think Jackson could steal some carries from Grant it won't be enough to keep Grant from being a top 10 RB. I'd feel confident with Grant in the late 1st/early 2nd round.

 

[EBF]

but at 3.10... Ryan Grant is an aboslute STEAL i tell ya!!

 

[Pipes]

This is the player that I can not put my finger on. He started 10 games last year and finished as a top 12 back in most leagues or higher, but he did have a hall of fame QB. Some quick stats:

188 Carries for 956 Yards (5.1 average)

30 Receptions

8 TDs

11 carries over 20 Yards

4 TDs over 20 Yards

So how will Grant do with Rogers and a much more balanced offense?

Two things that you know that happen:1) Teams run the ball more when the weather gets cold

2) It will get cold at Lambeau Field

GB has ample talent at the skill positions to make other teams play honest against them. I can see similar stats as the coaching staff appears to have gret confidence in him...just see hwo they stuck with him during the horrible start he had in the playoffs. That was telling that they think he's their man.

I disagree with that assumption. IMO, teams are going to force Rodgers to beat them, and Grant will struggle this year. Favre and the 3 WR sets led to 7 in the box for Grant, and he won't see that with Rogers at the helm this year.Depending on the value you can get for him, I think Grant is a "sell high" candidate.

Green Bay isn't going to stop using the 3 or 4 WR sets because Favre retired. Yeah Rodgers is going to have to prove himself but with all their weapons this offense will be fine. The overall numbers may dip from last year but when you factor in Grant only started half the season his numbers will equal and should exceed last years.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

Name one skill position player that had a better career after he left Brett Favre, than one when he played Brett Favre.The entire offense will hurt this next season as Rodgers struggles.

How can you say this? Green Bay has a ton of talent on their offense and sure they may not be as potent as last years team I still think their offensive will be in the top half on the league.As far as the original question goes I think Jackson could steal some carries from Grant it won't be enough to keep Grant from being a top 10 RB. I'd feel confident with Grant in the late 1st/early 2nd round.

How can I say this? B/c its true. Brett Favre is great...may be the greatest of all time. He made everyone on that offense look better every season. He made Freeman and Schroeder look like competent WR's. Tauscher and Clifton he made them look like pro bowlers b/c of his quick release and awareness in the pocket. Dorsey Levens, Edgar Bennett, Ryan Grant....they are all the same guy. The only talented runner the Packers had was Ahman Green...he was a legit talent. He made Robert Brooks and Donald Driver look like true #1 Wr's when they weren't.Favre was amazing...but Rodgers will not be even close to as good as Favre. So the supporting cast will go downhill, the offensive line will have to protect longer, and the running game will suffer.

 

[gianmarco]

I'm definitely a fan of Ryan Grant's and really liked what I saw last year. Yes, he has to prove a bit more, but once he does it again this year, the cat is out of the bag. Considering he is falling outside of the top 10 picks, I think he still presents very good value with top 5 upside. He simply came in and put up GREAT #'s on a team that could not run the ball AT ALL before he took over and put up #'s week in and week out. There was nothing shaky about his performances, he just flat out produced (and against pretty good defenses too).

The fact that they kept giving him the ball in a playoff game after 2 early fumbles and he showed up with a 200 yd game tells me all I need to know about the confidence the Green Bay coaching staff has in him. It is definitely his job to lose and I don't see him losing it.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Well I didnt see anything from the Packers last year that would make me think it was a "west coast" offense. They may have intended for it to be that way, but with Favre it sure didnt seem like it. I did not watch every Packers game so I can not give a good opinion on how the team looked when it stayed within the scheme. So Yellow you think the Packers are really gonna try to ride the AR express and not become a more balanced team?

Below is a Wiki entry on the Walsh West Coast. This is exactly what they did all season. Jennings and Driver do very well after the catch. And after establishing the short/medium passing game, they then took shots down field and ran the ball more. Now I will admit that early on, they passed WAY more than they ran. But they became more balanced as Grant came around. Regardless, the scheme remains focused on the passing game.As for your second question, yes. Rodgers can run this offense, I don't doubt it. You'll probably see less five wides early like you did last year, but the basics of the offense really won't change. This receiving group is young and talented, and geared directly to running the west coast. -----"Bill Walsh's West Coast Offense, however, differs from traditional offense by instead emphasizing a short, horizontal passing attack to help stretch the defense out, thus opening up running lanes. The West Coast Offense as implemented under Walsh features precisely-run pass patterns by the receivers that make up about 65% to 80% of the offensive scheme. With the defense stretched out, the offense is then free to focus the remaining plays on longer throws (more than 14 yards) and mid to long yard rushes."

 

[Team Legacy]

but at 3.10... Ryan Grant is an aboslute STEAL i tell ya!!

FYI: I too would have taken Boldin at 3.7.

 

[5Rings]

This is the player that I can not put my finger on. He started 10 games last year and finished as a top 12 back in most leagues or higher, but he did have a hall of fame QB. Some quick stats:

188 Carries for 956 Yards (5.1 average)

30 Receptions

8 TDs

11 carries over 20 Yards

4 TDs over 20 Yards

So how will Grant do with Rogers and a much more balanced offense?

Two things that you know that happen:1) Teams run the ball more when the weather gets cold

2) It will get cold at Lambeau Field

GB has ample talent at the skill positions to make other teams play honest against them. I can see similar stats as the coaching staff appears to have gret confidence in him...just see hwo they stuck with him during the horrible start he had in the playoffs. That was telling that they think he's their man.

I disagree with that assumption. IMO, teams are going to force Rodgers to beat them, and Grant will struggle this year. Favre and the 3 WR sets led to 7 in the box for Grant, and he won't see that with Rogers at the helm this year.Depending on the value you can get for him, I think Grant is a "sell high" candidate.

Green Bay isn't going to stop using the 3 or 4 WR sets because Favre retired. Yeah Rodgers is going to have to prove himself but with all their weapons this offense will be fine. The overall numbers may dip from last year but when you factor in Grant only started half the season his numbers will equal and should exceed last years.

Fair enough. I just don't think opposing D's will respect Rodgers enough to leave 7 in the box and allow Grant to run at 5ypc again next season. We shall see how it goes.

 

[EBF]

but at 3.10... Ryan Grant is an aboslute STEAL i tell ya!!

FYI: I too would have taken Boldin at 3.7.

I <3 Boldin.

 

[Banger]

How effective do you guys think Rogers will be vs Favre ? I am starting to feel that Rogers actually might be a bit better of a fit for the offense and I cant imagine him throwing more INT's then Favre. Is Grant good enough to have the offense focus on him and not Rogers?

I disagree bigtime about Rodgers being a better fit than Favre. I think a lot of people have underestimated Favre for a long time and will get a dose of reality even though the Pack have a solid team. He'll get sacked probably twice as much as Favre and the defenses won't fear the deep ball like they did with Favre which will effect the running game and short passing game. Grant was as good as he was in large part due to Favre and his abilities and I like Grant a lot (and own Grant).

 

[Pipes]

Name one skill position player that had a better career after he left Brett Favre, than one when he played Brett Favre.The entire offense will hurt this next season as Rodgers struggles.

How can you say this? Green Bay has a ton of talent on their offense and sure they may not be as potent as last years team I still think their offensive will be in the top half on the league.As far as the original question goes I think Jackson could steal some carries from Grant it won't be enough to keep Grant from being a top 10 RB. I'd feel confident with Grant in the late 1st/early 2nd round.

How can I say this? B/c its true. Brett Favre is great...may be the greatest of all time. He made everyone on that offense look better every season. He made Freeman and Schroeder look like competent WR's. Tauscher and Clifton he made them look like pro bowlers b/c of his quick release and awareness in the pocket. Dorsey Levens, Edgar Bennett, Ryan Grant....they are all the same guy. The only talented runner the Packers had was Ahman Green...he was a legit talent. He made Robert Brooks and Donald Driver look like true #1 Wr's when they weren't.Favre was amazing...but Rodgers will not be even close to as good as Favre. So the supporting cast will go downhill, the offensive line will have to protect longer, and the running game will suffer.

I just don't think Rodgers has to be as good as Favre for the Packers to have a very good offense next year. You're acting like Favre was the entire offense last year and while he had a great season last year he had plenty of help from a good receiving corp and a good young RB. The same group that is going to help Rodgers step in for Brett. Will Rodgers be as good as Favre?...of course not but how do we know that Rodgers isn't going to be a good to very good QB? I guess I'm not going to write off guys until Rodgers proves he doesn't belong.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

Name one skill position player that had a better career after he left Brett Favre, than one when he played Brett Favre.The entire offense will hurt this next season as Rodgers struggles.

How can you say this? Green Bay has a ton of talent on their offense and sure they may not be as potent as last years team I still think their offensive will be in the top half on the league.As far as the original question goes I think Jackson could steal some carries from Grant it won't be enough to keep Grant from being a top 10 RB. I'd feel confident with Grant in the late 1st/early 2nd round.

How can I say this? B/c its true. Brett Favre is great...may be the greatest of all time. He made everyone on that offense look better every season. He made Freeman and Schroeder look like competent WR's. Tauscher and Clifton he made them look like pro bowlers b/c of his quick release and awareness in the pocket. Dorsey Levens, Edgar Bennett, Ryan Grant....they are all the same guy. The only talented runner the Packers had was Ahman Green...he was a legit talent. He made Robert Brooks and Donald Driver look like true #1 Wr's when they weren't.Favre was amazing...but Rodgers will not be even close to as good as Favre. So the supporting cast will go downhill, the offensive line will have to protect longer, and the running game will suffer.

I just don't think Rodgers has to be as good as Favre for the Packers to have a very good offense next year. You're acting like Favre was the entire offense last year and while he had a great season last year he had plenty of help from a good receiving corp and a good young RB. The same group that is going to help Rodgers step in for Brett. Will Rodgers be as good as Favre?...of course not but how do we know that Rodgers isn't going to be a good to very good QB? I guess I'm not going to write off guys until Rodgers proves he doesn't belong.

I do understand your point. But the pressure on Rodgers to just step in and be a notch below Favre is unrealistic. I am a very big fan of Greg Jennings and Brandon Jackson coming out of the draft. But Favre makes everybody seem better than they really are. My point was after a player leaves the Packers in Free Agency, he isn't even close to the same player as he was in GB.If Rodgers struggles, I could see a QB controversy for them to try out Brohm.What was Ryan Grant before Brett Favre? He was nothing. He wasn't a good player at ND and wasn't in his short career before GB. This shows me that Favre had a great effect on his production. I see him as Dorsey Levens.

 

[Jedimaster21]

I really think we need to let this guy perform for a whole season before we start talking about him in the first and second round. Even if the offense stayed exactly the way it was, there was no way he would continue the pace he was on considering his lack of elite physical tools. I would warn you that this situation is similar to Kevin Jones, Julius Jones, Lee Suggs, Ron Dayne, Cedric Benson, Michael Bennett, and Kevan Barlow. How about Gary Brown about 15 years ago. I know all the situations differ, and many variables factor in to all of these situations. However, you really need to be careful about picking a player that doesn't have a desirable pedigree, who floated around and wasn't even drafted, and produced for only half a season in one of the best offenses in the league. Taking him in the first round and considering him a top 5 player is crazy talk. Take someone more proven and more talented, and pay the current price next year if he continues to produce.

 

[jaybebo]

I play in a limited keeper league, and he's a guy that I have my sites on that I'm hoping will drop to me. The only thing that could keep that from happening is the one GB fan in our league and he drafts two spots ahead of me....

He won't make it to you. Trade up now.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

If Grant was only good because of Favre, how bad would the RBs starting in the first half of the season have been without Favre? Would they have run backwards?

Give Grant SOME credit.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

If Grant was only good because of Favre, how bad would the RBs starting in the first half of the season have been without Favre? Would they have run backwards?Give Grant SOME credit.

Some not ALL is the key point here.

 

[gianmarco]

I really think we need to let this guy perform for a whole season before we start talking about him in the first and second round. Even if the offense stayed exactly the way it was, there was no way he would continue the pace he was on considering his lack of elite physical tools. I would warn you that this situation is similar to Kevin Jones, Julius Jones, Lee Suggs, Ron Dayne, Cedric Benson, Michael Bennett, and Kevan Barlow. How about Gary Brown about 15 years ago. I know all the situations differ, and many variables factor in to all of these situations. However, you really need to be careful about picking a player that doesn't have a desirable pedigree, who floated around and wasn't even drafted, and produced for only half a season in one of the best offenses in the league. Taking him in the first round and considering him a top 5 player is crazy talk. Take someone more proven and more talented, and pay the current price next year if he continues to produce.

While there is a list of guys like that, there are some that perform over the short-term and then keep it up. I would argue that Grant "looked" better than that entire list with the exception of KJ and MAYBE J. Jones (I was never impressed, but I know some were). Grant is built like an NFL RB, runs like an NFL RB, and produced like an elite guy. I'm not going gaga over E. Graham or even J. Fargas because those guys put up nice stats, but didn't really impress me. Grant looked fantastic, IMO. I may be wrong, but I'll go with that and take a gamble when I feel that way.

 

[moderated]

Some tidbits on the GB RB's.

Disclaimer: my brother is neighbors with someone very high up in the Packers org. He doesn't ask nor is given any mind blowing inside information, but here is what he said regarding some of the RB's in general talks with the guy.

- Deshawn Wynn - was put on IR last season to send a message to him. Injury was not severe and it could have been a 3-4 week thing but coaches were miffed with him for constantly leaving games and practices with minor injuries. (my take: wouldn't be surprised to see him cut if he doesn't shape up).

- Brandon Jackson - The coaching staff loves what he brings to the table and one line he was told stuck out to me, "We should have a good one-two punch with Brandon and Ryan". Seems they expect Jackson to have a much bigger role this season.

- Ryan Grant - Definitely the starter, but the Brandon Jackson stuff definitely makes me feel the job is going to be much more of a split then a feature type running game in GB.

Again, nothing specific, but this is just a summary of what my brother told me what he got from their talks over dinner/drinks throughout the summer.

My general feeling is that Ryan Grant is going to be over-valued in drafts (especially dynasty) and that Brandon Jackson is a solid late round pick.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Some tidbits on the GB RB's.Disclaimer: my brother is neighbors with someone very high up in the Packers org. He doesn't ask nor is given any mind blowing inside information, but here is what he said regarding some of the RB's in general talks with the guy.- Deshawn Wynn - was put on IR last season to send a message to him. Injury was not severe and it could have been a 3-4 week thing but coaches were miffed with him for constantly leaving games and practices with minor injuries. (my take: wouldn't be surprised to see him cut if he doesn't shape up).- Brandon Jackson - The coaching staff loves what he brings to the table and one line he was told stuck out to me, "We should have a good one-two punch with Brandon and Ryan". Seems they expect Jackson to have a much bigger role this season.- Ryan Grant - Definitely the starter, but the Brandon Jackson stuff definitely makes me feel the job is going to be much more of a split then a feature type running game in GB.Again, nothing specific, but this is just a summary of what my brother told me what he got from their talks over dinner/drinks throughout the summer.My general feeling is that Ryan Grant is going to be over-valued in drafts (especially dynasty) and that Brandon Jackson is a solid late round pick.

I think anyone that has watched can see this coming. Jackson will play, the question is how much? Personally, I don't think the guy proved last year that he could hit the hole without dancing. That is not acceptable in this scheme. But Jackson does bring good hands and great athletic ability. In that respect, I think he's more talented than Grant.Bottom line for me. When given the chance, Jackson was nothing short of below average last season. In the same scheme with the same players around him, Grant looked infinitely better.I'm witholding judgement on Jackson, because I believe he can improve. But I believe it will take a monumental effort to unseat Grant after his performance last year.

 

[moderated]

Some tidbits on the GB RB's.Disclaimer: my brother is neighbors with someone very high up in the Packers org. He doesn't ask nor is given any mind blowing inside information, but here is what he said regarding some of the RB's in general talks with the guy.- Deshawn Wynn - was put on IR last season to send a message to him. Injury was not severe and it could have been a 3-4 week thing but coaches were miffed with him for constantly leaving games and practices with minor injuries. (my take: wouldn't be surprised to see him cut if he doesn't shape up).- Brandon Jackson - The coaching staff loves what he brings to the table and one line he was told stuck out to me, "We should have a good one-two punch with Brandon and Ryan". Seems they expect Jackson to have a much bigger role this season.- Ryan Grant - Definitely the starter, but the Brandon Jackson stuff definitely makes me feel the job is going to be much more of a split then a feature type running game in GB.Again, nothing specific, but this is just a summary of what my brother told me what he got from their talks over dinner/drinks throughout the summer.My general feeling is that Ryan Grant is going to be over-valued in drafts (especially dynasty) and that Brandon Jackson is a solid late round pick.

I think anyone that has watched can see this coming. Jackson will play, the question is how much? Personally, I don't think the guy proved last year that he could hit the hole without dancing. That is not acceptable in this scheme. But Jackson does bring good hands and great athletic ability. In that respect, I think he's more talented than Grant.Bottom line for me. When given the chance, Jackson was nothing short of below average last season. In the same scheme with the same players around him, Grant looked infinitely better.I'm witholding judgement on Jackson, because I believe he can improve. But I believe it will take a monumental effort to unseat Grant after his performance last year.

I agree Grant will be the starter, i'm just not so sure he'll have such a huge % of the touches like he did once he got the job last season.I really don't have many feelings one way or the other about Jackson, but i do know that the coaching staff thinks he can be very very good.

 

[Todem]

Name one skill position player that had a better career after he left Brett Favre, than one when he played Brett Favre.The entire offense will hurt this next season as Rodgers struggles.

Very This is the time to sell Grant and Jennings high. I traded Grant straight up for McGahee this off-season.

 

[Todem]

If Grant was only good because of Favre, how bad would the RBs starting in the first half of the season have been without Favre? Would they have run backwards?Give Grant SOME credit.

I thought Grant looked great. He was fast and decisive. However those huge lanes are going to be a thing of the past as defenses will not sit back. They will attack Rodgers and this offense and find out right away what the Packers can do without their HOF QB. It may get real ugly this year for the cheese heads.

 

[Phurfur]

I believe Grant is making the league minimum. I would have allot more confidence in Grant shouldering the load if GB gave him a nice contract extension.

 

[dmac37]

Grant had a great year last year, no doubt. I think many believe that he was the sole reason for the GB running game turn around, but it seemed to be a collection of things.

The o-line was not in sync during the pre season and early in the regular season, seemed to jell about the same time as Grant. Chicken or the Egg?

Jackson was thought of as a RB with potential, not necessarily brought in to start right away, but was thrown in too early to start. He also looked a lot better later in the year.

Thompson seems to be making good moves and will make sure his 2nd round pick gets a chance to prove himself.

 

[LawFitz]

Ryan Grant = Justin Fargas

Big, tough, fast (but not quick), stiff

Both run behind the ZBS and fit quite well into that scheme. Both will perform as long as they stay on the field. Both are susceptible to injury with that running style.

No way I'd take Grant in the top ten. Top twenty maybe. Top thirty probably.

 

[sho nuff]

Keep an eye on whether he shows up for OTAs and mini camp. Word is, he is not happy with his contract. He says he won't hold out, but you gotta believe the guy wants to strike while the iron is hot.

He does not just want to sign the restricted rights tender. He wants a long term deal.IMO...Ted will get him signed before camp anyway. He is probably looking at the last little tier of free agency and getting all the rooks signed...and then will move on to guys like Grant and some other vets to lock them up long term (they have the cap space)

 

[sho nuff]

Another concern I have with Grant involved DeShawn Wynn. Before he got hurt, he was the goal-line back in Green Bay. And at 5-11, 235 he is sized appropriately to be a Vulture. We have to wait and see how they are used in the Pre-season games, but if I had a draft now, I would be concerned about a lack of Touchdowns from Grant. This combined with Rodgers instead of Favre makes me really leary of Grant

Wynn might not even make the team this year.He has some attitude/motivational issues and some of them popped up again after he was hurt.Jackson should worry owners more than Wynn.

 

[sho nuff]

Name one skill position player that had a better career after he left Brett Favre, than one when he played Brett Favre.The entire offense will hurt this next season as Rodgers struggles.

Which one of them played for the current Packer team?People bring up Bill Schroeder of course...yeah...he went to the freakin Lions people.Freeman was on the downside of his career.Nothing any of those players did has anything to do with what these current players will do with Green Bay.Of course the offense should be expected to take a step back...Rodgers struggles? He might.

 

[sho nuff]

I am definitely very skeptical about this player. Brandon Jackson was a second round pick last year, and even though he was extremely bad at the start of the season, he will most likely get another chance to prove something. Wynn is also lurking, and showed some promise last year. So short term, he may have some slight competition. Now throw in a little Favre retiring, and the fact that none of the backs are difference makers, and it makes Grant's long term situation very questionable. Basically...not a terrible play in redrafts but will go way before I would draft him. In dynasty formats, sell, sell, sell and don't draft at his current value.

IMO Grant has shown he is a difference maker.Jackson's draft slot means nothing at this point. Its a sunk cost.He will get some carries as he looked much better late in the year...but Grant is the guy.

 

[sho nuff]

This is the player that I can not put my finger on. He started 10 games last year and finished as a top 12 back in most leagues or higher, but he did have a hall of fame QB. Some quick stats:

188 Carries for 956 Yards (5.1 average)

30 Receptions

8 TDs

11 carries over 20 Yards

4 TDs over 20 Yards

So how will Grant do with Rogers and a much more balanced offense?

Two things that you know that happen:1) Teams run the ball more when the weather gets cold

2) It will get cold at Lambeau Field

GB has ample talent at the skill positions to make other teams play honest against them. I can see similar stats as the coaching staff appears to have gret confidence in him...just see hwo they stuck with him during the horrible start he had in the playoffs. That was telling that they think he's their man.

I disagree with that assumption. IMO, teams are going to force Rodgers to beat them, and Grant will struggle this year. Favre and the 3 WR sets led to 7 in the box for Grant, and he won't see that with Rogers at the helm this year.Depending on the value you can get for him, I think Grant is a "sell high" candidate.

3 WR? GB rolled 5 WRs out and will still do that next year. (or do you think they used their first pick on a WR for no reason?)

 

[sho nuff]

Name one skill position player that had a better career after he left Brett Favre, than one when he played Brett Favre.The entire offense will hurt this next season as Rodgers struggles.

How can you say this? Green Bay has a ton of talent on their offense and sure they may not be as potent as last years team I still think their offensive will be in the top half on the league.As far as the original question goes I think Jackson could steal some carries from Grant it won't be enough to keep Grant from being a top 10 RB. I'd feel confident with Grant in the late 1st/early 2nd round.

How can I say this? B/c its true. Brett Favre is great...may be the greatest of all time. He made everyone on that offense look better every season. He made Freeman and Schroeder look like competent WR's. Tauscher and Clifton he made them look like pro bowlers b/c of his quick release and awareness in the pocket. Dorsey Levens, Edgar Bennett, Ryan Grant....they are all the same guy. The only talented runner the Packers had was Ahman Green...he was a legit talent. He made Robert Brooks and Donald Driver look like true #1 Wr's when they weren't.Favre was amazing...but Rodgers will not be even close to as good as Favre. So the supporting cast will go downhill, the offensive line will have to protect longer, and the running game will suffer.

Umm...Tauscher and Clifton have proven themselves to be pro-bowl caliber tackles.All the same guy? You really need to lay off the crack pipe man.Driver has been a #1 because of the trust in Favre...he is a Hines Ward kind of #1 WR and worthy of being one...How do you know what Rodgers will and will not look like?

 

[Football Jones]

I'm a little leery of Grant. No doubt he's got some talent, but holy moly, I've never seen more gigantic holes in my life (after the line jelled). Obviously, Favre had a lot to do with that (defense playing the pass). I'll just say this...it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Jackson becomes their eventual feature back.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

Name one skill position player that had a better career after he left Brett Favre, than one when he played Brett Favre.The entire offense will hurt this next season as Rodgers struggles.

How can you say this? Green Bay has a ton of talent on their offense and sure they may not be as potent as last years team I still think their offensive will be in the top half on the league.As far as the original question goes I think Jackson could steal some carries from Grant it won't be enough to keep Grant from being a top 10 RB. I'd feel confident with Grant in the late 1st/early 2nd round.

How can I say this? B/c its true. Brett Favre is great...may be the greatest of all time. He made everyone on that offense look better every season. He made Freeman and Schroeder look like competent WR's. Tauscher and Clifton he made them look like pro bowlers b/c of his quick release and awareness in the pocket. Dorsey Levens, Edgar Bennett, Ryan Grant....they are all the same guy. The only talented runner the Packers had was Ahman Green...he was a legit talent. He made Robert Brooks and Donald Driver look like true #1 Wr's when they weren't.Favre was amazing...but Rodgers will not be even close to as good as Favre. So the supporting cast will go downhill, the offensive line will have to protect longer, and the running game will suffer.

Umm...Tauscher and Clifton have proven themselves to be pro-bowl caliber tackles.All the same guy? You really need to lay off the crack pipe man.Driver has been a #1 because of the trust in Favre...he is a Hines Ward kind of #1 WR and worthy of being one...How do you know what Rodgers will and will not look like?

Haha.....crack pipe huh?Show me one skill position player to better after leaving Favre. Until then I am speaking the truth. I own Rodgers in a league by the way, but he will struggle this season.I love Jennings but he will not have 12 TD's.Grant will not have a 5.1 yard average.