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Footballguy
You all got trolled.
or Helu, or the guy they sign off the street who runs for 126 his first time out...I cant believe i got myself in this mess. If hightower is out, he has to be the guy, right, right?
Sir Chadwick
Footballguy
Torain will ride on my bench until I have no other options at RB. I'd rather keep Battle in over him right now.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Even if Hightower is out for a while?
In the one league I have them both, I took Hightower to fill my RB2 hole hoping he would pan out. He was actually going well (PPR) until Torain's breakout and maybe may have been a viable option the whole year if he didn't get dinged that game and of course an ACL this week. With Forte out, I have no other options. There is zilch for RB on the wire.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Or the right week!!I chose the wrong week to trade Hightower
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
#### you, Mike Shanahan. #### you.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
With all the players the redskins have hurt they will likely be playing from behind a bunch which doesn't bode well for the running game who ever the RB is going forward.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Im tempted to outright cut the guy and let someone else deal with the headache.
so this is how its going to go down an everyone knows it. Shanny will name Torain the starter. I will get sucked in again because RBs have had success against BUF, the recieving core just took a big loss and i will convince myself that he will be a good start.
Then on monday i will be in the "Week 8 Venting Thread" going
maybe or maybe not in that order
Then on monday i will be in the "Week 8 Venting Thread" going
maybe or maybe not in that order
killrobotkill
Footballguy
With the slew of RB injuries my roster has taken, I have no choice but to roll the dice with Torain this week again even though he's started the last two weeks for me and given me a grand total of 1 fantasy point. If any of my other guys were healthy and starting though, he'd be riding my bench until I see him have a solid game.
UnderDawgs
Footballguy
I've started with Hightower, but now have Torain. And as God as my witness, I'm DROPPING him. I don't want any part of him or his coach who sustains his own life on the blood of his RBs.
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
Do you think the play is: to trade Torain this week, maybe as part of a package; or hope he explodes and trade him next week?
northwoods
Footballguy
I'm having a hard time understanding the negativity about Torain in this thread lately. His biggest competitor for carries just went down with a season-ending knee injury, right? I think the backfield situation going forward just got clearer...
He's a hold and probably even a start in most leagues, especially with the RB chaos/injury we witnessed last week across the NFL.
He's a hold and probably even a start in most leagues, especially with the RB chaos/injury we witnessed last week across the NFL.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Easy, Tiger, you might be able to get a pack of gum and some paper clips for him. At least try to trade him first.'UnderDawgs said:
Really? There have been a few games where it was either declared that he was a starter, or the indications were that he was a starter, and he did nothing. Or in the case of last week, less than nothing. Sure, it looks a little better with Hightower out of the equation, but it's still hard to start this guy with any confidence, particularly with the line issues they're facing now.
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UnderDawgs
Footballguy
And, I'd take a pack of gum too. It's just trades in my league are few and far between. Helu's on the WW (well, come tomorrow the FA list). The thing is, once I drop him, he'll explode. Can't win.ETA: Barring any injures I'm doing okay with McCoy and Bradshaw. I have JBest hopefully recovering. Oh and, now DMurray. Torain can kiss it.
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Raiderfan32904
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In one league, I own Torain, in the other I own Helu. I also own McFadden/Bush. Why is that the combo of Torain/Helu still doesn't give me the warm fuzzies? Even if you own both, you may end up starting the wrong guy. Owning a defined starting RB and corresponding handcuff is worth the roster space. But owning either of Torain or Helu is a recipe for Sunday Morning acid reflux. It's impossible to gauge who has the value in Shanahan's system for torturing fantasy footballers. Just glad I didn't draft any of these guys. But the hard part is getting all juiced up about a good matchup and get played by Shanahanigans. It's hard to lose a tight game that could have been won with lesser drafted platoon type RB's that at least can get 8-10 points than get hosed by a game time pecking order scratch and end up with -0.5 points. Then you bench a Torain, and watch him go off for 126/1 again. Screw you Shanahan! 
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
Having Torain on your team shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus. 
shnikies
Footballguy
It's hard to make an argument that Torain shouldn't be owned in 10+ team leagues. If every team rosters at least 4 running backs, that means Torain has to be a top 40 back going forward to be owned, hard to say he isn't after the Hightower injury.Having Torain on your team in your starting lineup shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
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footballnerd
Footballguy
my only gripe is that Torain seems to need a lead or a close game to be effective, something I'm not envisioning too often with the current Moss-less situation. The defense is playing pretty bad too, and they could be down in a hurry this week. Wary start....
shnikies
Footballguy
The only hope is that Fred Davis keeps the strong safety out of the box.
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
Dynasty leagues would skew that argument a little, as the 40 RB's held contain some future talent that aren't going to be in the top 40 going forward.It's hard to make an argument that Torain shouldn't be owned in 10+ team leagues. If every team rosters at least 4 running backs, that means Torain has to be a top 40 back going forward to be owned, hard to say he isn't after the Hightower injury.Having Torain on your team in your starting lineup shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
shnikies
Footballguy
I don't think Torain's dynasty value differs that much from his redraft value. He's signed through 2012, Hightower won't be back, and if he stays healthy, I can see them keeping Torain and Helu as their two backs. They'll obviously have to add a back via the draft or free agency but there's a good enough chance Torain is the starting running back to make him worthwhile in dynasty.Dynasty leagues would skew that argument a little, as the 40 RB's held contain some future talent that aren't going to be in the top 40 going forward.It's hard to make an argument that Torain shouldn't be owned in 10+ team leagues. If every team rosters at least 4 running backs, that means Torain has to be a top 40 back going forward to be owned, hard to say he isn't after the Hightower injury.Having Torain on your team in your starting lineup shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
You are missing my point; it is not that Torain has dynasty value, it is that others have value and would push Torain out of the top-40 - even though they are not putting up numbers now.I don't think Torain's dynasty value differs that much from his redraft value. He's signed through 2012, Hightower won't be back, and if he stays healthy, I can see them keeping Torain and Helu as their two backs. They'll obviously have to add a back via the draft or free agency but there's a good enough chance Torain is the starting running back to make him worthwhile in dynasty.Dynasty leagues would skew that argument a little, as the 40 RB's held contain some future talent that aren't going to be in the top 40 going forward.It's hard to make an argument that Torain shouldn't be owned in 10+ team leagues. If every team rosters at least 4 running backs, that means Torain has to be a top 40 back going forward to be owned, hard to say he isn't after the Hightower injury.Having Torain on your team in your starting lineup shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
shnikies
Footballguy
I completely understand your point. My point is that I think Torain is still a top 40 back in dynasty.You are missing my point; it is not that Torain has dynasty value, it is that others have value and would push Torain out of the top-40 - even though they are not putting up numbers now.I don't think Torain's dynasty value differs that much from his redraft value. He's signed through 2012, Hightower won't be back, and if he stays healthy, I can see them keeping Torain and Helu as their two backs. They'll obviously have to add a back via the draft or free agency but there's a good enough chance Torain is the starting running back to make him worthwhile in dynasty.Dynasty leagues would skew that argument a little, as the 40 RB's held contain some future talent that aren't going to be in the top 40 going forward.It's hard to make an argument that Torain shouldn't be owned in 10+ team leagues. If every team rosters at least 4 running backs, that means Torain has to be a top 40 back going forward to be owned, hard to say he isn't after the Hightower injury.Having Torain on your team in your starting lineup shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
My error then. Obviously if he was on the WW he would be the #1 pick this week; which should mean that he has a very good value to trade, this week, no?I completely understand your point. My point is that I think Torain is still a top 40 back in dynasty.You are missing my point; it is not that Torain has dynasty value, it is that others have value and would push Torain out of the top-40 - even though they are not putting up numbers now.I don't think Torain's dynasty value differs that much from his redraft value. He's signed through 2012, Hightower won't be back, and if he stays healthy, I can see them keeping Torain and Helu as their two backs. They'll obviously have to add a back via the draft or free agency but there's a good enough chance Torain is the starting running back to make him worthwhile in dynasty.Dynasty leagues would skew that argument a little, as the 40 RB's held contain some future talent that aren't going to be in the top 40 going forward.It's hard to make an argument that Torain shouldn't be owned in 10+ team leagues. If every team rosters at least 4 running backs, that means Torain has to be a top 40 back going forward to be owned, hard to say he isn't after the Hightower injury.Having Torain on your team in your starting lineup shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
In dynasty there would be a lot more than 40RBs owned, even in 10 team leagues, so your point is kind of pointlessYou are missing my point; it is not that Torain has dynasty value, it is that others have value and would push Torain out of the top-40 - even though they are not putting up numbers now.I don't think Torain's dynasty value differs that much from his redraft value. He's signed through 2012, Hightower won't be back, and if he stays healthy, I can see them keeping Torain and Helu as their two backs. They'll obviously have to add a back via the draft or free agency but there's a good enough chance Torain is the starting running back to make him worthwhile in dynasty.Dynasty leagues would skew that argument a little, as the 40 RB's held contain some future talent that aren't going to be in the top 40 going forward.It's hard to make an argument that Torain shouldn't be owned in 10+ team leagues. If every team rosters at least 4 running backs, that means Torain has to be a top 40 back going forward to be owned, hard to say he isn't after the Hightower injury.Having Torain on your team in your starting lineup shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
UnderDawgs
Footballguy
At least the bus would get you there. Torain got me negative points this week.Having Torain on your team shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
Why? My dynasty has 4 RB per team; start 2, 2 reserves.In dynasty there would be a lot more than 40RBs owned, even in 10 team leagues, so your point is kind of pointlessYou are missing my point; it is not that Torain has dynasty value, it is that others have value and would push Torain out of the top-40 - even though they are not putting up numbers now.I don't think Torain's dynasty value differs that much from his redraft value. He's signed through 2012, Hightower won't be back, and if he stays healthy, I can see them keeping Torain and Helu as their two backs. They'll obviously have to add a back via the draft or free agency but there's a good enough chance Torain is the starting running back to make him worthwhile in dynasty.Dynasty leagues would skew that argument a little, as the 40 RB's held contain some future talent that aren't going to be in the top 40 going forward.It's hard to make an argument that Torain shouldn't be owned in 10+ team leagues. If every team rosters at least 4 running backs, that means Torain has to be a top 40 back going forward to be owned, hard to say he isn't after the Hightower injury.Having Torain on your team in your starting lineup shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
how many teams? usually the point of dynasty is to draft based on the potential. not really a dynasty then. more like a ....legacy league or somethinWhy? My dynasty has 4 RB per team; start 2, 2 reserves.In dynasty there would be a lot more than 40RBs owned, even in 10 team leagues, so your point is kind of pointlessYou are missing my point; it is not that Torain has dynasty value, it is that others have value and would push Torain out of the top-40 - even though they are not putting up numbers now.I don't think Torain's dynasty value differs that much from his redraft value. He's signed through 2012, Hightower won't be back, and if he stays healthy, I can see them keeping Torain and Helu as their two backs. They'll obviously have to add a back via the draft or free agency but there's a good enough chance Torain is the starting running back to make him worthwhile in dynasty.Dynasty leagues would skew that argument a little, as the 40 RB's held contain some future talent that aren't going to be in the top 40 going forward.It's hard to make an argument that Torain shouldn't be owned in 10+ team leagues. If every team rosters at least 4 running backs, that means Torain has to be a top 40 back going forward to be owned, hard to say he isn't after the Hightower injury.Having Torain on your team in your starting lineup shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
10 teams - very limited moves permitted, in season, per year. Not quite sure what the legacy label means as compared to dynasty but I won't quibble. We are a pretty old league, that has had the same two deep reserves, at every position, since our "founding". The concept of drafting for potential would lead credence to my position: some teams would almost surely roster guys with future potential, that are not really producing currently, at the expense of someone like Torain, who has a situation with his coach that leaves divining his week-to-week production very murky. My point in reference to Torain, is that there was a plausible reason why he would not be roster-ed in a 10-team league; albeit a limited one. What I am really trying to gauge is how high Torain's trade value is.how many teams? usually the point of dynasty is to draft based on the potential. not really a dynasty then. more like a ....legacy league or something.Why? My dynasty has 4 RB per team; start 2, 2 reserves.In dynasty there would be a lot more than 40RBs owned, even in 10 team leagues, so your point is kind of pointlessYou are missing my point; it is not that Torain has dynasty value, it is that others have value and would push Torain out of the top-40 - even though they are not putting up numbers now.I don't think Torain's dynasty value differs that much from his redraft value. He's signed through 2012, Hightower won't be back, and if he stays healthy, I can see them keeping Torain and Helu as their two backs. They'll obviously have to add a back via the draft or free agency but there's a good enough chance Torain is the starting running back to make him worthwhile in dynasty.Dynasty leagues would skew that argument a little, as the 40 RB's held contain some future talent that aren't going to be in the top 40 going forward.It's hard to make an argument that Torain shouldn't be owned in 10+ team leagues. If every team rosters at least 4 running backs, that means Torain has to be a top 40 back going forward to be owned, hard to say he isn't after the Hightower injury.Having Torain on your team in your starting lineup shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I dont get the point of a dynasty where you can only roster 4 RBs and Id assume 4-5WRs, etc. Hell, in my redrafts I pretty much always have at least 6 RBs. Your league is mostly dynasty by title.10 teams - very limited moves permitted, in season, per year. Not quite sure what the legacy label means as compared to dynasty but I won't quibble. We are a pretty old league, that has had the same two deep reserves, at every position, since our "founding". The concept of drafting for potential would lead credence to my position: some teams would almost surely roster guys with future potential, that are not really producing currently, at the expense of someone like Torain, who has a situation with his coach that leaves divining his week-to-week production very murky. My point in reference to Torain, is that there was a plausible reason why he would not be roster-ed in a 10-team league; albeit a limited one. What I am really trying to gauge is how high Torain's trade value is.how many teams? usually the point of dynasty is to draft based on the potential. not really a dynasty then. more like a ....legacy league or something.Why? My dynasty has 4 RB per team; start 2, 2 reserves.In dynasty there would be a lot more than 40RBs owned, even in 10 team leagues, so your point is kind of pointlessYou are missing my point; it is not that Torain has dynasty value, it is that others have value and would push Torain out of the top-40 - even though they are not putting up numbers now.I don't think Torain's dynasty value differs that much from his redraft value. He's signed through 2012, Hightower won't be back, and if he stays healthy, I can see them keeping Torain and Helu as their two backs. They'll obviously have to add a back via the draft or free agency but there's a good enough chance Torain is the starting running back to make him worthwhile in dynasty.Dynasty leagues would skew that argument a little, as the 40 RB's held contain some future talent that aren't going to be in the top 40 going forward.It's hard to make an argument that Torain shouldn't be owned in 10+ team leagues. If every team rosters at least 4 running backs, that means Torain has to be a top 40 back going forward to be owned, hard to say he isn't after the Hightower injury.Having Torain on your team in your starting lineup shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
How do you figure; with very little turn-over on rosters, I think that it really embraces a dynasty concept.I dont get the point of a dynasty where you can only roster 4 RBs and Id assume 4-5WRs, etc. Hell, in my redrafts I pretty much always have at least 6 RBs. Your league is mostly dynasty by title.10 teams - very limited moves permitted, in season, per year. Not quite sure what the legacy label means as compared to dynasty but I won't quibble. We are a pretty old league, that has had the same two deep reserves, at every position, since our "founding". The concept of drafting for potential would lead credence to my position: some teams would almost surely roster guys with future potential, that are not really producing currently, at the expense of someone like Torain, who has a situation with his coach that leaves divining his week-to-week production very murky. My point in reference to Torain, is that there was a plausible reason why he would not be roster-ed in a 10-team league; albeit a limited one. What I am really trying to gauge is how high Torain's trade value is.how many teams? usually the point of dynasty is to draft based on the potential. not really a dynasty then. more like a ....legacy league or something.Why? My dynasty has 4 RB per team; start 2, 2 reserves.In dynasty there would be a lot more than 40RBs owned, even in 10 team leagues, so your point is kind of pointlessYou are missing my point; it is not that Torain has dynasty value, it is that others have value and would push Torain out of the top-40 - even though they are not putting up numbers now.I don't think Torain's dynasty value differs that much from his redraft value. He's signed through 2012, Hightower won't be back, and if he stays healthy, I can see them keeping Torain and Helu as their two backs. They'll obviously have to add a back via the draft or free agency but there's a good enough chance Torain is the starting running back to make him worthwhile in dynasty.Dynasty leagues would skew that argument a little, as the 40 RB's held contain some future talent that aren't going to be in the top 40 going forward.It's hard to make an argument that Torain shouldn't be owned in 10+ team leagues. If every team rosters at least 4 running backs, that means Torain has to be a top 40 back going forward to be owned, hard to say he isn't after the Hightower injury.Having Torain on your team in your starting lineup shows just how hard up you are for a RB. It's like driving your Dad's old hooptie to school your senior year of high school - really sucks but it's better than taking the school bus.
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Ok i get that everyone has their own league and almost every league is different. But when you post on a message board sayin that he shouldnt be rostered because he is not in the top 40 going forward for a dynasty. Your league is not relevant to how a majority of dynasty leagues are set up.
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pittstownkiller
Footballguy
I guess that is why I stated that the example was "a limited one". It is not like Torain has done much initially, or after his one monster game, to remain on a fantasy roster; add to this his unpredictable coach, injury issues, his actual weekly performances, Helu (and Hightower) in the mix, and the need to cull talent long-term (even in small) dynasty leagues, I could make a point that Torain may not deserve a place on a roster - even though the "point" is probably in the minority of cases. It is not a big issue to me and was really just an off-hand remark. FWIW, I own Torain in both my leagues; a case of buyer's remorse, maybe?
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shnikies
Footballguy
I guess that is why I stated that the example was "a limited one". It is not like Torain has done much initially, or after his one monster game, to remain on a fantasy roster; add to this his unpredictable coach, injury issues, his actual weekly performances, Helu (and Hightower) in the mix, and the need to cull talent long-term (even in small) dynasty leagues, I could make a point that Torain may not deserve a place on a roster - even though the "point" is probably in the minority of cases. It is not a big issue to me and was really just an off-hand remark. FWIW, I own Torain in both my leagues; a case of buyer's remorse, maybe?
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
Don't ask and you won't be disappointed. The Hightower reference was for earlier in the season, to show that he might of been on the WW before his big game and remained there after because of depth chart issues. I still would love to know what you, or anyone, thinks Torain's trade value is this week; I think it is a it's pinnacle unless he blows up this weekend.I guess that is why I stated that the example was "a limited one". It is not like Torain has done much initially, or after his one monster game, to remain on a fantasy roster; add to this his unpredictable coach, injury issues, his actual weekly performances, Helu (and Hightower) in the mix, and the need to cull talent long-term (even in small) dynasty leagues, I could make a point that Torain may not deserve a place on a roster - even though the "point" is probably in the minority of cases. It is not a big issue to me and was really just an off-hand remark. FWIW, I own Torain in both my leagues; a case of buyer's remorse, maybe?
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shnikies
Footballguy
You said Hightower is in the mix, hence theDon't ask and you won't be disappointed. The Hightower reference was for earlier in the season, to show that he might of been on the WW before his big game and remained there after because of depth chart issues. I still would love to know what you, or anyone, thinks Torain's trade value is this week; I think it is a it's pinnacle unless he blows up this weekend.I guess that is why I stated that the example was "a limited one". It is not like Torain has done much initially, or after his one monster game, to remain on a fantasy roster; add to this his unpredictable coach, injury issues, his actual weekly performances, Helu (and Hightower) in the mix, and the need to cull talent long-term (even in small) dynasty leagues, I could make a point that Torain may not deserve a place on a roster - even though the "point" is probably in the minority of cases. It is not a big issue to me and was really just an off-hand remark. FWIW, I own Torain in both my leagues; a case of buyer's remorse, maybe?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
"Roy Helu, however, saw plenty of action. He played 33 of the 67 offensive snaps. That is two more than Hightower had and, of course, 30 more than Torain.Helu played every snap of the Redskins’ final four possessions while Torain watched."If Torain gets off to a slow start...http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/redskins-talk/post/-?blockID=582562&feedID=6355http://www.csnwashington.com/10/25/11/Redskins-Rewind-Week-7-playing-time/landing.html?blockID=582516&feedID=6458
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
Hightower was in parenthesis, to isolate him from the sentence; he played a part in the equation of Torain being on the waiver-wire but doesn't currently - have we finished with this issue? Can someone just give their opinion on Torain's current trade value because, honestly, it is all going to become moot soon.You said Hightower is in the mix, hence theDon't ask and you won't be disappointed. The Hightower reference was for earlier in the season, to show that he might of been on the WW before his big game and remained there after because of depth chart issues. I still would love to know what you, or anyone, thinks Torain's trade value is this week; I think it is a it's pinnacle unless he blows up this weekend.I guess that is why I stated that the example was "a limited one". It is not like Torain has done much initially, or after his one monster game, to remain on a fantasy roster; add to this his unpredictable coach, injury issues, his actual weekly performances, Helu (and Hightower) in the mix, and the need to cull talent long-term (even in small) dynasty leagues, I could make a point that Torain may not deserve a place on a roster - even though the "point" is probably in the minority of cases. It is not a big issue to me and was really just an off-hand remark. FWIW, I own Torain in both my leagues; a case of buyer's remorse, maybe?
