Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
He's not a world-beater, especially with that o-line. But as long as he doesn't fumble, he should keep the job for the rest of the year, or at least until Portis returns.
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Footballguy
Agree. The colts and packers run defenses are apples and oranges. I was expecting what we got against the packers, I expect 150 total yards with 100 rushing and 2 scores this week against the colts.BringItOn said:
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's wait and see what he does next week. For those that didn't pick up Torain last week, this performance may give them the opportunity to pick him up. I have Torain in all my leagues and it would take some good value to get him from me, but others I think will part with him for much less after his less than steller performance this week against the Packers.
TankRizzo
Footballguy
Even against bad run defenses, I don't think he's going to fare too well. The 'skins O-line is such a patchwork mess that they can't get anything going. This offense is going to run through McNabb's arm.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Reminds me of Forte in the way he looks average but is deceptive. Even last week he looked really good. I know that Cecil and Sigmund aren't Torain fans but I really like what I see thus far. Never goes down on first contact and is able to get to the opening and blast through it.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Not allowed to play when the Redskins get behind. 
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
I agree. They're going a little too one-dimensional right now by taking Torain off the field just because they're in "must pass" territory. Is he Shonn Greene?! Just pass the ball to the bulldozer, Shanny.Not allowed to play when the Redskins get behind.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Weren't they behind the entire game?YouthofToday
Footballguy
Torain allegedly scored a 3 on the Wonderlic. I think you get 4 for writing your name down correctly (jk). If the report is true I highly doubt he has the mental ability to understand blitz pickup packages. Just sayin.
I read somewhere that he had a pretty severe learning disability.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
Was watching him in the casino tonight. At one point, I think his 7-yard TD or whatever it was, guy watched the run and was like, 'my god he looks slow.' i'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was showing patience. i wish i had picked him up a week before portis' injury in my main league. got him in my no. 2 league and if CJ3 matches his performance, i'll pick up a win.
He did look slow but he also looked Big & Strong and made some nice little cuts.He reminds me of Otis Anderson
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
Yeah, it's called being stupid.
habsfan
Footballguy
As near as I could tell, Williams finished out the game. If he's the guy in the game during "crunch time" (when Wash was trying to make the late comeback), does that make him the play going forward? I'm looking at it strictly from now until Portis is back of course. Torain had a nice game last night but it looked like Williams got the late vote of confidence there.
Portis isn't coming back and Williams is the better receiver that's why he was in there.Torain looked fantastic ... he is the starter unless he gets injured
gianmarco
Footballguy
Ryan was a kid you could just tell you really liked," said Koetter, now the Jacksonville Jaguars' offensive coordinator. "You knew he had a huge heart to go along with his talent. Quiet and courteous, for sure. Humble, yet confident."Koetter also applauded a work ethic that extended beyond football.Torain was determined not to let a learning disability prevent him from earning his degree. He split his time between the football office, the weight room and the academic center, which are on different floors of the same building at Arizona State."Ryan took all the help he could get," Koetter said. "Our academic folks who worked with him loved him because of his attitude. His attitude was, I'm sure, the same reason the coaches love him in Washington. He's always trying to get better and take advantage of what's there for him."Torain says he learned the work ethic from his mother, Raedell Shinn. She raised him and his younger brother by herself.The reserved demeanor, meanwhile, has always been part of his character. He seized on it, though, in college when his father offered some advice: Don't be the one out there talking and showboating.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
He knows how to hit a hole and make a cut. How to wait for the correct snap count. I'm guessing he can pick up a blitzer which is FAR less thinking and much more pure training. If you're not the LB that makes the on-field defense changes, the QB, and perhaps a olineman, playing in the NFL isn't going to overwhelm you mentally.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
I'm a Skin's homer and a Torain owner...but let's face it folks...it's the Colts. They can make anyone look like a superstar RB. See Arian Foster, week 1. Not to say Foster isn't good, but he's not THAT good. I think it's more that the Skin's OL can't push many DL's around that's the problem, not so much Torain. I hope he keeps up the run, but I think we'll go back to seeing 12 att, 36 yds 0 TD lines more frequently when we start playing other teams.
I'm trying to dump him while he's hot.
I'm trying to dump him while he's hot.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Kieland Williams is the passing down guy pure and simple.
Torain doesn't simply "look slow" He is slow...TERRIBLY slow!
Whoever called hium a bulldozer has it right. This is a guy who can pile up yards against an undersized front or when his team is winning (and running) all day, but doesn't have the speed or agility to consistantly score against more physical defenses.
Going forward this year, he's a nice low end RB2/high end 3 at a fantastic price (assuming most got him off waivers), but I don't think he offers more then fill in value in dynasty. Guys with running styles that physical rarely last more then a year or two as a primary back.
Whoever called hium a bulldozer has it right. This is a guy who can pile up yards against an undersized front or when his team is winning (and running) all day, but doesn't have the speed or agility to consistantly score against more physical defenses.
Going forward this year, he's a nice low end RB2/high end 3 at a fantastic price (assuming most got him off waivers), but I don't think he offers more then fill in value in dynasty. Guys with running styles that physical rarely last more then a year or two as a primary back.
If you come back be a lot cooler. J
habsfan
Footballguy
I think the truth is somewhere in between this and "he looked fantastic". Upcoming schedule isn't encouraging but he seems the kind of runner to make the most of a tough situation...
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Wait, where's the racism part coming from? If it's just what ROBOPUNTER posted and you quoted then let me tell you that you're projecting with that racism comment and you have your own racism issues to deal with. It was an a**hole and idiotic comment but racist? That's YOUR cross to bear, my friend.kencav said:What an a**hole comment- you must have pretty low self esteem to insult another person like that....especially when they have a disabilityKid has come back/fought back HARD from multiple injuries.....Love to see your transcript posted on this website.....Easy to see why people of color in this country still think racism is alive in well
No its yours if you are supporting a comment like that.Wait, where's the racism part coming from? If it's just what ROBOPUNTER posted and you quoted then let me tell you that you're projecting with that racism comment and you have your own racism issues to deal with. It was an a**hole and idiotic comment but racist? That's YOUR cross to bear, my friend.kencav said:What an a**hole comment- you must have pretty low self esteem to insult another person like that....especially when they have a disabilityKid has come back/fought back HARD from multiple injuries.....Love to see your transcript posted on this website.....Easy to see why people of color in this countr
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Probably because people like you can't hold back from bringing it up wherever you can, even when it has no bearing on what is going on.His comment was insensitive and wrong and it's good that he's gone for saying it. You're the only one who saw race in it though, and that says as much about you as it does about him. Mirror, meet kencav.kencav said:What an a**hole comment- you must have pretty low self esteem to insult another person like that....especially when they have a disabilityKid has come back/fought back HARD from multiple injuries.....
Love to see your transcript posted on this website.....
Easy to see why people of color in this countr
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
ken - I'm just being honest. Exactly where was the racism in what ROBOPUNTER said? If you read racism into what you quoted, the issue is yours and not his. He said nothing racist in the post that you quoted.BTW, I take racism very seriously. There are few things more aggravating to me than people that use the term too easily, cheapening it. It can be very damaging when used loosely. Likewise, you can cheapen the usage of the term when it is actually justified.
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Nightly Mistake
Footballguy
I disagree. I see a lot of agility, stepping out of and over tackles as he spins upfield for more yards. 30 yard gains are about his top end under the best of circumstances, but he runs hard, cuts decisively upfield or back against the grain just like this offense wants him to do, and he breaks tackles. If the o-line is making holes for him that's a recipe for 4+ yards per carry and at least 15-20 carries per game. He also stays in the game in the red zone. The guys I'd compare him to are Olandis Gary or Dominic Rhodes. Nothing sexy about them but they know the scheme and know how to get the best out of themselves in the scheme.
In retrospect I was quick to judge- just very angered by the lack of sensitivity here- I apologize for that remarkBeen following this kid since ASU/pros and have a vested interest in seeing him succeed
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Classy, my friend. I don't mean to be a pain or get on a high horse at all. And his post sucked. I just take that term very seriously. Thanks for the background on Torain, too. I like him even more knowing what a hard worker he is and how much he has persevered.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Torain's 40-time at the 2008 NFL Combine was 4.61, pretty slow. But, as has been mentioned before in the Shark Pool, Pat Kirwan talks about explosive strength as a useful tool in measuring a runnning back's athleticism. Explosive strength is the tally of broad jump + vertical jump + 225 bench reps. 70+ is elite. Here are some explosive strength numbers from NFL RB at the 2008 combine:
Jonathan Stewart 75 (10-8 BJ, 36.5 VJ, 28 Bench) 4.46 40
Rashard Mendenhall 69.5 (9-9 BJ, 33.5 VJ, 26 Bench) 4.41 40
Matt Forte 66 (9-10 BJ, 33 VJ, 23 Bench) 4.44 40
Ryan Torain 65 (10" BJ, 34" VJ, 21 Bench) 4.61 40
Ray Rice 64.5 (9-11 BJ, 31.5 VJ, 23 Bench) 4.42 40
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 64 (9-6 BJ, 30.5 VJ, 24 Bench) 4.6 40
Tashard Choice 64 (9-11 BJ, 34 VJ, 20 Bench) 4.48 40
Justin Forsett 62 (9-4 BJ, 26.5 VJ, 26 Bench) No 40
Chris Johnson and Darren McaFadden didn't do the bench at the combine.
Jonathan Stewart 75 (10-8 BJ, 36.5 VJ, 28 Bench) 4.46 40
Rashard Mendenhall 69.5 (9-9 BJ, 33.5 VJ, 26 Bench) 4.41 40
Matt Forte 66 (9-10 BJ, 33 VJ, 23 Bench) 4.44 40
Ryan Torain 65 (10" BJ, 34" VJ, 21 Bench) 4.61 40
Ray Rice 64.5 (9-11 BJ, 31.5 VJ, 23 Bench) 4.42 40
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 64 (9-6 BJ, 30.5 VJ, 24 Bench) 4.6 40
Tashard Choice 64 (9-11 BJ, 34 VJ, 20 Bench) 4.48 40
Justin Forsett 62 (9-4 BJ, 26.5 VJ, 26 Bench) No 40
Chris Johnson and Darren McaFadden didn't do the bench at the combine.
Very interesting post. Thanks a lot for this. I am quite surprised by Torain's broad jump and vertical compared to the other guys.
I didn't think he looked like a top RB last night, but he did look like a guy who would never go down on a couple hits. If you don't wrap him up around the ankles he is going to make you look dumb.
He did a spin move for extra yards several times. It was amazing really to me.
Das Boot
Footballguy
That is awesome, thanks for posting it - I always like to know who the good guys are.
Thanks.I've long been leery of just using a straight 40 time to judge an NFL RB. Much more interested in the explosive tests and things like shuttle.
J
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TankRizzo
Footballguy
Swing and a miss by me on that one. Guess I underestimated how bad the Colts run D was. I still wouldn't look for this kind of production from Torrain in the future.
And runners like Gary and Rhodes lasted how long as primary ball-carriers?Read my post again. Guy has value this year...a lot of it. I'm saying he's a bit more limited in dynasty value. Also...a brute who won't go down is not "agile" simply because he steps out of a tackle. He may be agile for a brute but he's a long ways from agile. His speed/quickness is a very real liability. HOles in the NFL don't stay open long, and Torain doesn't have the quicks to fully exploit those holes when they (breifly) open. What he does have is the brute power to fall forward most of the time.Nightly Mistake said:
I own him in a couple of leagues...and I'm stoked about it but his realistic ceiling is as a low end #2 this year, and as a 'cuff/COP to next years first or second round pick in dynasty leagues.
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RedskinsFan
Footballguy
williams is the better pass blocker as wellqimqam said:
footballnerd
Footballguy
Brandon Jacobs 2.0
Looked like he had way more than 100 yds last night, oh well.
Looked like he had way more than 100 yds last night, oh well.
Really depends on the size of the league - 10 teams, then I agree, limited to bye-week filler; 12 - teams - low-mid end RB2; 14+ teams - every week starter.renesauz said:
With most teams going to RBBC, having a 1st and 2nd down RB, who is also the goal line back is good value.
I see his value as slightly below Grant's (prior to injury) - always under-rated, always putting up decent but not spectacular numbers. In other words, you probably don't want him as your Number 1 guy, but he will be a solid number 2 for a few years.
Shannahan obviously likes this guy, and will not likely invest in a RB with a top pick in the draft. So, unless Snyder goes out and signs Deangelo Williams - I think Torain keeps the job while healthy.
