Ryan Williams - Serious Injury Tonight (1 Viewer)

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

I keep getting a picture of Tim sitting around a table drafting with his parents and siblings telling them to take a pick back because they could do much better by picking another player.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

Really unfortunate for Williams.Does this push him into the 2nd in rookie drafts?

Sadly, I think he's undraftable until we see how his recovery goes. He's a deep stash in dynasty leagues, if anything. That hurts to say since many (including me) blew our high firsts on him.

 

[chem]

Not that Beanie is this year's Foster, but the ADP effects are the same. This is why you draft early.

Such a dumb statement (from an OU guy, no wonder! hah). Season-ending injuries to commonly drafted players in the early preseason are why you draft late! The impact of injuries on the integrity of a redraft league is far more important than whether or not a couple dudes thought Beanie Wells was a 'huge sleeper'.

 

[DoubleG]

Really unfortunate for Williams.Does this push him into the 2nd in rookie drafts?

Honestly, given the fact that some (like RW) are saying "potentially career threatening" and that with the long rehab, next year isn't even guaranteed - it might be much further down...if at all.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Not that Beanie is this year's Foster, but the ADP effects are the same. This is why you draft early.

Such a dumb statement (from an OU guy, no wonder! hah). Season-ending injuries to commonly drafted players in the early preseason are why you draft late! The impact of injuries on the integrity of a redraft league is far more important than whether or not a couple dudes thought Beanie Wells was a 'huge sleeper'.

The draft early vs. draft late is nothing but personal preference. If you want to draft late, then draft late. If you want to draft early, then draft early. There is no right or wrong answer. I play in multiple redraft leagues and I draft early in some and late in others. I would rather draft early if I had to choose only one...but that's just my preference. It's not right or wrong.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Really unfortunate for Williams.Does this push him into the 2nd in rookie drafts?

Honestly, given the fact that some (like RW) are saying "potentially career threatening" and that with the long rehab, next year isn't even guaranteed - it might be much further down...if at all.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same injury Cadillac Williams had. I can't recall another RB who has had it more recent than that.

 

[DansRams]

Really unfortunate for Williams.Does this push him into the 2nd in rookie drafts?

Honestly, given the fact that some (like RW) are saying "potentially career threatening" and that with the long rehab, next year isn't even guaranteed - it might be much further down...if at all.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same injury Cadillac Williams had. I can't recall another RB who has had it more recent than that.

Buckhalter had 2 injuries like this I believe. He will come back and will probably be 90 to 95 percent of what he could have been (in 2 yrs)

 

[tim_whatley]

i put in some decent work to get back to speed and was able to run, jump and cycle after 7 months. as i said, i'm not an athletic person - the most athletic thing i was doing at the time was probably snowboarding. i was able to bounce around, dance to techno music and run from cops. i was back to normal at 7 months.

That's sig worthy. "yeah man, it sucked but I busted my ###. 7 months later I was dancing, partying, running from the cops, back to normal man."

 

[DoubleG]

Really unfortunate for Williams.Does this push him into the 2nd in rookie drafts?

Honestly, given the fact that some (like RW) are saying "potentially career threatening" and that with the long rehab, next year isn't even guaranteed - it might be much further down...if at all.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same injury Cadillac Williams had. I can't recall another RB who has had it more recent than that.

Buckhalter had 2 injuries like this I believe. He will come back and will probably be 90 to 95 percent of what he could have been (in 2 yrs)

Sadly, that 5-10% might be the difference in speed/cutting ability between a stud NFL RB and an average run-of-the mill NFL RB. I hope for the kid's sake he can come back at 100% - at least enough to make a career out of doing something he is so gifted at.

 

[Andrew Garda]

Really unfortunate for Williams.Does this push him into the 2nd in rookie drafts?

Honestly, given the fact that some (like RW) are saying "potentially career threatening" and that with the long rehab, next year isn't even guaranteed - it might be much further down...if at all.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same injury Cadillac Williams had. I can't recall another RB who has had it more recent than that.

Waldman has an article talking about that a bit on his site today and yeah I think it's caddy's injury.Man people dropping like FLIES.

 

[aardball44]

Whoops got it reversed. I ended up with Bradford and gave away newton.

......sure you did

Right. Because I care that much about the way I'm perceived on an online message board/site that I know next to nothing about filled with people I'll never meet.In any case, Mark Clayton suffered the same injury last year and is still working his way back. Could put next year in jeopardy.

I agree with this part, at least.

 

[tim_whatley]

To Football Jesus' move, yes it was very bush league and terribly poor form. My two leagues are highly competitive with zero turnover, some have been in existence almost 15 years. But if you pulled that #### in our league you'd be either kicked out immediately or not invited back next season. There's no reason to totally mislead a guy, this isn't the cold war and your opponent's not communist China. I don't even know why you would want to win that way, even if you could get away with it? You didn't display any superior skill than the guy you traded with, you just proved you were more of a tool at home on your computer on a Friday night and therefore knew about an injury that he did not. Dude should have done his own DD, but that is still weaksauce of the highest order on Hey-Sues' part. Bad form dude, bad form.

As a wise man once told me, "karma, it's what keeps me up at night". You've got some bad moons rising your way.

 

[AmosMoses]

To Football Jesus' move, yes it was very bush league and terribly poor form. My two leagues are highly competetive with zero turnover, some have been in existance almost 15 years. But if you pulled that #### in our league you'd be either kicked out immediately or not invited back next season. There's no reason to totally mislead a guy, this isn't the cold war and your opponent's not communist China. I don't even know why you would want to win that way, even if you could get away with it? You didn't display any superior skill than the guy you traded with, you just prooved you were more of a tool at home on your computer on a Friday night and therefore knew about an injury that he did not. Dude should have doen his own DD, but that is still weaksauce of the highest order on Hey-Sues' part. Bad form dude, bad form. As a wise man once told me, "karma, it's what keeps me up at night". You've got some bad moons rising your way.

Sounds like a crappy league.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I don't think Williams of Arizona has anywhere near Cadillac type talent. I wouldn't cut all hope but to me I think it's likely that we will only get to fantasize about what RWs career could have been. Seeing How Cadillac career panned out after this injury is a major warning sign, Cadillac pre injury was more special than RW. If I was in a dynasty I would trade him for just about anything, a Wells owner would likely give something.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Really unfortunate for Williams.Does this push him into the 2nd in rookie drafts?

Honestly, given the fact that some (like RW) are saying "potentially career threatening" and that with the long rehab, next year isn't even guaranteed - it might be much further down...if at all.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same injury Cadillac Williams had. I can't recall another RB who has had it more recent than that.

Buckhalter had 2 injuries like this I believe. He will come back and will probably be 90 to 95 percent of what he could have been (in 2 yrs)

Yes, Correll Buckhalter had torn patellar tendons in both knees over the course of his career - he was a valuable situational player both before and after the injuries, but the rehab is a long one.

 

[Stealthycat]

But if you pulled that #### in our league you'd be either kicked out immediately or not invited back next season

100% agree and maybe his league will do that

 

[JoeSteeler]

buy low

 

[Multiple Scores]

buy low

Not a chance. Cadillac is the lesson here and he had more talent.

 

[golfguy]

buy low

Not a chance. Cadillac is the lesson here and he had more talent.

i don't think caddy had more talent, and caddy had more then 1 serious injury in his career.

 

[Underachievers]

But if you pulled that #### in our league you'd be either kicked out immediately or not invited back next season

100% agree and maybe his league will do that

While I must agree that it was a crap move on his part and also something that I would never do....when does the accepting manager take responsibility for his team and the trades he makes? I would not kick anyone out of the league over it...but I would think the league managers will have learned a valuable lesson on trading.

 

[ty247]

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/138682

From Kent Somers:

A ruptured patellar tendon is such an unusual injury that a busy orthopedic surgeon might see only a handful of them in a year.

Cardinals running back Ryan Williams suffered one in his right knee on Friday night and is expected to undergo surgery early this week, coach Ken Whisenhunt said.

I was able to reach Dr. Daniel Kharrazi, orthopedic surgeon at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Los Angeles, to briefly explain the surgery and the rehab timeframe Williams faces.

"The surgery itself is not very difficult," Dr. Kharrazi said. "You basically reconstruct the mechanism that allows you to extend your leg when you run. When the tendon ruptures, it gets a little frayed. You clean up the tendon, drill holes through the patella, or the kneecap, and reattach the tendon."

The hard part comes after surgery. The leg is immobilized in a brace for a month. After the tendon has healed, usually a total of six to eight weeks after surgery, then the patient can begin rehab, Dr. Kharrazi said.

"The No. 1 thing is, when you are in a brace for that long, you have a lot of quadricep atrophy. That's what takes two to three months."

So a patient is looking at "five to six months" between surgery and the time he can return to the level of his previous activity. If all goes well, Williams should be able to return to action in 2012 with no problem, Dr. Kharrazi said.

"I don't think he'll miss a beat," he said.

 

[grtwhtsk]

Any idea when he will be placed on IR? Leshoure cleared waivers and so I would assume Williams would as well.

 

[Multiple Scores]

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/138682From Kent Somers:A ruptured patellar tendon is such an unusual injury that a busy orthopedic surgeon might see only a handful of them in a year.Cardinals running back Ryan Williams suffered one in his right knee on Friday night and is expected to undergo surgery early this week, coach Ken Whisenhunt said.I was able to reach Dr. Daniel Kharrazi, orthopedic surgeon at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Los Angeles, to briefly explain the surgery and the rehab timeframe Williams faces."The surgery itself is not very difficult," Dr. Kharrazi said. "You basically reconstruct the mechanism that allows you to extend your leg when you run. When the tendon ruptures, it gets a little frayed. You clean up the tendon, drill holes through the patella, or the kneecap, and reattach the tendon."The hard part comes after surgery. The leg is immobilized in a brace for a month. After the tendon has healed, usually a total of six to eight weeks after surgery, then the patient can begin rehab, Dr. Kharrazi said."The No. 1 thing is, when you are in a brace for that long, you have a lot of quadricep atrophy. That's what takes two to three months."So a patient is looking at "five to six months" between surgery and the time he can return to the level of his previous activity. If all goes well, Williams should be able to return to action in 2012 with no problem, Dr. Kharrazi said."I don't think he'll miss a beat," he said.

To me this is the same as a guy fixing an engine on a car. Do we really expect him to say after he fixes the engine it will break down soon. Of course he thinks all is well, doctors have god complexes.

 

[JoeSteeler]

http://www.azcentral...ntSomers/138682

From Kent Somers:

A ruptured patellar tendon is such an unusual injury that a busy orthopedic surgeon might see only a handful of them in a year.

Cardinals running back Ryan Williams suffered one in his right knee on Friday night and is expected to undergo surgery early this week, coach Ken Whisenhunt said.

I was able to reach Dr. Daniel Kharrazi, orthopedic surgeon at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Los Angeles, to briefly explain the surgery and the rehab timeframe Williams faces.

"The surgery itself is not very difficult," Dr. Kharrazi said. "You basically reconstruct the mechanism that allows you to extend your leg when you run. When the tendon ruptures, it gets a little frayed. You clean up the tendon, drill holes through the patella, or the kneecap, and reattach the tendon."

The hard part comes after surgery. The leg is immobilized in a brace for a month. After the tendon has healed, usually a total of six to eight weeks after surgery, then the patient can begin rehab, Dr. Kharrazi said.

"The No. 1 thing is, when you are in a brace for that long, you have a lot of quadricep atrophy. That's what takes two to three months."

So a patient is looking at "five to six months" between surgery and the time he can return to the level of his previous activity. If all goes well, Williams should be able to return to action in 2012 with no problem, Dr. Kharrazi said.

"I don't think he'll miss a beat," he said.

To me this is the same as a guy fixing an engine on a car. Do we really expect him to say after he fixes the engine it will break down soon. Of course he thinks all is well, doctors have god complexes.

Does it say this guy was the DR that did the surgery? It may and i just missed it.

 

[JoeSteeler]

Any idea when he will be placed on IR? Leshoure cleared waivers and so I would assume Williams would as well.

 

[ty247]

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/138682From Kent Somers:A ruptured patellar tendon is such an unusual injury that a busy orthopedic surgeon might see only a handful of them in a year.Cardinals running back Ryan Williams suffered one in his right knee on Friday night and is expected to undergo surgery early this week, coach Ken Whisenhunt said.I was able to reach Dr. Daniel Kharrazi, orthopedic surgeon at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Los Angeles, to briefly explain the surgery and the rehab timeframe Williams faces."The surgery itself is not very difficult," Dr. Kharrazi said. "You basically reconstruct the mechanism that allows you to extend your leg when you run. When the tendon ruptures, it gets a little frayed. You clean up the tendon, drill holes through the patella, or the kneecap, and reattach the tendon."The hard part comes after surgery. The leg is immobilized in a brace for a month. After the tendon has healed, usually a total of six to eight weeks after surgery, then the patient can begin rehab, Dr. Kharrazi said."The No. 1 thing is, when you are in a brace for that long, you have a lot of quadricep atrophy. That's what takes two to three months."So a patient is looking at "five to six months" between surgery and the time he can return to the level of his previous activity. If all goes well, Williams should be able to return to action in 2012 with no problem, Dr. Kharrazi said."I don't think he'll miss a beat," he said.

To me this is the same as a guy fixing an engine on a car. Do we really expect him to say after he fixes the engine it will break down soon. Of course he thinks all is well, doctors have god complexes.

It wasn't THE doctor that did the surgery.. it was A doctor that does the surgeries for a living, and that could give a detailed explanation of the surgery and rehabilitation involved.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Yes. And if he said to stick a fork in him it would be bad for business and put a serious dent in his god complex. Both of my Parents (aunt and uncle actually who raised me) are doctors who have done thousands of surgeries and trust me there is a god complex when it comes to work.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/138682From Kent Somers:A ruptured patellar tendon is such an unusual injury that a busy orthopedic surgeon might see only a handful of them in a year.Cardinals running back Ryan Williams suffered one in his right knee on Friday night and is expected to undergo surgery early this week, coach Ken Whisenhunt said.I was able to reach Dr. Daniel Kharrazi, orthopedic surgeon at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Los Angeles, to briefly explain the surgery and the rehab timeframe Williams faces."The surgery itself is not very difficult," Dr. Kharrazi said. "You basically reconstruct the mechanism that allows you to extend your leg when you run. When the tendon ruptures, it gets a little frayed. You clean up the tendon, drill holes through the patella, or the kneecap, and reattach the tendon."The hard part comes after surgery. The leg is immobilized in a brace for a month. After the tendon has healed, usually a total of six to eight weeks after surgery, then the patient can begin rehab, Dr. Kharrazi said."The No. 1 thing is, when you are in a brace for that long, you have a lot of quadricep atrophy. That's what takes two to three months."So a patient is looking at "five to six months" between surgery and the time he can return to the level of his previous activity. If all goes well, Williams should be able to return to action in 2012 with no problem, Dr. Kharrazi said."I don't think he'll miss a beat," he said.

To me this is the same as a guy fixing an engine on a car. Do we really expect him to say after he fixes the engine it will break down soon. Of course he thinks all is well, doctors have god complexes.

It wasn't THE doctor that did the surgery.. it was A doctor that does the surgeries for a living, and that could give a detailed explanation of the surgery and rehabilitation involved.