Ryan Torain (1 Viewer)

[Multiple Scores]

I wasn't expecting him to light it up this week, but his upcoming schedule is favorable, starting with Indy this week

Agree. The colts and packers run defenses are apples and oranges. I was expecting what we got against the packers, I expect 150 total yards with 100 rushing and 2 scores this week against the colts.

 

[kevthegrad]

I think Torain got slightly dinged. I'm not certain though. Williams looked pretty good on that last scoring drive though after Torain had a very nice game.

As near as I could tell, Williams finished out the game. If he's the guy in the game during "crunch time" (when Wash was trying to make the late comeback), does that make him the play going forward? I'm looking at it strictly from now until Portis is back of course. Torain had a nice game last night but it looked like Williams got the late vote of confidence there.

Portis isn't coming back and Williams is the better receiver that's why he was in there.Torain looked fantastic ... he is the starter unless he gets injured

How's Torain's blocking? Was Williams also in for the sake of being 3rd down guy with better blocking skills in addition to his receiving?

 

[Dismattle]

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I guess it might be worth watching if The Train doesnt practice this wk...

 

[Hoart Petterson]

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I guess it might be worth watching if The Train doesnt practice this wk...

They were in their 2 minute offense. In a hurry up, down 10 in the 4th, they had their 3rd down guy in there. This guy gets paid to be an "insider"?

 

[Todem]

I picked this guy up in 3 leagues....and yes he has helped. But I watched him last night. He is not that good. He is a stop gap for this season only.

 

[ourmanflint]

I picked this guy up in 3 leagues....and yes he has helped. But I watched him last night. He is not that good. He is a stop gap for this season only.

What do you not like? The uncanny ability to break multiple tackles or the nose for the endzone?He's not a human joystick. But the guy makes yards given a little bit of room...consistently.

 

[qimqam]

I picked this guy up in 3 leagues....and yes he has helped. But I watched him last night. He is not that good. He is a stop gap for this season only.

Don't know what u were watching ... Why would you say he is not good?He had 100 yds, averaged 5yds per carry, had 2 tds, broke leg tackles, spun out of tackles in the backfield, cutback nicely on td run?So he doesn't run a 4.3 ... you don't have to be super fast to be a good NFL RB.

 

[Kiddnets]

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I guess it might be worth watching if The Train doesnt practice this wk...

They were in their 2 minute offense. In a hurry up, down 10 in the 4th, they had their 3rd down guy in there. This guy gets paid to be an "insider"?

Knee wrapped on its face is not a big deal but with Shanny you could get stuck holding the bag this week

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Don't know what u were watching ... Why would you say he is not good?

He didn't say 'he's not good', he said 'he's not THAT good.'He's right. Torain is what he is: An average NFL back, with substandard speed. He can perform well in Shanny's one-cut system and he'll take the yards that the OL gives him. He's big and he's not afraid to lower a shoulder into a defender, but he's never going to run around/past/away from anyone, he's not going to be used as a receiver, and he's not a good blocker.Those guys still have value, obviously he's showing that right now, but they are the kind of guy most teams look to upgrade from, not stand pat with. Sure, in a 'perfect storm' sort of season they can probably produce at levels you wouldn't have classified them as being capable of. Maybe that's this sort of season for Torain. Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.The guy smacks of Barry Word/Natrone Means/Okoye/Marion Butts to me, at best: Big guy falls into a starting gig, all the stars line up and he has one season of legitimate fantasy relevance. Fades into virtual obscurity ever after. As someone else mentioned about this week....let's not forget this was against the Colts.That said, as long as Shanahan is willing to feed the guy, it's pointless not to reap the benefits. If Portis remains shelved, ride him until he breaks(which maybe he's doing, since he's reportedly got a banged up knee), but I wouldn't be pinning any hopes on the guy past this season.

 

[Nightly Mistake]

Torain doesn't simply "look slow" He is slow...TERRIBLY slow!

Whoever called hium a bulldozer has it right. This is a guy who can pile up yards against an undersized front or when his team is winning (and running) all day, but doesn't have the speed or agility to consistantly score against more physical defenses.

Going forward this year, he's a nice low end RB2/high end 3 at a fantastic price (assuming most got him off waivers), but I don't think he offers more then fill in value in dynasty. Guys with running styles that physical rarely last more then a year or two as a primary back.

I disagree. I see a lot of agility, stepping out of and over tackles as he spins upfield for more yards. 30 yard gains are about his top end under the best of circumstances, but he runs hard, cuts decisively upfield or back against the grain just like this offense wants him to do, and he breaks tackles. If the o-line is making holes for him that's a recipe for 4+ yards per carry and at least 15-20 carries per game. He also stays in the game in the red zone. The guys I'd compare him to are Olandis Gary or Dominic Rhodes. Nothing sexy about them but they know the scheme and know how to get the best out of themselves in the scheme.

And runners like Gary and Rhodes lasted how long as primary ball-carriers?Read my post again. Guy has value this year...a lot of it. I'm saying he's a bit more limited in dynasty value. Also...a brute who won't go down is not "agile" simply because he steps out of a tackle. He may be agile for a brute but he's a long ways from agile. His speed/quickness is a very real liability. HOles in the NFL don't stay open long, and Torain doesn't have the quicks to fully exploit those holes when they (breifly) open. What he does have is the brute power to fall forward most of the time.

I own him in a couple of leagues...and I'm stoked about it but his realistic ceiling is as a low end #2 this year, and as a 'cuff/COP to next years first or second round pick in dynasty leagues.

If you're not agile you don't spin out of tackles multiple times like he did last night. I agree he's not an elite talent, but I like what he offers. Another guy I'd compare him to is Rudi Johnson who did start for multiple years. Frankly most RB's in the NFL aren't elite. How many get the lion's share of carries like Torain does in this RBBC era though?

 

[thriftyrocker]

The guy smacks of Barry Word/Natrone Means/Okoye/Marion Butts to me, at best: Big guy falls into a starting gig, all the stars line up and he has one season of legitimate fantasy relevance. Fades into virtual obscurity ever after. As someone else mentioned about this week....let's not forget this was against the Colts.

Nice references. But some of those guys started a lot of games. I looked it up and Natrone started 55 games. In the dynasty leagues I rostered Torain, I will gladly take, what, 52 more starts from him.

 

[basher]

I think we should be able to agree that he has a decent amount of value moving forward this season but should be tempered in Dynasty formats. Although it should be noted that his coach has had an on/off love affair with the guy.

 

[habsfan]

I think we should be able to agree that he has a decent amount of value moving forward this season but should be tempered in Dynasty formats. Although it should be noted that his coach has had an on/off love affair with the guy.

I saw the Indy game but did not see the Green Bay game and they appear to tell two very different stories. He appears to have a fair number of "top 10ish" run defenses on the schedule though. I'm interested in what sort of numbers people are expecting for the balance of the year(?)

 

[plyka]

I think Torain got slightly dinged. I'm not certain though. Williams looked pretty good on that last scoring drive though after Torain had a very nice game.

As near as I could tell, Williams finished out the game. If he's the guy in the game during "crunch time" (when Wash was trying to make the late comeback), does that make him the play going forward? I'm looking at it strictly from now until Portis is back of course. Torain had a nice game last night but it looked like Williams got the late vote of confidence there.

LOL...this is what's called missing thet train on Torain and now grasping at straws on Kheiland! Good luck, but it's not going to happen. Before Portis on Larry Johnson got hurt, and cut respectively, Kheiland was the back in line to get carries while Torain was on the practice squad. The first game Kheiland barely got any touches, and Torain fresh off the practice squad got all the carries with Portis. I'm not sure what has to happen for you guys to get it, Kheiland is a 3 down back. He has had every chance in the world to get burn and he never does, unless it is a clear passing down! That's what he is, a 3rd down back or a passing down back.Even a game where Torain gets 20+ points, 100+ yards rushing, receiving pretty well, 2 TDs, etc., you still have to write the nonsense above? Makes no sense.

 

[cobalt_27]

I think we should be able to agree that he has a decent amount of value moving forward this season but should be tempered in Dynasty formats. Although it should be noted that his coach has had an on/off love affair with the guy.

I saw the Indy game but did not see the Green Bay game and they appear to tell two very different stories. He appears to have a fair number of "top 10ish" run defenses on the schedule though. I'm interested in what sort of numbers people are expecting for the balance of the year(?)

Somewhere between what you saw in the GB and Indy games. He's a good one-cut runner and can get around the corner on a stretch play. He can grind through poor defenses like he did with Indy. But, he'll just have to be a grinder against better front 7s. I envision a couple 100 yard games, particularly against the Lions, (possibly Eagles), and, later, the Bucs. But, against better teams, I doubt he clears more than 60 yds being the typical game. I don't think he is that dynamic enough, nor do I think Shanny is dedicated to the run enough to really stretch his value out beyond what we've seen.

 

[plyka]

I'm a Skin's homer and a Torain owner...but let's face it folks...it's the Colts. They can make anyone look like a superstar RB. See Arian Foster, week 1. Not to say Foster isn't good, but he's not THAT good. I think it's more that the Skin's OL can't push many DL's around that's the problem, not so much Torain. I hope he keeps up the run, but I think we'll go back to seeing 12 att, 36 yds 0 TD lines more frequently when we start playing other teams.

I'm trying to dump him while he's hot.

If you're trying to bring up RBs that most fantasy players wouldn't want, you probably shouldn't bring up the leader in fantasy points out of all RBs, Arian Foster, lol. Arian has like 640 yards rushing and 7 TDs through 6 games, lol. He also has, off the top of my head, like 20 catches for who knows how many yards.

 

[qimqam]

I think we should be able to agree that he has a decent amount of value moving forward this season but should be tempered in Dynasty formats. Although it should be noted that his coach has had an on/off love affair with the guy.

I saw the Indy game but did not see the Green Bay game and they appear to tell two very different stories. He appears to have a fair number of "top 10ish" run defenses on the schedule though. I'm interested in what sort of numbers people are expecting for the balance of the year(?)

Assuming he stays healthy expect what you were expecting from Clinton Portis if he were healthy, which is probably High rb2He is a Top 25 RB in pts. right now in my league having played only 3 1/2 games. He is right in the area of MJD, Turner, Jamal Charles Add Clinton Portis numbers from the first 2 games (When Torain did not play) and you'd have a top 15 RB right now up there with Steven Jackson, Ray Rice, Ahmad Bradshaw

 

[Football Critic]

Just can't wait for Torain to play Detroit. Fantasy Football Rule #2: Always start your players vs. the Lions.

 

[plyka]

I picked this guy up in 3 leagues....and yes he has helped. But I watched him last night. He is not that good. He is a stop gap for this season only.

Yeah, read the Peyton Hillis threads, that's what guys said after the first few weeks of Hillis. Hopefully Torain will be the same as Hillis, people will continue doubting his potential in Fantasy until he continues racking in 20+ fantasy point performances. In my league i think Hillis is a top 10 RB, despite not being the #1 guy in the first few games. I think the real problem is that fantasy football players don't see the sexiness of a guy like Torain or Hillis. They are big, dependable, and get you the 4 yard, 5 yrd or even big time 7 yard gains. They rarely if ever get you the -1, or 0 yard runs. But they also rarely ever if NEVER get you the 80 yard runs. That's a big problem for couch potatos watching football on TV. They want to see the 99 yard TD runs. Coaches on real football teams, however, would rather have a 130 total yards with 4 or 5 or 10 yard runs spread out throughout the game, instead of 2 runs, one for 90 the other for 50, and 15 other runs throughout the game that add up for -10. There is an inneficiency in fantasy football, and i think it is RBs in the same vien has Hillis or Torain. If you want a heads up on who is next, i would look at Blount from TB. Same style, same unsexiness, but probably the same or even higher talent level. Fantasy football players will sleep on him just like they have slept on Hillis and now are sleeping on Torain.

 

[habsfan]

I think Torain got slightly dinged. I'm not certain though. Williams looked pretty good on that last scoring drive though after Torain had a very nice game.

As near as I could tell, Williams finished out the game. If he's the guy in the game during "crunch time" (when Wash was trying to make the late comeback), does that make him the play going forward? I'm looking at it strictly from now until Portis is back of course. Torain had a nice game last night but it looked like Williams got the late vote of confidence there.

LOL...this is what's called missing thet train on Torain and now grasping at straws on Kheiland! Good luck, but it's not going to happen. Before Portis on Larry Johnson got hurt, and cut respectively, Kheiland was the back in line to get carries while Torain was on the practice squad. The first game Kheiland barely got any touches, and Torain fresh off the practice squad got all the carries with Portis. I'm not sure what has to happen for you guys to get it, Kheiland is a 3 down back. He has had every chance in the world to get burn and he never does, unless it is a clear passing down! That's what he is, a 3rd down back or a passing down back.Even a game where Torain gets 20+ points, 100+ yards rushing, receiving pretty well, 2 TDs, etc., you still have to write the nonsense above? Makes no sense.

I own Torain and do not own Portis or Williams. I posed a sensible question based on what I saw (in this case, Torain on the sidelines for most of the 4th quarter). Two minute mode or today's knee wrapped in ice are both sensible responses.In future, you might want to get up to speed in a thread before firing from the hip.

 

[omally]

Just can't wait for Torain to play Detroit. Fantasy Football Rule #2: Always start your players vs. the Lions.

I did. I played Nicks and it didn't work out too well.

 

[intrinsic]

any homers have news on Torain's participation in practice this week so far?

 

[dgreen]

I think Torain got slightly dinged. I'm not certain though. Williams looked pretty good on that last scoring drive though after Torain had a very nice game.

As near as I could tell, Williams finished out the game. If he's the guy in the game during "crunch time" (when Wash was trying to make the late comeback), does that make him the play going forward? I'm looking at it strictly from now until Portis is back of course. Torain had a nice game last night but it looked like Williams got the late vote of confidence there.

LOL...this is what's called missing thet train on Torain and now grasping at straws on Kheiland! Good luck, but it's not going to happen. Before Portis on Larry Johnson got hurt, and cut respectively, Kheiland was the back in line to get carries while Torain was on the practice squad. The first game Kheiland barely got any touches, and Torain fresh off the practice squad got all the carries with Portis. I'm not sure what has to happen for you guys to get it, Kheiland is a 3 down back. He has had every chance in the world to get burn and he never does, unless it is a clear passing down! That's what he is, a 3rd down back or a passing down back.Even a game where Torain gets 20+ points, 100+ yards rushing, receiving pretty well, 2 TDs, etc., you still have to write the nonsense above? Makes no sense.

I own Torain and do not own Portis or Williams. I posed a sensible question based on what I saw (in this case, Torain on the sidelines for most of the 4th quarter). Two minute mode or today's knee wrapped in ice are both sensible responses.In future, you might want to get up to speed in a thread before firing from the hip.

Williams is the receiving back and Washington was in pass-only mode for most of the 4th quarter. There's nothing else to it.

 

[Dismattle]

any homers have news on Torain's participation in practice this week so far?

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Injury_Report_49990.jsp <--Im not sure what time its updatedI realize that you wanted more specifics, but I cant help there (yet anyway)

 

[Couch Potato]

Torain and I are Facebook friends. Added each other early this year when he was still unemployed, working out and trying to latch on with teams. We haven't talked back and forth a lot, but enough to know that he's a nice guy and writes as well as the average guy posting on this message board. I wouldn't have known about any learning disability from his messages to me and he never came across as stupid at all.

Too much bashing of his mind and his physical skills in this thread lately, and it's unwarranted. Until you guys are qualified to take over Shanahan's job, maybe you should rely on him to decide if Torain is smart enough and talented enough to succeed. So far it looks like he's doing pretty well. Thanks.

 

[Sidewinder16]

any homers have news on Torain's participation in practice this week so far?

No mention of him being among players that missed, or were limited in, today's practice.Larry Weisman tweet

 

[Bad_Mo]

Torain and I are Facebook friends.

Can you virtually say hi to him for me?

 

[Couch Potato]

Torain and I are Facebook friends.

Can you virtually say hi to him for me?

Uh, he's sorta busy this time of year.But I can virtually say hi to you from me.

 

[elbowrm]

any homers have news on Torain's participation in practice this week so far?

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Injury_Report_49990.jsp <--Im not sure what time its updatedI realize that you wanted more specifics, but I cant help there (yet anyway)

Not on official injury report at all:http://www.nfl.com/injuries

 

[dickey moe]

I picked this guy up in 3 leagues....and yes he has helped. But I watched him last night. He is not that good. He is a stop gap for this season only.

Yeah, read the Peyton Hillis threads, that's what guys said after the first few weeks of Hillis. Hopefully Torain will be the same as Hillis, people will continue doubting his potential in Fantasy until he continues racking in 20+ fantasy point performances. In my league i think Hillis is a top 10 RB, despite not being the #1 guy in the first few games. I think the real problem is that fantasy football players don't see the sexiness of a guy like Torain or Hillis. They are big, dependable, and get you the 4 yard, 5 yrd or even big time 7 yard gains. They rarely if ever get you the -1, or 0 yard runs. But they also rarely ever if NEVER get you the 80 yard runs. That's a big problem for couch potatos watching football on TV. They want to see the 99 yard TD runs. Coaches on real football teams, however, would rather have a 130 total yards with 4 or 5 or 10 yard runs spread out throughout the game, instead of 2 runs, one for 90 the other for 50, and 15 other runs throughout the game that add up for -10. There is an inneficiency in fantasy football, and i think it is RBs in the same vien has Hillis or Torain. If you want a heads up on who is next, i would look at Blount from TB. Same style, same unsexiness, but probably the same or even higher talent level. Fantasy football players will sleep on him just like they have slept on Hillis and now are sleeping on Torain.

Solid post.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

The guy smacks of Barry Word/Natrone Means/Okoye/Marion Butts to me, at best: Big guy falls into a starting gig, all the stars line up and he has one season of legitimate fantasy relevance. Fades into virtual obscurity ever after. As someone else mentioned about this week....let's not forget this was against the Colts.

Nice references. But some of those guys started a lot of games. I looked it up and Natrone started 55 games. In the dynasty leagues I rostered Torain, I will gladly take, what, 52 more starts from him.

Not debating that some of them had a decent amount of starts. I was opining that, even with all those starts, they were really only fantasy relevant for what amounted to a single season, maybe two. It's great for that one season, and none of those guys were terrible players, but nor where they anywhere near elite/difference makers. They're the types of guys that teams usually attempt to upgrade from.

As I said, I don't blame anyone for riding the horse until it keels over. You may get a decent year out of him. Maybe even a second one. I'm merely saying that I wouldn't expect to be riding this same horse in a year's time.

 

[ScottyDog]

So in a nutshell.......a good redraft player, not so good dynasty? Ok, I like him in my re-draft league.

The guy smacks of Barry Word/Natrone Means/Okoye/Marion Butts to me, at best: Big guy falls into a starting gig, all the stars line up and he has one season of legitimate fantasy relevance. Fades into virtual obscurity ever after. As someone else mentioned about this week....let's not forget this was against the Colts.

Nice references. But some of those guys started a lot of games. I looked it up and Natrone started 55 games. In the dynasty leagues I rostered Torain, I will gladly take, what, 52 more starts from him.

Not debating that some of them had a decent amount of starts. I was opining that, even with all those starts, they were really only fantasy relevant for what amounted to a single season, maybe two. It's great for that one season, and none of those guys were terrible players, but nor where they anywhere near elite/difference makers. They're the types of guys that teams usually attempt to upgrade from.

As I said, I don't blame anyone for riding the horse until it keels over. You may get a decent year out of him. Maybe even a second one. I'm merely saying that I wouldn't expect to be riding this same horse in a year's time.

 

[plyka]

The guy smacks of Barry Word/Natrone Means/Okoye/Marion Butts to me, at best: Big guy falls into a starting gig, all the stars line up and he has one season of legitimate fantasy relevance. Fades into virtual obscurity ever after. As someone else mentioned about this week....let's not forget this was against the Colts.

Nice references. But some of those guys started a lot of games. I looked it up and Natrone started 55 games. In the dynasty leagues I rostered Torain, I will gladly take, what, 52 more starts from him.

Not debating that some of them had a decent amount of starts. I was opining that, even with all those starts, they were really only fantasy relevant for what amounted to a single season, maybe two. It's great for that one season, and none of those guys were terrible players, but nor where they anywhere near elite/difference makers. They're the types of guys that teams usually attempt to upgrade from.

As I said, I don't blame anyone for riding the horse until it keels over. You may get a decent year out of him. Maybe even a second one. I'm merely saying that I wouldn't expect to be riding this same horse in a year's time.

With all due respect, we are talking about a guy most of us picked up for free on the waivers a few weeks back, I'm not sure too many of us are expecting "elite difference makers." Most of us got that with our 1st or 2nd round picks. Guys like Torain, who we got for free, are the RB2 type players. If you get an RB2 player for FREE, then you're on your way to a fantasy championship. Rarely do you get the elite talents on the waivers in week 7.

 

[Prinefan]

Okay, 100 yds against Indy is a ? 100+ vs Chicago got my attention. By the 4th quarter he was ripping off large gains on running downs. Watched the game and I'm a believer.

 

[Bdub]

Okay, 100 yds against Indy is a ? 100+ vs Chicago got my attention. By the 4th quarter he was ripping off large gains on running downs. Watched the game and I'm a believer.

My exact thoughts. I tried like hell to trade him last week after the Indy game, came close to getting a couple of guys to overpay, and now I'm very glad it didn't happen. Please stay healthy!

 

[kencav]

I'm a Skin's homer and a Torain owner...but let's face it folks...it's the Colts. They can make anyone look like a superstar RB. See Arian Foster, week 1. Not to say Foster isn't good, but he's not THAT good. I think it's more that the Skin's OL can't push many DL's around that's the problem, not so much Torain. I hope he keeps up the run, but I think we'll go back to seeing 12 att, 36 yds 0 TD lines more frequently when we start playing other teams.

I'm trying to dump him while he's hot.

Well he just played the Bears with Urlacher/Briggs in Chicago pretty stingy to rb's at home. He got stronger at end of game like all good backs do, youth/excitibility may have contributed to fumbles. Unlike Kubiak in Houston (who would have benched him for Williams in a second) Shannahan has faith in this kid and he iced a win for them against a tough opponent on the road.

Except for Steelers D why sit this kid against anyone right now?

 

[bleedgreen]

What's the outlook on Torain this week?

With McNabb on the bench, will Dallas be putting 8 in the box and daring Rex to beat them?

If they do stack the box, is the Dallas D bad enough to be run on anyway?

 

[Dexter Manley]

What's the outlook on Torain this week?With McNabb on the bench, will Dallas be putting 8 in the box and daring Rex to beat them?If they do stack the box, is the Dallas D bad enough to be run on anyway?

IMO, the only way he scores double digits is if he gets a td. I would expect 60 - 70 yards with maybe a 50% chance of a td. I know a lot of people were excited about his game last week, but TB's run defense is the suck. One of the worst in the league.