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He's raw, but he has great promise and will pass T-Jax on the depth chart by next year.
Not saying Jackson is good. However Childress loves Tjack for some reason and if Favre goes down Jackson would've been the starter all the way.Not to mention Joe Webb has looked pretty good this preseason (granted it was against backups).
Well, that's vague. I coulda said that...
Yep. Rosenfels >> Jackson the past two off-seasons, and it wasn't even close. If Favre gets hurt, Childress is going to hear the boo-birds come out with all their buddies in Metrodome, as Rosenfels at least made the passing attack somewhat respectable. I think the Vikings gave a 4th for Rosenfels back in the day, so if they got anything less than a 4th from the Giants, I'll be even more grumpy about the move.
Prepare to be grumpy...
Well, I suppose it could have been for a player (cb maybe?)....
True. But with Ross gimpy, it's not like the Giants are rich at CB.
How is he less valuable now than when he was sitting behind two guys, one of whom has started seven thousand games in a row?
He's not. Use your noggin
Most of us were waiting on him to be traded to a favorable situation, thus there was a glimmer of hope for Rosenfels owners thinking he may get traded somewhere favorable. That didn't occur.
Because many grabbed him hoping for a trade to Arz or another spot where he would be given a chance to start. I guess he did not have actual value before, but expected value.
Without Reynaud, Percy Harvins value goes up a tick in leagues with kick return scoring.
Trading Rosenfels for what I've been hearing is a 5th is a bummer. Trading Rosenfels AND Reynaud for a 5th in 2011 and a conditional pick (probably late) in 2012? Hopefully the Giants at least call and send flowers and/or chocolates to Winter Park tomorrow morning before losing the Vikings' phone number...
Well on the brightside, that is more than the Steelers got for Santanio Holmes.Trading Rosenfels for what I've been hearing is a 5th is a bummer. Trading Rosenfels AND Reynaud for a 5th in 2011 and a conditional pick (probably late) in 2012? Hopefully the Giants at least call and send flowers and/or chocolates to Winter Park tomorrow morning before losing the Vikings' phone number...
Hey, Vikings fans.Can I assume that Reynaud is a KR/PR type?Trading Rosenfels for what I've been hearing is a 5th is a bummer. Trading Rosenfels AND Reynaud for a 5th in 2011 and a conditional pick (probably late) in 2012? Hopefully the Giants at least call and send flowers and/or chocolates to Winter Park tomorrow morning before losing the Vikings' phone number...
I agree that he would have been the starter, but a few losses would have changed that. Say the team was 6-2 and Favre goes down. Three games later they're 6-5. You don't think Sage would have gotten the call, or at least put Jackson on a short leash in the next game?
Very good return guy. With harvin taking a bigger role as a WR, I'm very surprised the Vikes parted with Reynaud. Of course, by keeping Jackson over Sage and kicking the tires on Housh, I'm not sure the Vikes really have any idea what they are doing at the moment. If they weren't so damn loaded with talent I'd predict a major dropoff.Hey, Vikings fans.Can I assume that Reynaud is a KR/PR type?Trading Rosenfels for what I've been hearing is a 5th is a bummer. Trading Rosenfels AND Reynaud for a 5th in 2011 and a conditional pick (probably late) in 2012? Hopefully the Giants at least call and send flowers and/or chocolates to Winter Park tomorrow morning before losing the Vikings' phone number...
If not, seems peculiar since the Giants are deep at the traditional RB but could use a KR/PR on their roster.
Sage has looked way better than TJax ever has. I'm also surprised they would have Percy returning kicks given the shortage at WR. Why expose your WR1/WR2 to kick returns when you had someone to do it?
SproutDaddy said:
He completes 63% of his passes, he's got more TDs than INTs, and he's got a passer rating of 81.2. He went 4-1 as a starter for the freaking Texans (while Schaub went 4-7, but whatever). He was head and shoulders better than Jackson during both the 2009 and 2010 preseasons.He might "suck", but that would only mean that Tarvaris Jackson sucks even more.
Even if the above was true (it's not), he still sucks like you admit. Who cares if the Vikings traded him? Get some fresh blood in there at #3 and see how he does. The guy hasn't been able to move out of the 3-spot for a couple years now. Time to cut and run.
You mean, get some other team's 4th string reject who doesn't know the playbook? Great idea.
Or are you talking about getting a QB in the draft? Because the Vikings already tried that and it failed miserably.
The only embarrassment is mine for not charging you for my advice that you obviously need. Sage sucks. He's always sucked. He couldn't even beat out Tavaris Jackson for the #2 spot. I feel bad for the Giants if they actually have to start this guy at any point. They could have traded him to New York for a stack of Gatorade cups and this would still be a good deal for the Vikings.You mean, get some other team's 4th string reject who doesn't know the playbook? Great idea.
edit: and I never "admitted" that Rosenfels sucked. This is why the Shark Pool is such an embarrassment to Footballguys.com.
He had a 'lightning in a bottle' stretch during 2007, and even then his TD to turnover ratio (don't forget his prodigious fumbling), was less than 1:1. He's got 40 turnovers in what amounts to less than 4 years of playing time. He doesn't take care of the ball, and that's a cardinal sin for a QB. He'll never be more than an emergency or mop up guy until he figures out how to stop handing the other team the ball.SproutDaddy said:
Agree. Except that it's only when you're a ridiculous talent (like Favre) that you can get away with that as a starter in the NFL.Gunslingers are coach killers. Unless you get the one in a million (like Favre), you end up losing more than winning and that's no good for job security.
He's lost 5 fumbles in 620+ snaps, which is a better rate than Jackson.
That would be true if they cut Sage but Sage is still getting paid just not out the Vikings coffers. Giants apparently fielded a call from Arizona about Leinart. Leinart is scheduled to make $ 2.5 million in 2010. Vikings were not in a position to ask too much for Sage when there were other players available.
I believe that "not out of the Vikings coffers" was his point --- clearing salary to pay more to Favre.
