dickey moe
Fingerpicker
When asked about Culpepper: "I think he did a good job."
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Culpepper was fine until that interception, then he had a complete meltdown.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
totally disagree. Culpepper was garbage tonight. I lost count of how many underthrown/overthrown balls he had.
The Shizzle
Footballguy
Your right. If only Chambers got FF points for passes thrown at his shins or 8 feet outta the endzone.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
That ball he overthrew Chambers on Taylor had control of and should have been the first INT of the night. Culpepper cost them this game and Fins should get used to it like the Vikes did last year.
jonessed
Footballguy
He's either full of crap or totally blind.
Koya
Footballguy
The fact is, Culpepper is the QB of a team that will be able to move the ball well against most foes.
If his first game back means a meltdown at the end and a few rusty red zone passes away from a really good night, I can deal with that. He looked healthy out there and passed for a good number of yards against a very good D.
Overall, encouraging. Not great, but very encouraging.
New team, post injury adjustment and rust - not bad for a first game and a couple breaks away from a pretty good FF day.
If his first game back means a meltdown at the end and a few rusty red zone passes away from a really good night, I can deal with that. He looked healthy out there and passed for a good number of yards against a very good D.
Overall, encouraging. Not great, but very encouraging.
New team, post injury adjustment and rust - not bad for a first game and a couple breaks away from a pretty good FF day.
Pedro Cerrano Fan
Footballguy
Yep, I thought I was watching Vince Young circa 2004. Short hop after short hop.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
And I cringed as Saban tried to explain his way out of the "no-challenge" situation. Trying to pass off his indecision because "completion plays" are seldom overturned. The play had nothing to do with the completion, it had everything to do with spotting the ball and denying a non-touchdown. Weak 
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It is the same way he played last year before he was hurt. A pattern is emerging.
wargs
Footballguy
Easy on C-pep. He had a couple of poor throws(rust). I think most Qbs don't stand a chance when they end up one dimensional against that defense. I love the fact that Lebeau seems to turn the dogs loose instead of playing prevent.
Koya
Footballguy
Considering this was his first game back, Id say you have to be optimistic. If we see this for a few games, then you have the pattern.He may have some inconsistency, but they have a good RB and some good WRs. Booker and Welker give you some nice, and very different, options out there depth wise.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Culpepper will get better as the season goes along.
Why:
1) He missed a lot of throws tonight. This (IMO) was due to the fact that he did no trust his O-line. Which by the way, did a pretty darn good job most of the game (against arguably the best D). He hurried throws and was out of rythym.
2) Run blocking was terrible, can only get better vs. easier schedule (+ time for corrections).
Why:
1) He missed a lot of throws tonight. This (IMO) was due to the fact that he did no trust his O-line. Which by the way, did a pretty darn good job most of the game (against arguably the best D). He hurried throws and was out of rythym.
2) Run blocking was terrible, can only get better vs. easier schedule (+ time for corrections).
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Vintage_Football
Footballguy
I guess he was a couple of breaks away from a big FF day,....wait a minute,....ISN'T EVERYONE. 
None_More_Black
Footballguy
It will be interesting to see what c-pepp can do with a running game that opponents will have to respect. Never really had that before. Looked rusty tonight, not horrible. (although that throw to chambers in the endzone when he was wide open was pretty bad)
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joffer
Footballguy
new here?
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Some of those throws looked like he kneed them there in the first place! His knees were fine. I think he was thinking of his next boat excursion in the 4th Qtr. A lot of water near Miami I hear?!
Sinrman
Footballguy
Though Culpepper threw 2 INTs and had a meltdown in the second half, I was encouraged by what I saw (well, until near the end). He was moving around well, which was my biggest concern. Relax people. He was up against a very stingy defense, perhaps one of the top 2 in the league in his Dolphin debut. He'll be fine...
Koya
Footballguy
Sure, go ahead and laugh while you miss the entire point of my post.Encouraging = big picture. When looking at a season, he actually got me some points and looked good physically against a very good D. The team was in scoring position and you know a certain number of those are going to be passes.All in all, not a bad start for Dante's fantasy season - though his mistakes could prove more costly for the Fins. And for the record, not everyone is in position to score, so not everyone is a break or two away... and close to getting points dont count - unless you are judging a players future potential, which we are.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
The Jerk
Footballguy
From the FF perspective, if Brown sheds one more tackle and gets Daunte a TD, most people aren't nearly as concerned if they own him. However, from a pure football standpoint, there were a dozen or more throws that looked really bad. I'll concede that playing for a new team and a new system and shaking off rust and recovering from an injury is something that takes time and the Steelers are not an ideal opener given all of those considerations, but there were a lot of :X throws in the second half.
ydub
Footballguy
Why so conservative? He's capable of much more than that.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Ha, I'm a C-pep owner and his rubbish performance had nothing to do with his knee. He looked just like the same guy who ate #### last year in Minny before he got hurt. Sorry folks. Just different unis.
And wtf is up with his throwing motion? Did he always throw like Uncle Rico or is this a side-effect of compensating for the knee thing ?? Dunno his release looked weird to me..........
And wtf is up with his throwing motion? Did he always throw like Uncle Rico or is this a side-effect of compensating for the knee thing ?? Dunno his release looked weird to me..........
Dr. Pepper
Footballguy
blame saban for lollygagging the challenge flag....
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Chambers will not be able to save him on those jump balls like he used to toss to Moss. Staring down a WR in the NFL = INT!!!
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Fantasy Football in its essence is mostly about always starting your "studs", and then consider the matchups, and that's why C-Pep was not a great pick to start tonight, he is a QB coming back from major knee surgery, playing for a new team on opening night against the defending Super Bowl Champions, on the road in a nationally televised game...quite the wrong stage to showcase his talents, against one of the best defenses in the NFL...he left a few throws short tonight, and when it came time to be a heroe and pull out a victory, he left a lot to be desired...but I think he improves from here on, I'm sure not giving up on him Fantasy Football wise, he was on my bench tonight because of the matchup, but he could very likely start for my team next week; I have to check the schedule, but I think it's upside from here on for him...to me the biggest uncertainty was his physical ability and capacity to play after the injuries he substained last year, and he seemed to be fine...my opinion is, If he doesn't have a recurring injury, he could end up a top 10 QB...
jurb26
Footballguy
This point would hold a lot more merrit had Cpep not looked atrocious last year before the injury too.Anyway, I'm not nearly as down on Cpep after this game as a lot of the folks here seem to be and I was on of the most vocal doubters of Cpep post Moss last year. Fact is, he is recovering froma abad knee injury and the Steelers schemed to scare him. He did not step up into the pocket and never seemed to step into his throws and really deliver the ball as the Cpep of old. I really can't ever remember Cpep underthrowing the deep ball as badly as he did tonight. That was the one thing he ALWAYS did well before. Maybe it's all a mind thing, but the Steelers seemed to get in his head and question things. He never looked comfortbale in the pocket even when he Oline and RBs did a fantastic job of picking up the blitz. The Steelers run the best D int he NFL as far as confusing QBs go and creating pressure. I think better days are aheadn for him and Saban is really just supporting his QB after what was in reality only 1 game.man this place has gone downhill
Jayrod
Footballguy
Cpep did really bounce a few throws tonight, some looked really bad. However, he is in a good situation and Saban is a VERY good coach IMO. He will end up with a decent season, FF & record-wise. He'll have some monster games against some bad defenses.Buttmonkey
Footballguy
164 TDs to 124 Ints equates to a turnover machine?? I guess he's a TD machine as well!What did people expect against Pittsburgh no less. Let's not forget he came back quicker than anyone had predicted and showed a lot of heart making it all the way back so soon. Let's evaluate 8 games before we rush to conclusions.
cantrell
Footballguy
Let's not forget that season when he was Mr. Fumble back in 2002.
Irish
Footballguy
Let us not forget his MVP type season 2 yrs ago where if it wasn't for an incredible year by Manning he officially would have been the league's MVP. The Shark Pool these days is getting out of hand. FWP pulls himself out of the game to get a breather at the goal line and everyone overreacts and declares Haynes a TD vulture and now throwing rocks at Culpepper who was coming back from major knee surgery with a new team on the road against the defending Super Bowl Champs. Take a valium people.
Neo
The Dude minds
I was watched the replay on DVR a couple of times and as soon as Polamalu int'ed it, you can see McMichael about 8 yards from the line of scrimmage yelling at Culpepper because he was wide open. I mean it was as soon as it was intercepted and McMichael was pretty animated. What does this mean? Don't know really, just found it interesting.
Dolfan
Footballguy
On the throw to Chambers in the endzone -- Taylor and Chambers were locked up when Culpepper released the ball... It looked to me like Culpepper just thought Chambers was going to break to the rear corner of the endzone and Chambers ended up breaking in a straight-line towards the sideline, maybe even in a little...
Looked like a simple miscommunication between QB/WR to me -- something that wil improve with more time working together..
Of course, I don't remember completely -- if the ball sailed way out of the endzone (would've been uncatchable even if Chambers broke to the rear corner) -- then it was a bad throw...
Looked like a simple miscommunication between QB/WR to me -- something that wil improve with more time working together..
Of course, I don't remember completely -- if the ball sailed way out of the endzone (would've been uncatchable even if Chambers broke to the rear corner) -- then it was a bad throw...
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Dolfan
Footballguy
McMichael wasn't targetted enough, I know that...Neither was Chambers for that matter, until the 2nd half..Who would've ever thought Marty Booker [and Wes Welker when Marty hurt his eye] would end up Culpepper's favorite target
Hopefully, this is just a one-game anomaly and not a trend..blenderfrog
All your base are belong to us
That drive was the turning point in the game.
Funkley
Collar: Up
No ####. Considering he wasn't supposed to play at all this year he looked amazing. Some bad throws and some poor decisions but is anyone surprised?
Gargoylez
Footballguy
Pit has a pretty good D... but I can pick 5 teams with better defenses in a matter of 5 seconds. They are opportunistic, but not a top 5 defense IMO.
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u999spf
Footballguy
I don't think that pass was Culpepper's fault at all. It looked like it was supposed to be a corner route to the back cone and Chambers got jammed up with the cornerback who forced him to flatten out the pattern and didn't allow him to get to the cone. If you saw the replay, you will see that Culpepper threw the ball to the cone before Chambers came out of his break.
mr. furley
Footballguy
gb the Shark Pool
EVERYONE PANIC! CULPEPPER IS FINISHED! RUSH TO GET CLEO LEMON!!! HE'LL BE STARTING BY WEEK 6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
grouse
Footballguy
Watching Culpepper play last night just continues to reinforce the inescapable harsh reality that players like Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick and Daunte Culpepper must either embrace to succeed, or ignore at their own peril. That 'reality' I'm speaking of is that each of those players reached the pinnacle of their potential production when they were 'running' quarterbacks. For whatever reason, be it injury/health or a personal/coaches desire to mold them into a traditional pocket passer, the further these guys stray from using their feet as an integral part of what they do on the field, the further they will get from maximizing their potential.
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Why is everyone bashing Saban? He waited to watch the replay on the big screen and as soon as he saw it he threw the flag out. It was clearly before the play started too. I don't understand why the NFL can't just do the right thing. In baseball, if a player hits a homerun right past the foul pole and the first ump calls it foul, they will fix it and make the call correct.
If the man threw the flag out before the play started then you have to review it. It was plain as day that he threw it out before the play. I mean come on. What is really so bad about correcting a bad call?
Who knows, the Steelers could've fumbled it again on the 3. Stuff like this will kill a team. I thought last year's Super Bowl would send a message at how much stuff like this can affect the outcome, but I guess not.
If the man threw the flag out before the play started then you have to review it. It was plain as day that he threw it out before the play. I mean come on. What is really so bad about correcting a bad call?
Who knows, the Steelers could've fumbled it again on the 3. Stuff like this will kill a team. I thought last year's Super Bowl would send a message at how much stuff like this can affect the outcome, but I guess not.
u999spf
Footballguy
The problem is he kind of just laid the flag out there 10 yards and BEHIND the nearest referee. He didn't throw it into the ref's line of vision or even up in the air where it may have caught one of the other ref's eyes. If you are going to challenge a call, throw the damn flag where the ref is going to see it. He didn't even try to yell to the ref either to get his attention after he threw it. It was weak. I almost think he didn't really want to challenge it because he figured they would spot it so close to the goal line that they would end up scoring a TD anyway but chew up clock time. But that would have been a dumb move too, so I don't think he was considering it. He is a better coach than that.katar said:
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I thought this was the shark pool? I have never seen such poor and short sighted analysis! Was Culpy great last night, no. But, the Dolphins were leading by 17-14 and they had a 3rd and 2 from the Pitt 44 yard line with 7 minutes to go in the game. I wouldn't blame the Dolphins for not running up th middle as they hadn't had too much success, but the Pitt didn't stack the middle and a play right up the gut would have been effective. Instead they ran wide on a pitch play that got stuffed (wrong call) and then punted. That being said, Pitt got the ball pinned in their own territory with about 6 minutes to go in the game and Batch at QB. The Dolphins were in control to win the game and Culpepper had managed a pretty solid game to date with about a 55% completion and about 250 yards with no running attack support against a very tough defense on the road. The Dolphin defense let up a huge play to Miller and now Culpy had to throw with Pitt knowing he was going to throw and THEN threw 2 picks. Now, I am not excusing the picks as he could have led them downfield again, but he had just driven them to the 40 of Pitt and the playcalling stalled. Culpy wasn't real good, but these guys are just getting used to each other. If the defense does what they are supposed to do, people say how well C-pep managed the game and the Dolphins won a tough one on the road. The Dolphins and Culpy will be fine. There is no doubt in my mind they win 10 games this year and Culpy will be a big reason why. He made about 5 bad passes and made a lot of real nice passes as well. Anyone knocking C-pep doesn;t know what they are talking about and will be proved wrong later this year. Culpy is clearly a top half QB and most likely top 10Vintage_Football said:Koya said:
