Ryan Williams vs Mikel Leshoure vs Daniel Thomas vs Shane Vereen (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

after day 2 of the draft none of these got any competition, any thoughts; good time to buys these guys

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

Could see detroit showing interest in lamar miller while he's still out there

 

[jurb26]

Could see detroit showing interest in lamar miller while he's still out there

Something tells me Miller is off of Det's board altogether. They already have 2 injury risk RBs and I'm guessing they don't want to bother with another. Especially seeing that he may miss a great portion of this season becasue of surgery.

 

[Sabertooth]

after day 2 of the draft none of these got any competition, any thoughts; good time to buys these guys

I think so. Especially Vereen. If he can pick up the slack for BJGE and eat into the running back catches, I think he could have a nice top 20 season pretty easily.

 

[cstu]

No RB's for any of these teams.

 

[Heep]

No RB's for any of these teams.

Lamar Miller...

 

[ChainsawU]

I want to know what Vereen's offseason schedule has looked like. Dude was jacked coming out of college. And smart too. After he basically redshirted last year, I see nothing but good things in the future (dynasty owner).

 

[cstu]

No RB's for any of these teams.

Lamar Miller...

Whoops, I was only focusing on Williams, Leshoure and Vereen in this thread.

 

[lbouchard]

Vereen now pulling away, as is to be expected

 

[TheLurkerBelow]

1. ThomasBush sucks...no way he continues 2011 into 2012. Thomas also gets a full off-season. More RBBC this year and more chances for Thomas. Highest floor out of the four.2. VereenVereen is a much better player than Ridley. Much more explosive. Better receiving skills and the ability to be featured and play goal-line. He was also ahead of Ridley last year until he got injured in the shortened off-season. Vereen also won the practice player of the week several times if I remember correctly. Ridley also has a fumbling problem. Highest ceiling out of the four.3. LeShoureAchilles? He's done. He's only higher than Williams cause he has an injury prone RB in front of him and Williams' injury just sounds nasty.4. WilliamsWells solidified his starting status in Arizona IMO...and torn patella tendon is bad...Williams skills were from his explosiveness and that's gone for sure. His kneecap was in his thigh...I don't think he's going to be near the same ever again.

I'm pretty much of the same opinion of whatadai on this. You have to remember that Tendon injuries are much more difficult to come back from than ligament injuries. Unlike an ACL that we're seeing real production the following year, most players who do return from tendon tears are never the same. I did a lot of online research before last year's dynasty draft with the thought that I might use a late first round pick on LeShoure, in the end I traded the pick away. That said, Demarius Thomas came back pretty strong from a partial tendon tear, so it does happen.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Fins moving a lot of picks for RBs these past 2 yrs. But yeah, Miller hurts Thomas' but more so Reggie's value... pretty much the replacement.

it surprising that Thomas was the only one in this list that say competition get drafted, NE / Det / Zona will most likely bring in the vets for a look now

 

[RavenLunatic]

Sitting on Williams and Vereen in a keeper league and anxious to see how training camp and mini camp unfolds.

Vereen looked good in his only action of the year. Ridley looked more like BJGE or Hightower. More there than expected but not necessarily special.

 

[griff321]

Demarco Murray

 

[finito]

Demarco Murray

I don't think Murray's in this league really, he holds more value than these other guys.

 

[cobalt_27]

Demarco Murray

Ray Rice, what do I win?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Demarco Murray

I don't think Murray's in this league really, he holds more value than these other guys.

Murray consider top 10, not really in this class

 

[FF Ninja]

Even before his legal troubles, Leshoure's injury scared me away.

I didn't think Williams would beat out Beanie before he blew out his knee. Beanie should have no worries now.

I suppose Vereen is a hold for now, but I fully expect Ridley to be the lead back going forward.

Daniel Thomas is the only one I'd want at this point. At least he has shown enough to challenge Bush for the lead.

I was about to go to page 2 to post when I saw this post which summarizes my thoughts. The only other thing I was going to say is, I can't believe there are ANY votes for LeShoure. I liked him before the injury, but I'm not sure he'll ever amount to anything after a torn achilles. He ranks a very distant 4th on this list. I also agree with the sentiment that Beanie was the better back before Williams' injury. I thought I was the only person who thought that... quite a bit of Williams hype last year and a lot of people sticking a fork in Beanie.

 

[cstu]

Published Mon May 7 10:59:00 a.m. PT 2012(Rotoworld) Ryan Williams revealed that he is already running and making cuts on his surgically repaired right knee.Analysis: Williams underwent surgery to repair a torn patella tendon in addition to meniscus damage on August 22, so he's just under nine months removed. "I am running and cutting and doing things I didn't think I'd be doing this early," he said. "I'm not worried about it." The Cards didn't draft a back or even sign an undrafted free agent. They're clearly counting on Williams for 2012.

 

[karl722]

With Addai signing in NE (we all know how BB loves veteran RBs), Miller going to Miami, and Detroit kicking the wheels on Ryan Grant, Williams is looking pretty good among this bunch.

 

[acme]

2. Vereen

Vereen is a much better player than Ridley. Much more explosive. Better receiving skills and the ability to be featured and play goal-line. He was also ahead of Ridley last year until he got injured in the shortened off-season. Vereen also won the practice player of the week several times if I remember correctly. Ridley also has a fumbling problem. Highest ceiling out of the four.

i tend to agree on Vereen. but all reports from www.footballguys.com suggest that:

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Addai will compete with Danny Woodhead to be the team's change of pace, third-down RB. Second-year RB Stevan Ridley will be the team's primary ballcarrier.

so why no love from Joe and his staff? OR... why no love from the Pats?

what gives with Vereen and the reports he'll be behind not only Ridley, but also Woodhead and Addai?

 

[JaYz0618]

I think people just assume ridley because vereen was a non factor last year. This has a camp competition written all over it. I expect vereen to walk away with a decent sized role in that backfield. Watch his tape, he has talent.

 

[cstu]

2. Vereen

Vereen is a much better player than Ridley. Much more explosive. Better receiving skills and the ability to be featured and play goal-line. He was also ahead of Ridley last year until he got injured in the shortened off-season. Vereen also won the practice player of the week several times if I remember correctly. Ridley also has a fumbling problem. Highest ceiling out of the four.

i tend to agree on Vereen. but all reports from www.footballguys.com suggest that:

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Addai will compete with Danny Woodhead to be the team's change of pace, third-down RB. Second-year RB Stevan Ridley will be the team's primary ballcarrier.

so why no love from Joe and his staff? OR... why no love from the Pats?

what gives with Vereen and the reports he'll be behind not only Ridley, but also Woodhead and Addai?

Can he block?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Again I am seeing posts that say Vereen has very good talent and watch his tape which is apparently supposed to trump Ridley at this stage?

Ridley actually played last year and showed well with his 87 rushing attempts at 5.1 ypc.

Ridley is far from proven, but he is more so at the NFL level than Vereen.

I really don't know who is the play at this stage, but I think there is a stronger case for Ridley to get the most touches vs anyone right now.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Again I am seeing posts that say Vereen has very good talent and watch his tape which is apparently supposed to trump Ridley at this stage?Ridley actually played last year and showed well with his 87 rushing attempts at 5.1 ypc.Ridley is far from proven, but he is more so at the NFL level than Vereen. I really don't know who is the play at this stage, but I think there is a stronger case for Ridley to get the most touches vs anyone right now.

I didn't see much at all that impressed me from Ridley. I think he's just "a guy" and not "THE guy"

 

[djmich]

2. VereenVereen is a much better player than Ridley. Much more explosive. Better receiving skills and the ability to be featured and play goal-line. He was also ahead of Ridley last year until he got injured in the shortened off-season. Vereen also won the practice player of the week several times if I remember correctly. Ridley also has a fumbling problem. Highest ceiling out of the four.i tend to agree on Vereen. but all reports from www.footballguys.com suggest that:[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ OUR VIEW ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]Addai will compete with Danny Woodhead to be the team's change of pace, third-down RB. Second-year RB Stevan Ridley will be the team's primary ballcarrier. so why no love from Joe and his staff? OR... why no love from the Pats?what gives with Vereen and the reports he'll be behind not only Ridley, but also Woodhead and Addai?

Any forecast that pretends to know who the primary pats ballcarrier is next year is talking out of their rear.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Week 3 - 2012

Williams almost got 100 total yards against Philly / Leshoure finally hit the field for 134 total and a TD / Dan Thomas didn't look bad and may get a couple of starts while Bush sits

 

[Apeman]

Is it time for Williams to break out? The talent it's there and Beanie's toe might open up the opportunity. I was scared away by the terrible line preseason. Are they looking any better?

 

[cstu]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

I haven't looked to see what athletes have come back from an achilles tear but you can compare D. Thomas if it was in fact the same injury. WRs have to push with power as well. They have to get off the line when the ball is snapped, plant and cut going in and out of routes and they have to jump, which tests the Achilles tendon more than anything. FWIW, both injuries (Williams/LeShoure) can be career ending.

Here's Irvin talking to WR's about coming out of breaks and the pressure on their legs. If after surgery Thomas can come back and do that then I think Leshoure can. I do agree that Williams is more risky but medical science has come a long way.

Until I see with my own eyes a RB return from that injury and be as good as he was before tearing his Achilles up, then I say no thanks on LeShoure.

Who was the last noteworthy RB to suffer an achilles tear?

Probably the last one was LenDale White. Also Andre Brown and Edgar Bennett. I'm sure there are a few RBs that never became well known because of the injury. I would be very surprised if throughout NFL history no future stud RBs ever suffered a ruptured Achilles.

Big week for Andre Brown too. Took him a few years to recover but he's looking good.