SABAN to BAMA. (1 Viewer)

[PatsWillWin]

So much coverage for a coach who, in the NFL, was a disappointment at best and a failure at worst.

Anyone think the Dolphins are better off today than they were two years ago?

 

[guderian]

1. When an owner of an NFL franchise hires a coach, he is turning over the keys to a $1 billion business. So the comparisons of Saban to a regular worker are false.

2. If he cared about his family, this wouldn't be the 7th position he's taken since 1988. That means he uproots his family, on average, every 2 1/2 years.

3. He wouldn't be getting the treatment he is today if he hadn't of berated and lied to the media. He could have said "no comment" or "I'll address it in the offseason", but he chose the route of flat out saying that he would never be the coach of Alabama while condescendingly lecturing the media because he didn't have the courage to stand up to the tough questions.

4. I tend to dislike LSU and the Dolphins, but think that he treated both organizations poorly.

5. Miami has an old defense and a bad OL. He botched the acquisition of a QB and left the cupboard bare in terms of draft picks (IIRC). He wanted to win now and didn't and took the first opportunity to bolt once his failure in the NFL became apparent. All the talk about money and family is BS...it was about ego.

1. When an owner of an NFL franchise hires a coach, he is turning over the keys to a $1 billion business. So the comparisons of Saban to a regular worker are false.AGREED. He is more like a CEO or president of a company.

2. If he cared about his family, this wouldn't be the 7th position he's taken since 1988. That means he uproots his family, on average, every 2 1/2 years.

FALSE. Who here would not move their family for a lot more $$$ if they felt the family would be OK after the move. He was let go by Cleveland. He moved from a assistant coach to a coordinator. He left Kent St. for Michigan St. He left Mich. St. for LSU. He left LSU for Miami. And, now Miami for Alabama. Who knows how his family felt before or after those moves. Except for the move to Bama, each one of those would be seen as a "step up" or promoition (BAMA fans would probably argue that it is a step up as well). So who would turn down a promotion for much more money when they thought that their family would adjust and be better off. NOT MANY. But some might reconsider a promiotion if they felt their family did not adjust well. Face it, the city of Miami is great, but it is not right for everybody.

3. He wouldn't be getting the treatment he is today if he hadn't of berated and lied to the media. He could have said "no comment" or "I'll address it in the offseason", but he chose the route of flat out saying that he would never be the coach of Alabama while condescendingly lecturing the media because he didn't have the courage to stand up to the tough questions.

AGREED. Not sure why this was done. Huzienga does, and apparantly is OK with it, but no one else will be.,

4. I tend to dislike LSU and the Dolphins, but think that he treated both organizations poorly.

FALSE. I disagree he treated either organization poorly. Did he ever not give maximum effort. He led LSU from the pits to the pinnacle where it will likely stay for some time. LSU is better off today for having known Nick Saban. As for the Dolphins, his exit could have been prettier, but if the boss is ok and gives you his blessing, I don't know what else says the organization was treated fine.

5. Miami has an old defense and a bad OL. He botched the acquisition of a QB and left the cupboard bare in terms of draft picks (IIRC). He wanted to win now and didn't and took the first opportunity to bolt once his failure in the NFL became apparent. All the talk about money and family is BS...it was about ego.

FALSE. Again, the QB acquisition was not his botch. He wanted Brees. If C-Pep recovers, Dolphins fans may be praising the move in the future. The Williams retirement forced him to take Ronnie Brown - who will be a good pro. Sure some moves have backfired and the defense is older. Yes he has a huge ego. But I don't think this is just about him going 6-10. heck, BB had losing records. It is expected at times. There is something else there IMHO. What it is, we may never know.

I don't know if he has kids, I assume that he does, but uprooting them every 2 1/2 years isn't good ("sorry you're losing all of your friends again Johnny, but we'll upgrade you to a 50 inch plasma TV from a 42 inch.." ). His contract at LSU insured that he'd be the highest paid coach in college. He decided to uproot his family and go to Miami for the "challenge". That sounds quite self-motivated to me. He had the money at LSU and Baton Rouge is a family friendly town that he owned after winning the NC. If it was about money and family he would have stayed there. The Saban backers keep bringing up the "he did it for his family" BS...I'm just calling that out because all of the moves that you cited were self-motivated decisions to move up the coaching ranks. Nothing wrong with it, but stop the "he did it for his family" BS. The fact that he offered to stay in Miami is a red herring. He'd completely poisoned that well and there was no way he could stay at that point and maintain any kind of credibility. He knew it when he offered to stay and Huizenga knew it.

He treated LSU and Miami poorly by lying through his teeth and betraying the loyalty of administrations that bent over backward to appease his ego and demands. At LSU I recall him saying that he "just planted some trees on his property and planned on staying to see them grow". A week later he bolted. A week ago he said "I am not going to be the coach of Alabama"...where is he now?

As far as the Dolphins franchise...the cupboard is bear there. We'll see what happens.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

If I were Nick Saban (and his family), I would be very careful and cautious upon returning to the state of Florida. A piece of advise, don't enlist the same personal security firm used by Tank Johnson.

Making thinly vieled threats to Nick Saban and his FAMILY. ####ting on the grave of someone you don't even know as a tool to make thinly vieled threats at Nick Saban and his family.

Again, here is a quote from another major fantasy service (there's no analysis, just opinion so I cut and pasted). Seems like another way of saying what I said:"By now you've heard that Nick Saban left the Dolphins for Alabama. Here's the Miami Herald's Greg Cotes on the situation: "He did not bother to tell his Dolphins players he was deserting them. His assistant coaches were assembled to hear the news from him over a speakerphone. He left franchise owner Wayne Huizenga to clean up after his mess at the club's Davie headquarters. He left Dolfans who believed him, who believed in him, to hear the echo of his recent declarative -- 'I'm not going to be the Alabama coach' -- and feel a knife in their back. He left his job here utterly unfinished and his contract unfulfilled, and he skittered off to Tuscaloosa like a rat through a drainpipe." Wow, talk about bad blood. Saban will need bodyguards if he ever visits South Beach again."

 

[Mr. Pink]

If I were Nick Saban (and his family), I would be very careful and cautious upon returning to the state of Florida. A piece of advise, don't enlist the same personal security firm used by Tank Johnson.

Making thinly vieled threats to Nick Saban and his FAMILY. ####ting on the grave of someone you don't even know as a tool to make thinly vieled threats at Nick Saban and his family.

I am not personally threatening Nick Saban and his family, although if I ever encounter Saban or his wife in my travels I certainly will tell him what I think of his integrity. Rather, I was pointing out the fact that football fans are a passionate breed. Such passion at times can manifest itself in "over the top", inappropriate behavior and reaction. The populace of Florida foster strong ill feelings against Saban. Just read the Miami sports pages the last few days. Saban has made his bed and will now have to live with it. He will be traveling all around the southeast of the country for next several years and will have deal with the unpleasantries of Fish Fans who may give him a hard time.Point 2. You are right, I didn't know Tank Johnson's late body guard. In fact I don't personally know 99% of the people who I comment upon and at times pass judgement upon on this message board. From what I've read, Johnson's late bodyguard was a thug. The guy's life was filled with illegal weapons and drugs. The concept seemingly applied by many wealthy young athletes in which they employ "security" in the form of an otherwise out of work street thug who carries big weapons and talks tough is a flawed model -- for the most part these types of "security people" no very little about "security" and their presence makes their client's lives more dangerous and less safe. I guess we can disagree on this.I have no horse in this race. I am only an SEC football fan because they have best teams in the country. I am JETS fan and rarely even root for The Fish. However, my view is that The University of Alabama has lost its moral compass and perspective. Fresh off of a cheating scandal, they prematurely fire Shula and in a clandestine manner go and "up the ante" on college coaching salaries by a significant degree.Also, the point about Saban simply taking an opportunity that was much "richer" doesn't wash with me. His annualized salary that the Dolphins would have paid him is comparable to that under his Alabama contract. If he fell flat on his face and was fired in 1 year in the NFL, he would still have been the "hottest" college property and have been able to secure his future with a long term rich college deal. He simply made some mistakes at Miami that he didn't want to live with and he ran away in the middle of the night without have the fortitude to face the music.Enjoy him, he's yours.

It's still evident to me, Wilbur, that you have an agenda here. You've stated you're an SEC football fan, which makes my earlier prediction that you must have an allegiance to either Auburn or Tennessee not too far off. Doubtless, you are not a fan of Alabama, but lets lay off the "lost it's moral compass and perspective" dialogue. The ante on college coaches salaries was upped long before Alabama joined the fray. Kirk Ferenz of Iowa earned over $4 million in the span of the last year (incentives, for sure), Bob Stoops of Oklahoma earns, scuze me, earned $3.5 million this season and will get $1 over Saban's guaranteed from this point forward, or until another college coach exceeds Saban's salary. Charlie Weiss' salary is shrouded in secrecy. If it were in the $2 million range, I'm guessing that wouldn't be the case.As for the cheating reference, all I can say is do your homework. Alabam did receive, by all measures, an excessive probation, yet the NCAA was clear that the University and the program did not display a "lack of institutional control." The probation was based primarily on the testimony of the HS coach of a heavily recruited defensive lineman (Albert Means) who purported that an Alabama booster (Logan Young) through an Alabama recruiter (Ronnie Cottrell) steered roughly $100,000 his way to convince the kid to go to the school. We will never know Logan Young's full role in these allegations, as he has since died. What we do know is that Tom Yeager, the NCAA top cop in the probation investigation has since been removed from his position and had a $5 million judegement levied against him from a federal court in a civil defamation suit filed by Ronnie Cottrell. Long story short, the case was weak at best and certainly didn't include any actions by employees of the University or the football program specifically.Yes, I am an Alabama fan and I travel from little Rhody to the capstone to see a game every season. Obviously, you are not a fan, and that's OK. All I ask is that when you choose to lob accusations, you think intelligently about them. Just do you homework before you proceed. That's all.Much Thanks.MP

 

[bigmurd]

what a #####

Just what I was thinking reading this thread. Saban is a #####.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

If I were Nick Saban (and his family), I would be very careful and cautious upon returning to the state of Florida. A piece of advise, don't enlist the same personal security firm used by Tank Johnson.

Making thinly vieled threats to Nick Saban and his FAMILY. ####ting on the grave of someone you don't even know as a tool to make thinly vieled threats at Nick Saban and his family.

I am not personally threatening Nick Saban and his family, although if I ever encounter Saban or his wife in my travels I certainly will tell him what I think of his integrity. Rather, I was pointing out the fact that football fans are a passionate breed. Such passion at times can manifest itself in "over the top", inappropriate behavior and reaction. The populace of Florida foster strong ill feelings against Saban. Just read the Miami sports pages the last few days. Saban has made his bed and will now have to live with it. He will be traveling all around the southeast of the country for next several years and will have deal with the unpleasantries of Fish Fans who may give him a hard time.Point 2. You are right, I didn't know Tank Johnson's late body guard. In fact I don't personally know 99% of the people who I comment upon and at times pass judgement upon on this message board. From what I've read, Johnson's late bodyguard was a thug. The guy's life was filled with illegal weapons and drugs. The concept seemingly applied by many wealthy young athletes in which they employ "security" in the form of an otherwise out of work street thug who carries big weapons and talks tough is a flawed model -- for the most part these types of "security people" no very little about "security" and their presence makes their client's lives more dangerous and less safe. I guess we can disagree on this.I have no horse in this race. I am only an SEC football fan because they have best teams in the country. I am JETS fan and rarely even root for The Fish. However, my view is that The University of Alabama has lost its moral compass and perspective. Fresh off of a cheating scandal, they prematurely fire Shula and in a clandestine manner go and "up the ante" on college coaching salaries by a significant degree.Also, the point about Saban simply taking an opportunity that was much "richer" doesn't wash with me. His annualized salary that the Dolphins would have paid him is comparable to that under his Alabama contract. If he fell flat on his face and was fired in 1 year in the NFL, he would still have been the "hottest" college property and have been able to secure his future with a long term rich college deal. He simply made some mistakes at Miami that he didn't want to live with and he ran away in the middle of the night without have the fortitude to face the music.Enjoy him, he's yours.

It's still evident to me, Wilbur, that you have an agenda here. You've stated you're an SEC football fan, which makes my earlier prediction that you must have an allegiance to either Auburn or Tennessee not too far off. Doubtless, you are not a fan of Alabama, but lets lay off the "lost it's moral compass and perspective" dialogue. The ante on college coaches salaries was upped long before Alabama joined the fray. Kirk Ferenz of Iowa earned over $4 million in the span of the last year (incentives, for sure), Bob Stoops of Oklahoma earns, scuze me, earned $3.5 million this season and will get $1 over Saban's guaranteed from this point forward, or until another college coach exceeds Saban's salary. Charlie Weiss' salary is shrouded in secrecy. If it were in the $2 million range, I'm guessing that wouldn't be the case.As for the cheating reference, all I can say is do your homework. Alabam did receive, by all measures, an excessive probation, yet the NCAA was clear that the University and the program did not display a "lack of institutional control." The probation was based primarily on the testimony of the HS coach of a heavily recruited defensive lineman (Albert Means) who purported that an Alabama booster (Logan Young) through an Alabama recruiter (Ronnie Cottrell) steered roughly $100,000 his way to convince the kid to go to the school. We will never know Logan Young's full role in these allegations, as he has since died. What we do know is that Tom Yeager, the NCAA top cop in the probation investigation has since been removed from his position and had a $5 million judegement levied against him from a federal court in a civil defamation suit filed by Ronnie Cottrell. Long story short, the case was weak at best and certainly didn't include any actions by employees of the University or the football program specifically.Yes, I am an Alabama fan and I travel from little Rhody to the capstone to see a game every season. Obviously, you are not a fan, and that's OK. All I ask is that when you choose to lob accusations, you think intelligently about them. Just do you homework before you proceed. That's all.Much Thanks.MP

Hey Mr. Crimson Tide:I have no agenda with Alabama before this incident. My favorite college team is USC and the Lousy Fighting Irish. In the pros its the JETS.I've been listening to tons of talk radio since I've been off for the holidays (NFL Network and ESPN Radio) and have heard dozen's of paid talking heads opine on this issue. Many of them of have been highly critical of Alabama, in addition to Saban in this whole affair. To be fair, others have said its simply "market practice" and most coaches lie to the press all the time about a lot of things.So if you want to preach, you should do so to a much larger audience than moi, cause my slant on this is far from unique and probably closer to Main Street USA than yours (an admitted Alabama loyalist).Peace

 

[Mr. Pink]

If I were Nick Saban (and his family), I would be very careful and cautious upon returning to the state of Florida. A piece of advise, don't enlist the same personal security firm used by Tank Johnson.

Making thinly vieled threats to Nick Saban and his FAMILY. ####ting on the grave of someone you don't even know as a tool to make thinly vieled threats at Nick Saban and his family.

I am not personally threatening Nick Saban and his family, although if I ever encounter Saban or his wife in my travels I certainly will tell him what I think of his integrity. Rather, I was pointing out the fact that football fans are a passionate breed. Such passion at times can manifest itself in "over the top", inappropriate behavior and reaction. The populace of Florida foster strong ill feelings against Saban. Just read the Miami sports pages the last few days. Saban has made his bed and will now have to live with it. He will be traveling all around the southeast of the country for next several years and will have deal with the unpleasantries of Fish Fans who may give him a hard time.Point 2. You are right, I didn't know Tank Johnson's late body guard. In fact I don't personally know 99% of the people who I comment upon and at times pass judgement upon on this message board. From what I've read, Johnson's late bodyguard was a thug. The guy's life was filled with illegal weapons and drugs. The concept seemingly applied by many wealthy young athletes in which they employ "security" in the form of an otherwise out of work street thug who carries big weapons and talks tough is a flawed model -- for the most part these types of "security people" no very little about "security" and their presence makes their client's lives more dangerous and less safe. I guess we can disagree on this.I have no horse in this race. I am only an SEC football fan because they have best teams in the country. I am JETS fan and rarely even root for The Fish. However, my view is that The University of Alabama has lost its moral compass and perspective. Fresh off of a cheating scandal, they prematurely fire Shula and in a clandestine manner go and "up the ante" on college coaching salaries by a significant degree.Also, the point about Saban simply taking an opportunity that was much "richer" doesn't wash with me. His annualized salary that the Dolphins would have paid him is comparable to that under his Alabama contract. If he fell flat on his face and was fired in 1 year in the NFL, he would still have been the "hottest" college property and have been able to secure his future with a long term rich college deal. He simply made some mistakes at Miami that he didn't want to live with and he ran away in the middle of the night without have the fortitude to face the music.Enjoy him, he's yours.

It's still evident to me, Wilbur, that you have an agenda here. You've stated you're an SEC football fan, which makes my earlier prediction that you must have an allegiance to either Auburn or Tennessee not too far off. Doubtless, you are not a fan of Alabama, but lets lay off the "lost it's moral compass and perspective" dialogue. The ante on college coaches salaries was upped long before Alabama joined the fray. Kirk Ferenz of Iowa earned over $4 million in the span of the last year (incentives, for sure), Bob Stoops of Oklahoma earns, scuze me, earned $3.5 million this season and will get $1 over Saban's guaranteed from this point forward, or until another college coach exceeds Saban's salary. Charlie Weiss' salary is shrouded in secrecy. If it were in the $2 million range, I'm guessing that wouldn't be the case.As for the cheating reference, all I can say is do your homework. Alabam did receive, by all measures, an excessive probation, yet the NCAA was clear that the University and the program did not display a "lack of institutional control." The probation was based primarily on the testimony of the HS coach of a heavily recruited defensive lineman (Albert Means) who purported that an Alabama booster (Logan Young) through an Alabama recruiter (Ronnie Cottrell) steered roughly $100,000 his way to convince the kid to go to the school. We will never know Logan Young's full role in these allegations, as he has since died. What we do know is that Tom Yeager, the NCAA top cop in the probation investigation has since been removed from his position and had a $5 million judegement levied against him from a federal court in a civil defamation suit filed by Ronnie Cottrell. Long story short, the case was weak at best and certainly didn't include any actions by employees of the University or the football program specifically.Yes, I am an Alabama fan and I travel from little Rhody to the capstone to see a game every season. Obviously, you are not a fan, and that's OK. All I ask is that when you choose to lob accusations, you think intelligently about them. Just do you homework before you proceed. That's all.Much Thanks.MP

Hey Mr. Crimson Tide:I have no agenda with Alabama before this incident. My favorite college team is USC and the Lousy Fighting Irish. In the pros its the JETS.I've been listening to tons of talk radio since I've been off for the holidays (NFL Network and ESPN Radio) and have heard dozen's of paid talking heads opine on this issue. Many of them of have been highly critical of Alabama, in addition to Saban in this whole affair. To be fair, others have said its simply "market practice" and most coaches lie to the press all the time about a lot of things.So if you want to preach, you should do so to a much larger audience than moi, cause my slant on this is far from unique and probably closer to Main Street USA than yours (an admitted Alabama loyalist).Peace

I can live with that.I'm not preaching, just offering the same defense I offer everyone else who paints Bama with such a broad brush, including (and especially) the talking heads you made reference to. I wish they would be a bit more fair and balanced, but that doesn't get ratings or whatever other result is desired, so I can stop wishing.Now a question for you: How do you coexist as both a USC fan and a Notre Dame fan? That's like me sharing allegiances with Bama and Tennessee (or Auburn, for that matter). PS: Go Pats!MP

 

[Wilbur Wood]

If I were Nick Saban (and his family), I would be very careful and cautious upon returning to the state of Florida. A piece of advise, don't enlist the same personal security firm used by Tank Johnson.

Making thinly vieled threats to Nick Saban and his FAMILY. ####ting on the grave of someone you don't even know as a tool to make thinly vieled threats at Nick Saban and his family.

I am not personally threatening Nick Saban and his family, although if I ever encounter Saban or his wife in my travels I certainly will tell him what I think of his integrity. Rather, I was pointing out the fact that football fans are a passionate breed. Such passion at times can manifest itself in "over the top", inappropriate behavior and reaction. The populace of Florida foster strong ill feelings against Saban. Just read the Miami sports pages the last few days. Saban has made his bed and will now have to live with it. He will be traveling all around the southeast of the country for next several years and will have deal with the unpleasantries of Fish Fans who may give him a hard time.Point 2. You are right, I didn't know Tank Johnson's late body guard. In fact I don't personally know 99% of the people who I comment upon and at times pass judgement upon on this message board. From what I've read, Johnson's late bodyguard was a thug. The guy's life was filled with illegal weapons and drugs. The concept seemingly applied by many wealthy young athletes in which they employ "security" in the form of an otherwise out of work street thug who carries big weapons and talks tough is a flawed model -- for the most part these types of "security people" no very little about "security" and their presence makes their client's lives more dangerous and less safe. I guess we can disagree on this.I have no horse in this race. I am only an SEC football fan because they have best teams in the country. I am JETS fan and rarely even root for The Fish. However, my view is that The University of Alabama has lost its moral compass and perspective. Fresh off of a cheating scandal, they prematurely fire Shula and in a clandestine manner go and "up the ante" on college coaching salaries by a significant degree.Also, the point about Saban simply taking an opportunity that was much "richer" doesn't wash with me. His annualized salary that the Dolphins would have paid him is comparable to that under his Alabama contract. If he fell flat on his face and was fired in 1 year in the NFL, he would still have been the "hottest" college property and have been able to secure his future with a long term rich college deal. He simply made some mistakes at Miami that he didn't want to live with and he ran away in the middle of the night without have the fortitude to face the music.Enjoy him, he's yours.

It's still evident to me, Wilbur, that you have an agenda here. You've stated you're an SEC football fan, which makes my earlier prediction that you must have an allegiance to either Auburn or Tennessee not too far off. Doubtless, you are not a fan of Alabama, but lets lay off the "lost it's moral compass and perspective" dialogue. The ante on college coaches salaries was upped long before Alabama joined the fray. Kirk Ferenz of Iowa earned over $4 million in the span of the last year (incentives, for sure), Bob Stoops of Oklahoma earns, scuze me, earned $3.5 million this season and will get $1 over Saban's guaranteed from this point forward, or until another college coach exceeds Saban's salary. Charlie Weiss' salary is shrouded in secrecy. If it were in the $2 million range, I'm guessing that wouldn't be the case.As for the cheating reference, all I can say is do your homework. Alabam did receive, by all measures, an excessive probation, yet the NCAA was clear that the University and the program did not display a "lack of institutional control." The probation was based primarily on the testimony of the HS coach of a heavily recruited defensive lineman (Albert Means) who purported that an Alabama booster (Logan Young) through an Alabama recruiter (Ronnie Cottrell) steered roughly $100,000 his way to convince the kid to go to the school. We will never know Logan Young's full role in these allegations, as he has since died. What we do know is that Tom Yeager, the NCAA top cop in the probation investigation has since been removed from his position and had a $5 million judegement levied against him from a federal court in a civil defamation suit filed by Ronnie Cottrell. Long story short, the case was weak at best and certainly didn't include any actions by employees of the University or the football program specifically.Yes, I am an Alabama fan and I travel from little Rhody to the capstone to see a game every season. Obviously, you are not a fan, and that's OK. All I ask is that when you choose to lob accusations, you think intelligently about them. Just do you homework before you proceed. That's all.Much Thanks.MP

Hey Mr. Crimson Tide:I have no agenda with Alabama before this incident. My favorite college team is USC and the Lousy Fighting Irish. In the pros its the JETS.I've been listening to tons of talk radio since I've been off for the holidays (NFL Network and ESPN Radio) and have heard dozen's of paid talking heads opine on this issue. Many of them of have been highly critical of Alabama, in addition to Saban in this whole affair. To be fair, others have said its simply "market practice" and most coaches lie to the press all the time about a lot of things.So if you want to preach, you should do so to a much larger audience than moi, cause my slant on this is far from unique and probably closer to Main Street USA than yours (an admitted Alabama loyalist).Peace

I can live with that.I'm not preaching, just offering the same defense I offer everyone else who paints Bama with such a broad brush, including (and especially) the talking heads you made reference to. I wish they would be a bit more fair and balanced, but that doesn't get ratings or whatever other result is desired, so I can stop wishing.Now a question for you: How do you coexist as both a USC fan and a Notre Dame fan? That's like me sharing allegiances with Bama and Tennessee (or Auburn, for that matter). PS: Go Pats!MP

My passionate rooting interests have always been with the NFL. In college it bounces around, mainly focusing on pro prospects. I like Pete Carroll and followed him to USC. Prior to that liked Holtz and the Irish in the 80s. Combo of recent niece at Notre Dame and Charlie Weiss have renewed interest in ND. Like the SEC simply b/c the talent level is high, have absolutely no loyalties to any SEC team.

 

[Raider Nation]

WHy am I the only one that thinks going to Alabama will be MUCH harder then coaching in the AFC East? Good grief, the talent in the SEC in conjunction with the schedule he will have to play is going to be brutal. The coaches and teams in the SEC are all consistently strong and while he has indeed experienced success in the SEC, going to Alabama to coach a team that is in need of a talent infusion does not seem like an upward move to me, regardless of pay.

Saban will be out of BAMA in two years. The guy is like Larry Brown

 

[shader]

WHy am I the only one that thinks going to Alabama will be MUCH harder then coaching in the AFC East? Good grief, the talent in the SEC in conjunction with the schedule he will have to play is going to be brutal. The coaches and teams in the SEC are all consistently strong and while he has indeed experienced success in the SEC, going to Alabama to coach a team that is in need of a talent infusion does not seem like an upward move to me, regardless of pay.

Saban will be out of BAMA in two years. The guy is like Larry Brown

 

[teamramrod]

Unless Saban has discovered that he's absolutely miserable as a head coach in the NFL in general, or has abandoned hope of turning around the Dolphins in anything like a reasonable amount of time (e.g. because of hitching his wagon to an overrated Culpepper), I'm struggling to understand his move here. Even if it's disillusionment with the NFL that's hard to grasp given that he has plenty of NFL experience to draw upon to prepare him for his position with the 'Phins. He's highly paid, has absolute power, works for a good and stable NFL organization, and has plenty of job security. Moreover, for all its history Alabama has some rebuilding to do and has as rabid (not in a good way) of a set of boosters as there is out there. Please explain how this makes sense as a career choice for him.

Remember, all the advice and wisdom you can pick up here is only as good as......You figure it out.Jesus, Kate Upton and Saban walk into a bar....Peacepeace

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

Saban is college football's best recruiter bar none. In the NFL, he doesn't have that competitive advantage so it will be much tougher for him should he ever decide to give it another go. I do think he will get the itch at sometime to try it again but he has the luxury of waiting for the right situation with the right ownership and a good talent base already in place. He might just be the guy to replace Bill Belichick in 5 years.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Saban and John Calipari are of the same ilk. Both strike me as complete slime balls but winning is all that matters in big time college sports so fans are just fine with slime balls, and embrace them as long as they keep winning. Meanwhile fans of other college teams will root against them because they want so badly to see them fail.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

Saban and John Calipari are of the same ilk. Both strike me as complete slime balls but winning is all that matters in big time college sports so fans are just fine with slime balls, and embrace them as long as they keep winning. Meanwhile fans of other college teams will root against them because they want so badly to see them fail.

Thus far, nobody has yet found any evidence of cheating on Saban's resume. Calipari I would agree is as slimy as they come and he has cost two of his programs bigtime in NCAA violations. I think Saban has a lot of Larry Brown/Rick Pitino in him and probably isn't done moving around but Cal is by himself in the sleazeball dept. imo.

 

[packseasontix]

Saban is college football's best recruiter bar none. In the NFL, he doesn't have that competitive advantage so it will be much tougher for him should he ever decide to give it another go. I do think he will get the itch at sometime to try it again but he has the luxury of waiting for the right situation with the right ownership and a good talent base already in place. He might just be the guy to replace Bill Belichick in 5 years.

Exactly in the NFL all players get paid to play....

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Saban and John Calipari are of the same ilk. Both strike me as complete slime balls but winning is all that matters in big time college sports so fans are just fine with slime balls, and embrace them as long as they keep winning. Meanwhile fans of other college teams will root against them because they want so badly to see them fail.

Thus far, nobody has yet found any evidence of cheating on Saban's resume. Calipari I would agree is as slimy as they come and he has cost two of his programs bigtime in NCAA violations. I think Saban has a lot of Larry Brown/Rick Pitino in him and probably isn't done moving around but Cal is by himself in the sleazeball dept. imo.

Official cheating by Saban? No. Walking the tightrope between cheating/clean....yes. Oversigning recruits, pulling scholarships from players to give to others, telling kids they don't have room for them but will in the future if they want to take a year off or stashing them in junior colleges. All that. Not legal but shifty as hell imo. That's the SEC when it comes to football though. Winning covers up a lot and if you aren't playing the game you're getting left behind. The sad thing is that there are broken promises to kids, who are getting left behind.

 

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Saban and John Calipari are of the same ilk. Both strike me as complete slime balls but winning is all that matters in big time college sports so fans are just fine with slime balls, and embrace them as long as they keep winning. Meanwhile fans of other college teams will root against them because they want so badly to see them fail.

Thus far, nobody has yet found any evidence of cheating on Saban's resume. Calipari I would agree is as slimy as they come and he has cost two of his programs bigtime in NCAA violations. I think Saban has a lot of Larry Brown/Rick Pitino in him and probably isn't done moving around but Cal is by himself in the sleazeball dept. imo.

Official cheating by Saban? No. Walking the tightrope between cheating/clean....yes. Oversigning recruits, pulling scholarships from players to give to others, telling kids they don't have room for them but will in the future if they want to take a year off or stashing them in junior colleges. All that. Not legal but shifty as hell imo. That's the SEC when it comes to football though. Winning covers up a lot and if you aren't playing the game you're getting left behind. The sad thing is that there are broken promises to kids, who are getting left behind.

Do you have evidence of violations by Saban? If so, you should forward them to the NCAA.

 

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Do you have evidence of violations by Saban? If so, you should forward them to the NCAA.

Why, so they can take 10 years to investigate and hand down punishment?

 

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Saban and John Calipari are of the same ilk. Both strike me as complete slime balls but winning is all that matters in big time college sports so fans are just fine with slime balls, and embrace them as long as they keep winning. Meanwhile fans of other college teams will root against them because they want so badly to see them fail.

Thus far, nobody has yet found any evidence of cheating on Saban's resume. Calipari I would agree is as slimy as they come and he has cost two of his programs bigtime in NCAA violations. I think Saban has a lot of Larry Brown/Rick Pitino in him and probably isn't done moving around but Cal is by himself in the sleazeball dept. imo.

Official cheating by Saban? No. Walking the tightrope between cheating/clean....yes. Oversigning recruits, pulling scholarships from players to give to others, telling kids they don't have room for them but will in the future if they want to take a year off or stashing them in junior colleges. All that. Not legal but shifty as hell imo. That's the SEC when it comes to football though. Winning covers up a lot and if you aren't playing the game you're getting left behind. The sad thing is that there are broken promises to kids, who are getting left behind.

Do you have evidence of violations by Saban? If so, you should forward them to the NCAA.

Did you read what I typed?

 

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Saban and John Calipari are of the same ilk. Both strike me as complete slime balls but winning is all that matters in big time college sports so fans are just fine with slime balls, and embrace them as long as they keep winning. Meanwhile fans of other college teams will root against them because they want so badly to see them fail.

Silly

 

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Saban and John Calipari are of the same ilk. Both strike me as complete slime balls but winning is all that matters in big time college sports so fans are just fine with slime balls, and embrace them as long as they keep winning. Meanwhile fans of other college teams will root against them because they want so badly to see them fail.

Silly

Tell me why it's silly Rolltide Bama fan? If you tell me winning is all that matters above all else, I can accept it.One of my vendors is from Kentucky, a huge UK hoops fan, and used to craptalk Calipari as being crooked. When Calipari came to UK the guy's attitude did a 180. Now he defends Calipari and speaks as if he's squeaky clean now. I get it that winning is pretty much all that matters but don't try to sell me on Calipari all of a sudden being a total straight shooter.