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As I posted a few pages ago, there have been recent trades of backup QBs. I don't think the Pats could net a 1st for Mallett, but they might be able to snag a second or move up in the draft by swapping picks with Mallett as the throw in.
I presume you wanted to make a good list, then found it sucked, so you added Hass and Favre.
Dude, you said trades happen once every 30 years. Someone else asked what other trades for backups had went down that people could remember. Get over yourself.
Sorry, the 30 year thing was an exaggeration. You should add Terry Bradshaw to the list though. Maybe you didn't want to argue with me, but just wanted to add information to the discussion, and if that's the case I'm sorry.
I'm not arguing at all and if you read what I posted, I actually agreed with you that the Pats won't get a first round pick for Mallett. I don't see him as the heir apparent to Brady, so he has limited utility to NE (one year left as hopefully a competent backup if needed). I think if the Pats got wowed by an offer or fell in love with someone in the draft that they would be inclined to move Mallett and move on to someone else. At some point soon the Pats WILL have to look more aggressively for Brady's replacement, and how they will acquire that QB will be interesting (an early polished pick that sits behind Brady, a late pick that they can work with and mold, a trade for another team's back up, a free agent signing, etc.).
Oof. Going to be such a big reality check for us Pats fans when Brady goes. 12-4 seasons do not grow on trees (without Brady).
And how do you know this? As long as BB is there, they will be fine. They went 11-5 without Brady, and Cassel was never very good.
Yeah, another QB came in and picked up the reigns of an offense that had broken every offensive record ever and carried the team to a 16-0 record the previous year, and they did just well enough to miss the playoffs. That's kinda the point.PatsFanCT said:
Exactly. Same people too. Not all Pats fans are like that, but too many are. The price you pay for success though, right?
Fun fact, The Cassel led Patriots are the only 11-win team in history to miss the playoffs. So the whole "they missed the playoffs without Brady" meme is without merit. They were good enough under Cassel to be in the playoffs.
Believe he means in Patriots team history, that's the only 11-win team to miss the playoffs. In fact, it's one of only three 10- or 11-win teams to miss the playoffs in franchise history.
Since I was bored, I looked up how many times NFL franchise had 10 wins in a season and missed the playoffs in the SB era. It's happened 28 times. Here was the breakdown by team:
Mallett + Norv could be pretty interesting... seems to be quite a bit of smoke around a Mallet deal, and as I've argued earlier, I don't see the Pats depending on a comp pick to get something for him when his contract expires after this year.
Brady's signed through 2017 with a cap hit that remains relatively unchanged each year (between $14-15MM). With the way the NFL is today, doesn't seem likely that QBs are in a ton of danger, especially the smart ones like Brady and Manning who know how to avoid hits.
You are assuming that Brady plays out his full contract from his decision and that Brady won't get worse without injury. Neither of those things are automatic. He will be 37 years old week 1 next season. We don't even know if he'll be the same QB that we saw last year, which wasn't as good as he was in the past.
The whole point being that Mallet will be in a position to choose to leave and NE to get much less compensation than what his likely value is now. NE does not have control over the situation after this season - unless you envision a Favre/Rodgers scenario playing out there after this year.
What is much less? A 3rd instead of a 2nd? I don't even know if he could be dealt for a 2nd. If he leaves and the Pats get a comp pick, he'll be signed to a starting job and a starting QB's pay nearly demand the max comp pick. Anyway, lots of trades "make sense" to people on the outside, but they never happen. The first thing people disregard are the human elements involved, like maybe Mallett likes being a Patriot and doesn't mind waiting an extra year if it means he'll be playing for a competent organization instead of a loser. Teams also have plans that they don't disclose to the public. I'm not saying he definitely won't be traded, but this disagreement stemmed from a Vikings blogger that knows jack squat (which apparently is evidence for something nowadays) and JFS171 saying the only question is where. Get outta here.
Cassel was a pro bowler in KC. He might not be a star, but when he subbed in for Brady he was a decent QB good enough to start in the NFL. I'm not sure Mallett is that good. Although he was pretty damn good in college.
I'm gonna guess you're not too familiar with how compensatory picks are awarded.
I'd like to know how you came to the conclusion that NE would be awarded a pick after the third round for a QB who quite possibly will have not started a NFL regular season game in his career. I would think depending upon who NE would sign in FA that year that it is more likely they get no pick for losing Mallet than it would be that they get awarded a 3rd rounder.
I know that the NFL uses salary, starts and awards to determine them. The Packers didn't get much because Flynn only started a handful of games. Do you think Flynn is a good comparison to Mallett? If you think that, then why would a team trade for him in the first place? Be consistent.
As a Viking fan, I feel the opposite. If the Pats are willing to trade Mallet when Brady is getting close to senescence (good word), then that tells me he isn't as good as some people think. I worry he is going to be like Matt Flynn--everyone thought he was great behind Rodgers and then he sucked when he was thrust into the starting spot.
The funny thing (and in funny, I mean 'sad' as a Viking fan) is the Mallett pick was made with the pick they got from the Vikings in exchange for Randy Moss.
Why would they do that? They could just package Belichick with the 1.08 and get Bridgewater.
That Patriots don't work that way. Even if the Vikings gave up 1.08 for Mallet the Patriots would probably trade back. Second Bridgewater isn't the prospect that Luck or RG3 was. I don't think anyone would pay that kind of price for any of the quarterbacks in this years class.
mallett is a free agent at season's end, unless Brady retires after this year and the pats promise mallett the job he is gone.
That doesn't surprise me because I looked into the details regarding his personality issues when he was a rookie and while I can't remember the details, my general impression was that those concerns were overblown and the perceptions were wrong. And, as a result, I have been patiently been holding him in three leagues hoping to eventually get a return on my investment.Bronco Billy said:
This is what I recall about him as well. Kind of an "Eminem Wannabe" punk attitude who didn't interview well at all the year he was drafted with some substance abuse concerns......however dad is/was a coach, rocket arm but kind of a long delivery in my book. I don't really think there is much to see here other than a solid bench guy in case of injury. I highly doubt he's starter material in the NFL.Bronco Billy said:
Nobody is giving up a pick in the top-64 for Mallett.Premier said:
Now you are really sticking the knife in...The funny thing (and in funny, I mean 'sad' as a Viking fan) is the Mallett pick was made with the pick they got from the Vikings in exchange for Randy Moss.
