Saint's Offense (1 Viewer)

[weasel3515]

Initially I was high on about everybody from New Orleans for the season: Brees, Bush, McAllister, Colston. But now after reading about Jamaal Brown being done possibly for the season, how Meacham has alligator arms (good threads about them here btw) and how out-of-sync they looked on Sunday night (while the Steelers looked very sharp so you can't blame it on being the first game) I have to downgrade the whole lot of them right now. Can only hope they improve the rest of preseason.

Anybody else doing this yet?

 

[gigantor]

I have them ranked right below the Vikings

 

[SproutDaddy]

NO

 

[saintfool]

I have them ranked right below the Vikings

too high. i'm all doom and gloom. they are between the montreal alouettes and the toronto argonauts....

 

[ImTheScientist]

No, not based off of a preseason game.

 

[rzrback77]

Do you remember the Saints pre-season games last year? They were horrible. It did not prevent them from haviong a very good regular season though.

Jammal Brown out for the year, that's more important info than the Steeler pre-season game.

 

[guderian]

Has Ron Dayne run for 150 yards yet?

...darn pre-season over-reactions.

 

[treat88]

Jammal Brown out for the year, that's more important info than the Steeler pre-season game.

Far greater impact than the Tarik Glenn loss.Wouldn't move any skill players down the charts yet, but would watch pre-season games 3 and 4 closely and count the number of hits Brees takes.

 

[IM666]

To Quote Godsbrother from Here:

... it is only preseason. It doesn't matter if the Patriots go 0-4 or if the 3rd string QB for the Raiders is leading the NFL in passing TDs.

Watch the games to see who might win the training camp battles, who looks washed up, etc. but don't get too carried away. Teams for the most part do not game plan for opponents and starters rarely go beyond the 1st quarter and even less past the 2nd half.

Have fun but don't get too carried away -- it is just preseason!

This should be pinned for the next few weeks.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I think Payton is working them too hard in camp. That will likely negatively impact their pre-season game play, but if it makes them better in December and January, who cares.

 

[Sylira21]

Nah. I'm still trying to toughen my liver for the season ahead, so I'll cut the Saints some slack. For a while.

At least until I'm ready for tequila.

 

[OCC]

To Quote Godsbrother from Here:

... it is only preseason. It doesn't matter if the Patriots go 0-4 or if the 3rd string QB for the Raiders is leading the NFL in passing TDs.

Watch the games to see who might win the training camp battles, who looks washed up, etc. but don't get too carried away. Teams for the most part do not game plan for opponents and starters rarely go beyond the 1st quarter and even less past the 2nd half.

Have fun but don't get too carried away -- it is just preseason!

This should be pinned for the next few weeks.

Preseason actually tells us far more then people think.Last preseason, Jordan was getting 0 looks in the passing game. I mean nothing. People start downgrading his reception numbers, and people were doing lots of it's PRESEASON people. Season comes, Jordan gets no looks in the passing game, his only hope was PPR value, which was now nil.

So they don't game plan, but they run their offense. If McMichael gets 3-4 catches, and SJAX gets 1, we can pretty much say the odds of SJAX getting 80-90 catches are nil. If you don't see any value, don't comment.

Thanks.

 

[3nOut]

Initially I was high on about everybody from New Orleans for the season: Brees, Bush, McAllister, Colston. But now after reading about Jamaal Brown being done possibly for the season, how Meacham has alligator arms (good threads about them here btw) and how out-of-sync they looked on Sunday night (while the Steelers looked very sharp so you can't blame it on being the first game) I have to downgrade the whole lot of them right now. Can only hope they improve the rest of preseason.

Anybody else doing this yet?

So how does the 4th WRs alligator arms (5th if you count Bush) have an effect on the O as a whole? One preseason game and you're bailing? Many still have them going to the Sb so i'd hold off judgement for a little longer.

 

[IM666]

To Quote Godsbrother from Here:

... it is only preseason. It doesn't matter if the Patriots go 0-4 or if the 3rd string QB for the Raiders is leading the NFL in passing TDs.

Watch the games to see who might win the training camp battles, who looks washed up, etc. but don't get too carried away. Teams for the most part do not game plan for opponents and starters rarely go beyond the 1st quarter and even less past the 2nd half.

Have fun but don't get too carried away -- it is just preseason!

This should be pinned for the next few weeks.

Last preseason, Jordan was getting 0 looks in the passing game. I mean nothing. People start downgrading his reception numbers, and people were doing lots of it's PRESEASON people. Season comes, Jordan gets no looks in the passing game, his only hope was PPR value, which was now nil.

This was expected as soon as Norv Turner left town, before preseason began. But hey, to each his own

 

[OCC]

To Quote Godsbrother from Here:

... it is only preseason. It doesn't matter if the Patriots go 0-4 or if the 3rd string QB for the Raiders is leading the NFL in passing TDs.

Watch the games to see who might win the training camp battles, who looks washed up, etc. but don't get too carried away. Teams for the most part do not game plan for opponents and starters rarely go beyond the 1st quarter and even less past the 2nd half.

Have fun but don't get too carried away -- it is just preseason!

This should be pinned for the next few weeks.

Last preseason, Jordan was getting 0 looks in the passing game. I mean nothing. People start downgrading his reception numbers, and people were doing lots of it's PRESEASON people. Season comes, Jordan gets no looks in the passing game, his only hope was PPR value, which was now nil.

This was expected as soon as Norv Turner left town, before preseason began. But hey, to each his own

The point was, teams run their offense. It matters. Enough with the " it's preseason" comments in every august thread.

 

[WhoDat]

I am concerned about the J. Brown injury. That is a HUGE concern. As far as the game this weekend...

I am not really worried about what I saw Sunday night. I saw a Saints offense playing a Steelers defense that has a few new starters or potential starters. LeBeau threw a very aggressive package onto the field during A Team vs. A Team minutes. The Saints ran vanilla plays minus what appeared to be any sort of equally aggressive audibles or play calling counters. An offense is not going to put anything onto preseason film that could potentially tip their inseason hand. Thus, restrictive and simple playcalling. Lastly, a team's defense is always ahead of a team's offense this time of year. I just do not see Q1 of preseason game one being an item to take as fact.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

To my knowledge, Brown has not been declared out for the season yet, so I'm not going to panic just yet. I think you have to downgrade them some if that turns out to be true.

 

[Lord Lucan]

If there was anything to be gleaned from that pre-season game - and I'm not even sure this counts - then it was a slight upgrade for the Saints offensive stars - because that limited and obviously suspect evidence suggested their defense isn't going to be able to stop anybody marching down the field again this year, and there might be a ton of shoot-outs.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

The Jammal Brown injury points to another big question mark...who runs the Saints O if Drew Brees goes down? Jamie Martin? Tyler Palko? I don't like the way things are shaping up in NO.

 

[N'wahlins Hope]

Let's wait on the MRI to come out real soon before we jump to conclusions about the Saints offense. Payton was encouraged by the stability of the joint and it's been reported as not a serious injury by some. But no one knows for sure yet.

 

[N'wahlins Hope]

If there was anything to be gleaned from that pre-season game - and I'm not even sure this counts - then it was a slight upgrade for the Saints offensive stars - because that limited and obviously suspect evidence suggested their defense isn't going to be able to stop anybody marching down the field again this year, and there might be a ton of shoot-outs.

Do you know the Saints D finished 11th in the league (fourth in pass defense) last year and allowed 4 more yards per game than the Steelers? Now we do need improvement but I hear people like Collinsworth trashing the way our defense played last season and it's a little much.

 

[sib]

If there was anything to be gleaned from that pre-season game - and I'm not even sure this counts - then it was a slight upgrade for the Saints offensive stars - because that limited and obviously suspect evidence suggested their defense isn't going to be able to stop anybody marching down the field again this year, and there might be a ton of shoot-outs.

Do you know the Saints D finished 11th in the league (fourth in pass defense) last year and allowed 4 more yards per game than the Steelers? Now we do need improvement but I hear people like Collinsworth trashing the way our defense played last season and it's a little much.

On NFL Live on ESPN it was said that X-rays didn't show any tear of the knee...and the guy didn't feel any "looseness" in his knee. also apparently the guy was wearing knee braces on both of his knees so it sounds like the Saints dodged a bullet here

 

[saintfool]

The Jammal Brown injury points to another big question mark...who runs the Saints O if Drew Brees goes down? Jamie Martin? Tyler Palko? I don't like the way things are shaping up in NO.

Martin is the nominal back-up. No one - with the exception of Jamie, his family or his agent - is happy that he's our #2. If Brees went down, the Saints would be in a world of hurt. He's a career back-up for a reason. There has been some talk about how impressed Payton has been with Palko. There has been some talk also about the possibility of the Saints signing someone after the last of the training camp cuts.

 

[Penguin]

I'm not going to let this one game cloud my judgement. Pittsburgh approached this game in a much different manner than New Orleans. Also, New Orleans has 5 pre-season games this year, I look at this as almost a scrimmage for them. I'll keep a close eye on Meachem and bump up Roethlisberger a bit, but other than that I'm not taking much from this game.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

The Jammal Brown injury points to another big question mark...who runs the Saints O if Drew Brees goes down? Jamie Martin? Tyler Palko? I don't like the way things are shaping up in NO.

Martin is the nominal back-up. No one - with the exception of Jamie, his family or his agent - is happy that he's our #2. If Brees went down, the Saints would be in a world of hurt. He's a career back-up for a reason. There has been some talk about how impressed Payton has been with Palko. There has been some talk also about the possibility of the Saints signing someone after the last of the training camp cuts.

I am sure Aaron Brooks wore out his welcome in NO but he would make for a better back-up than the guys currently on the Saints roster.

 

[Mister CIA]

The Jammal Brown injury points to another big question mark...who runs the Saints O if Drew Brees goes down? Jamie Martin? Tyler Palko? I don't like the way things are shaping up in NO.

Martin is the nominal back-up. No one - with the exception of Jamie, his family or his agent - is happy that he's our #2. If Brees went down, the Saints would be in a world of hurt. He's a career back-up for a reason. There has been some talk about how impressed Payton has been with Palko. There has been some talk also about the possibility of the Saints signing someone after the last of the training camp cuts.

I am sure Aaron Brooks wore out his welcome in NO but he would make for a better back-up than the guys currently on the Saints roster.

I wonder how Andrew Walter would fit as the #2 QB in New Orleans. Seems like a decent idea.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I'm not going to let this one game cloud my judgement. Pittsburgh approached this game in a much different manner than New Orleans. Also, New Orleans has 5 pre-season games this year, I look at this as almost a scrimmage for them. I'll keep a close eye on Meachem and bump up Roethlisberger a bit, but other than that I'm not taking much from this game.

Especially consider how much some of their top offensive players sat or were otherwise uninvolved. With the extra game, they did indeed seem to be playing more to see what else they had, rather than get their studs reps.I am worried about the QB depth though.But I discount them about the same amount as I raise Craig Davis on my draft board - just not that much.

 

[Statorama]

If there was anything to be gleaned from that pre-season game - and I'm not even sure this counts - then it was a slight upgrade for the Saints offensive stars - because that limited and obviously suspect evidence suggested their defense isn't going to be able to stop anybody marching down the field again this year, and there might be a ton of shoot-outs.

Do you know the Saints D finished 11th in the league (fourth in pass defense) last year and allowed 4 more yards per game than the Steelers? Now we do need improvement but I hear people like Collinsworth trashing the way our defense played last season and it's a little much.

The Saints D is very susceptible to the big play though. They had to be among the league leaders in allowing plays of 50+ yards.

 

[Afro Samurai]

Clearly they will suck.

 

[lawrence phillips]

It was one preseason game and Jamaal Brown has what is being called a bruised knee. I am not moving any of their players down a tick unless the Brown injury proves more serious.

 

[ThePittbully]

Yea I think they should go ahead and hang up the cleats now. Go back to the drawing board, there's always next year.

 

[duaneok66]

Jason David is a short, cover 2 corner trying to play man . . .

Fred Thomas is old and about done . . .

McKenzie is average . . .

get out the butter, its burnt toast time . . .

 

[Routilla]

They will be fine once Deuce gets in there and starts moving the pile. It will open up the passing game.

 

[coachjim]

No, not based off of a preseason game.

The best thing people can do is not base anything connected to their draft on the preseason other than what injuries happen.

 

[guderian]

The Jammal Brown injury points to another big question mark...who runs the Saints O if Drew Brees goes down? Jamie Martin? Tyler Palko? I don't like the way things are shaping up in NO.

If Brees goes down the Saints are done...just like if Manning, Brady, Hasselbeck, etc. go down for their respective teams.

 

[Afro Samurai]

Jason David is a short, cover 2 corner trying to play man . . .Fred Thomas is old and about done . . .McKenzie is average . . .get out the butter, its burnt toast time . . .

You mean like last year when they were 11th overall in total defense?I know they could use some improvement, but you all act if they are terrible or something. They are not spectactular but this is a well-coached, competent defense.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Jason David is a short, cover 2 corner trying to play man . . .Fred Thomas is old and about done . . .McKenzie is average . . .get out the butter, its burnt toast time . . .

Not quite.........we have yet to see what Usama can do. Kaevarshan is pretty damn good in pass coverage.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Bucs are going to win the division again

 

[RabidRabbit]

Initially I was high on about everybody from New Orleans for the season: Brees, Bush, McAllister, Colston. But now after reading about Jamaal Brown being done possibly for the season, how Meacham has alligator arms (good threads about them here btw) and how out-of-sync they looked on Sunday night (while the Steelers looked very sharp so you can't blame it on being the first game) I have to downgrade the whole lot of them right now. Can only hope they improve the rest of preseason.Anybody else doing this yet?

Oh yeah, I drop them all b/c of a bone bruise.

 

[Lord Lucan]

If there was anything to be gleaned from that pre-season game - and I'm not even sure this counts - then it was a slight upgrade for the Saints offensive stars - because that limited and obviously suspect evidence suggested their defense isn't going to be able to stop anybody marching down the field again this year, and there might be a ton of shoot-outs.

Do you know the Saints D finished 11th in the league (fourth in pass defense) last year and allowed 4 more yards per game than the Steelers? Now we do need improvement but I hear people like Collinsworth trashing the way our defense played last season and it's a little much.

You are probably right as you will have seen more Saints games than I did, but every time I saw them they couldn't stop the run and then gave up a huge play or two when their opponents finally went to the air. Their lofty pass defense surely is mostly down to the fact that teams didn't need to pass on them, as their yards per carry conceded was 31st in the league at 4.9. The only defense giving up a worse YPC was the Colts, who ranked 2nd in pass defense. These two sets of stats often have a knock-on effect on each other; for instance, one of the reasons Minnesota ranked last in pass defense is that most teams gave up trying to run on them and as a consequence they had far more passing plays to defend than anyone else.

 

[N'wahlins Hope]

If there was anything to be gleaned from that pre-season game - and I'm not even sure this counts - then it was a slight upgrade for the Saints offensive stars - because that limited and obviously suspect evidence suggested their defense isn't going to be able to stop anybody marching down the field again this year, and there might be a ton of shoot-outs.

Do you know the Saints D finished 11th in the league (fourth in pass defense) last year and allowed 4 more yards per game than the Steelers? Now we do need improvement but I hear people like Collinsworth trashing the way our defense played last season and it's a little much.

You are probably right as you will have seen more Saints games than I did, but every time I saw them they couldn't stop the run and then gave up a huge play or two when their opponents finally went to the air. Their lofty pass defense surely is mostly down to the fact that teams didn't need to pass on them, as their yards per carry conceded was 31st in the league at 4.9. The only defense giving up a worse YPC was the Colts, who ranked 2nd in pass defense. These two sets of stats often have a knock-on effect on each other; for instance, one of the reasons Minnesota ranked last in pass defense is that most teams gave up trying to run on them and as a consequence they had far more passing plays to defend than anyone else.

That and the fact we played Atlanta twice last year knocked up our passing D and lowered our run D stats.

 

[Godsbrother]

To Quote Godsbrother from Here:

... it is only preseason. It doesn't matter if the Patriots go 0-4 or if the 3rd string QB for the Raiders is leading the NFL in passing TDs.

Watch the games to see who might win the training camp battles, who looks washed up, etc. but don't get too carried away. Teams for the most part do not game plan for opponents and starters rarely go beyond the 1st quarter and even less past the 2nd half.

Have fun but don't get too carried away -- it is just preseason!

This should be pinned for the next few weeks.

Preseason actually tells us far more then people think.Last preseason, Jordan was getting 0 looks in the passing game. I mean nothing. People start downgrading his reception numbers, and people were doing lots of it's PRESEASON people. Season comes, Jordan gets no looks in the passing game, his only hope was PPR value, which was now nil.

So they don't game plan, but they run their offense. If McMichael gets 3-4 catches, and SJAX gets 1, we can pretty much say the odds of SJAX getting 80-90 catches are nil. If you don't see any value, don't comment.

Thanks.

You keep siting this one instance where one guy didn't get any looks in preseason and it panned out for the regular season too. I am just wondering exactly what you got got out of the Steelers-Saints preseason game. Should we downgrade Hines Ward (no looks just like Jordan last year) and Drew Brees (only 1/6 for 6 yards) and bump up Steelers RB Carey Davis and Saints QB Jason Fife?I didn't say that you can't learn anything by watching preseason but just don't go overboard. I love to watch to see who wins the position battles. But to downgrade the Saints offensive unit based on one series in the first preseason game??? That is just silly.

 

[NYGus]

Brown's knee injury not as serious as once thought

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